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Due to the ever increasing threat from nations that need not be mentioned (i think everyone pretty much knows who they are), Credonia will once again take defensive measures to strengthen its defense by doubling the current amount of nuclear weapons currently in Credonia. The exact number of warheads Credonia will have is estimated to be above 40,000 but that is an underestimate as the real number is classified at this time. This rapid increase of weapons will take place over the next 4 years (4 rl days). In addition, additional ballistic missile defenses will be put in place all over the Credonian empire to protect from enemy missiles should a rogue nation attempt to perform a sneak attack on Credonia at any time.

Emperor Alexander Nicolas Sutton would like to inform the international community that these weapons are DEFENSIVE. None have EVER been used in a first strike, and would be in violation of NUMEROUS alliance charters that Credonia has signed over the years. (IADF and others). Failure to adhere to these legal and binding charters would result in immediate military action taken by nations of the international community and possibly by members of the alliance that the charter was broken in, and Credonia has no intention of breaking them (it obviously wouldnt be wise).

We respect Credonias right to defend himself, so long as they remain within his borders we will take no action

Erectobia acknowledges Credonia's massive weapon build-up and is concerned by this action, but sends a memo of their concerns and respect toward their soverign rights as long as they remain peaceful to Erectobia.

:shock: thats alot...

"Ridiculous! Why would any nation require such absurd numbers?"
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Ooooooo, he got thing to make BBBBBIIIGGGG BOOM!

its called deterrent

im glad im his ally.

Cousin Eddie supports Credonia in this issue.

*erm*

Lol, there's detterence, and there's having enough weapons to annihilate pretty much everyone.

Do you have 40,000 warheads, or missiles?

*erm*

Lol, there's detterence, and there's having enough weapons to annihilate pretty much everyone.

Do you have 40,000 warheads, or missiles?

The Republic of Ozymandias IV continues to hold grave reservations toward Credonia's apparent policy of unrestricted military buildups at any cost.

We view Emporer Sutton's latest announcement with shock and horror. It was bad enough that Sutton wanted to militarise space with nuclear armaments, but doubling his already massive stockpile of nuclear weapons is simply unconscionable.

We formally protest the Empire of Credonia's actions as being destabilizing and contrary to the interests of peace.

We further remind Emporer Sutton of his late father's efforts to reduce global stockpiles of WMDs and ask him if this latest affront to the world community is proper way to honor his father's memory.

-Umberto IV
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Republic of Ozymandias IV

Kihameria respects this buildup of arms,one nation is free to do what he wants inside his own borders,and space has been militerized for a long time,ever sence the first space-tech nation came to be.

As Prime Minister of the DRTP, I hereby officially respect the right for a nation to hold on to their sovereignty and do what they wish in their borders. However i'm leaning towards Ozymandias IV's position but short of condemning your actions as it is your sovereign right to do your country fit. I just ask you to reconsider your actions as this grave military build up will do no good for the rest of the world and can result in an all new arms race that can destablize this earth that we share.

Prime Minister Alan Ryo Takashi
Democratic Republic Of Terra Pacifica

As Prime Minister of the DRTP, I hereby officially respect the right for a nation to hold on to their sovereignty and do what they wish in their borders. However i'm leaning towards Ozymandias IV's position but short of condemning your actions as it is your sovereign right to do your country fit. I just ask you to reconsider your actions as this grave military build up will do no good for the rest of the world and can result in an all new arms race that can destablize this earth that we share.

Prime Minister Alan Ryo Takashi
Democratic Republic Of Terra Pacifica

Are these masses of missiles capable of traveling into space and then over a distance of 1-28 light years?

Yohanne Schutgart, Prime Minister
Berlinn, Atheos Prime

"I begin my response against Credonia's increase of nuclear weapons complement by repeating a famous quote, 'Yesterday is not our to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or to lose.' Lyndon B. Johnson. Credonia, your increase in your ballistic missile complement will not bring a better tomorrow but will bring in an event of a nuclear holocaust, a swifter death for the human race..."

"I begin my response against Credonia's increase of nuclear weapons complement by repeating a famous quote, 'Yesterday is not our to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or to lose.' Lyndon B. Johnson. Credonia, your increase in your ballistic missile complement will not bring a better tomorrow but will bring in an event of a nuclear holocaust, a swifter death for the human race..."

Stalis walks up to the podium upon hearing about Credonia's weapons build up. He sniff the air a bit before speaking.

