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The Imperial E-1 Tank represents the first MBT produced in Fluffywuffy that was wholly builtand designed for the Empire. What follows are pictures, stats, etc.

First, the tank seen during a testing excercise in the slightly mountanous (but certainly cold) Northern Mountains.
http://www.stewarts.net/zac/mbt.jpg

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Armor: Chobham spaced armor with Electric Reactive Armor and a kevlar layer underneath all of the outside armor for crew protection. A laser-jamming system (used by or being developed by the Chinese) is installed.
It is rated at 700mm versus kinetic energy rounds, and 1,000mm vs. HEAT (+500 due to ERA-which DOES exist). The top hatch does have a sorta "crow's nest" (now shown in pic) that protects the commander.

Engine: As all Imperial land vehicles are, the E-1 is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell allowing more range, power, speed, and fuel effieciency as well as less heat generated (great for night fighting).

Armament: The main gun of the E-1 is the 120 mm L55 Gun-the new cannon to be used on the Leopord II tank in the future. Also, it sports a 7.62mm coaxial gun and a 7.62 mm loaders gun. The E-1's fire control system is the latest-generation digital computer from Wartech Computing of the Empire and is an improved version of that installed in the Imperial version of the M1A2 Abrams tank (which was the 'A3). The main cannon is effective out to 4 km.

Cruising Speed: 75 Kmph (45 mph)

Cross country speed: 45 kmph (28 mph)

Range: 800 km

Crew: 4

Weight: 55 metric tons ( 61.1 tons)

Cost: $5,000,000

I would like comments on this, please. Make them constructive, no:

"it sucks"
"my tank is better"

If you must say it is bad, do so like this:

"The tank is bad because *insert badness here*"
"My tank is better because of *reasons here*"

One other thing: this tank can use the new German DM53 (LKE II) penetrator-that has a range of 5 km, for whatever reason (ask the Germans, not me)

My GT-3 tank is better because (BTW that tank is worse than some rl designs :lol: ):
Much better armament-

152mm electro-thermal cannon, the ETC part means it hits more like a 180mm gun than a 152mm gun.

Gun fired Yastreb-T ATGMs allow engagement of most tanks at ranges of up to 6km. Incidentally the Yastreb-T is fire and forget.

ATGM pods- with regular Yastreb fire and forget ATGMs. Range of 7.5km and penetration of 1500mm. Top attack missile.

45mm autocannon- kills the APC's, IFV's, recce vehicles, etc.

Self protection:

In addition to a laser jammer, the GT-3 features a modernized Shtora jamming system and the ARENA active proteciton system. These are integrated into a system called Cerberus which is fully automatic- is switched on and then the crew does not need to bother with it.

Armor array:

The GT-3 features an outer layer of titanium armor, similar to Montgomery. After that, there is Nonexplosive Reactive Armor (NERA), which is like ERA but less explosive (hence NONexplosive), and less of it is used up when it stops a penetrator. FInally, there is some tungsten to stop APFDS rounds that penetrate the NERA.

Yeah, that should be enough to make you admit yours sucks. I could post about fire control and the autoloader, but Im too lazy.

If youre wondering what GT-3 looks like:
http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/strv2000.jpg

Either:

A. Lower HEAT protection
B. Raise Price
C. Include Heat Penetration after the ERA is destroyed
D. Make Speed slower

As it stands, its too good for its price.

The priceis OK... m1a2 costs $4.5 mil, this is just a bit better than the abrams (doesnt really say much...)

152 mm cannon-very large and it isnt exactly the world standard (120mm or 125mm is). ETC I have heard of, but know nothing about. I have heard its pretty d--- expensive. And that tank must weigh in over 200 tons and must move like a snail unless it gorges itself on fuel.

EDIT: HEAT adjusted. Now says HEAT without ERA

Yes, but it has 1500 HEAT protection. the Abhrams only has around 1000. Either it needs less speed, or around 1000 HEAT protection after ERA is destroyed.

152 mm cannon-very large and it isnt exactly the world standard (120mm or 125mm is). ETC I have heard of, but know nothing about. I have heard its pretty d--- expensive. And that tank must weigh in over 200 tons and must move like a snail unless it gorges itself on fuel.
I have planes that can move a 200 ton tank, but no such luck. NERA is quite light so the tanks weight is mroe in the order of 85 tons.

ETC is expensive, but 152mm ETC gives such overkill that its worth it (in the event I fight someone other than an idiot yelling 'OMFGZ MY ABRAMS ARE TEH SHIT!111') .

