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C-240 High Speed Cargo Programme

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Overview - the C-240 is a cargo that is able to go Mach 1+, and even in economical cruising speeds faster than normal cargoes. It is of C-17 caliber in that it is capable of airlifting ~ 90 tons a distance of some 5000 miles, and has unlimited range with in-air refueling. It also features low sonic boom technology and a very capable ECM suite, so as to avoid detection. We believe it is one of the best cargoes out there - but don't just take our word for it! Buy some today! (Also avail: Tanker, Electronic Warfare and Cruise Missile Platform) With the aid of United Elias, and now Star Aerospace and Zoogie Aerospace, Ampar Corporation is proud to present to you the C-240.

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The HSC program called for a medium-sized cargo to effectively fill in the gap left by the remarkably small force of C-130s. It also was supposed to complement the C-17 in its frontline delivery role. The focus of high speed, less blatant obviousness on radar, and several other cutting edge technologies, makes this mid-class cargo unique. The project also emphasized range and survivability.

Role (Assault Transport/Transport; tanker, cruise missile platform) / Performance (All weather, rough field, STOL, Mach 1 +) / Service ceiling (66,000-feet) / Range (5,000 + mi)

History

Initially, the HSC Program asked for a small, 35-meter class cargo transport that was designed to fly to the frontlines at speeds of over Mach 1, although conceded that economic cruising speed would have to remain under Mach 1. Soon, however, the program specification changed – Star Aerospace had indicated interest in designing a small, efficient cargo not too different from the original specifications, and setbacks in Zoogie Aerospace’s C-17 EUP heightened the need for a larger frontline cargo. The HSC was thus changed in specification, no longer asking for a supersonic aircraft, but for an aircraft in the C-141 range. The final project result, however, was a C-141 class aircraft with great cargo capacity and with speeds of over Mach 1, running on dry thrust engines.

However, Ampar's first experience in dedicated aircraft proved to be flawed. The engines of the aircraft caused problems from overheating, resulting in two plane crashes. Also, certain safety and avionics systems were not not perfect...this required the contracting of United Elias for replacement engines, and in addition, a flailing HSC program prompted Ampar to contact rivals Star Systems and Zoogie Aerospace to remake its avionics. After this act of desparation, Ampar is back on the right track thanks to new and improved avionics and the new engines.

Airframe

The HSC features an odd, unprecedented design for a cargo. Rather than the traditional, airliner-like shape, the HSC project designers at Ampar opted for a blunt-nosed aircraft with wings set back far more than usual, engines near the tail rather than under the wings, and an overall triangular structure. What it lacks in length compared to the C-141, it certainly makes up for with width. The HSC’s design made a wide fuselage not only possible, but necessary. It is capable of carrying loads far greater than expected of an average cargo roughly 155 feet in length. The sleek, streamlined design is a result of airframe changes after the engine tests proved that the aircraft would be able to propel itself at supercruise speeds. Also as a result of this, the blunted nose is reflective of implementing low-sonic-boom technology Ampar has researched with Zoogie Aerospace.

The HSC is also a joined wing technology aircraft.

Powerplant

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The HSC is powered by two monstrous 96,000-lb turbofan engines that provide it with thrust well above the class of the C-17, courtesy of United Elias. These engines deliver even more power, more reliability, and fix the issues of the old Am-463 turbofans. These engines feature...


-Integrally bladed rotors: In most stages, disks and blades are made from a single piece of advnaced alloy for better performance and less air leakage.
-Long chord fan blades reduce danger of heat related emergency and contribute to engine efficiency.
-Low-aspect, high-stage-load compressor blades: Once again, wider blades offer greater strength and efficiency.
-Alloy high-strength burn-resistant titanium compressor with innovative titanium alloy increases durability, allowing the engine to run hotter and faster for greater thrust and efficiency.
-Floatwall combustor: Thermally isolated panels of oxidation-resistant high cobalt material make the combustion chamber more durable, which helps reduce scheduled maintenance and again improve safety.


Avionics

Because the cargo is not designed to engage in actual combat, whether air-to-air or air-to-ground, the avionics need not be state-of-the-art. Avionics on the HSC were not so much geared as to locate enemy positions as to defend the aircraft. A cargo seeks to mask itself as much as possible, and avionics can help it greatly. Active radar is not incorporated into the HSC – its primary means of landing at its destination is the accuracy of its plotted waypoints, and so the HSC is not for the logistically challenged. Nevertheless, a powerful passive radar system is used in conjunction with a new RWR, to detect enemy aircraft attempting to target it. In the domestic variant this information is automatically relayed to the escorting flight. A forward-looking infrared pod is housed to detect ground targets at low altitudes – for use in verification during the landing approach. A HUD and several MFDs display detailed navigation information, status, detection systems, a virtual reality altimeter, and other important flight information to the crew of three.

With the new avionics redesign, Zoogie Aerospace refined all the aspects above to make this aircraft truly state of the art, and Star Systems generated new avionics regarding integration and safety systems.

Systems

As for Systems, the HSC features STOL capability, as well as rough field landing capability with its sturdy and reliable gear. The hydraulics system has not been overlooked, and neither has anything else. The fly-by-wire system ensures that the HSC flies smoothly and to the full extent of its flight envelope.

Advanced Technologies

The HSC features several advanced technologies, most notable reduced RCS and reduced sonic boom. The overall shape of the HSC helps partially to decrease the chances of enemy radar installations to detect it, and the engine emissions are masked as much as possible. The HSC also contains some anti-radar paint to absorb radar in certain areas.

Reduced sonic boom is a much-desired technology, as the sound of an aircraft breaking the sound barrier can alert others to its presence – not a very desirable trait for a bulky cargo operating in the front lines. Lockheed Martin is currently researching reduced-sonic boom technology through the blunting of the nose…similarly, Ampar’s studies with Zoogie Aerospace have been incorporated through a blunt nose. This scatters the sound waves and makes the sonic boom almost soundless to observers on the ground.

Countermeasures

Cargoes are huge, bulky aircraft, and no matter how much reduced RCS is used, are nevertheless high-priority and vulnerable targets to enemy interceptors. The kicker is that they are also some of the most valuable friendly aircraft in the sky. Because of the vitality of the HSC to frontline military operations, survivability was a key factor emphasized in the HSC specifications.

Generally, when threats appear, it is up to the fighter escort flight to get rid of them, but once an enemy missile is fired on it, there is little surrounding aircraft can do to prevent the missile from connecting (aside from perhaps vectoring into position between the cargo and the incoming missile and launching chaff). This calls for the need for further defenses. Like many cargoes of its class, the HSC is equipped with a capable countermeasures suite. Countermeasures can be categorized into two major divisions: actual projectiles and electronic countermeasures (ECM).

Much work went into the development of flare and chaff cartridges that are nominally more effective in the prevention of incoming missiles than those originally found on the C-17. Flare and chaff are made to mimic the heat and radar signatures of the aircraft, but in a much more pronounced fashion, so as to attract the missile towards it while the aircraft vectors away. This ploy is more effective in maneuverable fighters than bulky cargoes, but it can be done nevertheless.

However, this hardly makes the aircraft missile proof – indeed, it is quite impossible to do so. There is another part that perhaps is more important on a cargo: ECM.

ECM sends out jamming signals to distort the enemy radar signals and aims to confuse enemy tracking devices and throw off radar-guided missiles. It also bluffs the aircraft’s position – increasing the RCS by a factor of several times, alerting the enemy to its presence – but bluffing the actual position of the aircraft. This is known to throw off many radar guided missiles, and the state of the art ECM employed on the HSC helps add a further layer of protection to enemy missile fire.

The HSC, thus, features great survivability. When heat-seeking missiles are fired, the pilot can switch the engines to idle and veer to another direction, while (usually) pulling up towards the sun and clouds. Flares are automatically launched every several seconds until turned off by the pilot. When radar-guided missiles are fired, ECM is initiated when the missile reaches a certain distance, and seconds later chaff cartridges are launched (again, every several seconds until turned off). It is simply up to its fighter escorts to rid the threat before more missiles can be launched.

