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The Credonian Department of Defense has finally released information regarding a secret launch that it performed on Monday of this week.

Orbital Platform Specs
**CLASSIFIED**

Rumored to be able to hold up to 20 DESOLATOR ICBM's (Each eqipted with 10 nuclear MIRV's)

OOC: dont say you can shoot it down cuz im an expert in orbital mechanics and i can EASILY prove you cant without knowing the right orbital perameters

Orbital Perameters
Launch Date: 3-8-2004
Construction Completion Date: **CLASSIFIED**
**CLASSIFIED*

Launch Pictures
http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0001.jpg

http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0007.jpg

http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0008.jpg

http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0009.jpg

http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0010.jpg

http://www.vussp.com/nationstates/UO0011.jpg

OOC:sum piccies broken :)

OOC: yep, fixed

Very... interesting. We wish Credonia luck on their space ventures.

(Please note our embassy is also now fully functional.)

Thank you

(the emperor will need to speek with your ambassador soon about something urgent - i'll telegram first though)

K.

(OOC) Doesn't having ICBMs in orbit somewhat defy the purpose of having ICBMs?

OOC: not necessarily. it adds a diminsion of stealth, and gives the nation being attacked probably less than half the reaction time that it would have to respond to a detected ground launched ICBM attack.

The Republic of Ozymandias IV formally deplores Credonia's most recent actions.

The proliferation of nuclear weapons into space by what was once a peace-loving nation which sought to limit the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction deeply saddens the Republic.

As a people, we urge Credonia to step back from the brink of insanity. While we too were stung by the loss of the late President Sutton, the actions of his dictator son are causing us great concern and may lead to a re-evaluation of our relationship with the "Empire of Credonia".

- Umberto IV
SecInfo
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Republic of Ozymandias IV

BUMP

we can discuss it at the IADF conference

OOC: not necessarily. it adds a diminsion of stealth, and gives the nation being attacked probably less than half the reaction time that it would have to respond to a detected ground launched ICBM attack.

The problem is everyone can see an orbital platform. It's hard to hide something spinning around in space.

Is it possible to custom-order such platforms from Credonia?

Well done Credonia

OOC: not necessarily. it adds a diminsion of stealth, and gives the nation being attacked probably less than half the reaction time that it would have to respond to a detected ground launched ICBM attack.

The problem is everyone can see an orbital platform. It's hard to hide something spinning around in space.

Yea, thats true, but it also depends on the altitude at which it orbits and its relative size. Take for example, Spitnik, people could see it because 1) it was highly reflective (silver in fact), and 2) it was in low earth orbit. You can give give it more of a stealthy characteristic if you use non reflective coatings and instead of using solar panels for energy, you could use fuel cells (not exactly my first choice but it COULD work), or RTG's (a nuclear power cell).

Is it possible to custom-order such platforms from Credonia?

You could if you would like, but it wouldnt be as high tech as ours as ours represents the BREAKTHROUGH in our technology and its exact components and specs are classified even to our closest allies.

BUMP

The Government of Communist Likon hopes that the Credonian ICBM program fails, plunging them into a fiery destruction.
Have a nice day

pumping $2 trillion dollars into the program, unlikely to happen. Besides, we just used it for the first time against the first enemy to try to invade us (no u cant get incolved so dont try- its Holy Panooly vs Credonia ONLY ;-))

Our ICBM Satellite, Ex-USSNR, has had great success. Unknowing to Motherworld Earth, those who still live on her Beautiful but scarred surface, the Colony of Nodea Rudav has been secretly maintaining this Satellite with care not to do anything that would harm anyone, expect the targeted Nation. Anyway, we have had great success using our ICBM Platform as a Spy Satellite mixed with Orbital Watch, Orbital Recon, and many more things. The reason is simple: We now reside in a Different Solar System due to a Rouge Meteor hitting and causing a chain of devistating events that destroyed Ancient Rudavia, we were saved by an Alien Race which we are greaful. Since the ICBM Satellite is the only thing we have left of ourselves near Motherworld Earth, we use it to moniter all Comrade Brethren, Allies and Neutral alike, even enemies are watched, which are VERY few to say happily, most become neutral or allies in the long run.

Fear Not, because even as the ICBM Satellite is loaded with Hydroegn, Atomic, and Neutronic Warheads, it is not used for such now days. It only is left stored to be used as a VERY LAST LINE of Defense for Allies, or even Motherworld Earth herself.

We watch for your safety, because we care even for our enemies, even for those neutral, even for our allies. In the end, all are Comrade Brethren, and, in the end, all are apart of the Comrade Brethrenhood that is our way of reaching and keeping our relations with the outside 'world', so-to-speak.

