NationStates Jolt Archive

ooc stuff, you know the drill

summary of sides

The war on terror participants
Huzen Hagen
Holy Panooly
Stevid
British Navy
Old Brittania

Coailition of evil
credonia
independant hitmen
aust
austica union
midlonia
hogsweat

OOC : But Credonia is completely ignoring your invasion

OOC : But Credonia is completely ignoring your invasion

Well alot of stuff, such as the justifacation he wants has come up since. If he comes back online and says again hes ignoring us (which i will take as cowerdice(sp?)) then i will stop.

Could you point me to that justification? Although, I suppose the whold thing with Terrorist Alliance could be classed as justification, in some people's opinions.

OOC: Why would Credonia ignore a legit invasion, Monte Castello?

Could you point me to that justification? Although, I suppose the whold thing with Terrorist Alliance could be classed as justification, in some people's opinions.

in one of the other threads. Basicly our own war on terror against Credonia

OOC: Why would Credonia ignore a legit invasion, Monte Castello?

Because he publically stated that he would ignore any invasion thread against him if he was not provided with justification for the attack.

thats just stupid i could just want his land and money

thats just stupid i could just want his land and money

Well, that's just what he said anyway.

Justification for attacking Credonia:
Previous attacks against 'terrorist' nations such as the HLF.
A fear that the attacker's nation might be next.
Credonian force deployments to waters near TW.
Objections to Credonian foreign policies.
A preemptive strike to take out Credonian nuclear weapons.
Fear of Credonia's growing power.
Revenge for a Credonian attack on allies/friends (HLF?)

OOC: Those were just some reasons to try and justify an attack against Credonia. Now granted I wouldn't attack (Primarily because I feel that going to war over Credonia's policy is a waste of time) but others have threatened to. I just want to see a good RP develope.

Those are some justifications that I posted elsewhere.

the only clear reason credonia has for ignoring the attack is that all his allys have not rushed to his aid and theres the fact he'll probably lose

OOC: Im going to stand by Credonia. Where is the main thread?? I will also be talking to my big allies at school tomorrow for simliar support.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129647

dont you 2 billion nations ever get tired of ganging up on somone making a legitimate attack? It just takes the fun out of the game. If you make Credonia an you allies, who seem to be just about every other small nation, untoachable whats the point? The Invasion as it stands is already stacked against us. Why bother?

dont you 2 billion nations ever get tired of ganging up on somone making a legitimate attack? It just takes the fun out of the game. If you make Credonia an you allies, who seem to be just about every other small nation, untoachable whats the point? The Invasion as it stands is already stacked against us. Why bother?

Credonia is already my ally. The nation has been for several months now. We are planning on building a military base there in the near future. and ive only just reached 2 bill :P. (My deployments will not be very large, i will need to defend my homeland incase somebody gets the idea of trying to take me out.)

By all his allies do u mean the ones who arent online?

Also you have yet to answer my previous questions on how he is known to be linked to the terrorist alliance?

First.

There is no rule, written or otherwise, in NationStates that stops a player from ignoring anyone he wants.

Second.

Those two billion nations are spoiling for a fight. They've waited so long to crush nations at their slightest whims. If you don't want them involved, ignore them, simple as that.

OOC: 2 Billion + nations aren't invlunerable. You just have to compensate for their numbers with superior tactics. Of course, most 2 billion+ nations don't like to lose, so you can expect them to work hard at minimizing disadvantages.

By all his allies do u mean the ones who arent online?

Also you have yet to answer my previous questions on how he is known to be linked to the terrorist alliance?

if you look at the TA's recent posts he does so as Credonia. Credonia later admitted that he had taken control of the TA

First.

There is no rule, written or otherwise, in NationStates that stops a player from ignoring anyone he wants.

Second.

Those two billion nations are spoiling for a fight. They've waited so long to crush nations at their slightest whims. If you don't want them involved, ignore them, simple as that.

This 2 billion plus nation is looking for a good rp where he can flex his muscles. Also CF is right it is possible to defeat large nations with superior tactics, although i wont go as far as saying you can take me over. Logistics for that would be impossible!

if i were to use some of the nations i have obtained (not bought or puppets) i would number about 1.6 billion but i dont think that makes for good rping

my major allies at school dont rp much so they would give me command of their armies. They are mostly over 2 billion tho and there is about 5 of them.

i smell a suicidall attack. would be fun. not making any threats but my ships could do some serious damage

Dont suicide me! go for Credonia i will send limited forces to help him. My allies will hang back incase there are any attacks against me. Ok that doesnt ruinn the Rp and gets me in on it!

