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Credonia has stated that "i don't take the killing of civilians easily" though he has killed thousands. What follows is evidence of Credonias lack of restraint or thought and his inability to abide to rules of war.

During the invasion of The HLF: (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121087)
Credonia used EMP weapons while there were civilian airliners still airborne, 210 dead including 93 school children

Took out a water treatment plant meaning no clean drinking water for a 30 mile radius

thousands of civilains killed by bombing runs

invaded over 50 billion dollars that the HLF had scammed of a foolish nation- all this bloodshed over nothing

In the ongoing war with Holy Panooly: (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130149&highlight=)
Fired nerve gas at HP with prior agreeement not to use it. 500/600 and counting civilian deaths

Ordered Bombing of Huzeny Capital (not military instalations) for no reason

Ordered attempted assasination of Huzen Hagen Emperor again without reason



OOC:more to come im re-reading the thread, all who have been victim to Credonias Imperialism post any evidence you can find

Please will you put links to the appropriate threads.

Plus, if you want someone to be tried for war crimes you have to get hold of the leader first, then form a jury to put him before. This will probably be easier said then done...

Credonia is just as guilty as the "terrorist" states. I mean look at what he has done against unprotected civillian targets. He even fired at a HP hospital.

This is getting sick. Credonia is a hypocrite. Measures should be taken to limit its power in world conflicts. I say we petition the U.N. to place restrictions on Credonia.

Now you understand why most people are against credonia.

Hm... I've seen much worse commited by many other nations. So I don't see why Credonia is any different. We don't agree with the bombing of innocents but it's hardly as if they weren't in those nations for a good reason to start with.

No... we don't see how you can charge them for war crimes if those laws don't exist in their nation. You would have to capture his leader to be able to do anything and they don't have to hand him over...

We see no crimes here because it's not Credonia's law. There are no international laws to charge him with because they have to be agreed upon internationally.


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He as broken our laws. We are looking at our possibilities in an international court. No further comments.

HP you are the one who has initiated war with Cred, yes they have a very active foreign policy so do many other nations. I agree that many nations are too quick to jump into massive wars resulting in unnecessary loss of life such is the price of bad leadership. I further believe that nations acting out of vengeance should not go to war. I'm a firm believer in Tzu; war should never be entered into if the outcome is over shadowed by the price of that war.

"When you get into a pissing contest chances are you'll both end up with soggy pant legs"

Often a country can be subdued by economic interest as opposed to military might.

He as broken our laws. We are looking at our possibilities in an international court. No further comments.

You can't take someone to international court if they don't even associate with an international court. Thats just like the United States and the International Court right now. They don't recognize it as superior to US Court. Credonia doesn't have to recognize any sort of International Court, especially if he isn't a member of it.


Besides, You're not much better HP.

Credonia attacks civil targets with VX nerve gas and he has the right to condemn terrorism? I think you are wrong. I stated I would not use them in normal combat and only as a last resort. Credonia ignored my statement and he attacked me with poison gas. That's unacceptable.

Krulltor is trying realy hard to take a netural stance on this but your the aggressor not Cred. Its like picking a bar fight then all his friends gather round ........you agree to duke it out one on one then your shocked he would use a pool cue to beat you down..... well don't challenge him in the first place.

My peoples would like to take a neutral stance in this matter as we believe that the art of war should be the final straw. There were, in my opinion other avenues with which you could have explored before going down this one.

Futhermore, we also believe that as Cred does not have any such laws governing the treatment he has shown you then you cannot try him for crimes that he doesn't understand.

That's what we're fighting for!!!!!!

Credonias may pale in comparison to others but the fact that they claim to always protect civilians and that they attack nations for having WMD's then use them without a thought is a crime in itself. If Credonia is not brought to justice i will supply all the terrorist nations with WMD's to even the score, we'll see if Credonia likes it when his people are the ones dying

Credonias may pale in comparison to others but the fact that they claim to always protect civilians and that they attack nations for having WMD's then use them without a thought is a crime in itself. If Credonia is not brought to justice i will supply all the terrorist nations with WMD's to even the score, we'll see if Credonia likes it when his people are the ones dying

Secret IC: You can supply me with one, i've declared a Holy war against Imperialist nations.

If Credonia is not brought to justice i will supply all the terrorist nations with WMD's to even the score, we'll see if Credonia likes it when his people are the ones dying

Due to this stance, the United Socialist States urges the nation of Nuzen Hagen to consider the lack of forethought placed here for the public record. Lest we forget the proliferation of arms of the now defunct United States and Soviet Union and the damage they caused in the wake of their retalitory actions, we must seek a diplomatic solution to this problem.

