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In responce to the recent border skirmishes with Mongolian Forces, and a terrorist attack in downtown Warhammer, we are preparing to invade Mongolia.

I have a massed my forces at the border, they are currently waiting for orders to attack.

Military targets in Ullann Bator will be hit first with cruise missles, follwing that, other military targets around the country will be hit. I'm going to attempt to take out bridges and airports also.

General Devon: Target those missiles to their capitol city! We will fire them at moments notice.

*At airbases throughout Andromeda MIG-25, and MIG-31 are taking off*

Credonia protests this act of imperialism. Cease your plans to take over this nation or a coalition will be massed to prevent your take over of this sovreign nation.

Credonia protests this act of imperialism. Cease your plans to take over this nation or a coalition will be massed to prevent your take over of this sovreign nation.

Although we stood by quietly before, we must point out that you are famed for imperialism, Credonia.

Just because poeple call us imperialists doesnt mean we are. Youve never seen me take over a nation, EVER for any reason what so ever. Thats what the definition of imperialism is.

OOC: just look at all of the threads ive entered. Not one states where i have taken over a nation, except for hamil but that was only because the owner didnt want it and handed it over (Hamil)

Hey Credonia, stay out of this. No one ever asked you to intevene.

We dont care, and were going to anyway. Stand down or there will be trouble. You have no right to try to take over a sovreign nation just because there are frequent border skirmishes with them. Use diplomacy, should you continue with your plans to annex this nation, i will be forced to take actions upon you, alone or with allies and supporters. Either way, im going to take action, and trust me you dont want that. It's your call.

Credonia, You better be prepared to take on my whole region then.

Although your forces are most likely bigger than mine, you would not win a war vs. my whole region. It would leave both of us devestated and vulnerable. You of all people should understand this and not to involve in other nations issues.

(My real founding date is February 9, 03)

Credonia, any attempt by you to intervene in this singularly mano e. mano war will be met by our forces. Unless you feel like having a few divisions of Hammers razing your capital by the end of the month, I suggest you back down.

This will be your only warning. The Wars of Expansion may return soon, and your lands look ripe.

Kaiser Petrovich IV

(Tremalkien Stats: Real Founding, February 9, 03. Population: Over two billion. Economy: Frightening. Defense is main priority, etc, etc. Oh, and I finish in the top 100 or 50 for most industrial stats...that is 100 or 50 in the world.)

Thanks dude for the help.

your forces will have to be met with mine as well, I don't want to do it but it is not your place to intervein. Your intentions are good though.

It is indeed the right of any group to intervene to protect another. Have none of you heard of diplomacy? I apologize if there are extenuating circumstances, but I doubt a direct invasion of Mongolia is necessary. If made, we will not stop participants in Mapalgetia from going overseas to aid Mongolia.

Should it come to war to protect an innocent nation, then so be it, but Credonian foreign policy (the updated list) dictates that Credonia makes it its personal duty to try to help and protect any nations for any reason from oppression. We WILL not back down. So this is my final warning, use diplomacy and stop your invasion, or you will most certainly be met with armed resistence from Mongolia, Credonia, and its many many allies.

We support these imperial actions, in the past Argyllia has tried to build an empire without sucess :cry: . We will help you invade mongolia and fend off Credonia, just ask.

PM Daniel Holland

The Credonian government stands not alone, this grave injustice has not gone un-noticed, the Civil Disobedients are determined to pull this out of the shadows, we too stand in defence of this innocent nation and its sovereignty.

There shall be no invasion, passive or armed.

My Regards
Prime Minister Matthews.

BUMP

BUMP

OOC: I suggest that credonia only uses limited amounts of troops so as to make this a fair RP.
I am willing to help, but i must also admit that credonia is slightly out of order, the NS rules states clearly that any nation may be ignored, so if they say that they dont want you then you cant really do anything.

I will through ask for alliances that i am part of to help me if any WMDs are used, civil rights abused or plain GODMODING, i will then not care what happens to your nation.

Thanks for the help Agyrilla. Credonia...if you knew what was good for you, you wounldnt intervene in others problems.

We will not refrain from making full use of the strength of any participant who wants to intervene in this matter. Credonia and Civil Disobedients, should we proceed with strategic planning?

OOC: I assume this is RL Mongolia, invaded from Siberia?

I have put my forces on high alert, due to other nations hostility towards me. We have currently began strategic planning, and the national draft has been started. The People's Militia has also began a two-week training course. ESB has also began operation (Enemy Suppression Barrage). Any un-authorized flights over Andromeda Region, will be shot down without warning.

OCC: It is Siberia.

