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Ze Shwagmeister, a nation within the Chocomaniacal Defense League, is looking to create a military. We of course wish to have land forces, defensive forces, and sea power, but our main focus is superior air power.

Our military advisors have advised (as that is what they do best) a quick-response, precision-oriented force that can move in without being detected, complete its mission, and get the heck out of there before the enemy knows what's happening. Therefore, we are especially interested in stealth bombers and fighters.

Secondly, we are looking for aircraft carriers to get the planes in position, stealthily if possible, and other ships to protect the carriers.

Lastly, we want a solid defensive force that defends from land, sea, and air. Aggressive land forces are of minor interest to us, so unless you have something completely amazing to show us in that category, don't bother.

Please also keep in mind that our budget is limited to 51 billion dollars.

www.geocities.com/doujincorp/lunar.html

Also check out the Aircraft section

OOC: please forgive me for this, I know next to nothing about military stuff.

please explain the following, not necessarily in depth, but so I have a clue as to what they are.
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
Electro-Magnetic Air Launch System
Raytheon RAM missile system

even not knowing the stuff, though, this looks perfect. :D

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Name: Tiger
Mark: T.Mk.1
Manufacturers: Severskian Land Combat Systems, SAI-Land, Harunaan Motor Industri.
Main Armorment: 155mm HV Cannon
Secondary Armorment: 1*15.5mm Coax, 2*15.5mm Heavy MG mounted on turret roof.
Ammo: 45 155mm, 3000 15.5mm
Engine: 1*HMI W-24 diesil, 2,500 bHp
Max Speed: 60 mph
Max Range: 600 miles
Weight: 73 tons.
Armor: Classified
Armor type: Composite/steel
Froding: Amphib. w/ preporation.
Night vision equipment: Driver/gunner/commander (IFR and NV)
NBC protection: yes.

This tank was designed arround its main armorment, a 155mm high velocity cannon. This gun is the most important feature of this tank. 35mm bigger then the M-1A1/A2's cannon, the 155mm fires an extreemly high velocity round, that contains a powerful charge. A charge powerful enough to destroy an Abrams at 7 miles distance.

Cost is 3.5 million USD per unit. Other discounts will be given on a case by case basis. Licenses are avalible.

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The Tiger is vertually identical to the Ocelot externally, with most diffrences being related to the engine and armor composition. The origional name for this tank was Ocelot T.Mk.2, but it was decided to make it a new type.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leopard-05.jpg

The engine in the Tiger is a 24 cylinder W diesel, developing 2,500 bhp. This large reserve of power is used to give the Tiger around the best acceleration of any tank ever. This engine is also highly efficent, giveing the same range as the Ocelot, but with twice the cylinders.

http://military-graphics.net/leopard2.jpg

The armor is where the diffrence between the tank destroyer and MBT is evident. The Tiger's armor package is mostly of light weight composites, with steel in small quanity. The purpose of useing composites is to keep the weight down, while the plastics themselves are over 5 times stronger then the steel that would normally have been used. This also has the advantage over Depleated Uranium of not being radioactive.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leopard-c1_58.jpg

The cannon, which made the Ocelot so desired, is the same. 155mm HV. The diffrence is, this time the shell information has been released. The 155mm HV cannon fires a green round. This green round is a Shaped charge composite round, with 55lbs of explosive contained inside of it. In order to defeat newer types of armor, a small explosive charge is carried on an extention on the front of the projectile. This charge acts to weaken the armor, literally "cracking" the armor, allowing the shaped charge to destroy its target.

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Quanda can supply F-15C Air Superiroty aircraft at the cost of $45 million per unit.
These units are highly capable dogfighteres, and have powerful radar avionics, giving them the ability to detect any enemy aircraft before it itself is detected(Modern-Tech, Non-Stealth)
The F-15C also features look-down capability. This means that it can ignore ground interference that normally disrupts radar ranging. So, if you are reasoonably close, you can detect an aircraft flying at 300 feet, whereas other fighters would be unaware of the danger.
The F-15C, which can flyer higher than the U-2 aircraft, also sports 4 AMRAAM missiles, highly accurate missiles that shoot down fighters at a range of more than 20 miles.

Correction to original message: we have 69 billion to spend, not 51.