However, if the nation of Huzen Hagen refuses to validate the soverign rights of Credonia as a nation independent of all international courts of which it is NOT affiliated, we shall support Credonia through our mutual ally of Catania-Marinov. We acknowledge that the loss of civilians is a terrible event in any form during war or peace times; nonetheless, you must consider your objectives and appeal politically to the international community. We, as the situation currently stands, shall stay neutral until such time as we feel the interests of international security are threatened.

-The Schultarian National Assembly

Our threat remains. If Credonia is not brought to justice we will fill the heavens rim so full of WMD's they'll be coming out the chimmney. The death of its citizens seems to be the only thing Credonia will pay attention to

Interesting how everyone jumps on my case about using NON NUCLEAR weapons when the one who actually fired missiles first was Holy Panooly. We aggreed to NO NUKES..they fired the first missiles, Credonia only fired back, with even more (250 ICBM's - total of 650 warheads - to be exact). We had no intention of using such eweapons nor did we state that we would, but if HP wants to play the game dirty like that, we can play dirty too, if they want to try to attack us without using diplomacy first, thats on them, we can only use this opportunity to humiliate them and show them that they cant justify terrorism. If you call protecting all nations from forces that wish to commit terror, harbor terrorists, and use weapons against the populus of a nation, terrorism, then by all means, CREDONIA IS GUILTY OF JUST THAT. But it simply must be done. We can cut the shit right here, if they want to play dirty, Credonia will show no remorse in playing dirty right back, except our actions will be swifter, harder, and will make all enemies wish they had never picked a fight with us in the first place.

Interesting how everyone jumps on my case about using NON NUCLEAR weapons when the one who actually fired missiles first was Holy Panooly. We aggreed to NO NUKES..they fired the first missiles, Credonia only fired back, with even more (250 ICBM's - total of 650 warheads - to be exact). We had no intention of using such eweapons nor did we state that we would, but if HP wants to play the game dirty like that, we can play dirty too, if they want to try to attack us without using diplomacy first, thats on them, we can only use this opportunity to humiliate them and show them that they cant justify terrorism. If you call protecting all nations from forces that wish to commit terror, harbor terrorists, and use weapons against the populus of a nation, terrorism, then by all means, CREDONIA IS GUILTY OF JUST THAT. But it simply must be done. We can cut the shit right here, if they want to play dirty, Credonia will show no remorse in playing dirty right back, except our actions will be swifter, harder, and will make all enemies wish they had never picked a fight with us in the first place.

At the risk of making myself unpopular with many members of the international community, Credonia has Cousin Eddie's full support. Without wanting to become a Bible Basher; "Judge not lest yea be judged". HP, I believe that your attempt to prosecute Credonia for war crimes is just as immoral as anything else that Credonia may or may not have done. As for prosecuting him in an internal court!! You can't do that. The civil courts within your country are for civil matters only.In the case of war crimes, an international tribunal has to be formed.

Whilst we may not be a particularly large or powerful country, Credonia has our backing.

I wouldn't worry about it Cousin Eddie, it's good that you are willing to stand up for what you beleive in.

Personally we are indifferent about this whole thing. We can't see it sticking and there isn't much they can do to try and bring Credonia to "justice" so I'm going to ignore the charges.

I don't see a need to attack Credonia outright. They are their own Sovereign nation, thats true. They don't abide by international laws, probably true. Credonia shouldn't be attacked for what they believe.

However, there is nothing wrong with forming a pact in which if Credonia breaks the agreed upon sanctions, then a coalition force can be massed and force Credonia to correct itself. I believe that is the diplomacy everyone is looking for.

Hm... I've seen much worse commited by many other nations. So I don't see why Credonia is any different. We don't agree with the bombing of innocents but it's hardly as if they weren't in those nations for a good reason to start with.

They weren't in those natiops for a good reason! It was an opportunistic attack on civilian areas, using the most inhumane methods possible. And, unless I'm mistaken, war crimes are international law. Credonia can be held accountable.

Credonias may pale in comparison to others but the fact that they claim to always protect civilians and that they attack nations for having WMD's then use them without a thought is a crime in itself. If Credonia is not brought to justice i will supply all the terrorist nations with WMD's to even the score, we'll see if Credonia likes it when his people are the ones dying

No. Provide them with equipment for infiltration and capture instead. They will be able to take Credonia's chain of command and bring them to the World Court. Justice will be served with minimal bloodshed.