Troops have been deployed via gyrocopter over Inner Mongolia to Mongolia. They are mainly in the Hentiyn nuruu and Hangayn nuruu. Troops are also stationed in the mountains outside Bulgan, Erdenet, and Darhan. Tank forces are being deployed in the vicinity of Choybalsan.

The infantry (everyone but the tanks) have dug in to the mountains, building caves, trenches, etc. The trenches are set three lines deep, with concrete bunkers being built and anti-tank and machine guns installed. G1 and G2 gyrocopters will be used for air superiority and ground attack, respectively.

EDIT: This is only the plan. If gyrocopters are engaged, none of this will have started.

Tremalkier stands by its proclamations. Either the forces arrayed to stop this war will stand down, or they will be met by Tremalkien steel. The Kaiser has prepared a statement to this order.

"We all know that a nation that threatens with its allies is of the lowest class of fighters. Credonia is such a nation. Unable to fight by themselves they have already threatened to bring in their "many allies" to help them. To that effect we now challenge Credonia to single combat. Our forces against theirs. No allies, no WMD, just troop vs. troop. We await their decision, the Hammers march shall continue."

In other war related news Tremalkien news agencies revealed that Tremalkier will not participate in the direct fighting for Mongolia, unless the invader appears to be suffering irreversible odds, in which case Tremalkien units will be dispatched. The main bulk of Tremalkien arms will instead be directed at the nation of Credonia, whom already outnumbered and outgunned by Tremalkien forces has been quoted as a "ripe nation for annexation".

(OOC: Remember my real founding date is Feb 9,03. I hate having to repeat this so often)

Ah, so I see you consider yourselves low class of fighters, having noted that you will not participate in the fighting.

Note that Mapalgetian forces are now completing the bunkers, having not been shot at. They hungrily await the first enemies to attempt to die.

OOC: There are around 300,000 soldiers in the north of Mongolia.

Ah, so I see you consider yourselves low class of fighters, having noted that you will not participate in the fighting.

Note that Mapalgetian forces are now completing the bunkers, having not been shot at. They hungrily await the first enemies to attempt to die.

OOC: There are around 300,000 soldiers in the north of Mongolia.
(OOC: No, I said I would be invading Credonia, the largest of the intereveners. That is a much bigger task than just holding off some tiny little nations attempts to invade an easily defended nation.

OOC: its not as easy to invade as you think, im bordered by my allies, some of which are older than you and more powerul so you might want to watch those threats ;-) just a fair warning

My apologies then.

The invasion still has not come. They must be frightened.

OOC: Credonia, you can control my troops after 1PM today, as I will not be here for a while.

OOC: alright.

IC: Credonia will not attack should steps be taken to at least use diplomacy and talk matters out with Mongolia to stop a mindless war in which thousands maybe even hundreds of thousands of innocent Mongolian lives will be lost for an unjust cause.

Ah, so I see you consider yourselves low class of fighters, having noted that you will not participate in the fighting.

Note that Mapalgetian forces are now completing the bunkers, having not been shot at. They hungrily await the first enemies to attempt to die.

OOC: There are around 300,000 soldiers in the north of Mongolia.
(OOC: No, I said I would be invading Credonia, the largest of the intereveners. That is a much bigger task than just holding off some tiny little nations attempts to invade an easily defended nation.

Credonia is the largest of the internevers? are you sure?

OOC: its not as easy to invade as you think, im bordered by my allies, some of which are older than you and more powerul so you might want to watch those threats ;-) just a fair warning
(OOC: Aye, and I said one on one did I not? I don't want to bring allies into this, nothing more to ruin a good war then making massive coalitions of badly RPed people throwing absurd numbers around. No, best is at most 3 vs 3, at tops. As for the largest, woops, missed you there Civil Disobedients, I guess Credonia was just talking more than you, so I missed ya. As for larger than me, how many neighbors you got with well over two billion people whom finish in the top 100 and 50 on all economic issues?)

Credonia, no-one ask you to be a part of this. Get Out!

*All my strategic bombers are taking off from airbases throughout Warhamer headed towards enemy lines. Also, my tank divisions are a-massing along the border with several thousand troops.

OOC: lucky im leaving anyway

IC: Due to the outbreak of World War VII yesterday, Credonia has put all global forces in high alert and is now fousing on helping all of its allies who were attacked by terrorists last night (there was a hell of a lot of them). No forces will be tranported to Mongolia due to the imminent threat coming from nations involved in WWVII Should this conflict rage on after WWVII is over, Credonia will reconsider sending troops in to secure the nation. At this time all we can give is our moral support to coalition forces standing up against the imperialists. Good luck.


[signed]
Alexander Nicolas Sutton
Emperor of the Credonian Empire

MMF2 Midnight interceptors have taken off from Ulaan Bator to intercept the strategic bombers. MMA2 Mobile Anti-Tank guns are prepared and brought up along the roads.