Doujin, your DD1-A also looks interesting. If only I knew what any of those weapons were... :oops:

Seversky: very interesting. veeery interesting indeed. I suppose every nation needs a land force. I will order 100 of these amazing tanks. $350 million will be wired upon confirmation. and btw, thanks for explaining the purpose and benefits of each part. that really helps a n00b like myself. ;)

Quanda: how fast and maneuverable are these fighters? what other weapons do they have? what's their range? I need more info.

Greetings and salutations. The Dominion would like to offer you what is fast becoming our own mainline fighter. Manufactured under licence from Northrop/McDonnell-Douglas, and incorporating a number of proprietary modifications incorporated by the Vega Aerospace Consortium, the F-23B Black Widow II is a potent, high-energy dogfighter with enough muscle to get the job done, enough speed to get it done in a hurry, and enough stealth to spare.

The Dominion is able to offer these fighters at such a low price relative to the F-15Cs being offered your nation due to a number of factors, not the least of which being the number being constructed for the DAF. As well, the original builders of this fighter did most of the design work. All we did was tweak it and buy the rights to construct this variant. Finally, VAC is wholly owned by the Dominion Government, and as such, is exempt from taxes. This makes their profit margin higher than it otherwise would be thanks to their decreased operating costs. They then pass the savings along to their clients. Enjoy.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/yf23roll-s.jpg

F-23B Black Widow II
Although it was defeated by the F-22 Raptor in the US Air Force's ATF competition, the Dominion of Kotterdam nonetheless decided that the YF-23 would make an excellent base for their stealth fighter. Cooperating with the Vega Aircraft Consortium, Northrop and McDonell-Douglas, that long-time supplier of the DKAF began work on improving the design. An extra bay for two more Sidewinders was worked into the design, granting it a more potent air-to-air punch. Other than that, the most major change was to the control systems, changing them from fly-by-wire to fly-by-light in a move designed to grant the design marginally better maneuverability.

More agile, and more stealthy, both to radar and to infrared than the F-22, the F-23B also has the advantage of superior range over the former fighter. The improved payload can be augmented even further by the six optional wing hardpoints, three per wing, four out of six being wet. Because of their effect on the Black Widow II's radar signature, they are almost never used on aggressive missions where stealth matters. Only on CAP missions are they used, and even then, only during relatively safe situations.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Stealth All-Weather Multi-Role
Secondary Function: Tactical Strike
Contractor(s): Northrop/McDonnell-Douglas/Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant: 2 Pratt and Whitney YF119 turbofan engines
Length: 67 feet, 5 inches (20.6 meters)
Height: 13 feet, 11 inches (4.3 meters)
Wingspan: 43 feet, 7 inches (13.3 meters)
Speed:
Supercruise - Mach 1.58
With Afterburner - Mach 1.8
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 64,000 pounds (29,029 kilograms)
Range: 800 nautical miles without external tanks or air-to-air refueling.
Armament:
1x M61A2 20mm six-barrel cannon with 500 rounds of ammunition;
1x Internal bay capable of carrying either 4 AIM-120C AMRAAMs, or two AMRAAMs and two JDAMs, or two AMRAAMs and two AGM-88 HARMs, or two AMRAAMs and two AGM-84 Harpoons;
4x AIM-9X Sidewinders
6x External Hardpoints (Four Wet)
Crew: One
Unit Cost: $43.2 million

Very nice stealth fighter, my friend. I believe we could use this in our arsenal. we'll take 100 for starters. 4.32 billion dollars will be wired upon confirmation.

a couple of minor questions:
what is a "wet" hardpoint?
what is a CAP mission?
and what the heck are those missiles? I couldn't tell an AIM from a JDAM if it hit me in the face. :)

www.fas.org for military questions, JDAM is a bomb, the Sidewinder is an air to air missile capable of supersonic speeds, mach 2.5 i believe

Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system

Raytheon RAM missile system

:arrow: Electro-Magnetic Air Launch System
This is for launching planes off the flight deck. Every carrier has an air launch system, forget what the Nimitz has though.

:arrow: AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
It's a system that launches counter-measures to try and confuse incoming torpedos away from the ship

:arrow: 3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
SRBOC (Super Rapid Bloom Off-Board Chaff), it deploys infrared flares and chaff to try and set off incoming missiles before they hit the ship

:arrow: SSDTS torpedo defence system
SSDTS (Surface Ship Torpedo Defence System). The SSDTS is a complex defence system that has four components: a detection- and warning system, a C3I system, 'hard-kill' defences in the form of, for example, anti-torpedo torpedoes, and 'soft-kill' defences made up of decoys, jammers and other countermeasures which help to confuse enemy submarines.