"I hear-by condemn the build up of nuclear weapons in Credonia. Not because we don't have the best of relations, but because of recent events in Nilt. The recent nuclear disaster in Delta Star City has prompted me to propose a Nuclear Arms Reduction proposal to the UN. Also, how do we really know that Credonia will be able to stop these weapons from falling into the wrong hands? I do not suggest they support terrorist, but rather, they may not have the man power to protect the nukes. In the past week, there has been a terrorist uprising in Nilt. We have tried to suppress it the best we can and tried to keep it under wraps. My point is, the Nuclear Disater was caused by sabatoge by the terrorist, mainly because we were quick to learn that we did not have the man-power to protect our single bomb, so you can imagine how hard it would be to protect over 40,000 warheads. Once again, I do not support Credonia's descision to build up with nukes."

This morning President Valance of New Manifoldia issued the following statement:

"The right to national defence is sacroscant in the international community. With the rise in terrorist factions and rogue states, ruled by unstable dictatorships, rearmament is the only solution. The theory of Mutually Assured Destruction is tired and tested, and has been proved to prevent any major global nuclear conflict from occuring. It is my opinion that, given the atrocities committed upon Credonian civilians by ruthless aggressors in the recent past, that Credonia's soverign right to defend its borders outways any possible pro-disarmament arguements. The position of the New Manifoldian government towards Credonia is one of support."

Statement from Premier Christopher Jackson
Chairman, Radivostok Socialist Party
United Socialist States of Radivostok
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We do not condemn Credonia's actions in seeking to defend themselves against threats. One need only look at the situation of Credonian citizens being massacred in Aust to understand their intentions of protecting themselves.

However, I raise my concern about this build-up of nuclear weapons. Whilst Radivostok is not against a nuclear deterrent and no declaration against building one has been made by our party, we do believe that there is a point where a deterrent becomes a danger, either through security issues or other means. Would it not be more feasible to increase conventional forces? These are much more mobile in regards to the protection of a nation's sovereignty and virtually guard themselves, what with being armed soldiers and all.

but is the nation of credonia really under the type of threat where doubling her arsenal is necessary?

We are starting to build up anti ICMB missile batteries. how's that?

Though the Kelonian States has no disagreements with Credonia or serious qualms with it's policy, it is concerned as to what sort of threat a nation the size of Credonia is under to justify, when their army and resources is already vast, an increase of this size.

We understand that the increased risk of terrorist attacks means stepping up of military power is a justified response, but Credonia already has an immense military, more than enough to crush even the largest terrorist organization, and this increase could be perceived as an aggressive action by such groups and in fact drive them to further acts of terrorism, rather than acting as a deterrent.

We urge Credonia to remember that increasing military force by such an amount, even as a defensive measure, will probably be seen as an aggressive act by certain rogue nations and therefore may cause more international incidents than it averts.

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Dimitri Onoshin, Minister for Foreign Affairs

As a large nation ourselves we feel that the age of nuclear weapons is coming to an end, as many nations are investing in capable defence systems to defend their country. Whats more, we find that diplomacy can provide more safety then large quanties of nuclear weapons ever could...

So we feel that we must condemn this increase as a step backwards into the cold war era, while many nations are reducing their arsenal. We implore you to concider the dangers of such a stockpile as well as to concider how many do you actually need?

We can only hope you come to your sense and calm down.

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The Socialist Federation of Free Pacific States, though Credonia's ally, is rather shocked, and slightly appalled...and greatly afraid.

Though we do see the strategy and soundness of a policy of nuclear deterant...isn't forty thousand nuclear missiles (two times what the US and China had at the height of the cold war) a bit much? Even 40,000 warheads is a lot! And going to 80,000....

At this point, Credonia's nuclear arsenal alone could send an estimated 15% of the entire world into complete nuclear destruction, and another 50% or so into nuclear winter caused by radiation and the effects of the sun being blocked out through part of the world.

If doubled, Credonia, you would be able to destroy an estimated 30% of the world, and plunge all but say 30 nations into complete nuclear winter.

I see how deterant is a good thing...but is the ability to destroy the entire world a deterant? Not even the US in RL can do that. Hell, many nations in FPS, some more than two times Credonia's size, have only tiny percentages of what he has.

Credonia, if you build these nukes, we will not attempt to stop you. But FPS implores you...begs you...to please, make the world a safer place. Building 40,000 nukes isn't going to do the world any good...only harm. Literally, only harm.

OOC: Russia still has about 86,000 nukes in it's stockpiles. So it's possible what Creddy's doing.

We urge Credonia, even though we don't have ties with him in any way, not to build even more nukes. Please think of the things nukes can do. If you are prepared to build such a vast arsenal which is powerful enough to destroy almost the whole world then your emperor is nothing but a madman willing to do everything to get what he wants. I'm not speaking as the agressor now and not as a diplomat but as a person from the NS planet who knows these ridiculous numbers of nukes is nothing but pure madness.