The infantry know that the tanks can't move in their mountains, but they are heavily entrenched nonetheless.

To Warhammer

We ask permission to help you in your fight for Mongolia, if so can we base the 2nd and 3rd Fighter Groups in Siberia. Ground Forces may follow later depending on developments.

PM Daniel Holland

To Warhammer

We ask permission to help you in your fight for Mongolia, if so can we base the 2nd and 3rd Fighter Groups in Siberia. Ground Forces may follow later depending on developments.

PM Daniel Holland

You have my permission to use my land as a staging ground.

*Bombers are en-route to strategic locations, and military installations. Fighters have also been assigned to protect the bombers.*

*Cruise Missles have also been targeted at the capitol city of Ulann Bator*

My Strategic Bombers are also taking off and are en-route to certain targets in Mongolia.

(Andromeda Alliance)

The interceptors circle above the Sothan bombers. They dart downwards, slamming on VTOL brakes as they fire three missiles each, one at each bomber.

Other interceptors pull out of Mongolia, flying back to Mapalgetian carrier MNS Throw. Their job is finished.

Several bombers were lost on both sides, however, 60% of them made it to their targets. The target were reported destroyed, and the remining bomber force went home. MIG-29's and Su-35's also engaged enemy fighters to protect the bombers.

Another wave is taking off to pound ground forces into the ground in Northern Mongolia.

Also, cruise missiles are being targeted at a possible carrier threat in the ocean.

Soon, my whole region will be ready to prepare a full scale invasion of Mongolia and its allies.

From: Mapalgetia
To: The Warhammer Syndicate

We surrender the nation of Mongolia to you. It may fight to the best of its abilities, but our troops are pulling out to fight in Ayur. We wish to be regarded as neutral forces during our retreat.

I accept your postion to pull out of this war, it was a wise choice. Your forces will not be shot at unless we are shot at.

The Invasion force crossed the border last night and is making good progress towards the capitol city.

Clan Turner forces have set up defensive postions around the capital of Warhammer Syndicate there are aproximatley 56,000 troopsmade up of aircraft, tanks, Heavy artilery, and light infantry.

10,000 paratroopers have taken hold of civilian airports for a larger force of Turner soldiers to come in to the country.

Turner speical forces are currently attacking mongolian supply chains.

Turner inteligence officers are conducting operations to locate and eliminate mongolian leaders

Its good to fight alongside you again Comrade Weis my forces will preotect your captial city from any threat i have brought in aircraft cpaable of intercepting any missile the enemy might send and a new experimental missile defense system to intercept and destroy any type of nuclear weapon

Today, a Mongolian offical was taken prisoner after a group of his followers were detained by General D-Von. They are being taken back to Warhammer for interorrgation and questioning.

Warhammer forces are currently hunting down any remaining resistance throughout the country-side. The capitol city of Mongolia have been taken under Warhammer control and the city is on 24 hour military lockdown.

There are military checkpoints all over the country, anyone found helping the Mongolian cause will be excuted on the spot.

It is also my honour to serve alongside Clan Turner in this war.

Turner special forces have currently turned their attention to the underground resistance in mongolia they are redirecting their tactics to an anti-terrorist team and will be supplied as such

10,000 engineers are curently fortifying the catptured mongolian airport for a new larger force of 3 million soldiers not including the airforcewhen these troops arrive divisions will be moved to key strategic points in mongolia and 5 divisions sent to camp, out of range, underneath the foothills of mountain ridge beleived to be the headquarters of an ally Army to mongolia these forces will be safegaurded by the 20th army air divsion made up of 25 super cobras and 30 apache attack craft plus 30 transport helo's

The Justinopian Kingdom strongly backs Credonia and believes NOT TO TAKE OVER MONGOLIA! if this act is done, you can assure The Justinopian Kingdom shall take it back and restore the nation and then destroy all nations that attacked Mongolia.


Seeking allies in this affair: Please Post if wanting to be allies

The Justinopian Kingdom has sent out 3 Million soldiers along with 89 nuclear weapons and has taken back Ulaan Batar. But, the Parliament and Military departments are willing to negotiate a treaty

Mongolia is already under AA control, the war is over. You have no right to intervene, also your nation is really small, and I doubt you would have any nukes whatsoever.

Cruise Missiles have been fired at Justinopian Kingdom for intervening in this war, also, if you use nuclear weapons, I will destroy you at moments notice.

I will be sending 150,000 troops to reinforce the capitol city, more will be sent if they are even fired at while on their way. Being as how I'm a peacefull country, I don't have the weapons to send a larger force, as of now, all of my weapons facilitys have been notified to work at full power, with more being built, so in no time at all I will have around 500,000 more troops to help our cause.