:arrow: Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
This is an electronic-warfare system, it detects hostile radar emissions by two sets of antennae and the system analyses the pulse repetition rate, the scan mode, the scan period, and the frequency. The system identifies the threat and direction, provides a warning signal and interfaces to the ship's countermeasures systems.

little more info on the dd-1. It's designed with two things in mind. one is bombing, if detected on radar it shows up as a bee, albeit a bee that is going Mach 6 and very high in the air, it still shows up as a bee :p Second thing is survailance, it is able to go higher than 90,000 feet in the air.. so

The best tactic with this plane is to zoom in at Mach 6, cut back speeds to around Mach 1.5, lower to an altitude of 60,000 feet, drop your payload, then increase speeds back to Mach 6 -> by time they realize wtf is gone your already back at your launch point

Deal. the tanks should arrive in about half a real life week.

And since i'm in a good mood, i'll drop the price $50 million, makeing it a grand total of $300 million USD for the lot.

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http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen_7-31_fj.jpg
I also sell the spectacular SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter at 7 million USD each.

Information can be found at http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/gripen/ and by going to www.google.com and searching for it.
(sorry, i'm lazy)

wow, now THAT sounds nice, Doujin. I'll take...I guess 1 carrier and 50 of the bombers. thats...10.75 billion human hearts, wired on confirmation.

:arrow: CAP Mission
Combat Air Patrol Mission

Not totally sure what "wet" means though :p

Unless I can trade in those chocolate bars for gold... :P

Invoice::

1 Lunar Class Stealth Aircraft Carrier
5,500,000,000

50 DD-1A Fighter/Bombers
5,250,000,000

Total: 10,750,000,000

:arrow: CAP Mission
Combat Air Patrol Mission

Not totally sure what "wet" means though :p
Wet means it can be fitted with a drop tank.
Also, there's a problem with his DD-1. Its just kinda slightly Future tech.

1 human heart=1 US Dollar. our gov has standardized the value like this to ease currency exchange.

also, could you suggest what ships I should use as an escort for the carrier?

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Your order is confirmed. To answer your question, JDAM stands for Joint Direct Attack Munition. A JDAM is a high-quality GPS-guided precision munition, or bomb. The F-23B carries the 1,000lb variant of this weapon.

The AIM-120 is the AMRAAM, or Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile, a weapon that homes by radar to kill its targets. The AIM-9X is an advanced version of the Sidewinder AAM, or Air-to-Air missile, a heatseeking weapon.

CAP stands for combat air patrol. Basically, this is a mission, usually for a flight of two fighters, in which the aircraft are loaded up with AAMs, and are put on a fixed patrol route. In times of war, the purpose of a CAP mission is to seek and destroy enemy air assets. There is also something called BARCAP, or Barrier Combat Air Patrol. The purpose of a BARCAP is to prevent aircraft from closing on an objective, whether that's an aircraft carrier, or something else. This is accomplished by either warning them off, or shooting them down.

The difference between a "Wet" and a "Dry" hardpoint is that a "Wet" hardpoint can be used to carry external fuel tanks and extend the fighter's range, while a "Dry" hardpoint can not. I would suggest going to this website (www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems). It's the one I use for my research, and has plenty of information on American military hardware.

Seversky, I can give several reasons why my plane isn't future tech

Heres one of them.. -> The engine exists today

My nation is Modern-Near Future.. so 2004-2008 is what I operate under.. nothing I produce will be outside those limits..

Name: F-27A/B Manta Ray (Pas 41B Flashbulb)

Primary Function: low observability tactical fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 2 250 miles
Empty Weight: 21 000lbs (9 525kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 15 000lbs (6 804kg) of external stores including AA-8 Aphid, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 in B model

Notes:
This variant of the Pas 41 design is designed to be multi-role, low observability fighter to replace the F-33 Sniper. The aircraft began entering service with frontline units around 2008-2009. The design was influenced by the F-35 JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.
-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


Name: FV-27C/D Manta Ray (Pas 41 Flashbulb)

Primary Function: V/STOL low observability strike fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 1 600 miles (2 575km)
Empty Weight: 22 000lbs (9 979kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 12 000lbs(5 443kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Conversion In Lieu Of Procurement: $ 8 000 000
Crew: 1, 2 in D model

Notes:
The Pas 41 is a super manuverable, purpose built, low observability V/STOL strike and fighter aircraft designed for use from light carriers in support of marine landings or to provide air support for battleships.

