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LRR Military Projects (Stuff for sale)

Lunatic Retard Robots
10-03-2004, 02:41
(I apologize for the frequency of these posts, but so many people say; "Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!11 You never Rp'd it you can't have those my uber t-90s kill them all thats soo stuupid!!!!! And the really old ones are like; "These wimpy Newbs don't RP every single frickin' project that they do, they're so dumb!" So here it is- another LRR military projects thread.)

IC:

Several new projects have been undertaken in LRR. The first, which has been finished, is for a new high-mobility APC.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/vextra-giat4.jpg

The John Henry wheeled APC has been developed for the LRRA, the LRR army, because of their need for a light, high-mobility armored vehicle for use by the Uhlans and anti-tank infantry. The modified MT-LBs and M113s in LRRA use, essentially chunks of armor with anti-tank guns and missiles, do not really lend themselves to air transport, and rarely leave LRR.

The John Henry will be fully transportable by C-135, which will be able to carry two plus another small vehicle, and an Il-76, the basic LRR transport aircraft, will be able to carry three, the wide-bodied improved Il-79 able to carry four.

In terms of Armement, the John Henry will be no Bradley fodder. A bradley would be lucky to survive an encounter with one of these. The John Henry will be armed with a multitude of different weapons systems, which will be, with the aid of a crane, interchangable in under 10 minutes by a trained crew. The standard armement for the John Henry is a 30mm cannon turret with two ATGM launchers on the side. The 30mm cannon, the same used on the Warrior, is capable of engaging helicopters, light skinned vehicles, and defensive fortifications. The ATGM type is fully customizable, and can be swapped for SAM missiles. A laser rangefinder comes standard.

The second weapons module is a 140mm anti-armor cannon. The 140mm "Bradley Eater" has a rate of fire of 25 rounds/minute, and is fully trasversable and capable of engaging helicopters.

The third weapons module is an AMOS mortar, which all of you probably know about.

The fourth weapons module is a 10-cell HOT, Milan, or Spike launcher. It will have a telescoping sensors array, which will use optical and thermal detection, and thermal and limited LIDAR guidance. The sensors appendage extends 15ft upwards, to look over foliage and other cover. The missile cells can be oriented vertically or horizontally.

The fifth weapons module is a 10-cell starstreak SAM launcher.

The sixth module that the John Henry can carry is a six-litter ambulance compartment. The John Henry is one of the most versatile ambulence vehicles, being fast, amphibious, fully NBC sealed, and light. It makes an excellent crash recovery vehicle as well.

The John Henry will be equipped with an IR missile blinder, chaff and flare dispensers, and composite ER armor capable of withstanding 100mm mortar and 105mm cannon fire on all sides. This means that the APC will probably be pretty badly banged up after such a hit, but with luck most of the wheels will still be drive-capable. In the event of a penetration, the troop doors will blow off due to the explosion and increase the chances that some interior occupants will be blown free of the main force of the explosion, and possibly survive.

In terms of propulsion, the John Henry will use a hybrid gas/electric system, which gives the Henry unprecedented range and a greatly reduced thermal signature. The powerplant will comply with even the strictest emissions standards.

The John Henry can carry 10 fully equipped troops and three crew in the standard APC configuration (30mm cannon+ATGMs), or 7 fully equipped troops and four crew in the tank destroyer configuration (140mm cannon), or 6 casualties, three medics, and two crew in the ambulance version, or 8 firefighters and three crew in the crash recovery configuration (same as standard APC, except with high-pressure water nozzle/mister, and a prod for breaking the skin of a crashed aircraft).

http://www.army.lt/armor/gallery/V5.jpg

The John Henry tank destroyer.

The John Henry is one of the world's best wheeled APCs, with medical and civil capabilities not found in other vehicles.

Cost: 850,000-1,000,000 USD

The next new LRR project is for the new Frontal and Naval aviation fighter.

http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/04b.jpg

The MiG-29KI will be the next in the long line of LRR modified aircraft for Frontal Aviation. Dissatisfied with the EF-2000s that would have replaced the MiGs, or at least the MiG-21s in FA service, we have decided to modify the existing MiG-29s in service with LRR frontal aviation squadrons.

The first thing that will set the MiG-29KI apart from other aircraft will be its unique ejection seat. The L&F zero-zero S-3 ejection seat uses a set of shock absorbers in the seat to compensate for high g-loads, allowing the pilot to safely pull 11gs without starting to black out. The S-3 is able to safely eject the pilot at any airspeed up to the aircraft's maximum speed, and at any g-load where the pilot is consious. The seat features barometric parachute release if the pilot is unconsious, or manual release if the pilot is consious.

http://www.simpits.org/database/RealCockpits/mk10_seat.jpg

The L&F S-3 ejection seat, used on all LRR fighter aircraft.