Cargo
The HSC is approximately 170 feet in length, which makes it significantly larger than the C-130 vacuum it is intended to fill. Its fuselage width varies along the length of the body, but at times rivals/defeats that of the C-5, and so the aircraft has great cargo carrying capacity. The HSC is a more than capable freighter to serve alongside the C-17, despite its relative shorter length. The HSC is able to carry artillery, such as tanks and howitzers, and indeed helicopters, ranging from the AH-64 to the Gazelle. As for actual freight, it is capable of loading cargo in the 92-95 ton category (~ 190,000 lbs), or 174 fully equipped soldiers, or 118 paratroopers.

Roles

The HSC is capable of more than one role – in its original specifications, it was called on to look into the possibility of the inflight-refueling role and air-launched cruise missile role (to replace the aging KC-135 fleets and aging B-52D fleets, respectively).

As a cargo, the HSC’s job is to fly at relatively high speeds to the front lines and deliver much needed supplies, ammunition, and equipment. It is designed to land on makeshift forward airfields, with STOL and rough-field capability.

As a tanker, the HSC was needed to fly on station for extended period of times, with three-point fuelling similar to the VC-10 conversion of the Nimrod by British Aerospace. Slightly smaller in size, it will eventually help replace KC-135s, although not many of these models were required.

The Zoogie Air Force was critically short of B-52s, and the precious few (35) they had were much earlier variants. They were hardly reliable platforms for air-launched cruise missiles; indeed, they were constructed before the CALCM program set forth. The AC-240, as it was named (but do not confuse its role with the AC-130’s ground attack role), was designed to house 26 air launched cruise missile in internal bays.

The latest version, named for now the EC-240, is perhaps the most technologically advanced. While it is smaller in size in comparison to the other models, it packs a powerful punch. The EC-240's goal is to remain on station for extended periods of time - staying alive, of course - and performing various electronic warfare roles. The EC-240 will significantly jam and redirect enemy radar signals, broadcast messages or propoganda, and provide significant information to allied aircraft and systems. Electronical warfare is its primary goal, although its powerful active radar allows it to fulfill certain AWACs roles to a very small extent.


Statistics
C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 96,000 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 1.46
Economic speed: Mach 0.82
Fuselage Length: 174.6ft
Price: $138 million


KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platform
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 92,000 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 1.12
Economic speed: Mach 0.75
Fuselage Length: 166.4 ft
Price: $142 million


AC-240 ‘Pallas’ Cruise Missile Platform
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 88,000 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 0.94
Economic speed: Mach 0.72
Fuselage Length: 168.2 ft
Armament: 26 ALCM
Price: $148 million

EC-240 ‘Caucus’ Electronic Warfare Platform
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 84,00 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 0.83
Economic speed: Mach 0.67
Fuselage Length: 142.4 ft
Price: $152 million


Praise for the C-240

Yes, I can be an annoying salesman type if I wish. Critically acclaimed!


*Post Purchase Review*

These C-240's have met the Artitsan Government's full needs as light/medium cargo aircraft, Refueling Aircraft, and especially arms delivery Aircraft. Truely worth the cost.

OOC: Brilliantly designed.

Very nice.


Jesus.

A lot of typing. I am falling behind :shock:



damn, these C-240s are nice planes :)


OOC: After looking up the prices for the C-17, I was ... shocked. To make up for it, I increased the prices and the size to make this more realistic...

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[ bulk purchase prices negotiable on request ]

[ questions & comments welcomed ]

Notice - IMPORTANT

While we like to see the export of our products, we would now like to excercise more caution in sales. As such, please roleplay as if you were an actual country seeking to purchase a product - don't just say, "24, money wired," or something like that...say for what reason, offer a price, make it more realistic...we would not like to see this product in the wrong hands...thank you for your cooperation.

-Ampar Corporation

Airlifting supplies to a theatre near you!

The C-240 and its variants are proudly serving in the air forces of Lunatic Retard Robots, Arititsa, Kazakhstania, Exonerate, Andrehervia, Penguisiana, Yurskmear, Anaressa, Saipac, Lynnwoode, Lashuga, Novoya Rosiya, Common Sensical Capns, The Anti-Terror Army, Bedou, Gilabad, Greater Burzum, Zombidom, Al-Sabir and with interest expressed by _Taiwan, Dr_Twist, and Yugoslavia.

Also, of course, it is being built in significant numbers domestically.

Give me 250 C-240's
"24.5 billion dollars money wired"

OOC: On AIM, we edited that down to 40

IC:

Novoya Rosiya:

We will supply 40 C-240 'Pallas' units for $3.5 billion, by virtue of you being the first buyer. Confirmed.

Well, I don't really have any cargo to speak of to trade, but these do seem like the kind of thing that would be nice for supplying military units abroad. Set me up with 20 of them.

Give me 40 C-240's (cargo & 50 AC-240 ‘Caucus’ Cruise Missile Platform & 5 KC-240 (tankers)
"(9.63 origional) 5.13 (im using my 4.5 billion dollar discount) billion dollars money wired"

Common Sensical Capns

We will supply you with 20 C-240 'Pallas' for $1.96 billion; confirmed and en route. Thank you for your business.

Novoya Rosiya

As aforementioned, we have sent 40 C-240 en route, and in addition will send 5 KC-240 tankers for a discounted $500 million...the total will be $4 billion, which is already discounted. The $4.5 billion dollar was a discount based on when you had decided to purchase a giant 250, and when you downscale the number to 40, the percentage remains, but the discount can't...the other part of your order will have to be denied for now, as you have no cruise missiles and as an ally we feel that it would be best to advise you not to have any cruise missile platforms taking up your maintenance budget when you haven't any cruise missiles. (Which can be dreadfully expensive)

I'll buy 4 AC-240 ‘Caucus’ Cruise Missile Platform


Money wired.

Very interesting, the Dr_Twist Government has always been at the forefront of cargo plane technology to move vast armies in short time, we will look into this.

The Anti-Terror Army

For you, a regional member and ally, $400 million, confirmed.

Dr. Twist, thank you for your interest...we have been developing this cargo for a long time, although much in secrecy. We hope you like it.

OOC: Brilliantly designed.

IC:

We would like to enquire regarding the passenger storage capacity of the C-240 aircraft.

tag

Taiwan:

This is a military transport, and so passenger capacity really is unknown, unless you wanted to convert it to a civilian role, which we suppose is possible. For military purposes, it is capable of transporting 132 fully equipped troops, or just less than 100 paratroopers.

PS - OOC (Thanks for the compliment! :P)

OOC: Just in case anyone's interested, here are other cargo/new aircraft currently serving in the Zoogie Armed Forces, but have not yet been declassified (i.e, had their descriptions typed up)

So Sh....these don't exist!

http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/idr/idr000704_2_psm.jpg

http://www.stratmag.com/issueSept-15/imagesn/box-1.gif

http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/idr/idr000704_1_p.jpg

And yes, the C-240 is a joined wing (blended wing-body) aircraft.

C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo
The Nation of Bedou would like to purchase 10 of these fine Aircraft.
980,000,000 wired.

Very nice. We would liek 10 of the cargo version.

Also, *secretizes* could we perhaps get some information on the helicopter thing? It is very nice.

LRR and Bedou - Both confirmed for $980 million; thank you, come again.

LRR - Check your TGs.

I'll buy 2 C-240 "Pallas" Medium cargo aircraft-196m.
thankyou :D

Gilabad - Not at all. Your C-240 cargoes are en route, and your order confirmed.

Jesus.

A lot of typing. I am falling behind :shock:

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[ bulk purchase prices negotiable on request ]

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ill buy 1 c-240 at 104 million upon confermation

nice aircraft, we'll take some
32x C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo
12x KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platform

money wired upon confirmation

Saipar - Total comes to $4.36 billion, confirmed.

Yurksmear - The list price for one C-240 is $98 million - confirmed.

Kazakhstania - Thank you...would you like some free?

Please send me 5 of these beauties. Telegram me.

Lynnwoode, you've got telegram.