I'm also putting my Strategic Forces on Red Alert, and we are powering up the orbital weapons plateform and Targeting the Justinopian Kingdom.

OOC: Your too small to have 3 million troops and 89 nuclear weapons.

Justinopian Kingdom has sent out Reconsaissance and Weapon interception stallites and star cruisers are commanding control of all space above Justinopian Kingdom. 9 nuclear weapons have targeted and HIT Warhammer Syndicate and all military areas have been put at high alert and full power military production

Justinopian Kingdom has sent out Reconsaissance and Weapon interception stallites and star cruisers are commanding control of all space above Justinopian Kingdom. 9 nuclear weapons have targeted and HIT Warhammer Syndicate and all military areas have been put at high alert and full power military production

29 million troops have been sent to Justinopian kingdom and have siezed control of the capital city and its fleeing political leaders the Outlaw and the Avenger star ships have already destroyed the starships above justopian kingdom and their orbiting satelites have been hacked rendering them useless to justopia.

justopia your kingdom is to small to have the funding for 3 million troops and even 26 nuclear weapons you have to think realistically here and its just not possible for you to fund your millitary in that much.

my starships are realistic theyve been in construction even before this war and are outfitted with the latest in future technology and it was expensive

Justopian Kingdom, I think that you don't have any clues on how to RP this stuff, first of all read the stickies in the main forum, second, your too small to have "Starships" and satillites. Dude, I'm not even taking into consideration what your saying because it is way out of line.

All nukes that were fired at Warhammer were intercepted and destroyed before causing any harm to anyone.

More Cruise Missiles were fired at Justopian Kingdom as Turner forces entered the capitol city.

OOC: Justopian Kingdom, learn to RP before getting into major wars, also take this into account, I have 287 million people, you have 10 million.

i agree come on man i love the fact that your tryin to war with the bigger people but you just dont have the resources yet to do anything like this you put in a little more effort and ill consider it one i doubt your taxes are high enough to even feed 3 million men you dont have the resources to buy and maintain even 23 nukes

due to warhammers early warning of the nukes all turner troops wer evacuated to a safe distance before the nukes struck all political leaders that were captured are being held as prisoners of war on a top secret millitary base and are being "questioned" for startegic information we will let out that 2 of the POW's are both generals one for the Justopian Air Force and the other for the Justopian Army howeever all other officials names and ranks will not be given out

Yeah, if you want to learn to how to this stuff just talk to us.

Message to:Warhammer Syndicate
From:Advisor to His Majesty, Samuel O'Dell

Greetings to the Respected Leader of Warhammer,

Upon the Request of His Majesty, the High King of Shinoxia, James O'Kelly, I am Sending You this Telegram of Imperial Expansion.

Because Imperial Shinoxia has Long Coveted the Nation of Mongolia I have Been Asked to Request Permission to Annex Lands in Mongolia.

If Possible, Shinoxia Would Like the Entire of Southern Mongolia to Annex and Build On. If You Grant Our Nation this Honor, we Will Recognize Your Claims in the Area and Promise Not to Expand into Northern Mongolia.

However, If You Should Not Grant the Empire these Lands, Imperial Shinoxia Will Declare War on You and Take them.

I Leave the Choice to You, Respected Leader,

Advisor to His Majesty.

Samuel O'Dell.

i was leaning in your favor but your threat made me rethink that decision warhammer would probably have allowed you these lands but your threat was just to much it would have been better if you left it out.

its true you are larger that warhammer and myself but you are not larger than the two of us. so let it be known if there is any invasion on warhammer you can expect an invasion by turner forces.

in order to be remotely succesful in warhammer you will have to send a sizable portion of your millitary to his soil, which will leave you open to attack by my millitary.

my part in the war on mongolia has made my nation want peace. so im asking you to rethink your statement.

warhammer i think we should just give him mongolia it could be benneficial to the alliance for Operation: Out Reach he could be a valuable earth ally

OOC: Clan Turner, it is true that combined you are both larger than me but that has no real effect in military might. You know that large ground forces are obselete now right? Super accurate weapons make these huge armies easy to destroy with a high-tech military. I would like to add that neither of you have really deployed divisions in your attacks, I have nations sending "3 million troops" but no real support.

By saying that you are sending in 3 million troops I get the impression that your force is just one large piece of undisciplined mass and I will pick you apart with Tomahawks and other weapons.

You really can't just send in 3 million men.

Where are your tanks? Your support vehicles? Helicopters? Ambulances? Logistics? Your missing alot of critical elements.

