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NARAAVIDIAN CHARISMA ATTACKED

Luftsgerden
19-03-2004, 23:54
We, the Repblic of Luftsgerden have decled war on the Navaarvidian Charisma. We have sent an expeditionary force of 5,000 highly trained marines into this corrupt nation. Any one wishing to help commit forces to this just cause, please do so.

Yours Truly,
the Republic of Luftsgerden
A Few Rich People
20-03-2004, 00:20
Other than your statement of "corrpution" why are you going to war? If no good reason is given what is your justification of stopping the Mikosolf Corperation from turning you into a subsidiary hm?
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 15:58
The reasons are as follows:

1. It IS a corrupt nation and its people are being oppressed.

2. The Sultanate is my friend and I want to tick them off.

AND

3. This nation is very rich and anyone who helps will share in the spoils of war.
Happy Dancing Bunnies
20-03-2004, 16:01
*Sends 2,000,000 million troops to invade the mean dictator country place*
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:02
Thank you
British Communists
20-03-2004, 16:04
If he is "very rich" he's likely to be "very big" Meaning he'll be ablew to fund and fight a massive war effort :wink:
Central Facehuggeria
20-03-2004, 16:04
OOC: Think up some better reasons. Say you have [falsified] evidence that Navaarvidian Charisma is performing heinous acts.
20-03-2004, 16:05
Sending 10000 troops over im a big nation two :wink:
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:07
Not if the force takes his industrial facilities
which, by the way, just incresed to 100,000 soldiers from Luftsgerden
Muktar
20-03-2004, 16:10
OOC: Think up some better reasons. Say you have [falsified] evidence that Navaarvidian Charisma is performing heinous acts.

OOC: Say he has WMDs!

IC: Muktar has mercenaries available to both sides. There are Askari (guerillas), Zhalfirin (field combat), Dauthi (melee combat), Soldevi(infiltration/spies), Krosa (aerospace), Visira (ground/naval), and Catera (assassins) mercenaries. The prices are quiet reasonable.
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:10
To Facehuggeria:

The Charisma government does not care about its people and the people WILL welcome their liberation.
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:12
to Muktar:

Luftsgerden would appreciate some guerillas and airpower. We have a very strong economy. what do you charge? do you accept rubles?
Muktar
20-03-2004, 16:15
The Askari are 275 USD monthly, and the Krosans are 525 USD monthly. If you can't pay up front, the interest rate is 3% weekly.
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:17
how much would that be in Luftsgerden rubles? Could I offer you some of the companies/industries that we take by force instead?
Muktar
20-03-2004, 16:20
You tell me, it's your currency.

OOC: USD= United States Dollar.
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:25
the USD trades at 1.50 to the Luftsgerden ruble. Consider yourself hired.
Muktar
20-03-2004, 16:27
So how many of who are you hiring?
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:30
I will take 100 of the Krosans and 300 of the Askari
Luftsgerden
20-03-2004, 16:34
The Luftsgerden forces have taken the chief seaport of the Navaardian Charisma and are advancing on the capital with only light resistance. Much of the enemy forces have surrendered. If the Navaardian Government wishes to surrender, post it here and our forces will leave, only slightly ruining your country. Otherwise, the final assault on the Sultan's Palace begins at 1900 hours EST tomorrow.
Navaardian Charisma
21-03-2004, 06:02
one main point forgotten. navaardian charisma has no sultans palace. he lives in a cave in the mountains contemplating his big toe. he has no power. so please find him and shoot him.

General Yshadada has taken power and created a magic barrier (hey anything goes buddy) around our underwater congress building soon to be the parrot fish nest (Think the eagle's nest). it repells all non negotiating forces and will be finished by 2300 hours GMT . ha.

3000 u-boats have been placed in defense of our congress building. watch out.

if you will recognize General Yshadada as the man in charge we will consider a truce. you dirty warmonger.

happy trails
Luftsgerden
21-03-2004, 19:06
Dear Allies,

I am Pleased to announce that the "Sultan" of the Navaardian charisma has been captured. Under the cover of darkness, allied forces pulled up to the cave, known as "the Sultan's Palace" by locals, in DAM-1 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132677/)
strike vehicles and captured the Sultan without a fight. Inside the cave was found :

100,000 USD

Pictures of the Sultan's Toe and

Large quantities of weed.