Credonia, must I remind you how powerful my alliance with Huzen Hagen Stevid, British Navy and the other nations is? You don't stand a chance if war breaks out yet again. Try to imagine how it looks when chemical missiles rain down on your pitiful nation. In fact, I don't think you want to know the consequences. Your actions may sound hard but when your borders have been breached open we can easily take the softer parts within. This is a very tough situation when it comes to allies and I'm not even counting the terrorist nations who are with us so better start finding some people who are willing to fight an invisible enemy.

They weren't in those nations for a good reason! It was an opportunistic attack on civilian areas, using the most inhumane methods possible. And, unless I'm mistaken, war crimes are international law. Credonia can be held accountable.

Hm... you seem to mistake us for someone who cares about international law? It seems you misunderstand that international law doesn't really apply because the nation in question doesn't agree to international law... in fact most of the international community don't agree to international law.

In fact, I would say that Holy Panooly doesn't answer to international law... so I doubt any court is going to order Credonia to give up their leadership, and if some court did I doubt that Credonia would give up their leadership eitherway. This is because, and I'll be slow so you understand... they...don't...care...about...someone...elses...law.

If I had done anything terrible (not that I would, I have a reputation to uphold) I certainly wouldn't give myself up. So legally I follow Credonia... though I'm not happy they targetted civilians, even if it was a situation of war.

Credonia's punishment, if any, will be that we have lost some respect for their nation... otherwise there is nothing more you can do. They are already at war and if Holy Panooly can capture Credonia leadership then they are welcome to hold them to whatever justice is in their nation.


Of course, I doubt that will happen... looking at the situation the chances of a successful invasion taking place are slim to none, invasions are inefficient and damn near impossible without a huge advantage.

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This is a very tough situation when it comes to allies and I'm not even counting the terrorist nations who are with us so better start finding some people who are willing to fight an invisible enemy.

Hm... still supporting terrorist nations then? Sigh... I don't know why I bother.

You two need to chill out.

Credonia, must I remind you how powerful my alliance with Huzen Hagen Stevid, British Navy and the other nations is? You don't stand a chance if war breaks out yet again. Try to imagine how it looks when chemical missiles rain down on your pitiful nation. In fact, I don't think you want to know the consequences. Your actions may sound hard but when your borders have been breached open we can easily take the softer parts within. This is a very tough situation when it comes to allies and I'm not even counting the terrorist nations who are with us so better start finding some people who are willing to fight an invisible enemy.

Lest I remind you of all my allies. And my puppets (only if you decide to enter your own puppets). Oh yeah, and dont forget my WMD's, including my large nuclear arsenal which I promise will reign down on you with no hesitation if you continue to threaten my allies...

Our threat remains. If Credonia is not brought to justice we will fill the heavens rim so full of WMD's they'll be coming out the chimmney. The death of its citizens seems to be the only thing Credonia will pay attention to

This has been noted.

Congratulations, your nation has been added to the growing Austarian hit / watchlist.

you may be twice our size but that does not mean we will back down

you may be twice our size but that does not mean we will back down

Terrorist Scum like yourself will not go un-noticed, and we do not care if you do not back down. We will overwhelm you with our forces. Good always overcomes evil...

Good always overcomes evil...

Then we have nothing to worry about, we try to seek justice for thousands of children and you and your allys threaten us. You will all pay dearly for the crimes you have commited

Good always overcomes evil...
You will all pay dearly for the crimes you have commited

Yes, we will pay, but in your blood. We will pay not for crimes, for we are only guilty of enjoying the freedoms you seek to destroy...

since when has Huzen Hagen ever tried to destroy freedom, since when has the hlf tried to destroy freedom. It only fought for its own

OOC: and by the way check out the heavens revival thread

OOC: I already check it every day. Its part of my intelligence program.

Considering that you ally yourself with terrorists, what respect should we hold for your evil nation?

You are nothing but a cowardly mosquito, waiting to be crushed by the massive boot of the Austarian / Credonian coalition.

Credonia has Xha'dam's full support on this matter. In fact, it is our belief that Credonia showed admirable restraint in not leveling the HLF entirely. We urge HH to reconsider this course of action.

Do not threaten me, we have not backed down rom trailers and we will not back down now

ooc: back i about 7 hours, cheerio

Do not threaten me, we have not backed down rom trailers and we will not back down now

ooc: back i about 7 hours, cheerio

We laugh at your lack of understanding of the balance of power.
Do you really think you could stand against the Austarian Dreadnought? I think not... in fact, in todays world, I invite you to try your best...but let it be said, we will hold no restraint...