Here check out this example of a Legion of my troops:

Celtic Army of Shinoxia

The Celtic Army of Shinoxia is, like many other Antarctica armies, built around speed and mobility. The CAS is designed to overwhelm an opponent with awesome technology and tactics. With the use of pods, the CAS can eliminate a target and disappear before any type of resistance is mounted./b]

1 Legion Contains

[b]Main Battle Units
Main Battle Units do most of the fighting in wars and inflict the most damage. Upon arriving with their Legions the soldiers break into pods, or 150 men and then pods then form clusters with 3 pods, 450 men. The clusters are self-contained and operate on their own, achieving a unique objective. A cluster commander may place a cluster in an area and tell them to neutralize everything there. Clusters hardly know what other clusters are doing and work on their unique mission.

150,000 Antarctic Infantry (Used in Pod Warfare)
(Skill=Average-Veteran)
(Loyalty=Average)
(Morale=+1)
Calico and G-36 assault rifles
The main unit in the Celtic Army of Shinoxia. They are mainly composed of young soldiers with an average amount of training and experience. They tend to be more likely to flee if the battle turns in the opponent’s favor but when combined with good troops they are a force to be reckoned with.

150,000 Arctic Storm Troopers (Used in Pod Warfare)
(Skill=Veteran)
(Loyalty=Good)
(Morale=+2)
Calico assault rifles
Used in Pod Warfare to great effect. Inspired from the Storm Troopers of WWI these soldiers live up to their legacy. Under the cover of Penguins and Antarctic Infantry Storm Troopers charge a position mowing down enemies with their Calicos and grenades. Well adept for hand-to-hand fighting the Storm Troopers are generally the last thing an enemy sees.

150,000 Penguins (Used in Pod Warfare[b])
(Skill=Veteran)
(Loyalty=Strong)
(Morale=+3)
SAW light machine guns
The elite unit in Pods. Penguins normally provide cover for Infantry and Storm Troopers and do so with great effect. With their machine guns and assault rifles they inspire fear in enemy units and if needed can charge with devastating effect.

50,000 Arctic Partisans ([b]Self-Contained/Deployed with Legion)
(Skill=Elite)
(Loyalty=Strong)
(Morale=+3)
Calico and G-36 assault rifles
Arctic Partisans, upon arriving on an enemy nation, set up communication with citizens who do not like they’re ruling regime and train them to fight. Partisans carry enough equipment to create a small army and can easily triple their numbers. They rarely fight but organize citizen militias to take arms against their oppressors.

Tanks
x1,625 S1A1-Enfield tanks

Light Assault Vehicles, Artillery pieces, and transport vehicles
Direct Fire
x625 Arctic Fox LAVs
x625 Desert Fox LAVs
x625 Stormcrow AIFVs
x625 Jaguar 2 Tank Destroyers
x625 Bradely APCs
Support
x625 Humvees (TOW Missile Launcher Equipped)
x625 LAV-M (S) mortar systems
x625 Ontos II Support Systems
Indirect Fire
x625 M2001A1 artillery systems
x625 M270A1 rocket launchers
x625 Paladin heavy artillery systems
x5 Aluminum Lithium Hydride shells
Logistics and Recovery
x1,250 LAV-Logistics
x625 LAV-Ammo Carriers
x625 Hercules Recovery Vehicles
Bridge Layers and Mine clearers
x625 Wolverine AVLBs
x625 Grizzly Armored Breachers
Ambulances
x1,250 LAV-Ambulances
Command and Technological Support Vehicles
x625 M93A1 Fox NBC Recon Systems (Detects Chemical and Biological presence)
x313 LAV-Fire Direction Centers
x313 M4 Command & Control Vehicles
x313 Firefinder Radars
x313 LAV-MEWSS
Air Defense
x625 Avenger LAVs


Attack Helicopters
x625 AH-64A/D attack choppers
x625 Super Cobra choppers
x625 Longbow assault choppers
x625 AH-220 Sea Lions
x250 Chinook transport choppers
x150,000 Sulfuric Acid Mist containers


I'll let that slide for now but you might want to speak to a nation called Wolfish about roleplaying.

Ok back on topic.

You said I shouldn't have threatened him with military action? If I don't threaten action why would he just give me recently conquered territory?

However, you have a good point, if he would just give me Mongolia, or a large portion of it, I will be his ally and help him with what he needs.

Look, I would have most likey ceded parts of Mongolia to you if you wouldn't have threated me. Also, you know nothing about my military forces, so you might actually be in for a fight if we were to war.

However, I will ceced to you South Eastern and East Mongolia, and a good chunck of the South.

Also, about the ground forces thing, I know that you dont need a trillion troops anymore, its mostly technology.