The weapons, aquisition, and ECM systems on the MiG-29KI will also be of exceptional quality. The 29KI will have, in addition to the hard-hitting 30mm GSh-30L cannon, the ability to carry a wide range of ground attack munitions. The 29KI has been equipped with universal pylons which, with minimal tweaking, are able to carry almost all NATO and russian ground and air attack weapons. Air to air capability will also be exceptional, with the 29KI able to mount up to 10 AA-11 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/aa-11.htm) MOD short-range air to air missiles, with the addition of wingtip and fuselage pylons, or eight BVRAAM ramjet high-manouverability long-range fire and forget missiles.

The 29KI will have a multi-track radar with a range of over 200 miles at altitude. This radar will be able to track stealth at half of that range, and will also have exceptional ground detection capability.

The ECM systems on the 29KI will also be highly advanced, with an IR missile blinder, a highly advanced RWR, and an ECM system capable of defeating most independently-tracking radar air to air missiles.

The powerplant on the 29KI, two L&F RM-14 low-emission high-efficency turbofan engines, which give the 29KI a maximum speed of mach 2.3, and a maximum range of 2,500 mautical miles at altitude. The 29KI will use 360 degree thrust vectoring. The engines will also be fitted with thrust reversers to improve STOL characteristics.

The MiG-29KI will come in three versions:

Air Superiority/Strike: Armed with AA and AG munitions, single seater will be equipped with reinforced landing gear for landings on unprepared surfaces. Speed breaks will also be included.

Naval: Same as the air superiority/strike, but with a tailhook. The STOL characteristics of the 29KI allow it to take off under a full combat load from a Kuznetzov class carrier.

Trainer/Anti-ship: This two-seater has a greater combat payload, allowing it to carry two Konsberg NSMs or Yakhonts, or six Kormoran missiles. It will have a maximum speed of around Mach 1.7.

Most MiG-29KIs will go into service with Frontal Aviation, as the Super Gripens, MiG-31s, and Tornado IDSs in the interceptor/interdiction force more than satisfy their crews.

http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/06b.jpg

A MiG-29KI being assembled inside a Frontal Aviaion storage hangar.

http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/53b.jpg

The trainer/anti-ship version in flight.

Cost: 20,000,000 USD

The tried and true MiG-21 will also be given a serious overhaul.

http://www.mig.km.ru/photovideo/mig-21/mig-21-93.jpg

The MiG-21 has been a major part of frontal aviation fighter units from the start of the jet age. The MiG-21 went into service as an escort for A-1 skyraiders, and after they were withdrawn from service in 1985, for Super Jaguars. Soon, however, it became apparent that the Super Jaguars were more suitable escorts for the MiG-21, as far as avionics go.

The MiG-21 has, nontheless, served frontal aviation very well. The MiG-21 2000 program has been developed in order to keep this very reliable aircraft in service for at least a while longer.

First of all, the cockpit will recieve a major upgrade, with the addition of an S-3 ejection seat, and all new displays. LCD panels and touch screens will replace the old analog dials.

Also to be added is a fly-by-wire control system which will improve the aircraft's manouverability. The old L&F RM-6 turbojet will be replaced by a much newer and more efficent RM-11B turbofan, which gives the old MiG-21 a range of 1,200 miles at cruise speed.

Air-ground armement will stay mostly the same, with rocket and cannon pods forming the bulk of the 21's weapons load in that mission, but air-to-air armement will be heavily modified. Instead of the old AA-6s and AA-8s carried by the 21, the 21 2000 will be able to carry up to four AA-11 MOD archer missiles, greatly improving its combat ability.

Cost: 10,000,000 USD

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~kezhang/itp104/ka-52-1.jpg

The Ka-52 has been chosen for the task of replacing the old BO-105s and Fennecs from LRRA service. The Ka-52 will recieve the usual roundup of modifications, such as new engines, radar, and ejection seats. Just FYI.

http://warships.ru/Russia/Fighting_Ships/Aircraft_Carriers/pr.1143_(02).jpg

The LRRN has decided to build two Kuznetzov class carriers to fulfill the LRRN needs for more than one aircraft carrier. The Proud Mary and the Rubber Soul will be completed at the Gdansk shipyards by the end of the next few (RL) days.

The next LRR project is kind of neat.

http://warships.ru/Russia/Fighting_Ships/Missile_Boats/1239-2.jpg

The LRRN has comissioned the construction of 50-55 Bora II class corvettes, called Bora II because they use the same basic design, except with new radar, ECM, point defense weapons, and a mostly rebuilt hull. The Bora II will be used for both modern and futuretech in respective configurations.