The Republic of Lashuga would like to order 50 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargoes. Lashuga is pursuing these planes because the rest of the Lashugese Cargo planes seemed to be sabotaged adn broke down. Lashuga will hope to buy these planes for a sum of $4.4 Billion. Thank you.

Very nice. We would liek 10 of the cargo version.

Also, *secretizes* could we perhaps get some information on the helicopter thing? It is very nice.

OOC: That is an artist's conception of a Canard-Rotor Wing combat vehicle.

Very nice. We would liek 10 of the cargo version.

Also, *secretizes* could we perhaps get some information on the helicopter thing? It is very nice.

OOC: That is an artist's conception of a Canard-Rotor Wing combat vehicle.

OOC - yes...we are looking at it to replace AH-1s....

IC:

Lashuga - thank you for selecting the Pallas as a replacement for your current cargo fleet. Your price of $4.4 billion is acceptable, as you are both regional and allied. Your 50 C-240 cargoes are en route, and your order confirmed.

OOC-I remember that webpage, I made a whole store out of the stuff there. I think I used that as a bomber, but whatever. Nice job.
I did the boxwing tanker, the boxwing cargo plane became the Atlas (175 ton capacity aircraft! YAY! And the C/RW became an attack VTOL. Again, good work. I need to dig out that BWB/Flying wing transport idea again... Once more, nice job on the aircraft.

Gah! You beat me to the 175-ton cargo...mind if I use the pic, though? I've had the type in my notebook for several months, but have been struggling to finalize it...same with the tanker...PS, thanks.

Nope, not really, you can use them.
With the supercargo jet, there's alot of fun things you can do with 175 tons of payload. I know I had some.

Nope, not really, you can use them.
With the supercargo jet, there's alot of fun things you can do with 175 tons of payload. I know I had some.

Yes, there is...I intend to have a lot of fun with it ;)

Nope, not really, you can use them.
With the supercargo jet, there's alot of fun things you can do with 175 tons of payload. I know I had some.

Yes, there is...I intend to have a lot of fun with it ;)
About 5x capacity of a B-52... Have fun.

we will buy prod rights

money wired

Nope, not really, you can use them.
With the supercargo jet, there's alot of fun things you can do with 175 tons of payload. I know I had some.

Yes, there is...I intend to have a lot of fun with it ;)
About 5x capacity of a B-52... Have fun.

Of course...

Penguisiana, you are not enforcing the role-play ettiquete currently required for purchases, but let's negotiate prices.

The best cargo in the world.

Kazakhstania requires a whopping...10.

Thankyou, we love the aircraft. We do intend to have some fun, though our upgraded Tu-160 will have a huge payload...

OOC:

This has been a post by Freedom Country, el la puppet of Kazakhstania.

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[ Telegram from Zoogie Aerospace Corp to Kazakhstania ]

We beg of you, do not buy this aircraft! It ... it ... well, admittedly it is quite good, but don't you see? They're our competition! We thought we had it in the bag! We thought we had no competition left in Zoogiedom's air industries...but nooooo, Ampar comes out and...well, never mind.

At least we still have [i]Project: Progeny...[/i]
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;)

Your order has been confirmed, Kazakhstania, price at $000 million (Whoops, we said it'd be free). Don't worry about the huge payload - this is designed to be in the C-17 class...another company in our air industry, Zoogie Aerospace, is working on something they affectionately refer to as 'Supermassive black cargo.'

Anaressa - don't tag, buy!

Oi! Thats my catchphrase!

Erm...okay.

*Backs away from madman slowly*

Greetings, The Zoogie People.

The Andrehervian military wishes to buy:

150 C-240 'Pallas' medium cargo's
90 KC-240 'Pallas' tanker platform's
60 AC-240 'Caucus' cruise missile platforms

The total cost should come to AH£30,004,000,000. Hopefully, these orders aren't too large.

We hope to recieve a positive response from you soon.

Greetings, Andrehervia.

Your order is indeed quite large, but this by no means indicates that we will not be able to produce it. It will take some time, yes, as all contracts do, but because of the size of your order we will be able to lower the price. We will be able to discount this price to $29 billion. Thank you for your interest in this cargo; we trust you will be most satisfied with its performance.

Best regards,
Populus Zoogilarum

Penguisiana,

Normally, we do not sell production rights. However, you are an ally, and so we will only be glad to sell production rights to you. However, your offer of $50 billion (over AIM) is accepted. In addition, any grievances against Ampar Corp should be dismissed, as the person in question has been indeed fired.

We will buy... 5,000 C-240 Aircraft. Could we also get production rights to all three designs? we will pay as necessary.

Arititsa

Five thousand? We are afraid that your order will take quite some time to process, and will cost quite a bit - $490 billion. Production rights for all three will cost something in the area of $50 billion, I suppose, because we highly value this aircraft. However, we do not know much about your nation, so we are reserving production rights for the moment. We will ship you production rights for the C-240 for the purposes of completing the first 5,000...telegram us with more information abotu your nation and desired use for these aircraft, for more information on production rights.

damn, these C-240s are nice planes :)
We'll buy: 128x C-240 Medium Cargo

Statistics
C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 88,620 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 1.41
Economic speed: Mach 0.79
Fuselage Length: 157.8ft
Price: $98 million


KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platform
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 74,300 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 0.91
Economic speed: Mach 0.66
Fuselage Length: 148.4 ft
Price: $102 million


AC-240 ‘Caucus’ Cruise Missile Platform
Crew: 3
Powerplant: Two 68,200 –lb dry thrust turbofan engines
Max speed: Mach 0.83
Economic speed: Mach 0.6
Fuselage Length: 141.4 ft
Armament: 18 ALCM
Price: $104 million


Zombidom requests 6 C-240, 3 KC-240 and 4 AC-240. We are woefully short in military technology and appreciate your presenting us with this opportunity. $1.31 billion will be wired to you upon confirmation of order

I will pay you 25 billion dollares for 200 C-240 High speed cargo and a AC-240 "caucus" cruise missle platform

Al-Sair, we do find it quite astonishing that such a small nation like yourself can afford so many cargoes - good job on getting your economy so high so quickly. Because of the bulk purchase, we can sell it for $12.2 billion.

Zombidom, your order has been confirmed at $1.31 billion...all your aircraft are en route.

Yugoslavia, for what purposes do you require these aircraft? The total would be $19.7 billion.

The People's Republic of Greater Burzum is impressed with your machine and would like to purchase 3 of your C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo planes, for research and testing of our own by our fledgling aeronautics division, for 294,000,000. As our currencies are somewhat equal we will be sending the payment in via wire in order to avert any monetary mistakes. Please telegramme us with our receipt and delivery information.


-Count Grishnackh [Sovereign Emperor of Greater Burzum]

Your order has been confirmed at $294 million, and a telegram has been wired with full receipt and delivery information.

"Sir, we are running out of creative and subliminal methods of bumping!"

"That is terrible news, Johnson - send your team to work on new ways of bumping, quickly!"

Uh...hey! Buy some cargoes! You all need cargoes! I mean, if you have an army, you've gotta move it around! If you're in a war, you need supplies at the front lines! So...yeah, loook no further! This cargo is the best on NS...and plus, there's a tanker variant as well - replace your stock of useless KC-135's! But that's not all! There's a cruise missile version too! Smite your enemy into teensy bits by fire! Yeah...buy our --- aaaaaargh, let go of my throat!

C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo 98mil x 1

C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo 98mil x 1

OK, we'll take some more
32x C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo
12x KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platform
(we can afford it, Liberated America gives us other equipment, so we can use our whole defense budget on your fine planes :D)
money wired upon confirmation

Thanks, our Economy was Frightening a few days ago(all at cost of CR and PF)

The Conquer, for what reasons do you wish to purchase this aircraft? I should make this more apparent:

Buying products is not just, "XX of this, $XXX wired, thank you have a nice day." If Iran said to the United States, "Hey, we'll take like 80 F-14s...$4.8 billion wired on confirmation," we would say, "Um...no." It's a lengthy process in RL, but that's not what I am asking. I am simply asking you to do this realistically - such as, "The nation of The Conquer is interested in acquiring one C-240 miltary transport. We are a peaceful nation but in need of logistical aircraft for our soldiers...we offer to pay $98 million and hope this order is confirmed." I won't hold anyone down on it though, it's sooo much easier to write XX of this, wired. I'd just prefer it that way :P So confirmed, by the way.