Do not threaten me, we have not backed down rom trailers and we will not back down now

ooc: back i about 7 hours, cheerio

We laugh at your lack of understanding of the balance of power.
Do you really think you could stand against the Austarian Dreadnought? I think not... in fact, in todays world, I invite you to try your best...but let it be said, we will hold no restraint...

IC: Your armies are not invincible. They can be defeated. It merely takes superior tactics on Huzen Hagen's part. Huzen Hagen has guts. He is fighting against the much superior Trailers' army and surviving.

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I think i'm starting to hate this "I'm going to nuke the shit out of you" stuff. Before you start pushing buttons, have you ever thought of the consequences? The fall-out, nuclear particles in the wind, lots of innocent nations involved? 1 nuclear explosion in tjernobyl and no one in europe could eat crops from the soil because of the nuclear stuff floating in the air. Think before you start screaming about using your nuke arsenal.

IC:

It is good to know that there is another nation that feels as we do, that WMDs and nuclear weapons in particular are a last resort weapon.

The Dr_Twist Government will back Credonia and Austar Union in this matter we will go to there defense with my allies if they are attacked over this issue, We also believe in Nuclear Weapons as a Last Resort, for use of Nuclear weapons in Dr_Twist we abide by our MAD Protocol, so basically unless some one nukes us we nuke them in return, they sent 50 nukes we send 50 nukes, they use chemical weapons we use chemical weapons, we would never use WMD unless they use them 1st or we have to use them in the complete last defense of our nation.

I am sick of all these nations threatening Credonia. They are not violating any international law, and there is very little chance you could capture Credonia's leader. Now drop the issue, go back to your measily Terror attacks which are pointless, and I bet you'll end up being destroyed by far superior and numerical forces.

Although I will not take an official stance, Muktar is leaning against Americ- I mean, Credonia in this case.

I am sick of all these nations threatening Credonia. They are not violating any international law, and there is very little chance you could capture Credonia's leader. Now drop the issue, go back to your measily Terror attacks which are pointless, and I bet you'll end up being destroyed by far superior and numerical forces.

OOC: Credonia targetted himself with his weird crusade against everything. Just to let you know...

Good always overcomes evil...
You will all pay dearly for the crimes you have commited

Yes, we will pay, but in your blood. We will pay not for crimes, for we are only guilty of enjoying the freedoms you seek to destroy...

These people are not trying to destroy freedoms. They saw Credonia being an opportunistic homocidal maniac, and have decided to do something about it. However, might I point out the 'terrorist' nations Credonia invaded were highly opressed and abused, and these methods did not work to prevent their attacks. Instead, they were stopped with food drops and diplomacy from yours truly. Point being, you're on the wrong side of the battlefield if your agenda is to preserve freedoms.

TO: THe IMPERIAL NAVY

You probably condone these actions because you yourself commit like-ones or have some sort of bais against nations that actually CARE for the welfare of thier citizens. You must be a democrat. We have had bad relations with Credonia, and at first contact they almost blew us up. These people must be stopped. Credonia is a threat to inter-galactic peace.

Yohanne Schutgart, Prime Minister
Federation of Germanic Worlds
Berlinn, Atheos Prime

TO: THe IMPERIAL NAVY

You probably condone these actions because you yourself commit like-ones or have some sort of bais against nations that actually CARE for the welfare of thier citizens. You must be a democrat. We have had bad relations with Credonia, and at first contact they almost blew us up. These people must be stopped. Credonia is a threat to inter-galactic peace.

Yohanne Schutgart, Prime Minister
Federation of Germanic Worlds
Berlinn, Atheos Prime

I am a democrat. I am against Credonia. Don't stereotype against a political party.

Nilt shall remain neutral on all of these proceedings. HOWEVER, we warn all of you, if any of our citizens are killed in your conflict, WE WILL TAKES SIDES.

I can’t believe how many small nations are in here trying to push people around. its rather funny.

Also i anit no democrat of Republican i vote for Labor!

Were not trying to push anyone around, we simply requested that non of our citizens be killed in this conflict. Our nation has never and hopefully never will try to conquer someone or tell someone what to do.

Were not trying to push anyone around, we simply requested that non of our citizens be killed in this conflict. Our nation has never and hopefully never will try to conquer someone or tell someone what to do.

Then why post in here if it has nothing to do with u? only post things that have got to do with you.

TO: THe IMPERIAL NAVY

You probably condone these actions because you yourself commit like-ones or have some sort of bais against nations that actually CARE for the welfare of thier citizens. You must be a democrat. We have had bad relations with Credonia, and at first contact they almost blew us up. These people must be stopped. Credonia is a threat to inter-galactic peace.