Yes, but it has 1500 HEAT protection. the Abhrams only has around 1000. Either it needs less speed, or around 1000 HEAT protection after ERA is destroyed.
The latest M1A2 abrams has 1400mm heat protection...

Let's just assume I add ETC to my tank. I forget the system name, but it is a system which uses a high-powered laser to destroy enemy missle fire (its something Isreali, I believe), lets say I add that too.

How much should the price be upped?

I assume that is with a type of aplique protection, and thats in the heavier protected parts. I remember looking up the armour, to see if a Milan could penetrate it, and it could(a Milan has 1k mm HEAT penetration).

The tank passes to me :P

Btw, Russians often used 152mm cannons in tanks, and they werent KT slow or anything. Now, 152mm ETC... well...

152mm ETC? Heavy. Gas guzzler. Kills anything its pointed at. :D

I doubt a tank could have enough power for the laser. The israelis have the THEL system which is not tank mounted but truck towed, it can kill Scuds quite well.

How much ammo are you going to be able to carry for a 152mm gun and a 45mm autocannon? Can't be much...

You could probably field 2 or 3 Abrams MBTs for the cost of maintaining one of those 85 ton monsters. The supply lines for pushing a whole column of tanks that eat gas like those must do (unless it does move like a slug), doesn't bear thinking about. It'd be a quality tank killer, no problem, but the 2 or 3 M1A2s would seem to be more flexibly deployable.

Or something. I think I know what I'm talking about. ish.

The ST-09 and ST-11 of Soviet Bloc is better but it isn't bad I have to say. I'd still keep my M1A2s though.

No you are about right, Nimzonia. You can't just go around claiming to have an ETC on your tank, there are many factors. I doubt your 85 ton tank can take 3 m1a2 MBT's pointed at it using HEAT rounds..

In order to increase the effictiveness, should I upgrade the cannon to a larger size?

i would like to buy one

I think it's a pretty good tank for the price.
My only suggestion is that you try and make it more fuel efficient.

Iron Blood, you tank is probably good for nothing but artillery use. It would guzzle gas like crazy, and you would probably be able to carry a max of maybe, 10 cannon rounds and 100 autocannon rounds, which would then increase your weight quite a bit, making it even less fuel efficient.

FluffyWuffy's tank is better because speed kills nowadays, and His cannon is actually practical

FluffyWuffy, the cannon size is fine how it is.

And i was wondering if i could purchase some to get rid of my old T-90s

I think before I release for saleit I will bump up the range by .5 km on the cannon.

There. The tank, as seen above, is now for sale at the above cost.

If you're going to modify it anyway, Try to put in a bigger fuel tank, or make it more fuel efficient as well.

I did. I did it earlier, I believe.

Awesome, I'll take 20,000 for

$100,000,000,000


Well, Now I've got to find someone to buy my old T-90s, thanks for building a tank that finally fits the needs the Chochezken Elite.

I, Emperor Jake of Cassopia, will take five-hundred thousand.

500,000 is to extreme-I will not attempt to do that.

20,000 is reasonable-just let me make sure you afford it...yes, Chochezko, you can. They will be completed in five years. We thank you for choosing us for your tank needs.

I thank you for letting us purchase these tanks, and we hope we can have a prosperous trade lfe in the future.

As do we.

Things go bump in the night.....

BUMP

It is definitely a very nice tank. I would like to commend you on your realism. I hate how every little nation over a month old is throwing around 160 mm ETC cannons and the such. Your design is really down to earth, and yet has very complicated and advanced systems. I tried to do a similar thing with my C1 Ariete Mk3...

Good Job.

Thank you!

How much ammo are you going to be able to carry for a 152mm gun and a 45mm autocannon? Can't be much...

You could probably field 2 or 3 Abrams MBTs for the cost of maintaining one of those 85 ton monsters. The supply lines for pushing a whole column of tanks that eat gas like those must do (unless it does move like a slug), doesn't bear thinking about. It'd be a quality tank killer, no problem, but the 2 or 3 M1A2s would seem to be more flexibly deployable.

Or something. I think I know what I'm talking about. ish.
It carries 40 rounds of 152mm ammo, and several hundred for the 45mm autocannon. Its quite big. Not good for urban combat. Very good for mass tank battles in some desert or the Bisonic steppes.