The design was influenced by the F-35B JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.

This design, designated FV-27 Manta Ray in Haaregradian service operates from Fortress class battleships and from Wasp(modified) class amphibious assault carriers.

-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


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Yes they can be fitted with Chinese, American or European weapons in place of the Soviet gear.

there is no such thing as a Chineese weapon.

there is no such thing as a Chineese weapon.

OOC: Wrong. China has developed several IR guided AAMs, as well as several antiship and anti-tank missiles.

Read this http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/weapon.asp and bite your tongue.

ummm china has a arms industry easily as advanced as ours in what counts. There new MBT is essentially an M1 with a superior russian style gun [ can fire 8 AT missiles a minute at 5 km range 77% hit rate due to computer, probably higher in Chinese version as they use our computer technology donated during the clinton administration, and 970mm AP, as well as AA missiles and the infamous russian HEAT rounds, remember western technology has no defense against HEAT in comparison to our russian friends]


not only that but did you know china says its landing a man on mars by 2015 and they CAN ACTUALLY DO it, unlike America and russia which has let its space program slide so badly it will be that long before we go back to the moon. So before you go mocking the nation that is set to completely outstip the entirety of the western world economically, militarily and scientifically, please look up your facts before writing such a statement as "there is no such thing as a chinese weapon" *shakes head*
jeez......and besides the chinese army was using guns 400 years before us, they just stopped 200 years after we got them cause they decided tey were evil despicable weapons that are not to be used.

The Hamptonshire Ministry of Defense in Coordination with the Ministry of Finance and Hamptonshire Defense Corp. has decided to sell a limited number of brand new (surplus) Nuclear Artillery pieces and shells.

The Magistrate:
http://www.vce.com/grable/cannon2.jpg
A test firing of The Magistrate

Magistrate Mk. IIa
280 mm cannon
Range: 15,000 m
Shells: 280 mm gun-type fission warhead shell, yield of 17 kilotons or 280 mm fission-triggered fusion warhead shell, yield of 80 kilotons
Necessary crew: 5
Rate of fire: 1 shell per minute
Cost: $4,500,000

W-3 Shell
280 mm
Weight: 375 kg
Warhead: 280 mm gun-type fission warhead shell, yield of 17 kilotons
Range: up to 20,000 m
Cost: $250,000

WT-2 Shell
Weight: 265 kg
Warhead: 280 mm fission-triggered fusion warhead shell, yield of 80 kilotons
Range: up to 15,000 m
Cost: $500,000

Special Satellite Package:
Increase range of launcher to 20,000 m
25% increase in accuracy
Increase in firing rate to 5 shells per minute
Cost of upgrade: $2,500,000

Currently dozens of Magistrates are marked for sale as well as several hundred W-3 shells and dozens of WT-2 Shells. If demand is great enough, more shells maybe released on the market.


Are you looking for extremely powerful handguns?
The Hamptonian Handgun Company is offering 3 special 50 cal handguns for military and police use:

The Reverend

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The Reverend

Stats:
Caliber: 500 S&W Magnum
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 8-3/8"
Front Sight: Interchangeable Black Blade
Rear Sight: Micrometer Click Adjustable Black Blade
Grip: Hogue Rubber Energy Absorbing
Frame: X-Frame
Finish: Satin Stainless
Overall length: 15"
Material: Stainless Steel
Weight Empty: 72.5 ounces

One of the Most Powerful Production Revolvers in the World Today
Massive 500 S&W Magnum Cartridge 2600 ft/lb. Muzzle Energy
Recoil Tamed with Effective Muzzle Compensator
Hoque Sorbathane Recoil Absorbing Grip
Internal Lock

Gun Cost: $1,200


The Choir Master

http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170231_large.jpg
The Choir Master

Stats:
Caliber: 500 S&W Magnum
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 10-1/2"
Front Sight: Orange Dovetail Ramp
Rear Sight: Adjustable White Outline
Grip: Hogue Dual Density Monogrip
Frame: X-Frame
Finish: Glassbead
Overall length: 18"
Material: Stainless Steel
Weight Empty: 82 ounces

Recoil Compensator for Increased Muzzle Control
Tuned Performance Center Action
Integral Weaver Base for Easy Optics Mounting
Increased Velocity and Energy with 10.5" Barrel
Flash Chromed Hammer and Trigger for Smooth, Crisp Action
Internal Lock
Performance Center Gun Rug and Sling included