Yohanne Schutgart, Prime Minister
Federation of Germanic Worlds
Berlinn, Atheos Prime

Actually we're an Empire. Besides, with an opinion like that, i'm not surprised he tried to kill you.

Killing someone because of an opinion? Once again you have proven your agressive intensions.

I am sick of all these nations threatening Credonia. They are not violating any international law, and there is very little chance you could capture Credonia's leader. Now drop the issue, go back to your measily Terror attacks which are pointless, and I bet you'll end up being destroyed by far superior and numerical forces.

OOC: Credonia targetted himself with his weird crusade against everything. Just to let you know...

OOC: Bush is doing the same thing... do you see the world trying to haul his ass to a war court? No. Why? America is way larger and more powerful. you have little chance as well.

TO: THe IMPERIAL NAVY

You probably condone these actions because you yourself commit like-ones or have some sort of bais against nations that actually CARE for the welfare of thier citizens. You must be a democrat. We have had bad relations with Credonia, and at first contact they almost blew us up. These people must be stopped. Credonia is a threat to inter-galactic peace.

Yohanne Schutgart, Prime Minister
Federation of Germanic Worlds
Berlinn, Atheos Prime

Actually we're an Empire. Besides, with an opinion like that, i'm not surprised he tried to kill you.

He meant a member of the Democratic Political Party IRL. This is an assumption that you are an American. However, I think a pro-Bush American is more likely to favor Credonia in this case. They're both warmongering opportunists with no social skills whatsoever.

Killing someone because of an opinion? Once again you have proven your agressive intensions.

did I ever say he really did that? i'm merely stating is opinion is flawed. think before you say.

He meant a member of the Democratic Political Party IRL. This is an assumption that you are an American. However, I think a pro-Bush American is more likely to favor Credonia in this case. They're both warmongering opportunists with no social skills whatsoever.

I'm a brit who doesn't give a damn about his country. :wink:

Little chance? Without a doubt.
Do we have the right to press charges? Yes.
Warcrimes are against international law. So credonia can be held responsible for the damage and loss of innocent lives.

Were not trying to push anyone around, we simply requested that non of our citizens be killed in this conflict. Our nation has never and hopefully never will try to conquer someone or tell someone what to do.

Then why post in here if it has nothing to do with u? only post things that have got to do with you.

Because I have the right to do so.

Little chance? Without a doubt.
Do we have the right to press charges? Yes.
Warcrimes are against international law. So credonia can be held responsible for the damage and loss of innocent lives.

many do not agree. I'm afraid there is no international law in NS. You want to prosecute him? you'll have to invade.

Killing someone because of an opinion? Once again you have proven your agressive intensions.

did I ever say he really did that? i'm merely stating is opinion is flawed. think before you say.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion no matter how stupid it is.

Also i ain't no Democrat or Republican I voted for Labor!

OOC: Our OOC political position makes no difference in this, only our IC political position, so don't mix the two.

Meanwhile I fail to see what good will come of trying to charge Credonia with war crimes, I've already explained IC that there is no way to actually arrest him for such crimes as he will not give himself up and he is already at war... the only way to make him see your justice (not his own justice as his law doesn't tell him he's commited a crime) is to capture the leader and take them to your nation.

I doubt anything will come of this, but I would prefer that everyone stopped thinking that the international community has some kind of law... such a law would need alot of nations to agree, which is impossible because at least twice as many nations would automatically disagree. Like Iuthia, who only reckognises Iuthian law and because we are a dictatorship the leader (James deGritz) is immune to any such law.

There are no international laws in NS, this isn't the same Earth as RL, it's only based on RL's physics (mostly) and not RL's history.

Also i ain't no Democrat or Republican I voted for Labor!

Iuthia, who cares?

There once was a very mean dragon in Muktar mythology. It's name was Credonia, and it would attack all the world, stalking women and children. Then, the people of the world realized they could, together, slay the dragon. So the people of the world went after the dragon, and although the results weren't recorded, the leaders of the different nations got nifty dragonscale crowns afterword.

Morale of the story: If you pick a fight with everyone, everyone will want you dead.

This is really getting stupid now, Even if you put him up for war crimes and so on how will u get him? There is no way unless you invade, he can ignore everything any court says and what they do, he is basically untouchable unless u invade. Its as clear as day, so why bother?

True, but I hope we may look into this? No judge from any international court has made any statements or gave us advise what to do.

I agree with the idea that Credonia is too powerful to bring their leader before an International Court. If someone, who has the power, is willing to invade and arrest their leader then by all means have your way. This is just getting tiresome to hear complaints that fall on deaf ears.