Thank You,
Kata'Re
Leader of the Colony of Nodea Rudav
Nova Kretani Solar System

P.S. We keep in touch thanks to our Reliant Friend of a Space Probe, the Modified Voyager Class Space Probe named Explorer, by bouncing Microwave Transmissions off it and to Motherworld Earth for a very clean, effective, and efficient way of communication from so far away.

The Republic of Ozymandias IV formally deplores Credonia's most recent actions.

The proliferation of nuclear weapons into space by what was once a peace-loving nation which sought to limit the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction deeply saddens the Republic.

As a people, we urge Credonia to step back from the brink of insanity. While we too were stung by the loss of the late President Sutton, the actions of his dictator son are causing us great concern and may lead to a re-evaluation of our relationship with the "Empire of Credonia".

- Umberto IV
SecInfo
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Republic of Ozymandias IV


You're completly right. He's pratically preparing to take on the world. The AA Space Navy is on high alert due to it being "impossible to shoot down".
Listen here, please confirm that it will only be used if the need is great, not to start a war.

Otherwise damn you, I still can't get pictures on my topics, and I dought I ever will!

The Republic of Ozymandias IV formally deplores Credonia's most recent actions.

The proliferation of nuclear weapons into space by what was once a peace-loving nation which sought to limit the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction deeply saddens the Republic.

As a people, we urge Credonia to step back from the brink of insanity. While we too were stung by the loss of the late President Sutton, the actions of his dictator son are causing us great concern and may lead to a re-evaluation of our relationship with the "Empire of Credonia".

- Umberto IV
SecInfo
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/ozymandias_iv.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92022)
Republic of Ozymandias IV


You're completly right. He's pratically preparing to take on the world. The AA Space Navy is on high alert due to it being "impossible to shoot down".
Listen here, please confirm that it will only be used if the need is great, not to start a war.

Otherwise damn you, I still can't get pictures on my topics, and I dought I ever will!

Im not "preparing to take on the world" im merely preparing to take on my enemies. This is meant to be a warning and a slap in the face. This is telling them that if any kind of attack were to take place, we have the added "security" of our platform being up there. They would need to think twice before trying to attack us, and rest assured, we WOULD use use it IF WE NEEDED TO. This is not an offensice weapon. Only defensive.

(OOC: Which version of Orbiter are you using, and where did you find that mod with the delta rocket? Just curious, TG me the links if you have them...)

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~Dreaded third post, yeesh!

OOC: Your platform could be easily destroyed by a space nation. Besides, wouldn't the platform be detected when it fired? If it was, couldn't an enemy nation decuce its orbital path and thusly destroy it?

IC: While we are neutral in the Credonian-HP war, we are appalled at Credonia's policy of nuclear missile proliferation into space.

OOC: Your platform could be easily destroyed by a space nation. Besides, wouldn't the platform be detected when it fired? If it was, couldn't an enemy nation decuce its orbital path and thusly destroy it?

IC: While we are neutral in the Credonian-HP war, we are appalled at Credonia's policy of nuclear missile proliferation into space.

OOC: you probably could detect it but it still reduces the amount of reaction time the other side has, and sometimes, you wouldnt be able to detect it at all so there is no reaction, just getting hit, then reacting

Credonia: Would you make such platforms for us if we sent Allanean Arms weapons to help you fight your foes?

Credonia: Would you make such platforms for us if we sent Allanean Arms weapons to help you fight your foes?

TG me a list of what you have and i'll consider it

I, Emperor Jake of the Federation of Cassopia, declares that Credonia is too war-lorn for it's own good, and the ICBM's will just be a waste of money and time.

you dont know credonia, its position within the international community (were highly respected and have over 40 allies) and we have many terrorist enemies, both organizations and nations...were not "war-lorn", were on the defensive, increasing our security, and protecting the people.

OOC:
So I take it this is a stealth satalite? Because if you want to claim no one can shoot it down, you should OOCly detail it's systems and operational methods.

Remember, most folks in space will be tracking enything you put up there for, if nothing else, collosion avoidance; tracking the thermal plume from launch then extrapolating the post-burn orbital path based on observed launch telemetry alone could give away it's position, and anything watching from a higher orbit could see it's silloute against the Earth, confirming the exact location.

I have come up with some other near-future tracking methods despite being a dedicated space-tech nation, but they're hush-hush for now.

Credonia: Would you make such platforms for us if we sent Allanean Arms weapons to help you fight your foes?

