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Over the past week, the government of the Republic has launched five (5) platforms into medium-earth-orbit. Each of these orbiting platforms, has the ability to launch 12 ICBMs, both conventional and nuclear capable. It comes complete with EMP shields that lower when a missile is launched, and a targeting system that ensures the missile is 99.87% on target.

This is expected to be an awesome step up on the ability of the Republic to launch strikes quickly, avoiding many anti-missile systems.

Defense Minister Fergerson announced, that "These platforms will act as a deteerent against our enemies, and only under the strictest times will they be used."

http://www.hao.ucar.edu/public/research/svosa/smm/img/smm.delta.launch.160x200.jpg

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ep/images/whatsnew/swasinorbit.jpg

The Empire requests the altitude and orbit of these platforms to make sure they do not stray into our platforms currently in use.

-Grand Master Roac, The Continental Empire of Imperial Forces
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Your just asking for it. The head of SOE rushed into the emperors office "Your highness, space command has picked up the launch of 5 ICBM satellites"
"They have some cheek, you'd think that lot had learned not to launch nukes into space."
"I'll brief the AS unit then?"
"Yes, track those things and make sure that if we attack them we know where they are!"

The Empire requests the altitude and orbit of these platforms to make sure they do not stray into our platforms currently in use.


Here is the pattern our sattalites are following. We will send the file by email. We have done calculations, and our sattalites do not cross paths with any other.

OOC: In other words, I dont know all that much about technical stuff, but rest assured that they dont cross paths :wink:

Your just asking for it. The head of SOE rushed into the emperors office "Your highness, space command has picked up the launch of 5 ICBM satellites"
"They have some cheek, you'd think that lot had learned not to launch nukes into space."
"I'll brief the AS unit then?"
"Yes, track those things and make sure that if we attack them we know where they are!"

OOC: Actually, I dont see any real way for you to destroy them, by missile anyway. The EMP shield would render any incoming missile useless. Although it would probably bump into my platform without detonating, which would create substantial damage. Of course, it would be unwise for you do this diplomatically wise...

The Empire requests the altitude and orbit of these platforms to make sure they do not stray into our platforms currently in use.


Here is the pattern our sattalites are following. We will send the file by email. We have done calculations, and our sattalites do not cross paths with any other.

OOC: In other words, I dont know all that much about technical stuff, but rest assured that they dont cross paths :wink:
OOC:Don't worry, just makimg 5 second R/P 8)

In light of recent relaizations, over the next week, upgrades will be added to the platform to establish a simple anti-missile system onto each platform.

OOC: Actually, I dont see any real way for you to destroy them, by missile anyway. The EMP shield would render any incoming missile useless. Although it would probably bump into my platform without detonating, which would create substantial damage. Of course, it would be unwise for you do this diplomatically wise...

If you read the link on the forcible reduction of nukes in space thread, it does not explode. My satellite killer kills using pure kinetic energy.

I'm still wondering why you're using such an overcomplicated setup, I mean, nuke warheads are complex devices, and fairly heavy to lift. (Esp. using the disintegrating totem-poles method) You could've saved Billions (with a "B") of Dollars for roughly the same punch using good old newtonian physics and nickel-iron...

<ENCODED DIPLOMATIC TELEGRAM>

From: The Decagon (Royal Isochron Department of Defence)
To: Austar Union

Dear Sirs,

Isochronous is currently conducting extensive research into revolutionary and cheaper methods of putting ICBM platforms in space, in conjuction with our GoldenEye systems we have had up and running since 1995. We would like to have you as a partner and look into joint platforms for the greater benefit of the collective defence of AU and Isochronous.

Kindest Regards,

Hon. Michael Pruckner
Minister for Defence

Over the past week, the government of the Republic has launched five (5) platforms into medium-earth-orbit. Each of these orbiting platforms, has the ability to launch 12 ICBMs, both conventional and nuclear capable. It comes complete with EMP shields that lower when a missile is launched, and a targeting system that ensures the missile is 99.87% on target.

This is expected to be an awesome step up on the ability of the Republic to launch strikes quickly, avoiding many anti-missile systems.

Defense Minister Fergerson announced, that "These platforms will act as a deteerent against our enemies, and only under the strictest times will they be used."

http://www.hao.ucar.edu/public/research/svosa/smm/img/smm.delta.launch.160x200.jpg

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ep/images/whatsnew/swasinorbit.jpg



only 99.87%?

(OOC) Orbital platforms are a silly idea that doesn't stand up to the enormous weight of logic, they're like ones on the ground only more expensive and worse!

Axis Nova regrets to inform you that if your platform's orbital trajectories take them over our territory, we shall use them to test our ASATs.

Axis Nova State Department

If any sattelite that we can tell is armed to attack ground or air targets passes over NSAA territory, it will be cut up by space-to-space lasers (ooc: if you dont acknowledge laser tech, I'm in a different era to you, and your sattelites cant come near me).