Cost: $1,500


The Pastor

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The Pastor

Stats:
Caliber: 500 S&W Magnum
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 4" (3" + 1" Compensator)
Front Sight: Red Ramp
Rear Sight: Micrometer Click Adjustable Black Blade
Grip: Hogue Rubber Energy Absorbing
Trigger: .400" Target
Hammer: .430" Target
Frame: X-Frame
Finish: Satin Stainless
Overall length: 10-1/4"
Material: Stainless Steel
Weight Empty: 56 ounces

One of the Most Powerful Production Revolvers in the World Today
Massive 500 S&W Magnum Cartridge 2600 ft/lb. Muzzle Energy
A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking
Recoil Tamed with Effective Muzzle Compensator
Hoque Sorbathane Recoil Absorbing Grip
Internal Lock
Ultimate Defensive Carry and Dangerous Game Backup Handgun
Easily Removeable Muzzle Compensator for Different Recoil Reduction Effects and to Accomodate Different Types of Ammunition
Comes with 2 Compensators - 1 for Lead Bullet and 1 for Jacketed Bullet Ammunition
Muzzle Energy Capability in Excess of 2000 ft/lb. in a 56 oz. Package

Cost: $1,000


A comparison of ammunition:

http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/500_cal_compare.jpeg
Bullet Farthest on Right is used in These Guns

ummm china has a arms industry easily as advanced as ours in what counts. There new MBT is essentially an M1 with a superior russian style gun [ can fire 8 AT missiles a minute at 5 km range 77% hit rate due to computer, probably higher in Chinese version as they use our computer technology donated during the clinton administration, and 970mm AP, as well as AA missiles and the infamous russian HEAT rounds, remember western technology has no defense against HEAT in comparison to our russian friends]


not only that but did you know china says its landing a man on mars by 2015 and they CAN ACTUALLY DO it, unlike America and russia which has let its space program slide so badly it will be that long before we go back to the moon. So before you go mocking the nation that is set to completely outstip the entirety of the western world economically, militarily and scientifically, please look up your facts before writing such a statement as "there is no such thing as a chinese weapon" *shakes head*
jeez......and besides the chinese army was using guns 400 years before us, they just stopped 200 years after we got them cause they decided tey were evil despicable weapons that are not to be used.

Actually China only used rockets early on. The Turks invented the cannon and the 'hand cannon'.

ummmm no lol. the chinese invented the equivalent of a shotgun by the year 1100, in fact it was one of the things the Mongols brought with them wehn they conquered well turkey and the middle east in the 1300's. So turks didnt invent them at all the mongols stole em and brought em with them lol. plus there are 800 year old paintings of samaurai charging at Chinese cannon during the mongol invasion heh, most people dont know this by the way....because its not something we like to admit. no argument lol just saying its like how we just discovered almost 1000 year old chinese artifacts on vancouver island..... coincidentallly old enough to be from back when they were the worlds top naval power........ ^.^ ooc

well i have a top ranked arms industry, top 2% but its future tech....if your looking for that stuff....i got it lol

ummmm no lol. the chinese invented the equivalent of a shotgun by the year 1100, in fact it was one of the things the Mongols brought with them wehn they conquered well turkey and the middle east in the 1300's. So turks didnt invent them at all the mongols stole em and brought em with them lol. plus there are 800 year old paintings of samaurai charging at Chinese cannon during the mongol invasion heh, most people dont know this by the way....because its not something we like to admit. no argument lol just saying its like how we just discovered almost 1000 year old chinese artifacts on vancouver island..... coincidentallly old enough to be from back when they were the worlds top naval power........ ^.^ ooc

well i have a top ranked arms industry, top 2% but its future tech....if your looking for that stuff....i got it lol

Interesting. You win, because the Turks first used them around 1300. I know about Chinese artifacts being found on Vancouver Island, because junks pwn galleons. I always thought the Koreans were superior to the Chinese naval-wise though. The Vikings were just as good, of course they never would of met. Unless it's in Age of Empires 2.

AoE 2.<3

Ze Shwagmeister, a nation within the Chocomaniacal Defense League, is looking to create a military. We of course wish to have land forces, defensive forces, and sea power, but our main focus is superior air power.

Our military advisors have advised (as that is what they do best) a quick-response, precision-oriented force that can move in without being detected, complete its mission, and get the heck out of there before the enemy knows what's happening. Therefore, we are especially interested in stealth bombers and fighters.