TG me a list of what you have and i'll consider it

We produce:

"Anne-Coulter" Stealth Fighter-bombers
"Limbaugh-2" EMP bombs/warheads

Other are as follows
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124939

This is an outrage! This is just another attempt to gain military power! I damand that you stop youre I.C.B.M. now!

The Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia recognizes the right of Credonia to defend itself. However, we wish to caution the great nation that is Credonia to take some care as to the measures it takes, so as to not provoke other nations. After all, it is possible that a measure that Credonia intends to be purely defensive could be seen as agressive by others. That being said, the D.U.C.K.Y. does not consider itself threatened by Credonia's actions.

OOC: not necessarily. it adds a diminsion of stealth, and gives the nation being attacked probably less than half the reaction time that it would have to respond to a detected ground launched ICBM attack.

The problem is everyone can see an orbital platform. It's hard to hide something spinning around in space.

Actually, with all the space junk floating around, it would be extremely difficult to pinpoint one particular missile satellite until the ICBM had already penetrated the atmosphere.

EXACTLY, point proven ;-)

(OOC) Well I'l, admit it would be dificult to spot, but once it was spotted, every last Nation in earth would be tracking it's movement. If people knew something like that was up there, they would be scouring the sky for it's position and once that was known it would have the eficacy of a standard silo at several million times the cost and with considerably less survivability.
Of course thats assuming nobody was spying when you launched it into space in the first place, which is a given. Of course people are spying when you make a space launch.

(IC)This blatant act of agression means that Dyelli Beybi is forced to once again, strongly condemn Credonia's heavy handed policy of 'gunboat diplomacy'.

I'm kind of puzzled why you're using bombs- if you just put up flying crowbars, you can get the same yeild at about a tenth the technical investment that a full ICBM Platform costs, and they're plentifully effective... (Thor's Hammer-it's been tested in the 1960's with a small (2-meter) nickel-iron bar-the crater was impressively large) as well as being cheap, durable, and low-maintenance.

The United Socialist States of Radivostok also recognises that Credonia has a right to defend itself. However, we express our concerns over the possibility of problems with potential accidents that may occur from collision with debris.

Whilst we recognise that Credonia can adjust direction and orbital path to avoid satelites, debris can be harder to track and the government expresses worries about what could happen if this (basically) large hydrogen bomb came into collision with such elements. May we ask what safety features are implemented to prevent this?

Sincerely,

Radivostok Diplomatic Minister

The Emperor looked at the news of Credonias ICBM satellite and looked to the head of SOE, "I don't like te advantage that would give them. Don't you have a new toy that would take this down?"

"Yes sir, we just need to find it. Our space agency is working to pin-point it's path"

"Make it happen, i want that thing down soon"

OOC: Before you say anything there is a weapon i have that could take a sattelite down, more on it when i post the attack.

The Emperor looked at the news of Credonias ICBM satellite and looked to the head of SOE, "I don't like te advantage that would give them. Don't you have a new toy that would take this down?"

"Yes sir, we just need to find it. Our space agency is working to pin-point it's path"

"Make it happen, i want that thing down soon"

OOC: Before you say anything there is a weapon i have that could take a sattelite down, more on it when i post the attack.

OOC: It's entirely your business HH, but I would suggest caution. Most nations operate nuclear weapons on a "use them or lose them" basis - if Credonia finds its ICBM satellite under attack, there is a very real possibility he could use them.

OOC: It's entirely your business HH, but I would suggest caution. Most nations operate nuclear weapons on a "use them or lose them" basis - if Credonia finds its ICBM satellite under attack, there is a very real possibility he could use them.

OOC: He would no his sattelite was being attacked by its absense

OOC: All the same HH, surely you see there will be retaliation of some sort in the face of attacking this satellite, whether through conventional means or otherwise. Unless Credonia is a direct threat to you, I do not see the logic in shooting something down just because his toys are better than your toys.

OOC: All the same HH, surely you see there will be retaliation of some sort in the face of attacking this satellite, whether through conventional means or otherwise. Unless Credonia is a direct threat to you, I do not see the logic in shooting something down just because his toys are better than your toys.

OOC: There may be but i will be making sure that everynation on this planet now can sleep safer at night and anyway id his toy was so good would i be able to shoot it down. I'll wait for his response before i make the thread

To the Credonians:
Ultimatum:
This super weapon in space, what will it be used for? I fit is intended to fire on any one of the worlds of The Federation, Our fleets will anihhilate your orbital platform and your armed forces. If aimed at a leftist world/country, proceed, and 1 Billion marks to help you along.