The Republic of Luftsgerden Recognizes General Yshadada as the Legitimate leader of the Navaardian Charisma, although we believe this magic barrier as figments of a hallucinating mind and the u-boats only pieces of metal that reflect sonar. We believe that, though the war is over, the rebuliding oand occupation of the Navaardian Charisma may take a long time before a transitional government canbe established. Any Nations wishing to aid in the rebuilding effort will not be forgotten when they are in need.

Yours truly,
The President Of
Luftsgerden
Rodriquezland
23-03-2004, 05:13
To: Lufstgerden

You invaded for a reason not good enough for the Rodriquezlandian people, we have decided to step in and give this country it's leader back.

Six hundred and fifty thousand troops will be prepared and another six hundred thousand will be put on alert. A whole navy armada has been sent to border your nation and we will not hesitate to take YOUR leader. Twenty two battleships, thirty six aircraft carriers and fifty six submarines will be send close enough to send missisles to all your major citites.

The Fuhrer, Andrew Phillip Rodriquez
The United Puerto Rican Reich of Rodriquezland
Iuthia
23-03-2004, 05:40
Iuthia condemns the war against Navaardian Charisma as a blatant breach in their soveriegn status...

As such we will place heavy tax tarrifs on all goods that may be imported from Luftsgerden and a we will enforce an arms trade embargo in our nation, banning weapons trade with Luftsgerden for their unwarrented agression.

Thanks,

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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Luftsgerden
24-03-2004, 01:27
To both Iuthia and Rodriguezland:

We, the Luftsgerden people, have mobilized our entire nation. We are NOT to be trifled with. We are continueing peacekeeping opertions in the Navaardian Charisma. We belong to the Thousand Islands Treaty Organization and will be petitoning for their support on the hour. We willl not surrender. We will fight from house to house. From town to town. Your casualities will be monumental. 60% of our population has had military training and most own guns. We have a large reserve. DO NOT INVADE!!!!!
Luftsgerden
24-03-2004, 01:31
To both Iuthia and Rodriguezland:

We, the Luftsgerden people, have mobilized our entire nation. We are NOT to be trifled with. We are continueing peacekeeping opertions in the Navaardian Charisma. We belong to the Thousand Islands Treaty Organization and will be petitoning for their support on the hour. We willl not surrender. We will fight from house to house. From town to town. Your casualities will be monumental. 60% of our population has had military training and most own guns. We have a large reserve. DO NOT INVADE!!!!!
Luftsgerden
24-03-2004, 01:31
To both Iuthia and Rodriguezland:

We, the Luftsgerden people, have mobilized our entire nation. We are NOT to be trifled with. We are continueing peacekeeping opertions in the Navaardian Charisma. We belong to the Thousand Islands Treaty Organization and will be petitoning for their support on the hour. We willl not surrender. We will fight from house to house. From town to town. Your casualities will be monumental. 60% of our population has had military training and most own guns. We have a large reserve. DO NOT INVADE!!!!!
Iuthia
24-03-2004, 04:00
Iuthia is not interested in invading you... but it's clear your nation has no interest in being peaceful with others. As such we will place a full trade Embargo on your nation for your warmongering and agression towards soveriegn nations.


Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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[code:1:708b35d43d]>>Adding "Luftsgerden" to black list......

>>Data Transfer complete.

>>Ceasing all trade with "Luftsgerden".......

>>Estimated losses in Iuthian revenue: $00.00 (USD)

>>Electronic Transfers blocked, mailmerge sent to Iuthian business owners...[/code:1:708b35d43d]

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OOC: You are aware that mobilising 60% of your nation will cripple your economy and make your people starve as no-one is working on the fields for food and no one will be working on a real job... how about you read the FAQ's on the top of the forum...

Of course, I never said I would invade.
Luftsgerden
25-03-2004, 02:54
To Iuthia:

Seeing how we do not trade with you any how, it doesn't matter.