The Bora II will have the regular multi-search radar found on the Skjold MOD class missile boats, with a range of over 100 miles and the ability to detect stealth.

The weapons systems on the Bora II are very hard-hitting. In addition to two Combined Defensive Mounts (goalkeeper and RAM) mounted in front of the bridge and on the stern, which have been shown to be able to, in theory at least, down any kind of ASM, able to engage 10 targets simultaneously per mount, there will be eight ASM silos, a 130mm cannon, and a SA-20 launcher. The Bora II's eight ASMs will most likely be SSN-27s or Konsberg NSM missiles, each with ranges exceeding 100 miles, longer if used in conjunction with a spotter drone, since the radar range of the Bora is likely to be detected by an enemy battlegroup. The Bora II will have IR missile blinders, chaff and flare launchers, and a very powerful ECM.

The SA-20s to be used by the bora are just plain old SA-20s, basically ship-board crosses between the AA-11 and AMRAAM.

The gun to be used on the Bora II will be a rapid-fire version of the "Bradley Eater Jr." used on AMX-30 tank destroyer vehicles. It has a range of around 16km and a rate of fire of 30 rounds per minute.

In addition to the AA/ASW weaponry on the Bora, they will mount four Type 613 torpedo tubes and an advanced sonar suite to allow the bora to go after enemy submarines.

The design of the Bora II is also highly revolutionary. It is made of a very light, strong, composite hull like that seen on the Skjold MOD, except larger. The Bora, like the Skjold, uses catamaran hulls and the ground effect to improve efficency of the drives and speed. The Bora II can reach a maximum speed of nearly 110 km/h, 20 km/h slower than the Skjold MOD/Skjold, which is both smaller and less heavily armed, but stealth and much easier to conceal. The Bora II will use the same base propulsiuon system as the Skjold MOD, using three L&F H-12 hybrid emissions filteredgas/electric turbines where the Skjold uses two.

The Bora is more like a frigate in terms of armement, and therefore a very powerful surface combatant. They will be an integral part of LRR coastal defense. The Bora II carries a crew of 85, compared to the Skjold MOD's 20, and has, while not as useful in high seas as the Skjold or Hauk patrol boat, still has very good medical and SAR capability.

We are sorry, but until about friday, these vessels cannot be purchased by anyone except Western Asia or ASDU members.

The most revolutionary project to be undertaken by LRR is for a battleship- yes, battleship. Two battleships will be built, based on the Iowa class, to supplement the long-range missile capability supplied by the four LRR Kirovs.

However, we need YOUR help to design these ships.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/bb-64-h97206k.jpg

The current design gives the ship nine 155 howitzers, mostly taken from ground units, as primary armerment, and eight ASM/cruise missile launchers as long-range armement. Four CDMs will be mounted on the current BB design, and it will have about the same radar as the Kirovs in LRR use. The top speed will have to exceed 20 knots, in order for it to keep up with the very fast-paced LRR surface warfare groups. The helipad in the back will hold a Ka-27 ASW helicopter, or an Mi-14 transport helicopter.

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/warminster/images/0123814.jpg

This photo shows two new constructions for the LRRA. The Warrior MOD IFV will replace the CV-90, since the CV-90 didn't have any missile capacity, and the Lynx is becoming the primary utility helicopter used by the Mechanized Infantry and marines.

The modified warrior to be used by the LRRA will use a hybrid gas/electric powerplant, like that found on the CV-90 except not as large. The Warrior MOD will have chaff and flare dispensers, and more technologically advanced missile protection will be provided by the pride of the Mechanized Infantry, the M113 and the MT-LB, which have had so much extra composite armor pasted onto them that they are hardly identifiable as their base vehicles by an untrained observer.

The Warrior MOD will be fast, fully NBC protected, and easy to transport.

The armement for the Warrior MOD is a 30mm cannon turret, like that found on LRR Scimitars and Wiesels (primary recon vehicles) as well as a pair of ATGM launchers on either side of the turret. The ATGMs can be either guided by the vehicle, or by infantry deployed from the vehicle.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/il-76-dfst9805918.jpg

The Il-76 has been LRR's primary transport type for most of the jet age, but it is in dire need of replacement. Overseas operations call for a much larger aircraft. The An-125 is not suitable for this role, as it is just too big and only used by the LRRAF in small numbers. The solution- upgrade the Il-76! Being the lazy robots we are, why build a new aircraft when you can make an old one better?