True, but I hope we may look into this? No judge from any international court has made any statements or gave us advise what to do.

Stop tiptoeing around, If you want revenge get it in your only way and invade, you can put him up for war crimes well done nothing will happen but a court case looking into wasting Millions of your Dollars while he doesn't show and doesn't care, you are powerless, your only way for revenge is 1 way and that’s to invade. If you want your revenge its as clear as day.

Perhaps an alliance would work. Like a joint nation operation?

Of course we want revenge. This whole evidence gathering is just a farce.

Iuthia, who cares?

Apparently you care enough to reply.

Hmm.. someone being prosecuted for war crimes? This is where Iron Blood comes in and squashes the concerned human rights freaka.

Translation:
Quit bothering Credonia or Ill turn you into a massive gulag.

Of course we want revenge. This whole evidence gathering is just a farce.Remember-attack credonia and the chances are his allies (Like me) will leave you a smear in the ground.

Just drop the subject and go back to running your nation, instead of wasting Billions in currency and millions in lives just to satisfy your thirst for revenge.

I'm not going to attack Creddy again, you can rest assured.

Holy Panooly, you have Nilt as an ally. If you require an assistance, let us know.

Agreed. The fact is, nobody gives a stuff about some international court. And if you want to persecute us for our "crimes", come and get us. Try your best. Unfortunaltly, if you do, you will begin to resemble the gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe...

Agreed. The fact is, nobody gives a stuff about some international court. And if you want to persecute us for our "crimes", come and get us. Try your best. Unfortunaltly, if you do, you will begin to resemble the gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe...

Agreed. The fact is, nobody gives a stuff about some international court. And if you want to persecute us for our "crimes", come and get us. Try your best. Unfortunaltly, if you do, you will begin to resemble the gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe...

Agreed. The fact is, nobody gives a stuff about some international court. And if you want to persecute us for our "crimes", come and get us. Try your best. Unfortunaltly, if you do, you will begin to resemble the gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe...

Holy Panooly, you have Nilt as an ally. If you require an assistance, let us know.

It's really nice to have more allies, but you can't do much against such nations.

I'm not going to attack Creddy again, you can rest assured.

Why? You scared? (i guess you are since your the one who asked me to invade you instead of you followng through with your empty threats and invading me)

Holy Panooly, you have Nilt as an ally. If you require an assistance, let us know.

It's really nice to have more allies, but you can't do much against such nations.

Maybe not, but our Special Ops forces can put quite a dent in a countries industries.

Holy Panooly, you have Nilt as an ally. If you require an assistance, let us know.

It's really nice to have more allies, but you can't do much against such nations.

Maybe not, but our Special Ops forces can put quite a dent in a countries industries.
And should they dent anything, the country of Nilt will become a gulag owned by Iron Blood.

Holy Panooly, you have Nilt as an ally. If you require an assistance, let us know.

It's really nice to have more allies, but you can't do much against such nations.

Maybe not, but our Special Ops forces can put quite a dent in a countries industries.

I doubt that VERY MUCH.

Is that a threat?

The Senate of the Republic would like to note that no court regulates ANY nation's right to defend itself from foreign threats, and thus any ruling made is null and void.

I'm not going to attack Creddy again, you can rest assured.

Why? You scared? (i guess you are since your the one who asked me to invade you instead of you followng through with your empty threats and invading me)

I'm not scared. If I was I wouldn't ask you for invading me.

Is that a threat?
It most definitely is. My military is probably larger than your population, I have a right to threaten.

OOC: It is so easy for people to be offended here. Have some dignity and respect for each other. You need to calm down and practice your breathing exercises. It is Yoga time. :roll:

Is that a threat?
It most definitely is. My military is probably larger than your population, I have a right to threaten.

Perhaps your military is bigger, but how does a nuke dropped on one of your cities sound? Keep your troops off of our border, and we'll do the same for you.

ehm, you can't have nukes. You're too young

Shhh! Bluff!

Don't worry, he knows it's bluff

Is that a threat?
It most definitely is. My military is probably larger than your population, I have a right to threaten.

Perhaps your military is bigger, but how does a nuke dropped on one of your cities sound? Keep your troops off of our border, and we'll do the same for you.
We are not terribly worried about nukes, having spent upwards of $100 billion developing systems to stop them.

Enemies and friends of credonia alike-go to bed. you're getting far too cranky.

Hmmm...good point...

Either way, we will fight if anyone attacks. Especialy with WMDs such as nerve gas.

Iron Blood, you really don't want to threaten us. Though small, our citizens are fiercly loyal and would sooner die than give in to countries that use nerve gas against civilians.