To Rodriguezland:

Due to a lessened threat, 50% of reserves have been sent back to work. Our economy HAS NOT been crippled and we still are very formidable. DO NOT INVADE!!!!!!
27-03-2004, 04:24
as Luftsgerden's ally in GDI, we were going to send 250,00 troops as support, but in light of Rodriquezland's involvement, we send 500,000 and we will notify our allies to plan a massive counter strike if you do not back off.
27-03-2004, 04:24
as Luftsgerden's ally in GDI, we were going to send 250,00 troops as support, but in light of Rodriquezland's involvement, we send 500,000 and we will notify our allies to plan a massive counter strike if you do not back off.
Iuthia
27-03-2004, 04:39
Well, as I have already pointed out I haven't threatened any nation with war as I am not a warmonger like your ally is.

However, I have placed trade embargoes on his nation and I will be talking to Hogsweat and allies to ask them why they keep such violent nations in their alliance... it should prove interesting.

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28-03-2004, 04:34
That's too bad. Oh well, Luftsgerden, I tried to protect, but they won't send aid, so neither will I. I recall my forces, good luck.
Tiborita
28-03-2004, 05:44
Luftsgerden, The Republic of Tiborita finds your actions deplorable. I am a GDI member, and I must remind you that your application is on probation. I will alert War_in_heaven of your actions, and I am sure the way you act, now, will greatly influence his final verdict.

Furthermore, Iuthia recieves, and deserves, a tremendous amount of respect from the international community. You would be wise to listen to him.
28-03-2004, 15:09
OOC: Why are there so many Warmongerers? Oh well, thats why i joined the GDI i suppose, to get into wars...
IC: Message sent to all Parties involved:

The GDI will not allow a thing as stupid as this to go on, if all troops are not withdrawn within 48hours, or arent on their way out in 24 hours then War in Heaven will send in several task forces, including several Super carriers, and if we feel the need, some ICBM launching Submarines. Therfore, so this does not happen, we call a peace fire to be placed immediatly, before more lives are wasted worthlessly.

Message to Muktar: Please do NOT send your troops in, they will be attacked by our troops as enemies if not withdrawn immediatly.

Message to GDI members involved in the first part(the military action): We already had you in probation, And now you have gone one step to many, we were aleted to this by a trustworthy member of the alliance, of which i am Co-leader of, and so it is well within my powers to expell you eternaly from the GDI. As from now, you will be counted as Dangerous nations, and you will be watched carefully.

OOC: Iuthia, dont contact Hogsweat, hes got quite a bit on his hands!(nuking oneself is not to healthy a thing to do :D )

I will send in around 1million well trained troops if you step out of line(or more if needed) but i think you will not be so stupid as to do so, oh for the good old days when i had a great RP(with Buckaro, haha, i think i may have a new war coming, civil this time through!)
29-03-2004, 00:25
ive already got 250 sniper troops on there way
Luftsgerden
29-03-2004, 02:34
Wow... that sucks. Anyway, our troops are on the way out, mostly. But the Armed Republic of Luftsgerden is still staying to protect the citizens of this country. We have pulled out 90,000 troops, leaving in place 30,000. Oh, and we sent in another 20,000 MPs and crack police into the country to maintain law and order while a transitional government is built. In attacking me you will create a haven for terrorists in the Navaardian Charisma AND Luftsgerden.

The President of Luftsgerden
29-03-2004, 03:15
If you need something, please let me know. My Empire was born today but I would be glad if you let me help you.

Your faithfully,

The Emperator of Frederickland
29-03-2004, 16:25
OOC: You people are pretty stupid! And since when was Navaardian Charisma already taken over, its not is it? Anyway, both nations are to come under attack now, by quite a few people, my allies included in with the GDI! Lets move out!
IC:
" Sir, they have ignored our mesages, i think we should carry out plan Command sir, what do you think? "

" Yes, thats a good idea, operation Com Garden is on! You know what to do! Ill alert the President, i hope this isnt a bad time for such a thing, Hogsweat looks to be in bad shape..."
The Inter-Force Marshal Carried on with his orders, and contacted the president, they had go Ahead!

Not much later, on the main Ambhibious attack fleet:

" Sir! We have permission to go ahead Operation Com Garden, the fleet is ready to move in sir now. "

" Battle Stations men! Come on, Come on, get a move on! We dont have any time to waste! Get onto the Carrier commodore, i want those planes away by 30 minutes, and thase one to be completed in 2hours max, now move it! "

" Yes sir! "

On the super carrier WiS Wanderer, the message had come through, the planes roared into action, and the fighters where quickly all away, they had been on standby for some time now. Following them where an Armada of bombers, spy planes, transports and helicopters, as well as the usual Ground attack planes and Command planes.