Saipac, thanks for returning, discounted to $4.2 billion.

I should make this more apparent:

Buying products is not just, "XX of this, $XXX wired, thank you have a nice day." If Iran said to the United States, "Hey, we'll take like 80 F-14s...$4.8 billion wired on confirmation," we would say, "Um...no." It's a lengthy process in RL, but that's not what I am asking. I am simply asking you to do this realistically - such as, "The nation of The Conquer is interested in acquiring one C-240 miltary transport. We are a peaceful nation but in need of logistical aircraft for our soldiers...we offer to pay $98 million and hope this order is confirmed."

I won't hold anyone down on it though, it's sooo much easier to write XX of this, wired. I'd just prefer it that way :P

"Greetings. I am Andre Qudul, Ambassador of The Pricipality of Setnath. I have been sent to order one AC-240 'Caucas' missle platform. We wish to test the capabilities of your plane. Once we are sure it does all you say it can do we will order more."

Hoorah...well, nobody has to kill themselves over it, but this is nice

Thank you for contacting us, Andre Qudul. We will agree to a price of $104 million for the AC-240 cruise missile platform...we hope you enjoy. The unit is en route.

:arrow:

We'd like to purchase 288 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo planes for 28,224,000,000 please. Your transport is indeed impressive, and we think it will make a fine replacement for our currently aging air transport fleet.

OOC: it will just be a small order for now (i need to wait a while before going on another spending spree)

Anarresa is interested in purchacing some of these aircraft to replace our existing cargo aircraft. We would like 20 cargo versions and 7 tanker versions

That totals at:
1.96 billion for 20 standards
and
714 million for 7 tankers

The final price is 2,674,000,000
(Two billion, Six hundred Seventy-Four million)

You may deliver the aircraft at your own leisure.
It has been a pleasure doing buisness with you,
Anarresan Minister of Defence
Alan Schezar

Exonerate, as an ally by virtue of the LoD and NNA and probably several other counts as well, we are happy to agree to a contract on the C-240 'Pallas.' Since you require 288 aircraft, we can make these along a span of four NS years at a rate of 57 per year, with 60 able to be delivered immediately. The final price will be $25 billion; thank you for your business.

Anaressa, do not worry for the price - domestic production has started full-scale and your aircraft will be able to be produced at slightly lower costs; final price at $2.3 billion.

*Post Purchase Review*

These C-240's have met the Artitsan Government's full needs as light/medium cargo aircraft, Refueling Aircraft, and especially arms delivery Aircraft. Truely worth the cost.

Thank you The Zoogie People, we are extremely gracious for your discounts and generosity. We are currently in the process of setting up an international storefront, and when we do so, we'll be sure to return the favor.

*Post Purchase Review*

These C-240's have met the Artitsan Government's full needs as light/medium cargo aircraft, Refueling Aircraft, and especially arms delivery Aircraft. Truely worth the cost.

Thank you Artitsa, we hope that our aircraft will serve you well for years to come.

Exonerate, we look forward to purchasing from your storefront.

We'll take 10 of them please.We need shipments in a fast way that is reliable.money wired on confirmation.

We are sorry, Serbian Terrorists, but we have to deny your order. With the recent overhaul of the government and new, less corrpt defense administration, we are much more careful about our military exports and weapons proliferation.

We have not, do not, and will not sponsor, arm, aid, support, or sell to terrorists in any way. Your order has been denied. We are a peace-loving nation, not a terrorist sponsor.

TZP we need these our people in the east are dieing from famine we dont have any aircraft they are dieing please we need these planes!

I have a custom order for you once more.
An AC-240 with two pylons under each wing for AA-16 air-to-air missile plus the accompanying radar's and systems. It must also carry the full compliment of ALCM's. If possible, more pylons under the wing would be great as well. We need a fleet of 24 of these.

The Zoogie People,
The planes we ordered are doing extremely well. We have already used them for several troop transportations and logistical exercises. Therefore and because we have to replace our old KC 135s and C-141s, we would like to place another order
64x C-240
32x KC-240
Sincerely,

The Argyllian MoD would like to make an offer for the AC-240 ‘Caucus’ Cruise Missile Platform, it will be the replacement for a aging fleet of bombers that are expensive to maintain, initial order will be for 36 in three batches of 12 at £1.248 billion each. We hope this is acceptable to you.

Defense Procurment Agency

Artitsa - though we would strongly advise against using such a large, bulky, and relatively un-manueverable transport as a platform for air-to-air missiles, we will get to work on your custom order.

An advanced active radar system, similar to the one we use on our frontline air superiority fighter, will be fitted, and four pylons under each wing for AA-16 missiles have been added. For your convenience, the AA-16s are integrated into an altered avionics suite - this aircraft is now 'battle-ready', so to speak. The eighteen ALCM's can still be carried in the internal bays...

This was a custom order, so I'm afraid it has cost more to research and produce...the fleet of 24 will cost $2.62 billion.

Saipac - Thank you, we hope they will continue to perform well. Your order is confirmed at $9.5 billion.

Argyllian - Your order has been confirmed. We trust our aircraft will be most satisfactory.

Serbian Terrorists - If you do wish for aid for your 'people,' we will personally deliver them via KN-12 transports, built by Kazakhstania (the equivalent of a C-5 very heavy transport). However, I believe you roleplay not as a nation, but as terrorists, no? So where would this 'east' be? TG me with an explanation and I may help you. As of now, we have no records of your 'nation' having civilians.

I'll take 5 AC-240s. money wired.

I, a starting nation, would like to purchase 20 of each aircraft.

I thank you for your product, and when the total is conformed, the money will be wired over.

I look forward to working with you again.

Tropicland, we know little of your nation, and so our initial impulse is to deny your order. But we are united in defending Euroslavia...not that he needs it, but anyways. You have shown yourself as a nation against warmongering. Your order has been confirmed at a reduced price of $520 million. If Power and War so much as looks at Euroslavia with hostile intent, may these cruise missile platforms destroy his military installations..

Matterbug - as a starting nation, twenty aircraft is a lot. I'm not quite sure it's a wise way to spend $1.96 billion of your money...maybe two?

I see what you mean.

Thank you for your advice. I will then purchase 2.

Thank you for your help.

I will supply you your two cargoes for $190 million; thank you for your business; we hope they will turn out to be most satisfactory.

Thank you very much. I have wired it over.

You're sale is most appreciated.

That is fine. The missiles are actually for air defence against offending aircraft and I find the 200 mile range of the AA-16 to be quite nice.

I would suggest maybe making an AWACs or Electronics Warfare (EWC-240).

Interesting...Well, we are looking into an AWACs replacement for the E-767...I believe right now we are employing the large KN-12 AWACs version, E-767, and looking into an AWACs version of the E-7E7...Electronics Warfare is possible, though. I just feel this plane is very large for an AWACs.

I agree, but a EW version would be nice.

We have decided to follow up on your suggestion...an EW version is being developed as we speak...

I would like to buy:

30 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo

Money well be wired upon conformation.

The Conquer, thank you for returning to Zoogiedom storefronts. Your order is $2.9 billion, confirmed.

We, the Commonwealth of Tagria, Her Majesty's Government request he procurement of 2 Units with 1 option in 5 years.

Funds Wired: $196,000,000 (£106,000,000)

Your two units are en route and the order confirmed.

War in heaven would like 125 of the transport version, to take over the role of light/medium cargo transporters, and especcialy to replace earlier versions of the hercules still in use, we are also thinking of using around 25 of the planes to be converted to EW planes, or AWACs, but we are not quite sure yet.
We would also like 10 of the Air reffuling type, again to replace the ageing hercules.
We will have the money transfered through the bank of War in heaven immediately on confermation
OOC: this is the second RP ive done to purchase a type of weapon, last time i failed because my nation has terrorists in it that we are trying to eradicate.

OOC: or i may come back in a day or two! haha, i should read all the posts! :D
Anyway, if you could TG me when you have made the EW version could you please TG me?