Enemies and friends of credonia alike-go to bed. you're getting far too cranky.

best reply so far IMHO

OOC: Iron Blood, might I point out that your nation is, ironically, the sort of nation Credonia would probably invade. Of course, he won't, since he wouldn't be a sinch to win, but the fact remains.

Hmmm...good point...

Either way, we will fight if anyone attacks. Especialy with WMDs such as nerve gas.

Iron Blood, you really don't want to threaten us. Though small, our citizens are fiercly loyal and would sooner die than give in to countries that use nerve gas against civilians.

OOC: dont stick your nose into matters that dont concern you because you will end up looking like a terrorist supporter (which you are infact doing right now) and serious political repurcussions will result. You can rest assured of that. This is not a threat, just a mere caution and warning to you.

wow! this thread went from a war crime trial to bashing and insults :wink: ah well in my opinion war is bad...and if people try to justify it and make it 'alright' by setting up rules then are shocked when someone breaks them...well tough! people die in war! if they didnt it would just be a rather bad argument with lost of pushing and shoving...so the morale is....dont get into wars and piss people of and you wont die! (amazing :roll: ) *hand all people involved a cup of joe and sits down*

~Prongs
(and no im not asking that you do this...just putting my 2-cents in ^_^)

OCC:We niether support nor are against terrorism. We simply want to keep civilians from harm. If Credonian civilians were murdered by HP's forces, we'd support you.

Hmmm...good point...

Either way, we will fight if anyone attacks. Especialy with WMDs such as nerve gas.

Iron Blood, you really don't want to threaten us. Though small, our citizens are fiercly loyal and would sooner die than give in to countries that use nerve gas against civilians.

OOC: dont stick your nose into matters that dont concern you because you will end up looking like a terrorist supporter (which you are infact doing right now) and serious political repurcussions will result. You can rest assured of that. This is not a threat, just a mere caution and warning to you.

OOC: Credonia get on MSN...

Hmmm...good point...

Either way, we will fight if anyone attacks. Especialy with WMDs such as nerve gas.

Iron Blood, you really don't want to threaten us. Though small, our citizens are fiercly loyal and would sooner die than give in to countries that use nerve gas against civilians.

OOC: dont stick your nose into matters that dont concern you because you will end up looking like a terrorist supporter (which you are infact doing right now) and serious political repurcussions will result. You can rest assured of that. This is not a threat, just a mere caution and warning to you.

OOC: Credonia get on MSN...


I cant, sorry im at school. I'll be home in approximatly 4.5 hrs

OOC: Iron Blood, might I point out that your nation is, ironically, the sort of nation Credonia would probably invade. Of course, he won't, since he wouldn't be a sinch to win, but the fact remains.
OOC:
Im not exactly a good friend of Credonia, several months ago I nuked him as Dark Terror :lol:

But I do hate meddling human rights freaks.

OOC: Don't stick your nose into matters that don't concern you because you will end up looking like a terrorist supporter (which you are infact doing right now) and serious political repurcussions will result.

You can rest assured of that. This is not a threat, just a mere caution and warning to you.

OOC: Seeing as you are not threatening him I feel I must caution you that alot of nations could be concidered "terrorist supporters" by your definition of the word.

Now, most of them can understand that getting revenge on a nation that supplied a terrorist group that injured your nation. What they may not like however, is the blatant invasion of nation who just voice their support but don't actually do anything.

If you attack a nation without a very good people ask questions, some of the larger nations may start asking themselves "What if he tries that on one of my allies?" and you will find that trouble can suddenly just loom.

This is why I suggest (OOC of course, like your suggestion to Nilt) that you make damn sure your actions are justified...

Oddly enough, I've helped both you and Holy Panooly fight terrorism... so so far I prefer you over Holy Panooly... so far.

OOC: Strange that Holy Panooly fights terrorism, considering that he also supports it. I mean ICly...

OOC: Strange that Holy Panooly fights terrorism, considering that he also supports it. I mean ICly...

OOC: It wasn't fighting international terrorism, just fighting terrorism in his own nation when his leadership changed to an anti-terrorist stance for a short period of time...

Shame it never really caught on.

Why do people keep thinking I support them? I haven't supported them since I posted about the political change. I sold WMD's to lots of nations. So what? No one used them against any of you so no harm done.

Why do people keep thinking I support them? I haven't supported them since I posted about the political change. I sold WMD's to lots of nations. So what? No one used them against any of you so no harm done.

You sell WMD's to terrorists...unofficially....

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Why do people keep thinking I support them? I haven't supported them since I posted about the political change. I sold WMD's to lots of nations. So what? No one used them against any of you so no harm done.