Over the past week, the government of the Republic has launched five (5) platforms into medium-earth-orbit. Each of these orbiting platforms, has the ability to launch 12 ICBMs, both conventional and nuclear capable. It comes complete with EMP shields that lower when a missile is launched, and a targeting system that ensures the missile is 99.87% on target.

This is expected to be an awesome step up on the ability of the Republic to launch strikes quickly, avoiding many anti-missile systems.

Defense Minister Fergerson announced, that "These platforms will act as a deteerent against our enemies, and only under the strictest times will they be used."

http://www.hao.ucar.edu/public/research/svosa/smm/img/smm.delta.launch.160x200.jpg

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ep/images/whatsnew/swasinorbit.jpg

The Republic of Ozymandias IV continues to express concern at its allies apparent insistence to militarize space with nuclear weapons despite global condemnation of such actions.

We join with the world community in condeming the AU's actions and urge them to reconsider this destabilising action.

Umberto IV
SecInfo
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/ozymandias_iv.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92022)
Republic of Ozymandias IV

OOC: Axis Nova and No_State_At_All, you are both ignored. You cant stop sattelites from passing over your territory. Read the stickies....

Huzen Hagen, I would be very interested in how you can make Kinetic Energy destructive. I researched it last night, and I would disagree that you could take out my sattelites with it alone.

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To: Isochronous
From: Department of Defense

We would be very interested in joint ventures as always with our allies.

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To: Ozymandias IV
From: Austar Union

Your position has been noted, however with all respect, we make our own decisions...

OOC: Everyone, I'll be blunt.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68977&highlight=

Read this.

Shooting down a satellite

It CAN be done. The US Air Force built a few specialized missiles designed to be launched by F-15’s to take out low-flying satellites. This missile is nearly as long as the aircraft that carries it. The ASAT mission (AntiSATellite) requires specially-trained pilots and specially-equipped aircraft. Satellites with little or no maneuvering reserve fuel in low orbits are vulnerable to this attack.

In order to destroy a satellite in a higher orbit, actual launch vehicles must be used. Each ASAT mission requires the same preparations and cost as launching the satellite to begin with. Attacking satellites from the Earth is very difficult and expensive- mostly due to the problems involved with overcoming the Earth’s massive gravity. Think of it as trying to shatter some glass jars sitting on the rim of a very deep well. The only way you can shatter them is by throwing rocks. But you are at the bottom of the well. And the glass jars are zooming around the edge of the well at a high rate of speed.


The case with Credonia was done because of plot... it gave Credonia something to bitch about. In this case you will find that it's actaully quite damn hard to hit a satalite. Whats more you can't defend your space from most satalites because everyone has to pass your space in a natural orbit.

So, I'll give you a reasonable clue about how to avoid being blow up by a F-15 with an ASAT. Have a higher orbit and make sure the satalite has alot of reserve fuel so it an manuever just in case. You don't need EMP fields of uber-tech... just more fuel and some sense.

Read TEO's post... (linked above) it tells your everything you need to know.

OOC: You wish, Austar. If the US Air Force can do it with modern tech, my post-modern nation shouldn't have too much trouble. Of course we wouldn't swat every satellite that passes over our territory, and indeed couldn't.

But slapping down your gigantic ICBM platforms (or otherwise rendering them useless) shouldn't be too difficult. Not like they can be small enough to dodge, after all. Or at least not small enough to dodge quickly. Heck, the satellite doesn't even need to be completely destroyed. Damaging the missiles would be enough, as if their heat shields were damaged, they'd be destroyed or rendered useless on re-entry. A proximity warhead packed with thousands of steel ball bearings would be sufficient.

Had you been smart about this, you could have made a string of posts about launching "communications satellites", each with a single nuclear warhead in a re-entry pod. You don't need that huge ICBM engine in space, since you don't need to push the missile out of the atmosphere. All you have to do is have the satellite near the correct orbital trajectory, blow off the fake comm sat outsides, and send in the re-entry pod. You wouldn't need near as much delta-v to steer something in from orbit as you would to launch it and then bring it back down again under power.

Alternately, you could disguise your nuke launches as an actual satellite launch, having the missile suddenly de-orbit to attack the target. This is called a 'fractional orbital bombardment system' (FOBS), and it's quite difficult to defend against... it's the kind of thing that gave the guys at Colorado Springs grey hair during the Cold War whenever the USSR launched a satellite.

Fair is fair. Since you're being unreasonable, your ICBM sats are hereby ignored, until you learn some physics.

Edit: In response to your question, kinetic energy can be destructive when it's imparted by something striking something else at very high speed. Like, say, a bullet into someone's chest.

Axis Nova

Ditto on axis novas post.
If you want to ignore my laser tech, then fine, but otherwise, yes i can shoot down sattelites, or I could just carpet-bomb you into dust if they fly over me.