Remember, big armies like that would be a logistical nightmare. It would give you an edge HH. Not to mention the supply lines that would be needed to keep such a massive force fed and armed...

Think less like a general who is in command of a modern, well armed force and more like a general who has to use alternative tactics to survive. A guerrilla or 'Terrorist' general for instance.

i meant it as a joke, suicide ment me hrowing everything ive got at you and seeing how far id get. i will go for credonia so long as he dosent attack

Actually the logisitics of the NS world make invasions very very diffcult.

To be honest you need one nation doing the fighting and another nation doing pure lgostics to have real chance.

Of course there are certain practicalities that make thigns even worse:
You are effectively limited to carrier borne aircraft a tthe end of a very long supply chain where as the defender has land based aircraft sitting on top of thier bases.
Even with super computers etc the sheer amount of stuff people like to chuck around becomes physically impossible, there is only so much airspace above a nation so expect your air tasking officers to have a nervous breakdown about once a day. Of course the fact that youa re limited to only so many avilable radio channels makes things worse (and to think that the Americans had huge problems in Iraq when they ran out of frequencies for thier CAS planes...).

Naval warfare is a bit easier (esspecailly battleships) as they are intedned to operate for long times without support but even still it can be diffuclt to reload your VLSs under fire...

my navy has some of the most leathal ships on the seas so neutralizing credonias navy should not be a major task

Maybe but your lethal ships may not stand up to a large dosage of USIH Harpoons and Exocets :). Also if u havnt noticed Credonia hasnt astually replied to Stevid's invasion. he did a bit of a godmod by saying that there was no resistance to his massed bomber reaid. I know that patriots would have taken down a fair amount of bombers before being destroyed! and his fighters would probably have taken a load down too.

OOC: Careful, Credonia frequently boasts about his large amount of nuclear weapons. I would hate to see this RP devolve into a boring old nuke war.

Maybe but your lethal ships may not stand up to a large dosage of USIH Harpoons and Exocets :)

oh yes they could. My Battle groups 7 of them of Credonia are made up of new ship based on WW2 ships or projects. Ships were designed to withstand at least 16" shells

Still they are going to catch light when an explosive warhead hits them! Especially quite a few times!

OOC: Careful, Credonia frequently boasts about his large amount of nuclear weapons. I would hate to see this RP devolve into a boring old nuke war.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123723&highlight=
nuf said

Think less like a general who is in command of a modern, well armed force and more like a general who has to use alternative tactics to survive. A guerrilla or 'terrorist' general for instance.

OOC:
Covert operations and espionage is more effective than guerilla warfare by a long shot. Let us take a previous example of one of my roleplays.

Two nations, Seversky and the Federal Union, had high tensions between them. Doujin, in the conflict, is at Seversky's side. My forces attacked Doujin under the banner of the Federal Union and with a broadcast on all frequencies saying that they're from the Federal Union. Seversky declared war and mutiliated the Federal Union. My total losses, only fourteen aircraft, used to attack Doujin. In character, no one was able to tie the incident to me, since it was executed so well. Logistics, for fourteen aircraft, is easy compared to what large nations wield.

You have to be sly, backstab and cheat, no one said the road to victory had to be clean.

it takes at least a dozen missiles to sink a carrier and battleships are barely affected

SOunds like a big fat target for patriots or fighter planes. Plus it looks like it as well.

SOunds like a big fat target for patriots or fighter planes. Plus it looks like it as well.

is they can hit something as fast as this

-tag-
I want to get involved...
But what exactly do you want me to post here?

SOunds like a big fat target for patriots or fighter planes. Plus it looks like it as well.

is they can hit something as fast as this

There is no mention of speed on the thread :P

thought there was. sustained speed of several thousand miles per hour

Can't get involved until tonight, guys.
Friends birthday party, out for 6 or so hours.
Don't go nuclear before I get at least ONE shot off! :D

thought there was. sustained speed of several thousand miles per hour#

Ok then only a target for patriots with software upgrades! (read Tom Clancy's Bear and the Dragonm, they can hit ICBM's reentering atmosphere with Ship bourne version of the patriot)

if it goes nuclear ill fire nukes at anyone who has declared support for Credonia

Think less like a general who is in command of a modern, well armed force and more like a general who has to use alternative tactics to survive. A guerrilla or 'terrorist' general for instance.