In the F-35 of Sqn leader Jack Bonjour was already in the air carrying out the normal CAPs in the airm above the fleet.
OOC: Ill post more when i get the time, i may have a nuke to fire at you, probably not, but be warned, maybe RP it?
Shermanica
29-03-2004, 20:11
The Allied States of Shermanica has just disembarked a 160,000-man (two full army corps) occupational/peacekeeping army of GIs, military police, and medical personnel at Naavardian Charisma's capital city. The Shermanic protectorates of North and West Shermanica are also sending 500 MPs and medical personnel each. An assault on Shermanic, Luftsgerdenian, or any other Coalition forces will be seen as an assault on the nations of the Coalition themselves; aggression will NOT be tolerated, and will be dealt with swiftly and harshly.



An additional three army corps (240,000 men) are being shipped to Luftsgerden to deter any of her enemies from attacking in this time of crisis. Again, to all enemies of Luftsgerden: if you invade our ally, your destruction will be swift. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

-James Vladimir Sanchez
President of Shermanica
Iuthia
29-03-2004, 20:34
OOC: Hm... thats alot of men Shermanica, are you using your entire army or do you have some stupidly expensive armed forces which are likely to bankrupt your nation?

I also notice you are able to move 200'000 troops within days, despite the fact it took America months to achieve the shame feat...

Finally you may want to look at the GDI alliance some time. If they decided to use the same kind of percentages as you are using they will have several million men... bluntly put you and your ally are young nations and probably should wait before they go imperialist on the world in general.
Luftsgerden
30-03-2004, 00:32
"At 1500 zulu, a convoy of Luftsgerden troops, being relieved by some MPs, were heading to Airbase Bravo. Before reaching Airbase Bravo, a group of Navaardian irregulars, armed with AKs, submachiine guns, and grenades attacked and killed 50 soldiers. In the insuing gunfight, 5 irregulars were killed, the last words of the proposed leader were: ' Free the Charisma!!!!'
"After this event, a truck bomb blew up a barracks housing 300 marines. 77 dead, 135 wounded.
" We believe this to be but a drop of rain in the oncoming storm. The Charisma DOES house terrorists. The Armed Republic of Luftsgerden has decided to continue operations. Our pulling out has been called off. We are sending over mor combat ready troops. Our strength will be 200,000 by the end of the day.
"Our home force consists of 500,000 troops. On top, we have 1,000,000 reserve troops. We will not stand invasion."

Presiedential Press Conference
1800 hours EST
Talamoose
30-03-2004, 05:00
Luftsgerden, you've violated a nations sovereignty to plunder its riches. The people of Talamoose will not stand for this. We are with the international community, and demand that you remove all troops from Charisma. We are sending the following to the area:
20 Type-23 Frigates
20 Type-45 Destroyers
20 Astute class submarines
4 CVF Aircraft Carriers
30-03-2004, 23:21
ooc: sorry Luftsgerden, but you can't RP that another nation is attacking you, the other nation must agree that terrorists are indeed attacking you, and second, a war on terror was never your excuse for war.
ic: we will assist Talamoose, by sending 25 destroyers and two aircraft carriers off the coast of Naavardian Coast. If any Luftsgerden vessel comes within thirty miles of the coast, we will intercept it. Turn back Luftsgerden, or face the renewel of war in Naarvidia.
Shermanica
31-03-2004, 18:35
OOC: Hm... thats alot of men Shermanica, are you using your entire army or do you have some stupidly expensive armed forces which are likely to bankrupt your nation?

I also notice you are able to move 200'000 troops within days, despite the fact it took America months to achieve the shame feat...

Finally you may want to look at the GDI alliance some time. If they decided to use the same kind of percentages as you are using they will have several million men... bluntly put you and your ally are young nations and probably should wait before they go imperialist on the world in general.

OOC: OK, this is a GAME. Let's not misconstrue that with REAL LIFE, in which (you are correct here) I would not be able to move so large a force in such a short time. But what I do with my nation and how I do it is really none of your business, so lay off.

