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Communist Louisiana sued for Libel in Shildonian High Court

Shildonia
06-03-2004, 17:56
The Shildonian Government has formally sued Commuist Louisiana for £10trillion Shildonian Pounds for libel. Due to the extremity of the case, cases in the Shildonia City High Court have been rearranged for this case to be heard swiftly.
The case was brought after the government of Communist Louisiana issued a statement claiming that the Shildonian Government were terrorists. Since we believe this to be untrue, and the allegations would doubtless damage the standing of Shildonia amongst the international community a decision was made to sue for libel.
The case hinges on one simple issue: Is the allegation false? If it is, then the government of Communist Louisiana will be liable to pay the damages. Under statute, terrorism is defined as: "Intentional acts of mass violence against civillians, or the threatened use of mass violence against civillians, usually but not always for political gain".

Exhibit A: This statement by the Government of Communist Louisiana (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2852922&highlight=&sid=3239b087fb024302450fab3d6f95cc9b#2852922), which states that:
... you my friend, are a terrorist
Exhibit B: The Shildonian Flying Corps. target selection manual, which states that:
Each target selected for bombing should be referred to a team of lawyers trained in the rules of warfare who will have the power to veto any target deemed illegal.

... illegal targets include areas associated with non-military personell, and military targets which, if attacked may cause significant damage to civillian populations, e.g. dams, or transportation systems used by civillians as well as the military, unless the attack can be timed to ensure that civillian casualties will be minimal
Reasonable efforts must be taken at all stages of the attack process to ensure minimal damage to civillian populations, including by the aircrew. Should the aircrew believe their actions may cause significant damage to civillian populations, they will be able to use the defence outlined under section 23a of the Shildonian Flying Corps. rules of justice

Exhibit C: Section 23a of the Shildonian Flying Corps. Rules of Military Justice:
The following defence may be used against charges of insubordination, dereliction of duty, and failure to carry out orders, or any other appropriate charge:
"The Defendant will be found not guilty if the crime was committed in order to prevent causing significant damage to civillian populations."

As one of the most fundamental tennets of Shildonian justice is that not only must justice be done, but must that it must also be seen to be done, the international community is cordially invited to send representatives to watch the trial.
Likewise, the government of Communist Louisiana is entitled to send legal representatives to attempt to defend themeselves of these allegations.
Zvarinograd
06-03-2004, 18:01
OOC:
Proper link please, you gave us the International Incidents forum.
Xawadiland
06-03-2004, 18:03
May we point out that, if Communist Louisiana has a free speech policy, the leader is allowed to say whatever he/she likes?
The Fedral Union
06-03-2004, 18:04
:|:|
Midlonia
06-03-2004, 18:07
You do realise that CL is 90% of the time drunk at the weekends? :lol:
so some of his stuff could just be deemed as pointless
Shildonia
06-03-2004, 18:13
OOC:
Proper link please, you gave us the International Incidents forum.

fixed

May we point out that, if Communist Louisiana has a free speech policy, the leader is allowed to say whatever he/she likes?

The trial isn't in Communist Louisiana. Plus free speech has limitations.

You do realise that CL is 90% of the time drunk at the weekends? :lol:
so some of his stuff could just be deemed as pointless

I'd better find out whether intoxication is a defence to Libel then (I'm guessing voluntary intoxication isn't)
Just remember ladies and gentlemen, don't drink and RP.
06-03-2004, 18:19
that happened to a friend of mine once who got carpet nuked hehe
Midlonia
06-03-2004, 18:20
yes, and also CL is most likely to invade you now, along with a few allies as a result for trying to cripple his economy.... :roll:
06-03-2004, 18:38
Ok, let me get this straight....

You're suing Communist Louisiana....in YOUR country....for something he said in HIS country?

http://clan.stickserv.net/forums/html/emoticons/weird.gif
Communist Louisiana
06-03-2004, 18:39
I would like for you to take that amount and shove it. I am not drunk (yet)... Any ways


Comrades of the world..... Listin to my evidence. This Shildonia government supported Nazi rebels... They lied to the International community about it. When I brough up evidence against him, he tried to lie his way out. Below is the link you can go to, to see the evidence against his Pro-Nazi government. You can see what I said also. I want EVERY state to first look at all sides before you make a dicision. I will never pay this scum of a state. He is trying right now to make you forget about his MAJOR mistakes and consentrate on me. Dont let his Nazi propaganda change your mind. I support the workers of the world and I think I speak for alot of nations when i say that He shouldnt have given money to Nazi rebels that were openly planning mass genocide.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40&sid=16d5042e6650d8d69561c18bd8809160
Iuthia
06-03-2004, 18:40
yes, and also CL is most likely to invade you now, along with a few allies as a result for trying to cripple his economy.... :roll:

Hm... I know of only one occasion he's gone to war... though the reason did seem to be more about being pissed of then being economically damaged.