The Il-76 will be widened very perceptably, about two times its normal fuselage span, and lengthened 25 feet. This will be coupled with the re-mounting of the engines above the wings and the addition of much more powerful L&F RM-30 Turbofan engines. The purpose of the fuselage widening is to allow for the Il-79 (the upgraded Il-76) to carry four John Henry wheeled APCs. The Il-79 will also have many other roles besides transport. In airborne assault role, the Il-79 can carry up to 150 fully equipped paratroopers, or 180 fully equipped infantrymen. The full range of LRR light and medium armored vehicles can be carried by the Il-79, including the full range of ZIL series trucks, including the howitzer carrier, Land Rovers, Sabre light tanks, artillery pieces, BM-21 rocket launchers, John henry APCs in all configurations, BMP-Rs, -1s, and -2s, MBT-5s, and PT-91s.

The Il-80 will be a long-endurance AWACS aircraft for early warning over LRR. It will be equipped with a radar with a 250 mile range at altitude, and a very powerful ECM. The radar, mounted E-3 style, will be able to pick up stealth aircraft and cruise missiles, and relay that data to SA-20 and -21 silos on the ground for a more effective interception, not reliant on ground-based stations.

The Il-81 will be a tanker version of the Il-79. An Il-79 can be converted into an Il-81 by simply loading a fuel tank into the cargo bay, and adding the appropriate in-flight refueling drogues.

The Il-82 is a near-completed ABM platform, which will operate at high altitudes with the purpose of intercepting ballistic missiles. The Il-82 will be equipped with a nose-mounted laser, and 10 SA-22 ABM missiles mounted vertically in the cargo bay.

The Il-83 is a long-range surveillance aircraft, much like the american EC-135. It has a series of gamma-ray detectors and other radiation-sensitive devices onboard to monitor nuclear explosions.

The Il-84 is a JSTARS type of aircraft, which is used to detect and track the movements of ground units across the battlefield. Horizon helicopters also perform this duty.

Cost: 40,000,000 for basic transport (other versions up soon)
105,000,000 for AWACS
70,000,000 for Tanker
ABM not for sale
100,000,000 for ELINT version
105,000,000 for JSTARS

The next LRR project is for a new patrol/missile boat, smaller than the Bora and Skjold but bigger than the Hauk.

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/korvett_stockholm.jpg

The Stockholm class missile boats will be built by the Gdansk shipyards, 25 in total. They will operate one per squadron of Hauks (a hauk squadron is five boats) and provide the small coastal patrol boats with heavier anti-ship and anti-aircraft capability.

Attempts to mount CDMs on Hauks have all failed, because the relatively large goalkeeper 2 and RAM combination is hard to find space for on the small Hauk. The mounting of a CDM on the back of a Hauk makes it necessary to almost totally rebuild the rear structure of the boat, something that we aren't about to do.

But since most nations, LRRN research groups have figured, would probably consider any losses incurred by these small boats, armed with one 40mm cannon, two SA-23 shoulder-launched SAM batteries, and a pair of ASM launchers as either unlikely or ignorable.

The Stockholm is meant to change that. While the Hauk is an all-purpose coastal craft, the Stockholm can carry eight long-range anti-ship missiles or anti-aircraft missiles, as well as a 40mm deck cannon and CDM. The Stockholm will be fully NBC protected, and equipped with a state-of-the-art ECM and radar, as well as a UAV launcher to deploy Piver II spotter UAVs.

The Piver II has a range of 400 kilometers, and an endurance of 10 hours. The Piver II is launched like a missile from a standard universal launcher, and once it reaches patrol altitude, it deploys its wings. The Piver II is mainly used for missile guidance, where the missile boat would launch the piver, which would pick up enemy ships independent of the missile boat itself. The ASMs would then be launched, guided towards their targets by the drone's radar, while the missile boat itself would quickly leave the scene.

The Stockholm will also have limited ASW capability with two type 613 torpedos and a good sonar suite.

The L&F HL-10 hybrid gas/electric drive used on the Stockholm will be abvle to supply a maximum speed of 47 knots, with a very low thermal signature.

The stockholm itself will be coated in radar absorbent materials to greatly lowet its radar signature, and noise dampers will be included for silent operations. One of these would either be used to launch missiles from a safe distance at an invading battlegroup, or to disrupt an invasion, in cooperation with other patrol and missile boats, land-based artillery and missile batteries, and ground troops. A stockholm would sneak in among a group of landing craft, and start blowing them apart with 40mm and goalkeeper fire.

Cost: 30,000,000 USD

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dagger/images/dagger1.jpg

The next LRR project is for a coastal special operations/surveillance submarine. The Sea Dagger will fulfill LRRN needs for such a craft.

The Sea Dagger will be used in many forms, but the two major ones will be diver deployment and recovery and surveillance.