Secondly, we are looking for aircraft carriers to get the planes in position, stealthily if possible, and other ships to protect the carriers.

Lastly, we want a solid defensive force that defends from land, sea, and air. Aggressive land forces are of minor interest to us, so unless you have something completely amazing to show us in that category, don't bother.

Please also keep in mind that our budget is limited to 51 billion dollars.

Weapons don't make for a quality Military-only Training and the ability to maintain your equipment make for a Quality Military.
There's a great quote (but I can't remember the source) that goes something like "I'd rather have Carlos Hathcock with a Blunderbuss than some moron with a Sniper Rifle."
Lots of tanks without the fuelers is lots of vehicles that don't go anywhere.
Lots of Machineguns, but no supply truck means your troops will run out at an inconvenient time.
Big Magazines and high rates of fire don't make up for shoddy training or poor employment.
Jet Fighters without Tankers don't go very far.
Aircraft Carriers without UnderWeigh Replenishment can only go for as far as the supplies on board last-and without escort vessels, they're just bomb magnets.

Manuever forces are logistics intensive structures, you need to focus more on how you get the force there, and how you supply it, than on what that force actually is made of- if you're running expertly trained, well supplied, and effectively led troops armed with bolt-action rifles, you'll Eat a Mechanized unit of poorly trained, badly supplied, poorly employed, but technologically superior enemies.
(The U.S. proved this against both Spain, and Germany-the first in 1898, the second in 1941-45, they experienced it from the other end in 1960-73 in Vietnam).

If you want a "Quality" military, quit focusing on the technology of war, and focus more on the Methods of war.

The Empire of Ganchelkas is able to provide you with the following equipment:

:arrow: Frigate 'Wielingen' Class

Use:
Defence of the merchant navy by escorting convoys and conducting anti-submarine operations.
Self-defense against surface ships.
Self-defense against aircraft.

accessory apparatus:
Air and Surface detection1 combined air and surface surveillance radar, type DA05 from HSA (Hollandse Signaal Apparaten)
1 navigational radar Kelvin Hughes Type 1007
1 fire-control radar WM25 with continuous wave and several ECM (Electronic Counter Counter Measures) devices.
1 system link, automatic reception of tactical information
ESM (Electronic Support Measures): ARGOS 900 (AR900)
Anti-submarine warfare Sonar: 1 panoramic surveillance and tracking sonar AN-SQS 510
Exploitation: by means of the Sensor Weapon en Commando system know as SEWACO 4

armement:
Against surface and air targets : 1 automatic 100 mm canon
Against air targets : 1 SAM (Surface to Air Missile) system with 8 missiles NATO Sea Sparrow
Against surface targets: 4 EXOCET launchers
Weapons 1 rocket launcher 375 mm (6 barrels)
2 torpedolaunchers L5

capacity:
The complement consists of 14 officers, 84 NCO's and 59 sailors, and is divided in 3 departments: Internal Service, Operations and Technical.

crew:
14 officers
84 NCO's
59 sailors

cruising speed:
16 knots

feed:
Electricity: 4 alternateurs 440 V - 500 Kw

fuel capacity:
250 ton

general:
Displacement: 2.200 tons
Draught (including sonardome): 5,50m
Height above the waterline: 25,20m
Potable water: 80 tons
Frigo-rooms: 64 m³
Active stabilizers: 2
Welded hull: 13 watertight doors

length:
106,38 m

maximum speed:
up to 15 knots: 1 diesel
up to 18 knots: 2 diesel
up tol 28 knots: gasturbine

motor:
CODOG = Combined Diesel or Gas Turbine
2 Diesel Cockerill Diesel ENGINES (12 cyl. In V) of 3.000HV each at 1.000 rpm
1 Rolls Royce Olympus T M - 3 B gasturbine of 27.575 HV (Max. 27.000 HV at 5.660 rpm)
2 inverted screws with variable pitch

radius of action:
6.000 miles at economical speed (16 kts)

width:
12,30 m

:arrow: Tripartite Minehunter

Use:
Dedicated to mine countermeasures operations:
Sweeping of anchorage mines
Hunting of bottom anchored mines

Special studies have shown the feasibility to construct the hull entirely of "GRP" (Glass Reinforced Polyester) because mine countermeasure vessels should have low magnetic signature and be shock resistant.
The radio equipments are in accordance with the latest requirements.
The airconditioning and the pressurization system ensure a safe passage through an NBC contaminated area.