Personnally we wouldn't recognise the Shildonian court and I doubt Communist Liosiana won't either (wow, something we agree upon again, it's getting too common).

In truth alot of nations say things in anger, as well as because they don't like others... eitherway I doubt your nation is going to be able to sue them if they don't recognise your nations laws. I would just ignore it.

Sorry if this vindicates Communist Loisiana's arguement, but I guess sometimes I've got to support his side... while I don't know if his comment as true (I'm not looked into it) I don't really care if he is lying and I wouldn't really do anything if he was...
Shildonia
06-03-2004, 18:51
Ok, let me get this straight....

You're suing Communist Louisiana....in YOUR country....for something he said in HIS country?

http://clan.stickserv.net/forums/html/emoticons/weird.gif

It's mainly to demonstrate that we are not terrorists. Plus the entire population of Communist Louisiana can be declared fugitives and arrested, or even better, extradited.
Besides, if they refuses to contest the claim they will lose automatically (and also be found in contempt of court).
Communist Louisiana
06-03-2004, 18:53
Hey Shildonia, I have a PERFECT flag for your nation. It will let you blame things on others like you do already.
http://207.44.246.196/586/48/upload/p561.jpg
AfrikaZkorps
06-03-2004, 18:55
LOL...... I want that flag!
Shildonia
06-03-2004, 18:57
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MISGUIDED IDEOLOGY YOU HAVE, THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE RULE OF LAW.
"I AM A COMMUNIST" IS NOT A VALID DEFENCE TO ANY CRIME (except the crime of not being a communist, which only applies in communist countries anyway)
Hattia
06-03-2004, 18:57
Well, this is rather funny.
Hattia
06-03-2004, 18:58
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MISGUIDED IDEOLOGY YOU HAVE, THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE RULE OF LAW.
"I AM A COMMUNIST" IS NOT A VALID DEFENCE TO ANY CRIME (except the crime of not being a communist, which only applies in communist countries anyway)

What kind of crimes did he commit. It is only libel if you can prove it is a lie. I have not seen any evidence from Shildonia. And a large amount from CL.
06-03-2004, 18:58
Ok, let me get this straight....

You're suing Communist Louisiana....in YOUR country....for something he said in HIS country?

http://clan.stickserv.net/forums/html/emoticons/weird.gif

It's mainly to demonstrate that we are not terrorists. Plus the entire population of Communist Louisiana can be declared fugitives and arrested, or even better, extradited.
Besides, if they refuses to contest the claim they will lose automatically (and also be found in contempt of court).
Once again.... http://clan.stickserv.net/forums/html/emoticons/weird.gif

Has it occured to you that your courts have no jurisdiction over things that don't take place in your country? Or that the international community will not recognize any proceedings stemming from this sham of a charge and that you will be regarded as an international joke because of it? You cannot declare an entire country in contempt of court for stating a fact, a fact that CL backed up in a very, very long post full of quotes. Suing CL in an obviously biased court seeking damages that you will never receive is a patently ridiculous measure, and would damage your all-important international reputation far more than having been accused/proved of fomenting a nazi terror movement.
Communist Louisiana
06-03-2004, 18:59
Whos law are we speaking of? I am not following your countries BS laws. I follow my own nations laws which says FREEDOM OF SPEECH has no ends. Yea and we also have legalized marijuana. So you go ahead and follow your nations rules mr. high and mighty, and I will follow mine. By the way, I enjoyed making you look like a total jackass.
Iuthia
06-03-2004, 20:59
By the way, I enjoyed making you look like a total jackass.

In all fairness, he did it to himself...
Layarteb
06-03-2004, 21:02
Why not bulldoze both CL and Shil. That'll solve both and all problems with them :) (yes this was a tag)
Dakara
07-03-2004, 07:44
just ignore him CL... this most definately falls under MPT...
Hallad
07-03-2004, 17:34
OOC: This thread just reminds me how much i love the MPT!

IC: I agree with Dakara. His courts can't do shit against you.
Dakara
07-03-2004, 22:09
OOC: This thread just reminds me how much i love the MPT!

IC: I agree with Dakara. His courts can't do shit against you.

if if they do find you guilty, what are they going to do, ask real nicely for you to pay up? this pathetic attempt at diverting attention from his Facist activites has none of us fooled.