In the diver deployment/recovery role, the Sea Dagger will be able to carry up to six divers, with a crew of four for up to eight days submerged.

In the surveillance role, the Sea Dagger will be able to carry five crew for up to 20 days submerged. In this role, carried sensors will be side-scan sonar, passive sonar, a passive UHF monitor that can be launched from 50 feet down, and an ROV. The surveillance version will be used for environmental patrol and ASW, and the diver deployment/recovery version will be used for delivery of SCUBA teams to either military or civil/scientific tasks. The Sea Dagger will be coated in a thick rubber for dissipating active sonar, and its fuel cell propulsion gives it very good endurance for a submarine of its size. It is a slow vehicle, but nontheless very useful, even if it is no match to any attack submarines.

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/632000/63_bpictures/HV-63=LR5=sl.1.jpg

We are also developing a next-generation submarine rescue vehicle. The LR6 is LRR's newest high-pressure deep-diving submarine for rescues off other subs. It will be able to operate either off of the LRRN's many salvage and rescue vessels, or off Bremen class frigates.

The LR6 can arrive to a submarine rescue anywhere in the world in 12 hours. Transportable by Il-79, it can reach almost anywhere. The U-212 series attack submarines can also carry the LR6 on their hull.

The LR6 is equipped with an ROV to perform reconnisance of the wrecked submarine before the LR6 itself docks with the sub. The ROV is teathered to the LR6 by a high-strength bundle of cable, both electric and fiber-optic. The ROV can send back real-time color images of the sub wreck to the monitor aboard the LR6, and can go up to 300 feet away from its mothership.

The LR6 has an extendable skirt which seals to the hull of a submarine if the escape hatch is at an angle to the hull of the LR6, and it can carry up to 15 survivors at once. The LR6 can make up to 10 trips before its batteries need recharging.

http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft7X/FRHeft77/FRH7705/FR7705b1.JPG

The HFB 320 Hansa is being adopted by the LRRAF as the primary diplomatic transport aircraft. It will also be used as a survey aircraft like variants of the C-135. In this configuration, it will be equipped with photographic and radar pods.

Cost: 25,000,000

http://www.mikojan.hotbox.ru/html/other/steinhoff/foto/f-104+mig-29.jpg

A shot of two interceptors- the F-104 and MiG-29KI. The F-104 was used by the LRRAF as the primary interceptor since 1962. It has soldiered on ever since, but has been replaced in droves by Super Gripens and MiG-29KIs. The LRRAF currently operates only 15 F-104Ss are used by the LRRAF, mostly as group mascot aircraft. The remaining starfighters are regarded as pieces of artwork, with their unique and carefully-applied colorful and flamboyant paintjobs.

http://www.ma-files.it/p_air/riat-91/riat-91-07.jpg

Cost: 10,000,000 USD
+2,000 USD for custom paintjob
Lunatic Retard Robots
11-03-2004, 02:53
Bump for the wide world of Il-76s!
The Wondrous Cherubs
11-03-2004, 03:03
LRR, we still have that lighter attack helicopter project going right? (This is Zoogie by the way)...You're welcome to use my regional message boards here (http://zoogie-isles.board.dk3.com/2/) if you wish, or even NS, though it's a bit slow.

PS - Nice products...I think the cargo at $15 million is a bit cheap, though.
The Wondrous Cherubs
11-03-2004, 03:03
LRR, we still have that lighter attack helicopter project going right? (This is Zoogie by the way)...You're welcome to use my regional message boards here (http://zoogie-isles.board.dk3.com/2/) if you wish, or even NS, though it's a bit slow.

PS - Nice products...I think the cargo at $15 million is a bit cheap, though.
The Wondrous Cherubs
11-03-2004, 03:04
LRR, we still have that lighter attack helicopter project going right? (This is Zoogie by the way)...You're welcome to use my regional message boards here (http://zoogie-isles.board.dk3.com/2/) if you wish, or even NS, though it's a bit slow.

PS - Nice products...I think the cargo at $15 million is a bit cheap, though.
The Wondrous Cherubs
11-03-2004, 03:05
LRR, we still have that lighter attack helicopter project going right? (This is Zoogie by the way)...You're welcome to use my regional message boards here (http://zoogie-isles.board.dk3.com/2/) if you wish, or even NS, though it's a bit slow.

PS - Nice products...I think the cargo at $15 million is a bit cheap, though.
The Wondrous Cherubs
11-03-2004, 03:13
LRR, we still have that lighter attack helicopter project going right? (This is Zoogie by the way)...You're welcome to use my regional message boards here (http://zoogie-isles.board.dk3.com/2/) if you wish, or even NS, though it's a bit slow.