OOC: This is a limited RP which means I didn't invite you.

its true you are larger that warhammer and myself but you are not larger than the two of us. so let it be known if there is any invasion on warhammer you can expect an invasion by turner forces

LoL, If you attack Shinoxia then you can expect an invasion from me. But I am not worried about this. You wouldnt even get past our naval homeguard, much less Shins. BTW, I too am interested in owning some of Mongolia, but not from you. Me and Shin are developing special plans for what we want to do with it.

really now well thanks for letting out your millitary postions and how you plan to defend yourself maybe you shouldnt go around and tell everyone about startegic locations its not hard to track your defence ships if what you say is true then they will have to be very large and numerous its hard to hide something like that if you let everyone know that they exist. and for future refernce its kinda hard to knock out stealth shielded aircraft and forces crossing your borders on foot at night in secret. maybe you should rethink your startegy before you start just start blurting out numbers and munitions.

at any rate any foe can be overcome regardless of how many personal there is in their millitary. all it takes is a good startegy. and if you doubt it just take a look in your history book hers some examples Atilla the Hun and his conquests of the roman empire, the american revolution, world war 2 even if hitler lost he succeded in controling all of europe, and just for the hell of it david and goliath

This is what I don't like, people comming in here claiming no one can defeat them. Also, whoever you are who wants to shield Shin, just get out.

Any superpower can be over-come by two or three moderate powers, just look at history. WWII for example, Germany was the only superpower, America, Britain, and Russia were only moderate powers in the war, and look Germany was finally defeated. Although it took a few years, Germany still lost control of Europe and Russia.

This is an Invite thread only, take this into account, you haven't been invited here, so please leave.

its true you are larger that warhammer and myself but you are not larger than the two of us. so let it be known if there is any invasion on warhammer you can expect an invasion by turner forces

LoL, If you attack Shinoxia then you can expect an invasion from me. But I am not worried about this. You wouldnt even get past our naval homeguard, much less Shins. BTW, I too am interested in owning some of Mongolia, but not from you. Me and Shin are developing special plans for what we want to do with it.

You say we wouldn't get passed your so called homeguard, yet you don't know anything about our armed forces...so naive.

I will defend my allies to the death (AA).

OOC: Clan turner, you cant even spell buddy (much less use proper punctuation). Plus, its not like im going to have a naval homeguard and you not know about it.

Klan Weis, you have 5 million people.

Warhammer, I dont even know what your talking about with Germany and Russia and how WW2 got into this thread, but back on topic.

It is unusual to find me and Shinoxia as Imperialistic as we are, but, we have decided that we want all of Mongolia. I will RP some military forces later if it comes to us taking it by force. Also, since you invaded Mongolia that gives us every right to intervene in this matter.

its true you are larger that warhammer and myself but you are not larger than the two of us. so let it be known if there is any invasion on warhammer you can expect an invasion by turner forces

LoL, If you attack Shinoxia then you can expect an invasion from me. But I am not worried about this. You wouldnt even get past our naval homeguard, much less Shins. BTW, I too am interested in owning some of Mongolia, but not from you. Me and Shin are developing special plans for what we want to do with it.

You say we wouldn't get passed your so called homeguard, yet you don't know anything about our armed forces...so naive.

Ok, Ok, so you want to try? Please by all means do.

Fine, have Mongolia. It's a worthless country anyway.

I have no reason what-so-ever to fight you. Also, I don't care if he cant spell or not, its a game. Get over it.

When people think they are inviceable, they are easier to bring down. I would think twice about it before making claims that no one could breach your so called homeguard.

This is an INVITE thread only, and your not invited so get out.

Fine, have Mongolia.

Thank you. Im glad this didnt have to end bloody.

When people think they are inviceable, they are easier to bring down. I would think twice about it before making claims that no one could breach your so called homeguard.

OOC: Ok, why do you keep saying this. You are more than welcome to try (invade me that is). So, are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

This is an INVITE thread only, and your not invited so get out.

You cant just invade and take over a country and make it an invite only thread. You must acknowledge other nations in this matter.

Dude, watch me.

Well, if you have really put your mind to playing the game wrong, being stupid, and ignoring me then so be it.

People I suggest you ignore this guy because he has no regard for the rules of NationStates.

Warhammer, at least read the stickeys for godsake, and play the game right.

Dude, watch me.