accessory apparatus:
Deck equipement:
- 1 electric anchorwindlass
- 1 winch for sweeping
- 1 hydro-electric articulated crane
- 2 mechanic stern davits

armement:
2 Guns .50 for the destruction of floating mines
1 X 20mm for anti-air warfare

crew:
5 Officers
17 CPO and PO
25 sailors

general:
Displacement : 560 ton
Length: 51,50 m
Width: 8,96 m
Depth: 3,60 m
Height above the waterline: 18,50 m
Speed: till 15 knots
Fuel: 63 T
Potable water: 14,5 m3
Frigo Rooms: 9 m3

maximum speed:
15 knots

output power:
1 Diesel alternator DAF 180 kW for cruising
3 Gas turbine alternators 250 kW for minehunting operations
A row of batteries 24V to supply power failure of the primary equipments

propulsion:
A 1370 kW supercharged "Werkspoor RUB 215" V12 diesel drives a 5-blades variable pitch propeller.

2 ACEC active rudders are fitted with fixed pitch propeller, each powered by a 180 kW electrical motor and a exclusively transvers-acting bowpropulsion system "HOLEC" supplements the rudder action during operations.

radius of action:
3000 nautical miles (at 12 knots)

sensors:
Surface detection: radar Decca Type RN 1229
Underwater detection: Sonar DUBM 21 B
Minehunting information: Evec 20
Radio navigation: Toran and Syledis
Doppler log and automatic pilot
Mineidentification and neutralization equipments:
- Mine clearance divers
- Light mechanical sweeping gear
- 2 PAP (poisson autopropulsé) against bottom mines

:arrow: Logistical supportship

Use:
Fishery Protection

Apart from peacetime fishery protection duties, these ships also offer technical and medical assistance to fishermen in distant fishing grounds.

Support and Supply ship for minesweepers.

By offering assistance in the administrative, technical and supply field, these ships augment the operational effectiveness of the supported task-force. With this support manoeuvrability and efficiency are increased.

Command ship for Mine Counter Measure operations.

These ships has the necessary equipment, in particular in the field of communications, to lead and co-ordinate MCM operations.

armement:
2 x 40mm guns

crew:
8 officers
29 NCO's
55 sailors and +/- 40 cadets

general:
Displacement: 2.500 tons
Draught: 3,50 m

length:
91,30 m

motor:
4 fastrunning dieselengines 1350HP each

radius of action:
6.000 miles at economical speed (15 kts)

speed:
18 knots

width:
14 m

:arrow: Oceanografical research vessel

Use:
The users of this ship are all universities, several ministries and institutes of the State or regions involved with the surveillance of the quality of the seawater and scientific research at sea. This covers all activities and studies regarding the marine eco-system, geological and ecofysical research, as well as everything regarding fishery. By the ever increasing participation of scientists in international projects an ever growing number of foreign scientists are embarked for specific campaigns.
Through it's well equipped infrastructure it can conduct research in the following fields :


physical and hydrodynamic oceanography

chemical and/or biological oceanography

geologic and geophysic research

fishery protection

crew:
15 military
15 scientists

feed:
- 2 dieselpropelled alternators of 275 KW - 325 KVA, 440 V, 60 Hz
- 1 dieselpropelled group of 100 KW - 125 KVA, 440 V, 60 Hz
- 1 "no-break" static transformer and regulator 220V - 15 KVA, 50 Hz

fuel capacity:
165 m3

general:
Displacement: 1200 ton
Draught: 4,60 m
Potable water: 100 m3

length:
51,12 m

load capacity:
This vessel is equipped with 5 specific laboratories:
- Lab for fishery : equipped to sort and ditect fish
- Lab for microbiology : with air-purificationcloset, 2 breedingovens and a furnace.
- Lab for chemistry : with, amongst others, an automatic chain for the analyses of nutrients
- Biological lab
- General lab which serves to collect and distribute samples.