BUMP

OOC: Russia still has about 86,000 nukes in it's stockpiles. So it's possible what Creddy's doing.

We urge Credonia, even though we don't have ties with him in any way, not to build even more nukes. Please think of the things nukes can do. If you are prepared to build such a vast arsenal which is powerful enough to destroy almost the whole world then your emperor is nothing but a madman willing to do everything to get what he wants. I'm not speaking as the agressor now and not as a diplomat but as a person from the NS planet who knows these ridiculous numbers of nukes is nothing but pure madness.

OCC: That’s, BS during the Height of the Cold war the Russians only had 27,000 Nuclear warheads today estimated around 13,000 , the USA had an estimated 13,000 Warheads during the high of the cold war now estimated today at 9,000. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

The Reason why the Soviets lost the cold war is because to much money went into there Military to have armed forces nearly 2 times the size of the USA, it was unassailable with there population and Economy if it was around the same size as the USA it would easily be done.

Upon discovery of Credonia's announcment, Muktar pours even more funds into the space program, and the military shifts efforts toward missile defense networks.

This greatly concerns the Zwazan government as the impending threat of invasion upon its region has delayed democratic elections. The interim government is overlooking the possibility of a nuclear arms program in response to this.

I, Emperor Jake of the Federation of Cassopia donate four hundred-million dollars to Credonia, as an aid to your cause and wish you luck with futher achievements.

Credonia thanks you for your support and generocity, however, we will not accept the donation. Credonia prides itself on being fiercly independent, and with a national budget of just over $26 trillion dollars, we can very well pay for our nuclear weapons program, which is one of the great Credonian achievements, built and funded on and by Credonian money. We will take your gesture as a sign of friendship and peace. Thank you once more.

As his first action as supreme commander of military forces, and after calls for Credonia not to perform such a vast increase of it's nuclear stockpile went unheeded, General Osmovski has begun a programme to develop missile defence systems for Kelonia's borders. As well as insecurity about Credonia having this amount of missiles, we feel that this will only force other, more warlike nations to up their amount of missiles in response.

Kelonia values it's national security and the safety of it's citizens above all else, and this enhancement of the military is merely a defensive measure.

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Gen. Vasily Osmovski, Supreme Commander of Military Forces
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Guerrillistan views Credonias actions as foolish and dangerous.

Setting of an "arms race" of sorts and the building of space bound missile sites will only bring more tension to the world.

Foolish and dangerous maybe, but until all nations showing aggressive behavior against Credonia BACK OFF, we will continue to proliferate these weapons. Only when they back down will we destroy the weapons and push for the limitations of nuclear arms.

Rest assured, everyone's warnings are not falling upon deaf ears, but we will not stop until the aggressiveness and hostilities end, until then, we will continue with the build up of our strategic nuclear forces. More increases in strategic forces will be released soon as well as a DECLASSIFED Nuclear Posture Review regarding the state of Credonia and its regards for foreign policy incorporating the research, development, and release of nuclear weapons.

His foolishness will be his downfall

If it helps, Muktar just faced a bloody and lengthy social upheavel, so its previous diplomatic stances should be ignored.

OOC: This is where it happened:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132752

Continental democracy has seen this coming for months now, officaly the goverment of conitinental democracy is against any nuclear proliferation in any nation, especially as fool hardy a nation as Credonia.

Credonia, I suggest you redirect your funds to more direct defensive systems. Aust and HP have gotten half of NS coming down on your hide. According to my calculations, the funding that would go toward the nukes would inhibit your defenses so much that you'd be overrun before you could launch.

Such a large stockpile is unheard of. I will only say that and nothing more. However, my nation is to double it's defensive budget because of the threat presented to largest of nations. My small country of less than 40 million (includes colonies and commonealths) is shocked such measures would even be needed.

Personally, I'm unsure as to how you can describe an arsenal of that sheer size as a 'defensive measure'. Your original stockpile was above and beyond a reasonable deterrent for any terrorist nation willing to threaten you, and doubling your capacity can be nothing more than an aggressive, intimidatory act which will only anger more countries and turn more nations against Credonia.

Perhaps Credonia's leaders would consider diplomacy rather than thinly-veiled aggressive acts dressed up as 'defensive measures' as a way to get on in the international community.

ACTUALLY im not worried about Aust. I had inside information that this would happen so i have been secretly creating a coalition to thwart such attacks by Aust and thier so called allies

Credonia: Would you supply us with such missiles as well?

sure, tg me wat you need