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Say no to WAR!

Say no to WAR!

Say no to WAR!

Its not big and it certainly isnt clever.

i completely agree

Hippies....pff

Hippies....pff

you're right. war is just a waste of time. a waste of everything actually.

we are discussing those things in a little sarcastic way in the region Iraq now...

i'm not a hippie, but war is not the answer, unless you really have a good reason: then you can go ahead and blow peoples heads off all you want

i'm not a hippie, but war is not the answer, unless you really have a good reason: then you can go ahead and blow peoples heads off all you want

Though peace should be an answer war is a necessary evil (if you have a good reason)

Though peace should be an answer war is a necessary evil (if you have a good reason)

That's entirely subjective, though - who decides whether it's a good reason or not? Pretty much all nations that go to war claim they have a good reason. Nobody says "Oh, we're just kicking their asses for the hell of it."

Iuthia has been around for a long time in Nation States and I can only say that for a military based nation I've only been at war twice, in both occasions we solved the situation before troops were deployed.

I have nothing against war, providing there is a damn good reason. Diplomacy first, war last.


In reply for of who chooses if it's a good reason: Me, I choose whether it's worth me starting or joining in a war. Everyone else can go away.

"It no longer surprises the Mekantan Empire that a gang of spider monkeys were able to walk all over your military and steal hundreds of tons of metals."

The United Communist States of Zvarinograd is pacifist, and has no military presence whatsover. Diplomacy is the only real answer to the conflicts of humanity, as war is only a series of catastrophes that results in a victory. Catastrophes, of which, might make victory seem a defeat. War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children. Remember this, should you decide to go to war.

That would be all.

An argument could be made that an occaisonal war helps keep a society strong. In Kharrol, we favor this viewpoint....
-Kir, Kharrol Chief.

okay war is goos and to prove it this is something i did to a war protester.

I went up to one on Saturday like 2 days before we went to war and he started telling me that war is not the answer and we should think of a dimplomatic way. During the middile of his speech i smacked him upside the face. He was mad ans was about to hit me and i said "wait now if you want the world to follow your philosphy on a diplomatic solutuon instead of fighting you should follow your own philosphy. H esaid he was right and asked me to stop. I said NO! and slapped him again. Basically what im saying is if theres a person who wants to kill you are is evil and wont listen to reason you dont have a choice.

the only time to go to war is in a, last resort situation... when nothing else works.

okay war is goos and to prove it this is something i did to a war protester.

I went up to one on Saturday like 2 days before we went to war and he started telling me that war is not the answer and we should think of a dimplomatic way. During the middile of his speech i smacked him upside the face. He was mad ans was about to hit me and i said "wait now if you want the world to follow your philosphy on a diplomatic solutuon instead of fighting you should follow your own philosphy. H esaid he was right and asked me to stop. I said NO! and slapped him again. Basically what im saying is if theres a person who wants to kill you are is evil and wont listen to reason you dont have a choice.


......you win the Kilean International Office's award for correct spelling in an argument heinlein never has put forwards before, nosir.

War is very goos indeed.


"war is the continuation of politics by other means"

An argument could be made that an occaisonal war helps keep a society strong. In Kharrol, we favor this viewpoint....
-Kir, Kharrol Chief.

Actually, war is a net destroyer of wealth. In economic terms, it's a waste- unless you can compensate for that by *ahem* re-destributing the wealth in the peace settlement.

As for constant war making society strong- while it is important to be constantly watchful and fully prepared to defend yourself, war for the sake of "making society strong" is a bad idea, as it almost invariably leads to diplomatically isolated regimes that are dogpiled by surrounding powers who are tired of putting up with that yearly invasion crap. (see also: nazi germany, sparta, the aztec empire)

The effects on your society internally are also negative: a nation should be strong on it's own, and it shouldn't need a war to make it socially coherent. In fact, constant wars would create huge social problems- a sense of alienation between people who fight and people on the home front, as well as a male/female social split due to the increasingly seperate worlds the two genders live in. Short term, yeah, I guess wars make a "strong nation", but after war two or three, people just get friggin' tired and start asking that dreaded question:

"what are we fighting for, anyways?"

The United Communist States of Zvarinograd is pacifist, and has no military presence whatsover. Diplomacy is the only real answer to the conflicts of humanity, as war is only a series of catastrophes that results in a victory. Catastrophes, of which, might make victory seem a defeat. War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children. Remember this, should you decide to go to war.

That would be all.

unless i am mistaken, what happened to the airforce that blacked out the sky?

"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue--and thoroughly immoral-- doctrine that 'violence never solves anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The Ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more disputes in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."

-Robert Heinlein

(Hey, someone else brought up the man! Smart guy, that Heinlein.)

But we need war to distract the popuplace from our poor handling of domestic affairs and to stimulate our economy. Besides, it's fun!