(Still OOC:) On a lighter note, I'd like to know more about the GDI (I assume that stands for Global Defense Initiative, like in Command and Conquer). If you can wire me some info about it, I'd be immensely grateful. Thanks. :)
Shermanica
31-03-2004, 18:36
OOC: Hm... thats alot of men Shermanica, are you using your entire army or do you have some stupidly expensive armed forces which are likely to bankrupt your nation?

I also notice you are able to move 200'000 troops within days, despite the fact it took America months to achieve the shame feat...

Finally you may want to look at the GDI alliance some time. If they decided to use the same kind of percentages as you are using they will have several million men... bluntly put you and your ally are young nations and probably should wait before they go imperialist on the world in general.

OOC: OK, this is a GAME. Let's not misconstrue that with REAL LIFE, in which (you are correct here) I would not be able to move so large a force in such a short time. But what I do with my nation and how I do it is really none of your business, so lay off.

(Still OOC:) On a lighter note, I'd like to know more about the GDI (I assume that stands for Global Defense Initiative, like in Command and Conquer). If you can wire me some info about it, I'd be immensely grateful. Thanks. :)
Iuthia
31-03-2004, 19:01
OOC: OK, this is a GAME. Let's not misconstrue that with REAL LIFE, in which (you are correct here) I would not be able to move so large a force in such a short time. But what I do with my nation and how I do it is really none of your business, so lay off.

OOC: Yes, this is a game. However if you want to be unrealistic it allows others to be unrealistic...

For example, whats to stop people from just teleporting their troops around the world? I'll give you the link to the GDI at the end of this post, but if your going to ignore the realistic deployment time of RL then any one else joining in this can do so too... they have alot more forces they can move so it will help them...

But in all truth the best RP's are when everyone makes a interesting story and follows some basic level of reality... it doesn't have to be exact but it should be close.

[Click here for the GDI thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125162&highlight=)]
Tiborita
31-03-2004, 23:59
(OOC) There are several new nations on this thread, so I would like to encourage all of them to read the stickies.

OOC: OK, this is a GAME. Let's not misconstrue that with REAL LIFE, in which (you are correct here) I would not be able to move so large a force in such a short time. But what I do with my nation and how I do it is really none of your business, so lay off.

(OOC) This is a game, and the quality of the game is determined by the collective value of gameplay submitted by all players. It is generally accepted by players to keep to realistic military deployments. For example, if nation X has declared war on nations Y and Z, and has invaded nation Y, nation Z would deploy troops to protect Y from the invasion. But instead of saying '500,000 of Z troops are now in Y to defend it,' it would be more appropriate that nation Z would say it has mobilized an initial defense force of say 15,000 and it is on route by sea to defend Y. Since Z has to spend time doing this, nation X has additional time to carry out his invasion, and perhaps attacking nation Zs convoy. Logistics is a major part of military deployments, and simply saying hundreds of thousands of troops are in one area is ridicules.

Secondly, as Iuthia pointed out, the amount of troops you have is suprising. If you read through the stickies, you will see what it means to have an appropriate sized military for your nation. Nations who do not adhere to realistic numbers are considered 'godmodders.' If a nation is known to be a habitual godmodder, will most likely be ignored by other players, killing your experience of the game.

Lastly, for new players, I think it would be good for you to read through some threads from some more seasoned players. I know it helped me a lot. After all, it will soon get boring to keep making posts like, 'I declare war on X cuz they sux.' (I am also sure there are many more good threads going on now, but with limited time, I can only follow a few.) The first one is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=134760). It is a very tense situation, but instead of just making a post that says 'I'm invading you,' there is provocation, there is tension, and there is an attempt to find a peaceful solution through diplomacy. After all, war is detrimental to nations. The second (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92567) and third (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126716&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) exanples are just good demonstrations of what role-playing can be. By no means do you have to put this amount of work into each of your posts, but it is important to realize that the more imagination and creativity you use, the more fun the game will be.

(Still OOC:) On a lighter note, I'd like to know more about the GDI (I assume that stands for Global Defense Initiative, like in Command and Conquer). If you can wire me some info about it, I'd be immensely grateful. Thanks. :)
While you are welcome to apply to the GDI, you have a short history, and your support of Luftsgerdenian imperialism will have an impact on WiHs decision.


(IC) "Mr. President, we have reports that WiH and, get this, Talamoose, among other nations have deployed forces to Navaardian Charisma."