PS - Nice products...I think the cargo at $15 million is a bit cheap, though.
Lunatic Retard Robots
12-03-2004, 01:02
Woah! That's like, a five times post!

But anyway- the 15 million- well, its just a transport plane. You put stuff in it and fly off, not a very complicated process.
Crookfur
12-03-2004, 12:23
OOC: good ideas on all the stuff but a few comments:

For the warrior, why not repalce the 30mm RARDEN with either the new BAE systems 40mm upgrade weapon or one of the alrger bushmasters although to be perfectly honest there is little difference perfromance wise between 30x170mm RARDEN and 30x173mm GAU8, esspecially if you can bring yourself to develope the much demanded APFSDS or FAPDS rounds for the RARDEN so the only worthwhile bushmaster weapons would be the 35mm or the 40mm or 50mm supershot weapons.
but then you use rarden for everything so thats cool (i would do the same but airfroce is too absessed with thier GAU8 avenger guns, perhaps you might be interested developing in aircraft mounted cannons using rarden?).

I would also say upgrade your scimitars to sabres, not much difference but a bit easier to use and of a lower profile (apparently)

As for your battleship, well unless it is going to be very small 9 155mm (6.1") howitzers aren't goign to cut the mustard even if they are of the AGS style.
To be honest going for an Iowa based vessel the 16" do fine as primary weapons (perhaps backed by 8-10 155s) but you coudl always scale those down to 14" and add a higher rate of fire, oh and unless you totally thrash the enines the IOWA can do 30kts easily
perhaps you could ditch 2 of the 3 priamry turrets to give you lots of room for some mega VLS's (possibly reloadable as most of a priamry turrets parts are under the deck), you might even be able to get a couple of trident tubes in there...


As for the rpice of the Il-79 it is a mite underpriced, i think herks cost a bit mroe than that, and large jet transports are actually more complicated than jets (i mean just about all the former soviet countries can biuld and design fighters but none can do big transports) as you have the massively complicated structure to hold all the weight, the 4 eninges, the numerous APUs plus the fact that all your fuel lines and control limks have to routed around the cargo bay.


Just soem radom warblings so feel free to ignore them.
Lunatic Retard Robots
13-03-2004, 03:32
OOC: good ideas on all the stuff but a few comments:

For the warrior, why not repalce the 30mm RARDEN with either the new BAE systems 40mm upgrade weapon or one of the alrger bushmasters although to be perfectly honest there is little difference perfromance wise between 30x170mm RARDEN and 30x173mm GAU8, esspecially if you can bring yourself to develope the much demanded APFSDS or FAPDS rounds for the RARDEN so the only worthwhile bushmaster weapons would be the 35mm or the 40mm or 50mm supershot weapons.
but then you use rarden for everything so thats cool (i would do the same but airfroce is too absessed with thier GAU8 avenger guns, perhaps you might be interested developing in aircraft mounted cannons using rarden?).

I would also say upgrade your scimitars to sabres, not much difference but a bit easier to use and of a lower profile (apparently)

As for your battleship, well unless it is going to be very small 9 155mm (6.1") howitzers aren't goign to cut the mustard even if they are of the AGS style.
To be honest going for an Iowa based vessel the 16" do fine as primary weapons (perhaps backed by 8-10 155s) but you coudl always scale those down to 14" and add a higher rate of fire, oh and unless you totally thrash the enines the IOWA can do 30kts easily
perhaps you could ditch 2 of the 3 priamry turrets to give you lots of room for some mega VLS's (possibly reloadable as most of a priamry turrets parts are under the deck), you might even be able to get a couple of trident tubes in there...


As for the rpice of the Il-79 it is a mite underpriced, i think herks cost a bit mroe than that, and large jet transports are actually more complicated than jets (i mean just about all the former soviet countries can biuld and design fighters but none can do big transports) as you have the massively complicated structure to hold all the weight, the 4 eninges, the numerous APUs plus the fact that all your fuel lines and control limks have to routed around the cargo bay.


Just soem radom warblings so feel free to ignore them.

As for the Warriors, well, we give the local units a lot of freedom in what they want to mount. There are MT-LBs with 140mm anti-tank guns in some units, with stolen challenger turrets and stuff. I dunno. Whatever works.

Scimitars, sabres, mostly the same thing. I'll keep that in mind, though. But all this british stuff- well, the warrior and sabre are really good, and I like them a lot (thats why the LRRA uses the warrior and the LRRMC uses the sabre and a ton of other british stuff) but the mechanized infantry doesn't mess around when it comes to APCs. The APC crews will probably be kind of humiliated to be seen with the Warriors when they have covered their vehicles in all kinds of modifications. But still, I think the LRRA/LRRMC/LRRN/LRRAF/LRRSF/LRRCG (LRRN) is where I want it to be.