OOC:
Covert operations and espionage is more effective than guerilla warfare by a long shot. Let us take a previous example of one of my roleplays.

Two nations, Seversky and the Federal Union, had high tensions between them. Doujin, in the conflict, is at Seversky's side. My forces attacked Doujin under the banner of the Federal Union and with a broadcast on all frequencies saying that they're from the Federal Union. Seversky declared war and mutiliated the Federal Union. My total losses, only fourteen aircraft, used to attack Doujin. In character, no one was able to tie the incident to me, since it was executed so well. Logistics, for fourteen aircraft, is easy compared to what large nations wield.

You have to be sly, backstab and cheat, no one said the road to victory had to be clean.

Like I said, alternative tactics. :wink:

if it goes nuclear ill fire nukes at anyone who has declared support for Credonia

If it goes nuclear you will get wiped off the face of the planet. I hope it doesnt as it could cause serious inconvenience to all concerned.

thought there was. sustained speed of several thousand miles per hour#

Ok then only a target for patriots with software upgrades! (read Tom Clancy's Bear and the Dragonm, they can hit ICBM's reentering atmosphere with Ship bourne version of the patriot)

dont patriots only have a 15% chance of hitting an incoming ICBM

If it goes nuclear, just about all involved parties are screwed.

if it goes nuclear ill fire nukes at anyone who has declared support for Credonia

If it goes nuclear you will get wiped off the face of the planet. I hope it doesnt as it could cause serious inconvenience to all concerned.

but ill take alot of people with me

In RL yeah. I think this one fired 8 missiles to get it. But with larger nations who have a lot of money (ie Me :P) they would have researched improvements :). Plus youd probably have quite a few firing which would increase the hit chance unless they killed each others missiles!

aaaaaaanyway. The main advantage is its almost unlimited range and ability to render vast areas of land unihabitable

bump

[code:1:4f4e147345] THE ADMIRALTY OF BRITISH NAVY STANDS READY TO ARMS FOR YOU HUZEN HAGEN. WE WILL DEFEND YOU WIPE THE FLOOR WITH CREDONIA.[/code:1:4f4e147345]

I'm back in the action

So, is this thread dead?

I do believe that it has moved to the actual war thread.

Which one? There are two! :(

Which one? There are two! :(

I am only aware of one! Can someone put both links here so i can tag em??

Which one? There are two! :(

Which one? There are two! :(

this one and the 'The war with credonia has begun thread' our the main ones

bump for the allys and enemy list

bump for new conflict

with this thread you may aswell add the Greater Empire of Midlonia (GEM for short) to your laughable "Co-allition of Evil" List

double post

fine. *chalks midlonia onto "THE LIST"*

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you wanna go suzy? huh, one on one

HAHAHAHAHA he's gonna conquer 3 1 billion nations! this is most amusing...

you wanna go suzy? huh, one on one

ya sure same rules as this no Atomic weapons etc etc.. (inc chemical, acigoo etc......)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

HAHAHAHAHA he's gonna conquer 3 1 billion nations! this is most amusing...
i never said i'd do it on my own of course, besides i have nearly 1.3 billion in the GEM so i am pretty confident in itself

so HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH most amusing to your self HP well done for looking an idiot (again)

3 times 1 billion is still 3 billion. Take some math lessons little prick.

beeeeeeeeeep (they are cheaper than bumps you know)

3 times 1 billion is still 3 billion. Take some math lessons little prick.

see now that is blatent flaming... are you obviosly want the mods to pile on ya.... anyways did i say i would invade them all simutaniously?

no......

oh and BTW do you have MSN?

oh oh oh you said idiot so no harm done. I do have msn but not for people like you.

oh oh oh you said idiot so no harm done. I do have msn but not for people like you.

see the problem is this could have been a fantastic RP if we all sat down and discussed this rationally on MSN but HP your just ruining it for everyone that could be involved.... I think for your actions alone with you (personally rather pathetic) flaming... Credonia and the "CO-alition of evil" has every right to ignore you aswell as anyone else in the "War on Terror" group

Midlonia you are making a fool of yourself once more. I only said "little prick" because you called me an idiot. In fact, we this is too pathetic to argue about. They had and hadn't the right to ignore us. We attacked them, Credonia ignored us. We didn't let Credonia fully prepare himself. So it's partially our mistake. Don't blame everything on me because you're plain wrong.

