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The Government of T.A.R has come up with an idea to create alternatives to 'Nukes' and chemical/bio weapons. International scientists are required.


Weapons
Something that kills instantly, with no pain, but is the destructive equivalent of a large atomic bomb. Also should have little after-effect.

something that renders a vehicles/ships occupants helpless/dead instantly/quickly but leaves said vehicle or ship completly usable by user of weapon.

a weapon system that is made to recognise civilian/non-combatants and self-destuct the missile/bomb it is mounted on if missile/bomb 'accidently'
targets civilians.a database of military symbols and insignia would be required.

I do actually know of a real bomb, that only blows up people, and not buildings etc. Just dont know its name...

Well, if you go by C&C Generals, it's called a Neutron Bomb.

I do actually know of a real bomb, that only blows up people, and not buildings etc. Just dont know its name...

Yer i know it as well but i carn't remember it :(

I do actually know of a real bomb, that only blows up people, and not buildings etc. Just dont know its name...

I believe it is called a Neutron bomb, if I am thinking of the right weapon it destroys all organic material and leaves all inorganic material unharmed.

i mean it would self-destruct if fired upon, say a refugee convoy that has a complete lack of military symbols and/or weapons

i want a weapon that would at least help cut down on the number of civilian deaths in war

I can make all these and more, my friends, thanks to the wonders of nanotechnology. I can also make a bomb that destroys entire cities, but not their people. Of course, it leaves all the people naked, but that's their problem. The point is, it causes less international incident.

*AHEM* As I was saying, if you want custom bombs, just T-gram me.

i am looking for a weapon that will be accepted by the ns community as good rp, as in stats, maybe a picture or two

what if a person has a pacemaker or a false limb?

I want a bomb that doesn't cause any building damage or fatalities but rather disables all weapons, aside from rocks and sticks.

I think you are after an EM weapon of some sort. It brings to mind the Medusa weapon from the bok "Medusa's child." The only difference is that it fried all computer chips on a continental scale.

a scaled down/modified version of the 'Medusa' weapon then?

We have developed a device that prevents Friendly Fire incidents. Anyone interested?

Video of Joint UCAV, Surgical Weapon System (http://www.metalstorm.com/04_videos/ms_ucav.html)

It can be purchased here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126381&highlight=).

OK. You want no damage to vehicles etc and something that kills quickly. Your best bet in chemical weapons.

Sarin kills nearly instantly, with only a pin-prick sized droplet and decomposes within a few hours to harmless chemicals. There is talks of vaccines against it, but they are untested, and from the point of view of a chemist, very dubious and with a large number of unpleasant side effects. To truly be protected from it one must be wearing a full NBC suit (a gas mask won't work as it absorbs through the skin). Biological agents are better at penetrating NBC protection, you can make 'viral glass', however the lethality and speed of lethality is significantly less.

As for not targetting civilians. That's simple, you can fit whatever the delivery system is (missile, bomb etc) with some form of camera, and make it so that the CO2 dispersal mechanism can be deactivated (meaning it will make a very dense cloud of the stuff when it hits, rather than sprinkling it over a wide area). This will minimise casualties, or possibly eliminate them entirely. An even better way to minimise this is to make sure you don't fire on civilians in the first place.

The thing with the identification of civilian targets is that no matter what system you use, there will always be military units finding a way around it so they are classified as 'civilian' by the weapons and are not hurt.

The thing with the identification of civilian targets is that no matter what system you use, there will always be military units finding a way around it so they are classified as 'civilian' by the weapons and are not hurt.

You've hit it bang on the button. The only way you can identify genuine civilians is to critically analyse each situation.

Or, alternatively, to fight wars the Napoleonic Way- both sides "agree" on a time and a venue, show up, and duke it out in a Battle Royale until one side is either dead or their troops break and flee from the battlefield like the wussy little cowards they are... :D

Failing that, don't involve civillians in your war. Don't bomb cities, and don't shoot anyone who isn't wearing a uniform. (Doesn't work like that anymore, I know...)

I want a bomb that doesn't cause any building damage or fatalities but rather disables all weapons, aside from rocks and sticks.

That would be an EMP. Electro magnetic pulse.

I want a bomb that doesn't cause any building damage or fatalities but rather disables all weapons, aside from rocks and sticks.

That would be an EMP. Electro magnetic pulse.

Actually an EMP would have no effect on mechanical weapons etc such as guns and trucks etc. It will only have an effect on electronic weapons and things such as radars, targetters, onboard computers etc

But since a lot of things are computerised, the damage would be very interesting. The only problem with these weapons, is that, and I'm going by the Medusa weapon here, the effects need a thermonuclear detonation to start.

I imagine it would be possible to set of an EMP without a nuclear weapon. It would be similar, but on a larger scale, to a lot of the EW equipment countries such as Britain and Russia are using today (I'm not 100% on the US).
It would have the effect of knocking out radio communications, causing chaos, but at the same time not actually removing the ability of your average infantryman to fight. Most modern tanks would take severe amounts of damage, whereas old WWII ones would still be chugging along merrily.