You sell WMD's to terrorists...unofficially....

Once again, prove it.

I think you just did. You sell weapons to EVERYONE, some of which could be or ARE terrorist nations. So in effect you do support them, just not officially because you supply the weapons they need to perform such terrorist acts.

I think you just did. You sell weapons to EVERYONE, some of which could be or ARE terrorist nations. So in effect you do support them, just not officially because you supply the weapons they need to perform such terrorist acts.

Prove they are indeed terrorist nations without reading secret IC posts. You can't read it so you have no proof whatsoever.

I think you just did. You sell weapons to EVERYONE, some of which could be or ARE terrorist nations. So in effect you do support them, just not officially because you supply the weapons they need to perform such terrorist acts.

but you supply the motivation for terrorists to exist and use the weapons, not officially though. So in effect you support them too!

well put GLA!

OOC: Hehe... this is why Iuthia has never used the reason "We're pulling out because they are terrorists" We have only pulled out because of the hostilities and because we suspect they are supporting terrorists again.

Whats more I can find the posts which suggest this is the case but don't quite prove it.

I have noticed that alot of the proof for HP's Terrorism isn't actually IC... one example being when someone posted in his WMD sales thread that they picked up a secret message...

However, I don't know if the proof used in the war against Holy Panooly is fully IC... it may be ok but I'm not sure.

None the less, Iuthia reacts to the suspicious stuff...

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Exactly Iuthia. All proof against me is OOC or secret IC which no one can read. Thus all the proof against me is invaild and I should expect an official apology.

OOC: I didn't say there wasn't IC proof, I haven't seen it all... I just don't have any myself. I have caught you talking about them (the terrorists) being a problem if you are attacked though.

Plus I'm not sure about the whole telegram thing Dr. Twist and co used to start a war.

OOC: I didn't say there wasn't IC proof, I haven't seen it all... I just don't have any myself. I have caught you talking about them (the terrorists) being a problem if you are attacked though.

Plus I'm not sure about the whole telegram thing Dr. Twist and co used to start a war.

The telegram thing was set up and was done by puppets to frame a lot of nations. All proof, yes all the proof is OOC or secret IC. There's no way they could have read it and knowing it in IC.

OOC: I didn't say there wasn't IC proof, I haven't seen it all... I just don't have any myself. I have caught you talking about them (the terrorists) being a problem if you are attacked though.

Plus I'm not sure about the whole telegram thing Dr. Twist and co used to start a war.

The telegram thing was set up and was done by puppets to frame a lot of nations. All proof, yes all the proof is OOC or secret IC. There's no way they could have read it and knowing it in IC.

OOC: You will find that all proof is based entirely on intelligence agencys. HP, read my post in another thread on why I can decypher "Secret IC" messages.

OCC: What? i am browsing forums and all i see if my name saying somthing about me, wtf?

People people calm down. Now I am a Supreme Court Justice for the NWO and we can prosecute him for what he has done because he is a member. Now all evidence of his wrongdoing can you please telegram to myself or Jarridia so that we can review the case and decide what to do.


Thank You
President Matich
Justice of NWO

Like hell you will, i'll withdraw if u do anything (ive been planning it anyway, the NWO membership is stagnate). Even if you tried, it wouldnt go anywhere simply because NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ANYMORE. But as i said, try, and i will tender my resignation, IMMEDIATELY.

Now we can start building on our our case. Very much thanks Matich.

Hm... we find this odd. Afterall, didn't the entire NWO declare war on Holy Panooly at one point?

Nevermind, if they want to alienate their own members, starting with a member with alot of freinds in high places then I suppose it's up to them. Though I can't see how the NWO is going to force justice on Credonia...

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Hm... we find this odd. Afterall, didn't the entire NWO declare war on Holy Panooly at one point?

Nevermind, if they want to alienate their own members, starting with a member with alot of freinds in high places then I suppose it's up to them. Though I can't see how the NWO is going to force justice on Credonia...

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Sorry, but the NWO never declared war on me. Only one nation ViZion declared war on me but never attacked me. The attack was never supported by the NWO.

Fair enough... eitherway we doubt that the NWO organisation can afford to further alienate it's members by attempting to charge Credonia when Credonia refures to be charged... we can only see political termoil from this action as Credonia uproots it's own allies and leave the NWO... perhaps the third part of the NWO to leave. It doesn't bode well for them.

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didnt HH try to destroy the world by drilling in the ice caps. Thats alot worse than a few civilians.

Allanea wishes to use this opportunity to restate it's support of Credonia.

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