We will certainly inform you when the EW version is completed.

-The Zoogie People

(You've got telegram.)

I would be very interested in an AWACS version to replace my aging E-3 Sentries. Could you TG me when you've developed an AWACS version?

Double Post

The seller is currently gone. I would suggest holding on to your orders here, or sending him a telegram.

As we have been involved in several small-scale aid efforts and have noticed the inefficiency of our own transports, we would like to purchase 5 of your fine C-240s. 490 million chocolate bars will be wired to you upon delivery.

I would suggest if possible a discount for Chocoholics Paradise. They helped me in a dire time.

Saipac, we are not going to use an AWACs version, not for this aircraft...we are looking into an AWACs aircraft, but only looking into one.

Chocoholics Paradise, we would be willing to provide you with five C-240s for the price of $400 million...

accepted and appreciated. looks like good deeds do pay for themselves :D

Indeed...that, and we're still building C-240s ourselves so they won't be too expensive.

Ill take one, I might buy more later on. For now I just need a armored, airborne cargo plane worthy of transporting my expiramental mechs to testing sites. "98 Million wired"

Ill take one, I might buy more later on. For now I just need a armored, airborne cargo plane worthy of transporting my expiramental mechs to testing sites. "98 Million wired"

The nation of Syldova will purchase:
50 cargo
30 tanker
50 weapon platform

~money wired~

Slydova, you are probably expending more than your defense budget and buying too much ... please reduce the order and explain your purpose.

Redmire, your order is confirmed at $94 million.

So has my order been accepted? I would also like to take the ammount of aircraft down from 125 of the cargo version to 105 of the cargo version, but i would like an extra 7 of the Re-fuel version due to the new government budget(the military will be getting more money very soon)
So now the order is:
105 cargo versions and
15 air re-fuel type.
plesure doing bussiness, our military will expand greatly if you accept this order, most graceciously
President Ben III
ex chief of the armed forces

The Elias Air Force has had a long standing requirement to replace Il-76 types in the medium strategic transport role. This airframe may suit our requirements however we are only interested in producing them indigenously after a direct purchase of 10 transport versions. (we will convert them all with indigenous engines and avionics).

The other issue is that we would like to trade for the production license possibly for a certain number of EA-80 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38933) Tactical Transport Planes judging by your lack of C-130s. This way the deal becomes much more cost effective as we only have to give Elias Aerospace a much smaller profit margin tan foreign customers.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

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The Elias Air Force has had a long standing requirement to replace Il-76 types in the medium strategic transport role. This airframe may suit our requirements however we are only interested in producing them indigenously after a direct purchase of 10 transport versions. (we will convert them all with indigenous engines and avionics).

The other issue is that we would like to trade for the production license possibly for a certain number of EA-80 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38933) Tactical Transport Planes judging by your lack of C-130s. This way the deal becomes much more cost effective as we only have to give Elias Aerospace a much smaller profit margin tan foreign customers.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

War in heaven; still, your requirement for such a large number of transports alarms us. We no longer question the validity of your request or how you will use them, but strongly advise using so many when our own requirement is 160 aircraft for now. If you wish, however, order confirmed - just reply indicating whether or not you wish to lower the numbers.

United Elias, your offer well received and appreciated by the Defense Agency here in Zoogiedom. We do in fact have C-130s...perhaps twenty of them...the variant for Antarctic landings...so we would be in need of an aircraft of that class. Therefore we take extreme interest in your EA-80.

Regarding the trade in aircraft; would it be possible for a trade of production liscenses instead? In other words, would you be able to supply us twenty EA-80 aircraft and the production rights in exchange for the production rights and the amount in money the ten EA-80 costs?

Your order for ten is confirmed at $90 million; production in our nation is beginning to pick up.

Zoogie International News

The KC-240s has now been recalled from Euroslavia, thus ending all Zoogie involvement with it...Power and War is still regarded as an enemy of the state of Zoogiedom, and will be watched closely.

In other news, a prototype ZaS(ZF)-43 'Gecko' was shot down today in international waters while on unarmed test patrol. No nations are in the vicinity.

For more information, see this report. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130016&highlight=)

Finally, a deal is pending between United Elias and Zoogiedom regarding the liscense of the C-240; United Elias could be the third potential buyer of the production rights.

Yes, we would most certainly be willing to trade for the production licenses and 20 EA-80A transport versions in return for the C-240 licence. We wil pay for the ten aircraft outright to account forthe higher unit cost of your aircraft than ours. We hope this is satisfactory.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

We find this ship of brilliant design, and it is similar to our currently classified "AG-01 Subspace Cargo Aircraft", which we are currently designing. Well done...

United Elias,

Your offer is satisfactory - the production rights and details are on their way to your nation, as is your order...the necessary funds have been wired. Thank you; we appreciate the deal that you have offered to us.

The Zoogie People


Austar Union, thank you very much for your comments.

The Federation of Wetland wishes to procure 4 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo at a price of 392 million. Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Argyllia has found your aircraft most acceptable and requires an additional 72 airframes of the AC-240 ‘Caucus’ Cruise Missile Platform variety for £7.488 billion,

Wetland, your order has been confirmed at a price of $387 million; thank you for purchasing from Zoogiedom.

Argyllia, we are delighted to hear that you have found the aircraft acceptable...while we advise against an order of seventy-two (seventy two cruise missile platforms? How many cruise missiles do you have?) AC-240, we will confirm the order.

Wetland, your order has been confirmed at a price of $387 million; thank you for purchasing from Zoogiedom.

Argyllia, we are delighted to hear that you have found the aircraft acceptable...while we advise against an order of seventy-two (seventy two cruise missile platforms? How many cruise missiles do you have?) AC-240, we will confirm the order.

As I'm sure you all know, or at least should know, I am the militaristic puppet of Zoogiedom. Requiring a cargo as well and without ideas for a separate cargo, as well as without time...well, anyways, I'm too lazy to create my own cargo and no longer wish to use all of my C-141s and some of my C-17s...so this is to make it official.


Greetings;

The nation of Chinese Army has long been interested in your HSC program. Furthermore, we require an airlift to strategically deploy our forces around the globe in the interests of peacekeeping. Our current inventory of transports consists mostly of 24 outdated C-5 Galaxies, 240 outdated C-141s, 100 outdated C-130Ks, and 200 C-17s...already we have plans under way to replace the C-5 with the An-225. However, we also wish to replace our C-141s and C-17s...in addition to this, we seek to scrap our B-52s used for a cruise missile platform and replace our Nimrod and 767-based refueling team...

Therefore Chinese Army wishes to order 260 C-240 'Pallas' cargoes, at a price of $25 billion, and 108 KC-240 'Pallas' at a price of $11 billion, and 60 AC-240 'Caucus' cruise missile platforms for $6 billion.


Please don't take that as an example, half of that useless crap was just so I could keep a tab on my other cargo inventory for Chinese Army...

AWACs version is a no-go; JSTARS is possible; EW is under development.

Jane's IG / Zoogie International News

Could the C-240 be used in military service for a second time? Already having been used in Colerica, there is now the possibility that it will be used against the Facist regime of Hogsweat to reclaim the nation for the people...even if it means a Socialist government.

We were extremely pleased with your C-240's perfomance. They got our emergency response teams where they needed to go in a mere fraction of the time it used to take. In fact, we loved them so much, we'd like to purchase another 15! Thank you so much, Zoogie.

No problem! We will confirm the order at $1.2 billion.

OOC: Time for some more!

Anarresa is again wishing to prucahace come of these wonderful aircraft.

That totals at:
11.76 billion for 120 standards
and
2.55 billion for 25 tankers

The final price is 14.31 billion (not including lowered costs of full scale production)

You may deliver the aircraft at your own leisure.
It has been a pleasure doing buisness with you,
Anarresan Minister of Defence
Alan Schezar

confirmed! 1.2 billion chocolate bars have been wired. thank you again. :D

Thank you Anaressa, for returning again to Zoogiedom International Storefronts. We hope our products will be satisfactory and suit all your needs...full scale production affects the cost, and lowers it to $13 billion.