The battleships, well, yeah the bigger guns would be good. But missiles, they'll be provided by the Kirovs for the most part. The eight ASM launchers will be either self-contained VLS cells or in slava-like silos.

But you won't be seeing any Warriors, MT-LBs, M-113s, Ikv-92s, Twardys, or any other of the LRR crazy vehicles internationally.

As for the Il-79, I'll change the price in a bit.

But you will be able to see these:

http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/buzzard_wmik1.jpg
Lunatic Retard Robots
13-03-2004, 03:33
OOC: good ideas on all the stuff but a few comments:

For the warrior, why not repalce the 30mm RARDEN with either the new BAE systems 40mm upgrade weapon or one of the alrger bushmasters although to be perfectly honest there is little difference perfromance wise between 30x170mm RARDEN and 30x173mm GAU8, esspecially if you can bring yourself to develope the much demanded APFSDS or FAPDS rounds for the RARDEN so the only worthwhile bushmaster weapons would be the 35mm or the 40mm or 50mm supershot weapons.
but then you use rarden for everything so thats cool (i would do the same but airfroce is too absessed with thier GAU8 avenger guns, perhaps you might be interested developing in aircraft mounted cannons using rarden?).

I would also say upgrade your scimitars to sabres, not much difference but a bit easier to use and of a lower profile (apparently)

As for your battleship, well unless it is going to be very small 9 155mm (6.1") howitzers aren't goign to cut the mustard even if they are of the AGS style.
To be honest going for an Iowa based vessel the 16" do fine as primary weapons (perhaps backed by 8-10 155s) but you coudl always scale those down to 14" and add a higher rate of fire, oh and unless you totally thrash the enines the IOWA can do 30kts easily
perhaps you could ditch 2 of the 3 priamry turrets to give you lots of room for some mega VLS's (possibly reloadable as most of a priamry turrets parts are under the deck), you might even be able to get a couple of trident tubes in there...


As for the rpice of the Il-79 it is a mite underpriced, i think herks cost a bit mroe than that, and large jet transports are actually more complicated than jets (i mean just about all the former soviet countries can biuld and design fighters but none can do big transports) as you have the massively complicated structure to hold all the weight, the 4 eninges, the numerous APUs plus the fact that all your fuel lines and control limks have to routed around the cargo bay.


Just soem radom warblings so feel free to ignore them.

As for the Warriors, well, we give the local units a lot of freedom in what they want to mount. There are MT-LBs with 140mm anti-tank guns in some units, with stolen challenger turrets and stuff. I dunno. Whatever works.

Scimitars, sabres, mostly the same thing. I'll keep that in mind, though. But all this british stuff- well, the warrior and sabre are really good, and I like them a lot (thats why the LRRA uses the warrior and the LRRMC uses the sabre and a ton of other british stuff) but the mechanized infantry doesn't mess around when it comes to APCs. The APC crews will probably be kind of humiliated to be seen with the Warriors when they have covered their vehicles in all kinds of modifications. But still, I think the LRRA/LRRMC/LRRN/LRRAF/LRRSF/LRRCG (LRRN) is where I want it to be.

The battleships, well, yeah the bigger guns would be good. But missiles, they'll be provided by the Kirovs for the most part. The eight ASM launchers will be either self-contained VLS cells or in slava-like silos.

But you won't be seeing any Warriors, MT-LBs, M-113s, Ikv-92s, Twardys, or any other of the LRR crazy vehicles internationally.

As for the Il-79, I'll change the price in a bit.

But you will be able to see these:

http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/buzzard_wmik1.jpg
Lunatic Retard Robots
13-03-2004, 03:34
OOC: good ideas on all the stuff but a few comments:

For the warrior, why not repalce the 30mm RARDEN with either the new BAE systems 40mm upgrade weapon or one of the alrger bushmasters although to be perfectly honest there is little difference perfromance wise between 30x170mm RARDEN and 30x173mm GAU8, esspecially if you can bring yourself to develope the much demanded APFSDS or FAPDS rounds for the RARDEN so the only worthwhile bushmaster weapons would be the 35mm or the 40mm or 50mm supershot weapons.
but then you use rarden for everything so thats cool (i would do the same but airfroce is too absessed with thier GAU8 avenger guns, perhaps you might be interested developing in aircraft mounted cannons using rarden?).