Add me to the "coalition of evil"

And HH, that was very subtle. Everyone notice how the nations in the "war on terror" have capital letters, and the "coalition of evil" dont?

Add me to the "coalition of evil"

And HH, that was very subtle. Everyone notice how the nations in the "war on terror" have capital letters, and the "coalition of evil" dont?

:D

Heh, no seriously, change them.

Heh, no seriously, change them.

howabout noooooooooooooooooooooooo

hehehehe

Oh! That's taking the wee- wee!

I'm enjoing these fools trying to look hard when infact they little boney things made in my back garden!

:D :D




Midlonia why did you use [code:1:29f30cfb99]CODE[/code:1:29f30cfb99] to tell us that we are on the list of straight people???

Oh bugger no war for me :( BUGGER BUGGER BUGGER!!!

Oh bugger no war for me :( BUGGER BUGGER BUGGER!!!

fraid not at the moment. I think we've come up with a good form of warfare. Several duels to resolve a much larger conflict. less confusion and alot fairer

Hm... in all truth I think the problem is that both sides have no organisation what so ever when trying to carry out a war.

Of course, it may be a little more organised if you guys stopped flaming one another, it seems to take up half the room on these damn threads...

'fraid not at the moment. I think we've come up with a good form of warfare. Several duels to resolve a much larger conflict. less confusion and alot fairer

Conflicts arn't about being fair... at least if I'm involved (IC) they won't. I have no qualms about dragging out all my allies to protect me if need be.

Afterall, my allies aren't allies for the eye candy... they're partly there to make sure invading me is impossible without several billion+ nations.


I expect this is the same with Credonia, I don't have a problem with him for having tons of allies that leap to his aid... providing they are all realistic when aiding him instead of magically appearing troops in his nation (I'm not accusing anyone of doing it mind, it's just something I wouldn't like).

The thing about NS is that everyone has their own web of allies for their own perposes... just because it's unfair that Credonia has a million allies doesn't meen they can all be ignored just because they are helping out an ally...

However, if everything becomes confusing the two nations at war can agree to duke it out alone... makes sense. But you can't really ignore allies defending their freinds nations, it's realistic that they would help even if they are too much. It helps to stop stupid wars...

No HH, change them, or else.

The thing about NS is that everyone has their own web of allies for their own perposes... just because it's unfair that Credonia has a million allies doesn't meen they can all be ignored just because they are helping out an ally...

Well, there are ways to compensate for allies. It just takes some unorthodox thinking.

No HH, change them, or else.

FINE!!!!!!! *sniggers*

This is getting silly, we're debating war not other things.

one of the reasons y i didnt want to get involved in the first invasion attempt ;-) hadn't even been 24 hrs since the post was created and you all were bickering

one of the reasons y i didnt want to get involved in the first invasion attempt ;-) hadn't even been 24 hrs since the post was created and you all were bickering

your allys started all that bickering

on HP's navy. Hes not using his puppets to supplement his military. People say that he cannot have a navy because he has no water surronding him. he can however use his puppets and my ports to base his navy.

just reminding people that there is an ooc thread

well if were gonna be usin puppets, the number of forces i have available to use just quadrupled (if not multiplied more, i need to check)

he is not usin puppets, only their ports

hes still usin em tho doesnt matter what hes using them for or how hes usin em...hes still using them..thats the bottom line

actually he appears to not be using the puppets military forces or any other major facility of the puppet so in fact he is not using the puppet for all intents and purposes

well...fine, i wont make a big deal out of it, im ready to take em on, if he would hurry up and get the RP started

well...fine, i wont make a big deal out of it, im ready to take em on, if he would hurry up and get the RP started

your only fighting HP hes not using his puppets. incidently how that map coming on?

im not gonna work on it until later, i gotta get ready for school

heh, its's 8:56pm here

im not gonna work on it until later, i gotta get ready for school

alright

Oh yea HH, very funny... im sure noone was amused.

Holy palooey - Do try to remember to use your OOC thread for OOC comments!

Our reaction to the missile launch was exactly as it appeared. As a member of the IADF and a nominal ally of Credonia, a pre-emptive missile launch could very well be targeting our nation to keep Credonia's allies out of the war.

We reacted to the launch and are working to plot the missiles' trajectories. When we (hopefully) find that they are not heading our way, we will stand down our missile defense posture slightly.

Cheers!