The vacuum tubes that predate transistors are not affected by the effects of Electro Magnetic weapons, and for that reason I would assume most governments would store a collection of these antiques, so that they could remain organized in the event of an EM attack.

In the end that 50 year old radio would be working better than the latest stereo, heheh.

I want a bomb that doesn't cause any building damage or fatalities but rather disables all weapons, aside from rocks and sticks.

That would be an EMP. Electro magnetic pulse.

Actually an EMP would have no effect on mechanical weapons etc such as guns and trucks etc. It will only have an effect on electronic weapons and things such as radars, targetters, onboard computers etc

Actually, you can set off a perfectly decent EMP by setting off a pipe-bomb with an induction coil wrapped around it. Albeit, you'll have to do some fancy-ass-wrappin-and-a-spoolin, but it can be done.

And, as for neutron bombs - they don't do biodamage only. They're standard nuclear weapons, with fuel specifically targeted at releasing a strong neutron pulse during detonation. Thus - there will be a damage area at the centre, but further out - you'll get the bio-kill effect as the 'heavy' neutron radiation kills target personell. As such, neutron bombs are meant to be detonated in air-bursts, high enough to avoid most of the physical damage to the target area - if that is what you want, of course.

Blackguard - are you sure about vactubes not being affected? I never heard that before. I know that USSR used them in fighters up untill recently because they're arguably more reliable than modern electronics and more immune to physical damage.

And someone said that trucks wouldn't be affected by EMP. Heck yeah they would. EMP would kill the battery. Plus any electric/electronic systems. Thus any petrol-powered vehicles (even 'older' ones without electronics) would be dead as the spark plug ignition would be dead. Diesels could be fixed more easily by merely replacing the battery - since they don't depend on electrical ignition.

The theory about Vacuum-Tubes being immune to EMP is correct. I've read it in several places, including Sci-Fi Novels, the "Fallout" instruction manual, and it's been aired on History Channel Documentaries.

Valves are more reliable than modern electronics in the sense that they last longer, but good luck trying to find spares anywhere...

I want a bomb that doesn't cause any building damage or fatalities but rather disables all weapons, aside from rocks and sticks.

That would be an EMP. Electro magnetic pulse.

Actually an EMP would have no effect on mechanical weapons etc such as guns and trucks etc. It will only have an effect on electronic weapons and things such as radars, targetters, onboard computers etc
EMP's fry the electrical system of cars , trucks boats, and aircraft.
Look under your hood--see those wires, that battery, emp sensitive.

something that renders a vehicles/ships occupants helpless/dead instantly/quickly but leaves said vehicle or ship completly usable by user of weapon.


Our scientists long ago came up with the solutions to this problem. We have invented Neutron warheads.

These simply use totally different Isotopes, which are on the right wavelength to kill any human, but not destroy or damage anything. We are willing to sell the technology.

Ok, Neutron Warheads or as they are less commonly known ER warheads.
Let me explain the way these jokers work.
A neutron bomb is a type of nuclear weapon.
Designed to do minimal damage to infrastracture while doing maximum damage to living things animals,plants, bacteria(yes a neutron weapon can clear an area that has been hit with biological weapons how isthat for a fun fact).
Though a neutron bomb does cause infrastructure damage and some long term radiation (it is still a nuclear weapon after all).
They are sepcifically designed to have far beyond lethal levels of radiation gone with in 48hours, making the area hit, ocupiable by friendly forces.
In military thinking Neutron bombs and/or warheads are considered a tactical weapon and not a strategic one, which is why Neutron bombs are some of the smallest nuclear devices used.
Neutron bombs aka known Enhanced Radiation Weapons(ER), are small nuclear weapons in which the burst of neutrons generated by the fusion (fusion as opposed to fision which is in common nukes) reaction are intentionally not absorbed inside the device, but rather the design encourages escape of said neutrons(X-ray mirrors being made of nickel of chromium to produce this). The burst of high-energy neutrons is the primary lethality in this weapon. Neutrons are more penetrating than other types of radiation so many shielding materials that work well against gamma rays do not work nearly as well(tanks hardened against standard nuke fallout actually encourage neutron penetration).
The enhanced radition is the intial 'burst' while the fallout of the weapon has actually been retarded.
Authorities say that the common perception of the neutron bomb as a "landlord bomb" that would kill people but leave buildings undamaged is greatly overstated. At the conventional effective combat range (690 m) the blast from a 1 kt neutron bomb will destroy or damage to the point of unusability almost any civilian building. Thus the use of neutron bombs to stop an enemy attack, which requires exploding large numbers of them to blanket the enemy forces, would also destroy all buildings in the area.

I recommend this:The Truth About the Neutron Bomb: The Inventor of the Bomb Speaks Out
by Sam Cohen

A majority of the information stated can be found doing a simple google on Neutron bombs, just remember to check the source you are using for credibility.