"Talamoose? Talamoose has showed up for something? Sent their leadership a gift basket of muffins. Make sure that none of them are bannana."

"Very well. I think it's time we deploy a small force to keep an eye on things. I would recommend two carrier battle groups and two submarine squadrons to be deployed to Navaardian Charisma."

"Alright, do it."

(OOC) Seeing how Navaardian Charisma has not replied to this thread in a while, there is a good chance that Luftsgerden is being ignored. He would have good reason to, seeing how Luftsgerden invaded partly for OOC reasons, and godmodded by stating opposing casualties, and land captured.
Luftsgerden
01-04-2004, 01:05
This conflict has gotten out of hand. We simply wanted a regime change. Now we have been threatened with invasion. The Armed Republic of Luftsgerden will consider shipping out, seeing that the objective has been fulfilled. We do believe that terrorists are in country, but we will need every soldier at home if certain nations make good with their threats. Anyone who has aided the Republic or committed troops, please telegram me what you think.
All we ask is that a small contingent can stay and be regarded as a peacekeeping force. This group will help to rebuild the Charisma's military, economy, and protect the General Yshadada.

Signed,
The President of
Luftsgerden
Tiborita
01-04-2004, 01:33
(OOC) You just don't seem to get it. Navaardian Charisma has barely acknowledged your existence. How can you state what part of it you control? How can you say what objective has been fulfilled when the other side has barely replied to you?
Shermanica
01-04-2004, 03:35
(OOC) There are several new nations on this thread, so I would like to encourage all of them to read the stickies.

OOC: OK, this is a GAME. Let's not misconstrue that with REAL LIFE, in which (you are correct here) I would not be able to move so large a force in such a short time. But what I do with my nation and how I do it is really none of your business, so lay off.

(OOC) This is a game, and the quality of the game is determined by the collective value of gameplay submitted by all players. It is generally accepted by players to keep to realistic military deployments. For example, if nation X has declared war on nations Y and Z, and has invaded nation Y, nation Z would deploy troops to protect Y from the invasion. But instead of saying '500,000 of Z troops are now in Y to defend it,' it would be more appropriate that nation Z would say it has mobilized an initial defense force of say 15,000 and it is on route by sea to defend Y. Since Z has to spend time doing this, nation X has additional time to carry out his invasion, and perhaps attacking nation Zs convoy. Logistics is a major part of military deployments, and simply saying hundreds of thousands of troops are in one area is ridicules.

Secondly, as Iuthia pointed out, the amount of troops you have is suprising. If you read through the stickies, you will see what it means to have an appropriate sized military for your nation. Nations who do not adhere to realistic numbers are considered 'godmodders.' If a nation is known to be a habitual godmodder, will most likely be ignored by other players, killing your experience of the game.

Lastly, for new players, I think it would be good for you to read through some threads from some more seasoned players. I know it helped me a lot. After all, it will soon get boring to keep making posts like, 'I declare war on X cuz they sux.' (I am also sure there are many more good threads going on now, but with limited time, I can only follow a few.) The first one is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=134760). It is a very tense situation, but instead of just making a post that says 'I'm invading you,' there is provocation, there is tension, and there is an attempt to find a peaceful solution through diplomacy. After all, war is detrimental to nations. The second (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92567) and third (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126716&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) exanples are just good demonstrations of what role-playing can be. By no means do you have to put this amount of work into each of your posts, but it is important to realize that the more imagination and creativity you use, the more fun the game will be.

(Still OOC:) On a lighter note, I'd like to know more about the GDI (I assume that stands for Global Defense Initiative, like in Command and Conquer). If you can wire me some info about it, I'd be immensely grateful. Thanks. :)
While you are welcome to apply to the GDI, you have a short history, and your support of Luftsgerdenian imperialism will have an impact on WiHs decision.


OOC: Okay, you guys have me there. Good points by both Iuthia and Tiborita. I'm new at this game (not even 2 weeks), and I suppose it shows, huh? :oops: :wink: But seeing as how my troops are still in the Charisma......if I withdraw and apply to join the GDI, will I be accepted? After all, my "intel reports" were flawed (sound familiar? haha), as I did not hear both sides of the issue and was eager to see how to "fight a war" on this site. It was my fault not to ask for further information, but please take into consideration that I am inexperienced.