It has been a pleasure doing buisness with you (again)

Wetland is very pleased with the transport plaines and wishes to procure an additional set.
We wish to buy 6 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo for 576 million and 4 KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platform for 416 million. The total would be 992 million florins.

We are very pleased with the planes we bought here. They are very capable of doing their job, even under the most extreme conditions. We used them at our annual wargames in our region, The Lost Continent. All our allies were impressed and I'm sure they will buy some as well. For now we would like to order an additional set:

128x C-240
48x KC-240
(We have the fundings. One of the main countries in our region, Liberated America, supports everyone who wants to build an army with supplies, equipment and fundings)

Money will be wired upon confirmation
Sincerely,

I will take 300 of these powerfull aircraft. Money will be sent now.

*Money wired*

Of course, Anarresa. We'll try to contact you when the EW version comes out in a few years (weeks).

Wetland, your order has been confirmed.

Saipac, we'd like to mention so many of them may be excessive with respect to your size; but if you have the fundings, I'm sure you will use them responsibly and have some utility for every one. Money will be discounted 90%; confirmed.

Aanmericaa, first off; that's way too many for your use; second off, go here (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=)

bump for zoogie

The Omzian Air Force, after extensive evaluation, expresses its serious interest in gaining a fleet of new medium range transport aircraft to replace the current fleet of C-17 Globemaster IIIs, to support the Omzian logistics operations and its airlift and mobility capabilities with both lighter and heavier ones. Because of this, we do plan to procure a total of 180 cargo versions of the C-240 transport aircraft to fill our needs, but military requirements for mass production, lower costs, and Omzian components (most notably in electronic, countermeasures, communications, and propulsion systems), the Omzian Air Force seeks the possibility to acquire a productions license for the C-240 Pallas cargo aircraft.

As we understand that this can be an important decision, the Omzian state-owned arms contractor OMASC offers some technologies in exchange of some technologies, such as improved engines, airborne radar systems, and countermeasure systems, or production license to our new C-78A Pelican light STOL transport aircraft. As always, we are willing to offer hard, cold cash, if necessary.

Ministry of Defence Press Release

Approximately two hours ago, a purchased C-240 transport aircraft undergoing OPEVAL (operational evaluation) crashed on approach to Salih Air Force Base on the Island of Kahtan. Currently we believe that all eight personnel aboard have been killed and an initial investigation into the accident will begin shortly. This tragedy follows weeks of succesful trials of the C-240 which is expected to be modified and license built by Elias Aerospace as the EA-240.

While no mechanical errors have so far been uncovered we will be contacting the manufacturers to further assist in the investigation. Obviously asny flaw in the designw ould have considerbale effects on teh decision to produce tha aircraft indigenously.


Thus far the following details are known about the flight.

21:30 Take Off from Abdullah Naval Air Station.

-High Speed Cruise to Kahtan Island-

22:03 Starts Descent from 28,000ft

22:17 Contact Lost and explosion reported approximately four miels short of runway.

Cargo: Only performance monitoring equipment.

Weather Conditions: Warm, humid conditions Light Winds, good visibility.

Omz222, we are currently operating a United Elias aircraft for a light transport, but would be willing to provide C-240 production liscenses in exchange for your technologies of airborne radar systems and countermeasures systems. Expect a delay of one NS years before your order is processed.

ZIN Press Release

We are sorry to hear that recently a C-240 transport aircraft crashed on approach to Salih AFB in UE territories. We offer our greatest condolences to your crew of ... eight.*

We assure you that our own C-240 aircraft and its components have gone years of successful testing since the final design was approved, and we have done to the farthest extent possible ensure the safety and dependability of the C-240.

However, we will allow for the fact that each unique batch of C-240 aircraft is different, and have located your purchase of C-240 aircraft to be in a batch that is also common to our third operational squadron of 24 aircraft. Each of these aircraft will be undergoing more testing, examination, and the supplier of all materials will be contacted and scrutinized. We take this accident most seriously and intend to find, root out, and fix the problem as soon as possible.

Again, the problem is expected to be batch-limited, as we have had no problems thus far with our first, second, and fourth squadrons, although all squadron records will be further reviewed. Our third squadron has had 'no major problems' either, but we will look into this further.

OOC - Please telegram me...

Omz222, the reason for delay is that we will be strenously checking up on materials and testing the batch extensively...it will be produced along with our fifth and sixth operational squadrons.

* Flight crew is three...

We have reviewed records of prior orders, which seem to have no problem, and have checked those orders produced along with elements of the first, second, and fourth squadrons...we assure you that your products have no problems. United Elias's batch may not have any problems either; it may be isolated to a single unit. But as a security precaution, to ensure the safety of your pilots, all orders from after this post will be put on hold until the investigation is complete.

:arrow:

This little arrow is for the sole reason of getting to the next page, so that there is in fact a real eight page.

I would like to buy 500 of these fantastic airplanes. Money will be sent now.

*money wired*

We should note that, unlike direct purchases of Zoogie-manufactured aircraft, the Omzian Air Force will be using some indigenously developed parts and the aircraft will be as well, assembled at Omzian factories. because of this, and the state of the previous two major two batches, we do request a technology transfer and license delivered for the crago aircraft to undergo mass production (prmarily for wartime uses), in exchange of the systems mentioned. If necessary, we will pay more money for the quicker time.

Also, unlike what has perceived, the C-78A is smaller than the C-130 and equivalent and carries less cargo. But aside from this, it offers excellent performace in landing and taking off from unprepared fields, and has full capability for special forces operations.

Regarding airborne radar systems however, what we can offer are sent with a telegram.

OOC: The telegram will be sent shortly.

We should note that, unlike direct purchases of Zoogie-manufactured aircraft, the Omzian Air Force will be using some indigenously developed parts and the aircraft will be as well, assembled at Omzian factories. because of this, and the state of the previous two major two batches, we do request a technology transfer and license delivered for the crago aircraft to undergo mass production (prmarily for wartime uses), in exchange of the systems mentioned. If necessary, we will pay more money for the quicker time.

Also, unlike what has perceived, the C-78A is smaller than the C-130 and equivalent and carries less cargo. But aside from this, it offers excellent performace in landing and taking off from unprepared fields, and has full capability for special forces operations.

Regarding airborne radar systems however, what we can offer are sent with a telegram.

OOC: The telegram will be sent shortly.

Aanmericaa, first off; that's way too many for your use; second off, go here (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=)

Yeah...it's still too many. You'll have to wait a while...(also, orders are on hold now; this is Zoogie for all those who don't know.

Finally, this product has been placed on hold just as a security precaution while we investigate a crash in a unit sold to UE. (OOC - UE, you aren't ttrying to sabotage my business, are you? :P)

This aircraft, which has also been tested and tested again and again, is still available for your cargo needs currently...a much larger cargo, the C-71 'Progeny' (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131905)

Omz222, we understand...the liscense will be delivered for the cargo immediately...(OOC - sorry, I forgot you were producing them domestically). The C-78A we are interested in, but we do not require many of them - therefore we will purchase them individually, rather buy a liscense...

PS - I mean UE, please telegram me.

Most excellent, as the telegram has already been sent, containing inital information regarding the units we are willing to offer up front as part of the deal. We are also willing to pay an additional $200 million dollars USD, and that has also been wired. But as said, the technologies trasfers of Omzian components is restricted to up to 2 sensor technologies, or 2 additional technologies for the listed missiles.

Regarding the C-78A units however, for orders, please direct to the OMASC main thread. Arms contractor OMASC will be notified regarding this, and will offer a discount in connection to the current deal.

Arms Procurement and Exports Management,
Omzian Air Force

Omz222, thank you, will we be reviewing the technologies...I'll look for your main thread.