The layout of the scientific labs as well as of the bridge allows several teams to install their equipment is such a manner that this vessel can quickly be transformed into a specialized floating scientific laboratory.
This vessel is also equipped with a computer network to correlate oceanographical data (ODAS). This is a data processing system which stores all kinds of information, such as position, heading, speed seawatertemperature, salinity, etc... It can also reproduce in real-time this data in the form of lists, graphs or charts.

propulsion:
- 1 ABC dieselengine of 1150 KW (or 1570 HP) as main propulsion
- 1 electrical engine of 82 KW as auxiliary propulsion
- 1 bow and 1 stern screw, hydraulically driven, 150 KW each
- 1 screw variable pitch

speed:
12 knots

width:
10,00 m

:arrow: AGUSTA A-109

Use:
Personnel transport, antitank combat, observation

accessory apparatus:
Antitank version:
4 launchers with 2 HELITOW 2A missiles each

autonomy:
- antitank version : ± 1 h 50 min
- liaisson version : ± 2 h 30 min

capacity:
2+6 persons

fuel capacity:
580 l

length:
11,570 m

maximum speed:
282 km/u

motor:
ALLISON 2

radius of action:
± 400 km

rotor diameter:
- main: 11 m
- rear: 2 m

weight:
- antitank version : ± 2.100
- liaison version : ± 2.000 kg

:arrow: PANDUR

Use:
armoured vehicle for transportation of troops (max 10 persons)

armement:
MAG 7,62 mm

autonomy:
600 km

consumption:
46 l / 100 km

height:
2,64 m

length:
5,81 m

maximum speed:
95 km/u

motor:
STEYR Diesel (Max 260 pk)

performances:
- wall : 0,4 m
- ford : 1,4 m
- incline: 70%
- side-incline: 45%

weight:
13.500 kg

Please contact us if you're interested in purchasing something.

General Ryan Ericksön
Commanding Officer of the Ganchelkean Arms Industries

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to this, unavoidable circumstances. Anyways, to catch up:

Soviet Haaregard: Your planes look like just the things. We'll take 100 F27 A/Bs and 50 F27 C/Ds. $6.3 billion will be wired upon confirmation.

Hamtonshire: While I had not thought of nuclear artillery, it seems like a worthwhile purchase. I'll take 5 of your Magistrates, along with 100 of the W-3 shells and 50 of teh W-2 shells, plus the satellite package. $50 million will be wired upon confirmation.

Ganchellkas: I'm very interested in your ships. however, you seem to have forgotten to put in the prices. ;)

BUMP

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A very nice selection, Colerica. We would like to purchase the rights to your CAS K74N2 Light Machine Gun and the CAS GP8B General Purpose Heavy Machine Gun, plus 40 of your CAS TC-10 Main Battle Tanks, and 20 CAS UAAV-03A1 Rages.

$322.5 million will be wired upon confirmation.

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Soviet Haaregard: Your planes look like just the things. We'll take 100 F27 A/Bs and 50 F27 C/Ds. $6.3 billion will be wired upon confirmation.

Confirmed and en route.

OOC:
I'm guessing you mean FV-27C/D, the F-27C and D models are still only being planned out. :P

Anyways, the breakdown will be

80 F-27A
20 F-27B

40 FV-27A
10 FV-27B

The B and D models are the two-seat combat capable trainers for the aircraft.

That'll work. ;)

Ok, I have enough planes. What I need now are:
Aircraft Carriers
Escort ships (for carriers)
subs
and defensive weaponry.

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v13/Draconis/kac_banner.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62566)

Please feel free to visit the Kelanthian Arms Conglomerate for superior weapons -- planes, ships, helicopters, tanks, and more -- at competetive, realistic prices. Please post any orders in that thread or contact Kelanthia directly via telegram.

Check out http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132472&highlight=.

Check out our nifty packages!

Kelanthia: I like several of your items. I would like to purchase:

50 MLRS's for a total of $0.4 billion
50 KH-3 Phantoms for $1.4 billion
50 KH-4 Raptors for $0.8 billion
20 KH-12 Hermes for $0.38 billion
50 KAC-3 Cyclones for $2.5 bilion
10 KAC-4 Peregrines for $8.5 billion
10 KAC-9 Farsights for 2.5 billion
10 Stingray-class destroyers for $6 billion
10 Orca-Class submarines for $8.9 billion

$31.38 billion will be wired on confirmation.

and I think thats all for my air-power. I'm focusing now on naval power (as stated, carriers and escorts) and defensive power.

also, early warning systems, advanced detection, and so forth are also on my agenda.

OOC: Effing hell, I typed up a pretty little response and the forums ate it... sorry if this one isn't as good. Also, this is Kelanthia, but I don't feel like logging out and logging back in, so this will just have to do... use your imagination. :wink:

IC:
KAC welcomes Ze Shwagmeister's order and will begin shipments immediately. Expect the order to arrive in it's entirety in 3-4 days RL. Thank you for your business, and we hope to hear from you again if you are ever in need of quality military vehicles.

:)