IC: "President Sanchez?"

"Yes, what is it, Major?"

"We've received new intel on the Naavardian conflict from our agents in the area."

"Have we?"

"Yes. It seems that the Luftsgerdenian government has had a long-standing vendetta against the Charisma, and would stop at nothing to go to war. The Luftsgerdenians then submitted false accusations and half-truths to the global community."

"So what you're telling me is that we went to war against an innocent country in support of a rogue nation......based on false intelligence?"

"That's about the size of it, Mr. President."

"Damn it.....Well, first things first. We need to verify this information. If it's true, we'll withdraw from the Charisma and Luftsgerden immediately, issue a formal apology to the global community and the Naavardians in particular. Then we get some REAL intel on what the hell is going on in the world. I'm personally putting you in charge, Major. It's a big responsibility."

"I know, sir. Thank you, sir."

"Oh...and, Major?"

"Yes, sir?"

"See if you can disperse those damned protestors outside the gates.....I'm getting a headache from listening to them all day."

"I will, Mr. President."
Tiborita
01-04-2004, 07:23
OOC:...if I withdraw and apply to join the GDI, will I be accepted?
(OOC) Well, it is WiHs decision, but I think he'll understand your situation. If you agree with everything here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125162&highlight=), reply to the thread that you want to join. If needed, I'll let WiH know that I think you should be given a chance.
Shermanica
02-04-2004, 00:26
OOC: Thanks very much.
02-04-2004, 02:53
Luftsgerden, I disagree, you should not be allowed to keep troops in Charisma, you already have a record here it's best just leave the nation, and I will pull my ships out, and we can put this behind us. However, if we can get Charisma to post then we can work this out, and maybe you will get an embassy in Charisma, and you can organize a coalition of nations to make routine inspections on Charisma, and make sure it is not an immediate threat to anyone else, which it is not. Unless absolutly necessary, we should not go to war, the fatal flaw in the Charisma Campaign was the lack of diplomacy. Now we are fighting each other for a nation that hasn't even acknowledged that we are even there, so according to RP rules, none of this should have happened. Long story short, get Charisma in here and work something out, or just pull out and forget this even happened.
02-04-2004, 21:36
This conflict has gotten out of hand. We simply wanted a regime change. Now we have been threatened with invasion. The Armed Republic of Luftsgerden will consider shipping out, seeing that the objective has been fulfilled. We do believe that terrorists are in country, but we will need every soldier at home if certain nations make good with their threats. Anyone who has aided the Republic or committed troops, please telegram me what you think.
All we ask is that a small contingent can stay and be regarded as a peacekeeping force. This group will help to rebuild the Charisma's military, economy, and protect the General Yshadada.

Signed,
The President of
Luftsgerden
Luftsgerden, your propasal to keep a contingement of troops in this nation is denied, any effort to try and do so will mean that the threats specified earlier will be carried out, the GDI will not allow such things to happen. We will be investigating the matter of there apparently being terrorists in this nation. Thankyou to the nations who brought this issue to me, and i thankyou all that helped resolve it also.
OOC: Luftsgerden, please dont do such a thing again, i realize i may have "spoilt" your fun, which is what NS is about, but the GDi is here to protect smaller nations, and i think that ill get
Luftsgerden
02-04-2004, 23:49
To all concerned:

The Armed Republic of Luftsgerden, Under threats of war, has decided to pull all troops out of the Navaardian Charisma. We have decided that the world community is right in that this campaign was flawed. We deny charges that we had the Charisma in our sights for a long time, as our "ally" Shermanica has stated. We invaded to kick out a unpopular regime. The Sultan was taken, as asked by the people of the Charisma in their post. We would like to maintain a peacekeeping presence, but that seems to not be allowed by the world community. It ticks us off that our "allies" have decided to go back on their promises of an alliance, but that's called freedom of choice, I guess. That is all.

the President
Luftsgerden
03-04-2004, 00:21
Our troops have begun to ship out. Full evacuation will be in one week. The delay is due to few ships and aircraft. We were able to bring them in quicker because of a build up of a few days and help from the Republic's small fishing fleet. Now they are at sea dong their part in the economy. Also our troops are spread throughout the country, so this could take a while. We are pulling out as quickly as we can.


Minister of Defense