:arrow:

Ill have

240 C-240

the money will be wired upon confermation

MINISTRY OF DEFENCE - Department of Aviation Safety (DAS)


INITIAL INCIDENT REPORT 23/03/04

The initial enquiry board has concluded that the investigation into the catasprophic failure of airframe UE-595604 should focus on the aircraft's powerplants, in addition to the plane's flight management computers. From initial eyewitness statements and instrument recording data, the board belives that the aircraft suffered an engine failure while it was on short final, just forty seconds prior to landing. At the time, due to the adverse weather coinditions, the crew had elected to use the autoland system to complete the approach and we know that the system was enagged at the time of the failure. The system, faced with this severe malfunction then immediately initiated compensatory measures by raising the nose in order to abort the approach while using the rudders and the other engine to quickly turn away from the glideslope. However, the system overcompensated and the aircraft, having been forced into a steep turn at the same time as the nose was raised, stalled. Although the flightcrew immediately attempted to recover, it was too late and the aircraft descended rapidly, nose up, into the ground. The wreackage co-oberates this theory as the forward sections of the fueselage are spread in a smaller debris field than the trailking edge of the wings and the vertical stabilisers.

Our recomendations are to continue the investigation focusing on these two systems during which all of the active C-240 fleet should be grounded. We believe that the problems are resolvable and considering thst the proposed EA-240 will ude Elias avionics and engines, this incident should not affect the decision to license build the design.

The Kaisor, it is not open for sales currently due to a crisis involving a unit crash...

United Elias:

Ampar Corp will continue to investigate these two system, and is now focusing its materials check to the engines; specifically, looking for samples of materials used in that batch to test them in comparison with materials used in other batches.

We are slightly baffled by the pilot's decision to switch to the autoland system, as the aircraft has none. However, we will look into the avionics computer systems as well.

OOC: No autoland, is this the stone age? :shock: All large commercial aircraft have these systems.

Really? Hm...I don't know about that, I remember hearing that an aircraft (commercial airliner) could fly by itself, but landing and takeoff was manual...ah well, if it does, then okay.

take off is manual, autoland is common but it is only used in poor weather as otherwise the pilot never really gets to fly.

Jeruselem Aerospace requires 10 x C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo for it's expansion into the cargo business. 980 million will be wired as soon as order is confirmed.

CEO

OOC: C-240 will be back online shortly...I am telegramming UE with a request to resolve the issue soon.

IC:

Your order has been confirmed at 900 million to celebrate the first order in a long time, due to the grounding of the C-240.

More on the C-240 incident coming up.

I'll tg you later.

MINISTRY OF DEFENCE - Department of Aviation Safety (DAS)




The initial enquiry board has concluded that the investigation into the catasprophic failure of airframe UE-595604 should focus on the aircraft's powerplants, in addition to the plane's flight management computers. From initial eyewitness statements and instrument recording data, the board belives that the aircraft suffered an engine failure while it was on short final, just forty seconds prior to landing. At the time, due to the adverse weather coinditions, the crew had elected to use the autoland system to complete the approach and we know that the system was enagged at the time of the failure. The system, faced with this severe malfunction then immediately initiated compensatory measures by raising the nose in order to abort the approach while using the rudders and the other engine to quickly turn away from the glideslope. However, the system overcompensated and the aircraft, having been forced into a steep turn at the same time as the nose was raised, stalled. Although the flightcrew immediately attempted to recover, it was too late and the aircraft descended rapidly, nose up, into the ground. The wreackage co-oberates this theory as the forward sections of the fueselage are spread in a smaller debris field than the trailking edge of the wings and the vertical stabilisers.

Our recomendations are to continue the investigation focusing on these two systems during which all of the active C-240 fleet should be grounded. We believe that the problems are resolvable and considering thst the proposed EA-240 will ude Elias avionics and engines, this incident should not affect the decision to license build the design.


INCIDENT RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT 3/04/04

Upon further investigation into the loss of C-240 type aircraft, tail number UE-595604, the board of inquiry has recommendations to make to the Elias Air Force and other nations who operate or intend to operate this airframe. The problem is two fold, firstly the aircraft's powerplants are suffering from excess fatigue due to the high temperatures of supersonic flight. This, in our opinion is because the engines have been designed for operation on subsonic airframes, and operate from 40%-50%thruist for the majprity of the flight. However, the engines havve been incorrectly flying on thrusts of 60%+ to ensure a cruising speed of close to Mach 1. This has led to overall higher temperatures in the combustion chambers. The powerplants cannot be said to be of high quality manufacture, and therefore this overheating has caused premature fatigue which in turn causes catasprophic engine failure.

The Elias Precision Engineering Corporation which has designed and built powerplants for every single Elias aircraft and ship design as well as hundreds of international projects, has submitted a bid to replace the engines on all Elias models, and also to be offered on all new new build aircraft by The Zoogie People. If the contract is gained, Elias PRecision Engineering will build prototypes with great rapidity and complete certification of the EPE-158. Specifications on the new powerplant type is subjectto change but a thrust rating of 88,000lb+ is expected. COntrary to the existing engines, the EPE-158 iuses the follwoing princpiles to ensure a reliable powerplant taht can be operated at 70%+ thrust for teh entire duration of cruise if fuel payload allows.

-Integrally bladed rotors: In most stages, disks and blades are made from a single piece of advnaced alloy for better performance and less air leakage.
-Long chord fan blades reduce danger of heat related emergency and contribute to engine efficiency.
-Low-aspect, high-stage-load compressor blades: Once again, wider blades offer greater strength and efficiency.
-Alloy high-strength burn-resistant titanium compressor with innovative titanium alloy increases durability, allowing the engine to run hotter and faster for greater thrust and efficiency.
-Floatwall combustor: Thermally isolated panels of oxidation-resistant high cobalt material make the combustion chamber more durable, which helps reduce scheduled maintenance and again improve safety.

Secondly, the aircraft's FADEC (Fully Automated Digital Electronic Control) systems are not correctly programmed or installed. This has meant that the autoland system is not recieving the correct information as to the state of the engines. In the crash that we have studied, the autopilot misinterprated signals from the engine monitoring computers and compensated incorrectly, resulting in the loss of the airframe.

To rectify this, an avvionices redesign is required, which utilises triple rendundnat sensors that all sned information to every part of teh instrumentation and autopilot system so software glitches and any unsual discrepanies are immediately idenftified. An integrated systemal health monitoring interface will also mean that a seperate system routinely checks all the other systems for errors.

Ampar Corporation, which designed the C-240 Pallas, will award Elias Precision Engineering Corporation for new powerplants for the Pallas, which will receive a mid life upgrade. It is also awarding Zoogie Aerospace Corporation and Star Aerospace Systems, two of its primary competitors, to redesign the avionics.

Elias Precision Engineering Corporation
Quality, Ingenuity, Technology

Product Release: EPE-158

The Elias Precison Engineering Corporation is proud to announce that after a rigourous testing regime, the EPE-158 Turbofan has been certified by the Ministry of Defence Department of Aviation Safety for use on military and commercial aircraft.

The EPE-158 is offered in three different thrust ratings to meet the requirements of the various types of C-240 offered and utilises the most advanced construction and design processes anywhere in the world. The powerplant is now fully ready and available to be produced for the Elias Aerospace Corporation which will manufacture the EA-340 (license built derivative of teh Pallas) as well as the C-240 manufactured by The Ampar Corporation.

We once again thank the companies involved for giving us the oppurtunity to fulfill the contract and we are confident that our product will once again deliver immaculate service.

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Features

-Integrally bladed rotors: In most stages, disks and blades are made from a single piece of advnaced alloy for better performance and less air leakage.
-Long chord fan blades reduce danger of heat related emergency and contribute to engine efficiency.
-Low-aspect, high-stage-load compressor blades: Once again, wider blades offer greater strength and efficiency.
-Alloy high-strength burn-resistant titanium compressor with innovative titanium alloy increases durability, allowing the engine to run hotter and faster for greater thrust and efficiency.
-Floatwall combustor: Thermally isolated panels of oxidation-resistant high cobalt material make the combustion chamber more durable, which helps reduce scheduled maintenance and again improve safety.