I "only" have 4500 of them equipping my best tank brigades, but while you could field 2 or 3 abrams- the GT-3 could simultaneously fire off 3 fire and forget ATGMs from one of its ATGM pods and kill all 3 abrams in a matter of seconds (Abrams have no jammers or active defenses against missiles). The supply lines do have a tendency to be stretched, but its main role is to repel any invasion which finds its way to my shores. Occasionally they may be deployed to a foreign country, in which case I could have my An-225's fly in the necessary fuel. Although, for foreign adventures, I prefer the lighter GT-1 and GT-2 (or GT-5 airborne tank).

Note that this is no Abrams, and that this does have a laser jammer and, because of its low heat engine, would be a hard target for heat seaking missles.

Note that this is no Abrams, and that this does have a laser jammer and, because of its low heat engine, would be a hard target for heat seaking missles.
The missiles are guided by millimeter band radar. Your tank is still vulnerable to them.

It carries 40 rounds of 152mm ammo, and several hundred for the 45mm autocannon. Its quite big. Not good for urban combat. Very good for mass tank battles in some desert or the Bisonic steppes.

In that case I think 85 tons is an underestimate of its weight. It would seem to be useless as a tank, and worthless for blitzkreig tactics, which is one of the main uses of tanks - the supply lines would be unmanageable. As an artillery piece, tank destroyer, or basically, an armoured gun emplacement, it seems to work, but if it's only effective against other tanks, in a wide open desert environment, then it isn't a very efficient tank, considering what you could do with the 3 M1A2s that you could have in its place. Or maybe even four M1A2s, considering all the crazy expensive systems you seem to be loading into it.

You'd have to have excessive amounts of funding lying around, to invest in the development, production, and supplying of such a ridiculously overpowered tank, that only works in a select few scenarios.

I got 40 152mm rounds from the Soviet KV-2 tank of world war 2, whicbh had 40 (or 36... forgot exact number). And yes it had a 152mm gun. And yes it had a turret!

Yeah, its not very good for blitzkrieg. But it sure as hell is good at stopping an enemy blitzkrieg!

Yeah, its not very good for blitzkrieg. But it sure as hell is good at stopping an enemy blitzkrieg!

Except that it makes a nice big ugly target for strike aircraft and artillery. You might as well remove the armour and the autocannon, and just use it as a mobile howitzer, since that's basically what it is. I suspect it would also be somewhat vulnerable to infantry, with a large target profile and low maneouverability. Does it have a machinegun as well as an autocannon?

It has a 12.7mm HMG and a 7.62mm MG. Aircraft dont worry me the least bit, I have over 10,000 SAMs. And it can have the ATGM pods replaced with igla-S SAMs if need be (they can be fired at incoming aircraft). As for artillery- well, it does have a layer of NERA on top :roll:

I use it as an assualt tank- go attack an ernemy position, watch 120mm rounds bounce off of it, kill everyone, then my main mechanized forces move in.

Could you two argue somewhere else? You're scaring my customers away!

Hello there Fluffington (btw my Heavy tank has 2300mm of RHA protection. But thats achieved through new armour techniques... which is why I am here).

I see your tank is lacking in the defence department. I am here to offer you a chance to base your armour off of ours, for a price of course. And a condition. That condition being you cease hostilities with Bison's and I. I am not at liberty to divulge how our armour works because Im positive someone else will swoop down and copy it.

Oh, and what speeds could a 71ton tank achieve with this Hydro engine of yours?

It has a 12.7mm HMG and a 7.62mm MG. Aircraft dont worry me the least bit, I have over 10,000 SAMs. And it can have the ATGM pods replaced with igla-S SAMs if need be (they can be fired at incoming aircraft). As for artillery- well, it does have a layer of NERA on top :roll:

I use it as an assualt tank- go attack an ernemy position, watch 120mm rounds bounce off of it, kill everyone, then my main mechanized forces move in.

Ah. I thought I was arguing with somebody sane. Well, you keep your super tank of doom. Enjoy.

I have already stopped hostilities with you and Bisons-notice the "Emperor Calls for Peace Talks" or something like that thread. And what's the price?

And as for the 71 ton tank engine thing, I think it could possibly make a tank go at 40 or so MPH with a big enough engine (mine is smaller so as to fit more ammo, but it is still nice).

Do you have MSN or AIM, we could hammer out a deal. We might even sell you some of our new Tank rounds. Contact me through PM's with Instant Messenger info.

Lol, as you posted in here I PMed you about my response. Will PM IM stuff to you in a minute