I would also say upgrade your scimitars to sabres, not much difference but a bit easier to use and of a lower profile (apparently)

As for your battleship, well unless it is going to be very small 9 155mm (6.1") howitzers aren't goign to cut the mustard even if they are of the AGS style.
To be honest going for an Iowa based vessel the 16" do fine as primary weapons (perhaps backed by 8-10 155s) but you coudl always scale those down to 14" and add a higher rate of fire, oh and unless you totally thrash the enines the IOWA can do 30kts easily
perhaps you could ditch 2 of the 3 priamry turrets to give you lots of room for some mega VLS's (possibly reloadable as most of a priamry turrets parts are under the deck), you might even be able to get a couple of trident tubes in there...


As for the rpice of the Il-79 it is a mite underpriced, i think herks cost a bit mroe than that, and large jet transports are actually more complicated than jets (i mean just about all the former soviet countries can biuld and design fighters but none can do big transports) as you have the massively complicated structure to hold all the weight, the 4 eninges, the numerous APUs plus the fact that all your fuel lines and control limks have to routed around the cargo bay.


Just soem radom warblings so feel free to ignore them.

As for the Warriors, well, we give the local units a lot of freedom in what they want to mount. There are MT-LBs with 140mm anti-tank guns in some units, with stolen challenger turrets and stuff. I dunno. Whatever works.

Scimitars, sabres, mostly the same thing. I'll keep that in mind, though. But all this british stuff- well, the warrior and sabre are really good, and I like them a lot (thats why the LRRA uses the warrior and the LRRMC uses the sabre and a ton of other british stuff) but the mechanized infantry doesn't mess around when it comes to APCs. The APC crews will probably be kind of humiliated to be seen with the Warriors when they have covered their vehicles in all kinds of modifications. But still, I think the LRRA/LRRMC/LRRN/LRRAF/LRRSF/LRRCG (LRRN) is where I want it to be.

The battleships, well, yeah the bigger guns would be good. But missiles, they'll be provided by the Kirovs for the most part. The eight ASM launchers will be either self-contained VLS cells or in slava-like silos.

But you won't be seeing any Warriors, MT-LBs, M-113s, Ikv-92s, Twardys, or any other of the LRR crazy vehicles internationally.

As for the Il-79, I'll change the price in a bit.

But you will be able to see these:

http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/buzzard_wmik1.jpg
North Germania
14-03-2004, 00:15
LRR: We'd like to help you finalize the construction of the Warrior MOD IFV.

If you agree, TG me or something.

- N.G.
The Zoogie People
14-03-2004, 00:37
Sorry :oops: I use Internet Explorer once, it gives me the error pages...oops ;)
Crookfur
14-03-2004, 00:41
LRR: its all cool m8
personally the Crookfur way is to search for a optimum (or nice looking) solution and then standardise it to everyone (bar our top spec ops units who get what they want but tend to use OPFOR weapons when they are compartitively useful) but we do have soem odd things in use (like a C2 greyhound gunship...)

Well it is a given that land rovers totally rock.
Lunatic Retard Robots
14-03-2004, 03:41
LRR special forces, er....well, we don't really have that many. The closest thing to special forces in LRR is the black watch, which is pretty much a heavy assault infantry regiment. What we worry about is defeating special operations. The thought of a camo-faced man sneaking into an LRR base and sticking explosives on our prized heavily-decorated F-104s, or the more mainstream MiG-29s and Super Gripens just sends shivers up any pilot's back.

That's why we have devised active gaurding. The gaurds will patrol the area to be gaurded in force, and a lot more actively than just standing around.

In other news, a new element of basic training for LRR marines has been added.

http://www.ozcapoeira.com/pictures/performances/fitnessfirst/IMG_0142.jpg

Capoeira has been selected by the marine brass as the basic physical fitness program for that service. It has been selected over other martial arts and combat techniques because it has shown in tests that it, coupled with the standard freeform martial arts used by marines, is more effective in improving flexibility, strength, and unarmed combat effectiveness.

http://www.ozcapoeira.com/pictures/social/girls/IMG_3403.jpg

A marine in her down time.

http://www.ozcapoeira.com/pictures/floreios/floreios%20(3).jpg

A marine in training.

http://www.ozcapoeira.com/pictures/rodas/syd_we/syd_we18.JPG

A pair of marines ready to engage.

http://www.grvitalia.com/fotogallery/milano020700lupo/capoeira.jpg

A group of marines gathered around near a training facility. The atmosphere relfects the lax disciplinary codes in the LRRMC.
Lunatic Retard Robots
20-03-2004, 05:27
Aren't my marines the coolest?
Lunatic Retard Robots
20-03-2004, 17:44
Bump for the HF 320 and custom-painted F-104!
Lunatic Retard Robots
21-03-2004, 00:59
You know you want a Hansa.