Specifications

EPE-158-100:

Maximum Diameter (Inches): 135

Length (Inches): 287

Weight (Lb.): 17,260

Thrust Rating (Lb.): 96,000lb

Unit Cost: 9.65 million


EPE-158-95:

Maximum Diameter (Inches): 135

Length (Inches): 287

Weight (Lb.): 16,650

Thrust Rating (Lb.): 92,000lb

Unit Cost: 9.35 million


EPE-158-90:

Maximum Diameter (Inches): 130

Length (Inches): 282

Weight (Lb.): 16,150

Thrust Rating (Lb.): 88,000lb

Unit Cost: 9.10 million

Thank you for your assistance, United Elias. Thanks to your expertise and help, Ampar Corporation is back in business.

-Mark Parsons
CEO of Ampar Corporation

The nation of Matterbuggy would like to purchase 50 of these wonderful planes, to update our army.

We thank our ally very much.

- John Carter
Secretary of Defense

Of course. As our old squadrons are being scrapped and remade, we will accomodate your order into our new first squadron. As an ally, we will discount it to $6.5 billion; thank you and have a nice day.

Brian Dredon
Minister of Defense

Our nation thanks you. We have wired the money over.

- John Carter
Secretary of Defense

Being West Quiq is a new, small nation, we will purchase one AC-240 from our ally, the Zoogie People. We thank you and if should need any of our services to contact us.

Head of Defense, Rae Yaing

The Al-Sabir Airforce would like to purchase 48 KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platforms to replace the aging KC-135.
Total: $6.816.000.000

Money will be wired in two parts: first half right after the confirmation. The other half 6 NS months later.

Sincerely,

Mohammed El Kadi
Ministry of Defense
The Emirate of Al-Sabir

In honor of your love for small fonts, we have decided to confirm your order with the smallest font possible. As your requirement is only one, and you are a regional ally, and you are lacking in money, we will provide one AC-240 for no charge. Thank you.

Al-Sabir, your order has been confirmed at $6.8 billion.

On behalf of our Department of Defense, I would like to thank you most greatfully. The citizens of West Quiq will appreciate this if we should ever go into war. Again, thank you and if you should ever be in need of the services of West Quiq, telegram us immediately.

Head of Defense, Rae Yaing

You are most welcome. Any time you are in need, you may contact us as well. Oh, and congratulations on your factory bid.

We would like to buy 100 AC-240 for $14,8 billion

The money will be wired upon confirmation.

We would like to buy 40 of these fine aircraft, in the medium cargo role (25), the ELINT role (10) and the missile carrier role (5).

*Money Wired*

The Commonwealth of Granzi, in the process of revamping our airforce, discovered a startling lack of non-combat military aircraft. To that effect, we would like to purchase:

40 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo planes
30 KC-240 ‘Pallas’ Tanker Platforms
20 AC-240 ‘Pallas’ Cruise Missile Platforms
20 EC-240 ‘Caucus’ Electronic Warfare Platforms

for a total of $15.78 Billion. Thank you and payment will be wired upon confirmation.

Friyusistan, the AC-240 and the EC-240 are our two highest priority vehicles. We sell them only to more trusted nations...we don't believe we know you; therefore, will have to deny your order.

Lunatic Retard Robots, your order has been confirmed at 20% off by virtue of number and alliance. Thank you...and argh, ever since I updated the prices I can't remember how much they cost...ah well.

Granzi, your order is confirmed at $12.6 billion by virtue of alliance and of mass purchase. We trust that these aircraft will fullfill much of the logistical and non combat warfare needs of your new air force...delivery is on the way.

We thank you for the discount and hope our nations can work together in the future.

Well, I supose I'll star loocking for another plane, but this was great, congratulations! you've made a great job creating this babies! ;)

The ASAF is re-organising. We need to replace our aging B-52s (used as cruise missile platform). That's we hy we would like to procure twelve (12) EC-240s.

Money will be wired upon confirmation

The ASAF is re-organising. We need to replace our aging B-52s (used as cruise missile platform). That's we why we would like to procure twelve (12) EC-240s.

Money will be wired upon confirmation

The ASAF is re-organising. We need to replace our aging B-52s (used as cruise missile platform). That's we why we would like to procure twelve (12) EC-240s.

Money will be wired upon confirmation

Friyusistan, thanks...hopefully we can improve relations in the future. What is your stance on war and diplomacy by the way, and how do you plan to use AC-240s?

Al Sabir, I assume you mean AC-240s (cruise missile platform)...confirmed at a 85% discount. Thank you.

Rigth now, my nation enjoys peace. Recently we were involved in the war against Unified Sith, as a member of the CCIA, but our troops retreated from there, because Midlonia, the country that asked for our help, didn't even show up in the battle. The war ended in nothing. We have very strong alliances with Jordaxia and Wetland. Our country doesn't usually get involved in wars, but if an allie needs help, we are there. But still we have a big army, provided entirely by Clan Smoke Jaguar, trought a 5 year contract. Since then, we have added some FB-1 figthers (developed along with Wetland) and 2 cavalry regiments. We wanted to use the AC-240 as a defensive weapon. In case of an attack to our nation, we would use them to attack from long distances and try to convince them to stop the agression.
We would like to have closer relations between our countries. You're certainly a strong nation, and we would be honored to be an ally of you.

Oops.. doble post :S

Well, then, why didn't you say you were an ally of my ally before? :P

Your order for a hundred AC-240s has been confirmed, and though it is quite a lot, it is being mass produced and discounted to $11 billion.

Anarresa has again returned to purchace your wonderous aircraft
We would like:
25 EC-240 Caucus' for 3.8 billion

It has been a pleasure

Well thanks!

Maybe we could stablish an embassy in your country?

Anarressa, confirmed and shipping soon to your (nearby) nation...reduced price to $3.2 billion. Thank you...and Friyusistan, an exchange of embassies is acceptable.

The Free People of Kazakhstania's Air Force Airborne Divisision would like to enter a contract for an additional 30 aircraft over the next Ten Years (NS). We wish spare parts that are needed on demand to be delivered within a 15 year period, then production rights to the aircraft in 16 years. If these demands are met, we will gladly pay. What does your fine people say, towards our order for your fine aircraft?

Anyway, we thankyou. Will discuss later. Out.

(P.S. Those are BIG ASS engines :D )

OOC: Were smaller, than UE fixed them up for me :P

The Free People of Kazakhstania's Air Force Airborne Divisision would like to enter a contract for an additional 30 aircraft over the next Ten Years (NS). We wish spare parts that are needed on demand to be delivered within a 15 year period, then production rights to the aircraft in 16 years. If these demands are met, we will gladly pay. What does your fine people say, towards our order for your fine aircraft?

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Your contract for thirty more C-240s over the course of ten years is accepted, with an estimated cost of $122.6 million per unit...any spare parts (?) that you will need will be delivered, and production rights will be granted for free as a token of goodwill.

*Money Wired*

No more to say. Thanks.

We would like to know the costs for a 50 C-240 ‘Pallas’ Medium Cargo, to be delivered in 5 years.

The Alconian Naval Air Branch would like to purchase 3 cargo variants and 3 cruise missle varients of the C-240 to verify if they will meet the long range, high speed needs of shipping defense.

Friyusistan, the estimated costs for a contract of fifty C-240 'Pallas' cargo aircraft would be $6.3 billion for you.

Alcona and Hubris, your order has been confirmed at $965 million.

Money Wired

The AC-240s we bought earlier have proven to buy very useful and quite deadly as well. Their enormous firepower has impressed everyone in our airforce. The single squadron (666th Squadron :wink: ) of AC-240s we have, is capable of striking over 300 targets in one single flight. That's why we would like to procure another twelve (12) AC-240s.

Money will be wired upon confirmation

The AC-240s we bought earlier have proven to buy very useful and quite deadly as well. Their enormous firepower has impressed everyone in our airforce. The single squadron (666th Squadron :wink: ) of AC-240s we have, is capable of striking over 300 targets in one single flight. That's why we would like to procure another twelve (12) AC-240s.

Money will be wired upon confirmation

Your twelve AC-240s will be procured at 75% of the per-unit price; thank you and we are glad that they are serving your needs so well.

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fifty percent of money transfered. Remaining 50 percent wired upon aircraft arrival

-Thank You.

Delivery of C-240 'Pallas' units to Alcona and Hubris has officially ended; the last unit being shipped out today.

Remaing funds wired...thank you...