Just a question, does this also mean you want me to watch you try to attack me? Once again, you are more than welcome to try.

proper punctuation isn't exactly something i use on the internet it might be because i dont have to prove myself on the internet to people i dont even know. and judging how you missed the subject completely about world war 2 in your history class, warhammer was explaining how someone larger than you can be overtaken. you know you spend so much time looking through your books on how to spell properly you could use a few minutes with that book that says american history. well....moose, funny im sure that fits you in your personal life except for being large im sure your just some geek tryin to be this high and mighty god online when your probably some pimpled face 13 year old geek whos life is on the computer.

and considering your only a few hundred million people larger than us i suggest you keep your mouth shut and oh by the way if your country had the taxes and stuff it has now in the real world im sure your economy would kill you before any country did

The Parliament of Justinopian Kingdom has concidered the following:
It will cease fire ONLY if a treaty will be signed AND that Justinopian Kingdom receive a small piece of Mongolian land in which to make into a colony.


P.S.
IF it is un-realsitic for me to have that many troops then why are you people god-moding? I mean come on! You play out a whole war in one message that summarizes like this: Attacks someplace, intercepts all attacking weapons etc. takes over, never loses ONE SINGLE PERSON!

And you say I am un-realistic!

...and judging how you missed the subject completely about world war 2 in your history class, warhammer was explaining how someone larger than you can be overtaken.

Buddy, I bet I know alot more about the history of wars than you or warhammer. But this is beside the point. You say I can be overtaken yet you have failed to prove this. Like I have previously stated numerous times, bring it on!!!! Please, I will welcome it.

well....moose, funny im sure that fits you in your personal life except for being large im sure your just some geek tryin to be this high and mighty god online when your probably some pimpled face 13 year old geek whos life is on the computer.

Lol. Thats funny since im the one pissing you off over a computer game. Im just using common sense bud and you simply arent following.

and considering your only a few hundred million people larger than us i suggest you keep your mouth shut and oh by the way if your country had the taxes and stuff it has now in the real world im sure your economy would kill you before any country did

Like I said, again (god this is getting old), attack me!!! I want to hand your ass to you now.

Any superpower can be over-come by two or three moderate powers, just look at history. WWII for example, Germany was the only superpower, America, Britain, and Russia were only moderate powers in the war, and look Germany was finally defeated. Although it took a few years, Germany still lost control of Europe and Russia.

OOC: Just an example, your wrong about how America and Russia were only 'moderate' powers. Russia's industrial capacity far exceded Germanys as well as Americas (actually America and Russia were more powerful that Germany). However, Russia's real disadvantage is that they were in no way ready for a World War, they had been taken completely by surprise. Americas disadvantage is that they were forced into fighting two fronts (the other being the Pacific theater, with Japan).

As you are right that the Allies (America, Britain, and Russia) ultimately defeated the Axis powers (Nazi Germany, Italy, and Imperial Japan), you are wrong in that your small regime of less than 10 nations will be able to take a nation such as me on (given the alliances I have and my fellow nations in my region, some numbering billions). Of course you are entitled to try, but all I am saying is that the odds simply arent on your side.

Now before we reduce this to OOC name-calling (to late, Clan turner), why dont you hand over Mongolia IC, and that will get things moving.

So, Im sure you little kids have gone to bed by now, but in the morning take this into consideration. Sweet dreams!

Go Dancing Moose!
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Thank you.

Anytime, besides, I hate god-moding RPers anyways

First of all, your just shooting your mouth off. Sure anyone with allies can hide behind them like you would probably do. Second, this is just a game, and if you want me to godmod I will. I don't care if you follow this games rules 100% but I think a few of them are retarded. I could care absolutly less what you think about how I post and what I do. Also, take the time that you would to write a reply to me and get a history book and read it.

The only reason the allies over-came Germany is because they answered the call to war and started mass producing weaponry, also Russians industrial base was old and antiquated, and they have to constanly move East b/c the Germans were kicking their ass on the western front. It was only b/c of all the powers together were able to knock Germany off.

So dude, just please leave, Mongolia is your for the keeping. No use for you in here anymore.

First of all, your just shooting your mouth off.

Your point?

Sure anyone with allies can hide behind them like you would probably do.

Ok, since your questioning my actions in a time of war, why dont we just find out exactly what I would do. Attack me, and Shin and I would bury you and your little friend (Clan turner) in the dirt. There. See? I would make it fair, 2 on 2.

Second, this is just a game, and if you want me to godmod I will. I don't care if you follow this games rules 100% but I think a few of them are retarded.

No, I dont. I fact I want you to do the exact opposite and play it right. If you think the rules are retarted, go play warhammer or whatever else floats your boat. Dont ruin the game for everyone by making them have to ignore you.

The only reason the allies over-came Germany is because they answered the call to war and started mass producing weaponry, also Russians industrial base was old and antiquated, and they have to constanly move East b/c the Germans were kicking their ass on the western front. It was only b/c of all the powers together were able to knock Germany off.

What I said earlier is what happened at the beginning, this stuff is what happened right after (countries producing weapons of war). No, Russia's current military was old and antiquated. It was there manpower and industrial might that kept them fighting harder on the Eastern front.