Gerhart Munischtman, Minister of Armed Forces
Berlinn, Federation World: Atheos

"The Empire does not condone the arming of space-the wolrd's neutral area-with weapons of mass destruction. Although you are no threat to us, other nations may find that weapon to be a threat to national security. We do, however, find it too intolerable to proliferate nuclear weapons-who knows what madmen will get them? We ask that you do not sell any further ones."

-Tony Shen, Minister of Foriegn Affairs

I am offended. Our people have never sold any weapons of mass destruction to any other Sovereign body. However, we still do not beleive that weapons of such great power should be in space.

This weapon (one of an undisclosed number) shall be used as a last ditch weapon, in the unlikely event that Credonia be overrun, the nation over running Credonia will be surprised to find that our last attack upon them before we die fighting will ensure that if we go down, they are coming with us. If credonia really wanted to nuke a nation, we have plenty of warheads (over 20,000 in Credonia alone) based in hardened concrete silo's all over Credonia, not to mention the ones in the other Credonian territories. We can use them if we wanted. We have no intention of using the orbital platform as once you launch missles from it, its hard to "replace" the icbm's and the effort would be made public and most likely, some type of movement to stop it would take place.

Kanuckistan is largly unconcerned with the proliferation of WMD instalations in space, so long as they're not allowed to burn up in the atmosphere, and Credonia seem well beyond that level of incompotance.

The Donimion of Kanuckistan has maintained a constilation of over a hunderd similar satalites for over three hundred years, armed with multi-terajoule pulse lasers and batteries of nuclear-armed missiles in the 1 kiloton to 50 megaton range capible of striking targets anywhere within the Earth-Moon system, be they land, sea, or space; the only time they've ever been fired in all that time was to destroy a rouge comet.

(OOC: 144 large, well armoured and fairly regularly serviced platforms; we've never actually told anyone about them or where they are, but neither have we bothered to hide them(to have another tier of OWPs for that); if you've been tracking space activities with much intensity for more than a decade you probally can figure out where most of them are).

"The Empire looks down on Credonias philosphy of a last assault with nuclear weapons-should millions more than already will die, die? You would be the greatest mass murderer on the planet if you did such an attack"

-TOny Shen

were highly respected and have over 40 allies

I think you have a lot less now....

oh well..

oh well..

Seriously though tone it down, better to appear a victim than an agreessor.

*snorts at Credonia's attempts at forcing the status quo...*

Uh, Credonia, space is a little tight up there in orbit, so I think you should place the ICBM platform farther away or its gonna collide with a lot of satellites and space junk, including the remnants of one of my shipyards...

hey, im not the one gettin damn threats from anyeone, im well within my right to defend myself however i see fit especially under such pressure

The Republic of Agrigento also has such satellites, and we find it strange that the world's reaction came so swiftly and so harshly. Credonia has not, in our opinion, shown any negligence or willingness to commit mass genocide. These are going to be viewed as a deterrent.

Furthermore Agrigento has a very large, and very powerful nuclear arsenal. We have used it once, as retaliation, but have, and will never, think of them as a viable offensive option.

Orbital Launched Nuclear Missile Attack Platform, codenamed Aurora (http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/bilder/eurydice2.jpg)

We have an undisclosed number of these satellites in orbit, and a total orbital missile yield well in excess of 3,000 Re-entry vehicles.
________________________

http://www.angelfire.com/ill/agrigento/shield.BMP

Strategic Missile Forces
La Repubblica d'Agrigento

The Republic of Agrigento also has such satellites, and we find it strange that the world's reaction came so swiftly and so harshly. Credonia has not, in our opinion, shown any negligence or willingness to commit mass genocide.

IC: The Republic of Agrigento also doesn't have a large and well known history of Imperialism (or accused imperialism) under the guise of a 'war on terror' which often involves invading smaller countries that couldn't possibly support terrorism.

were highly respected and have over 40 allies

I think you have a lot less now....

UE: Really?

Agrigento: Would you like to supply me with such arms in exchange to Allanean Arms products?

were highly respected and have over 40 allies

I think you have a lot less now....

UE: Really?

Agrigento: Would you like to supply me with such arms in exchange to Allanean Arms products?

Very awesome pictures. What game did they come from?

We have a strict policy against the sale of our nuclear weaponry and secrets.

I think you all keep thinking that my attack on HLF had to do with the war on terror...it did not. We attacked to teach them a lesson. We went the diplomatic route as credonia has always done in its most eloquent fashion, and we never back down from our threats to take action and we upheld our "tradition" and followed up those threats of attack, with full attacks ONLY AFTER using diplomatic means in which were unsuccessful due to HLF's arrogance, and hotheadedness.