So dude, just please leave, Mongolia is your for the keeping. No use for you in here anymore.

Just play right in the future, it will be a whole lot more fun for you and the others playing with you. There is no need to get mad over an incident such as this.

first of all you know shit about war moose so i doubt you would beat warhammer in an actual fight without "cheating" second russia had no industrial might the only thing they were able to produce quickly was the T-32 and that was stolen technology from damaged panzers from germany. and even then they still were not as good just more numerous the only thing that russia had was its wave troops industrial might HA in stalingrad they gave every 3 soldiers a gun and 3 clips when one soldier fell the soldier behind him picked it up and put in his clip and so on. i hope you leared something from my little history lesson.

first of all you know shit about war moose so i doubt you would beat warhammer in an actual fight without "cheating" second russia had no industrial might the only thing they were able to produce quickly was the T-32 and that was stolen technology from damaged panzers from germany. and even then they still were not as good just more numerous the only thing that russia had was its wave troops industrial might HA in stalingrad they gave every 3 soldiers a gun and 3 clips when one soldier fell the soldier behind him picked it up and put in his clip and so on. i hope you leared something from my little history lesson.

First of all, there is no need for that language. There is really no reason someone should get that mad over a computer game. What makes you think I will cheat? Talk to Warhammer about cheating, he knows the most about it.

Russia probably had the second biggest industrial capacity (next the the US, where there you could really argue). Like I said, they had two main problems. First, they were caught off guard by Germany, and second, there current military was completely outdated. Due to the size of their industrial capacity, they quickly made up for this. One good example, as you stated is the 'T' series of tanks. The T-34 tank (you were wrong, its the 34 instead of 32) was one of the greatest tanks of WWII. One of the main reasons for this was that it was able to be mass-produced at a low cost (this, once again, was done by Russia's industry). About Stalingrad, the Russians still won. Dont say anything about that because you dont know. The rifle-sharing was due to Russia's depleted military, but like I said, they quickly made up for this.

You think what I do is cheating? I could say that I have 1 trillion men and just took over your whole country, thats cheating.

And how long did it take them to take back Stalingrad???????????????

ill give this for the T-34 they were fast, maneuvarable, and there main gun was impressive but like i said they got the engine technology from the german panzer and the T-34 was produced so quickly there wasnt much time for them to test and they were not cought off gaurd why the hell do you think stalin decided to sign the peace treaty with hitler he knew hitler would come after him after he was done with europe and that was when he had engineers start designing tanks. and like you said before they were cheap the only way you could make a tank that cheap and fast was to downsize armor and complicated machinery so they sucked basically they get hit their dead the only thing that saved russia in the war was that there were 2 other millitary divisions from the south and west were converging on berlin so hitlers forces were stretched germany had the greatest industry at the time even if they couldnt mass produce the tiger and king tiger tanks there numbers were impressive for how short of time they had to make them. oh wow the russians could mass produce a tank that was cheap and used little to none materials and the rifle was apart of their industry since they were made in an industry and if they couldnt mass produce something as small as that by the time of stalingrad what kind of industry is that.

oh im sorry is my language to abusive for your little sheltered ears well sorry man but i grew up where you swear all the time for the simplest thing and dont even say you dont because every one does

ill give this for the T-34 they were fast, maneuvarable, and there main gun was impressive but like i said they got the engine technology from the german panzer and the T-34 was produced so quickly there wasnt much time for them to test and they were not cought off gaurd why the hell do you think stalin decided to sign the peace treaty with hitler he knew hitler would come after him after he was done with europe and that was when he had engineers start designing tanks. and like you said before they were cheap the only way you could make a tank that cheap and fast was to downsize armor and complicated machinery so they sucked basically they get hit their dead the only thing that saved russia in the war was that there were 2 other millitary divisions from the south and west were converging on berlin so hitlers forces were stretched germany had the greatest industry at the time even if they couldnt mass produce the tiger and king tiger tanks there numbers were impressive for how short of time they had to make them. oh wow the russians could mass produce a tank that was cheap and used little to none materials and the rifle was apart of their industry since they were made in an industry and if they couldnt mass produce something as small as that by the time of stalingrad what kind of industry is that.

oh im sorry is my language to abusive for your little sheltered ears well sorry man but i grew up where you swear all the time for the simplest thing and dont even say you dont because every one does

ill give this for the T-34 they were fast, maneuvarable, and there main gun was impressive but like i said they got the engine technology from the german panzer and the T-34 was produced so quickly there wasnt much time for them to test and they were not cought off gaurd why the hell do you think stalin decided to sign the peace treaty with hitler he knew hitler would come after him after he was done with europe and that was when he had engineers start designing tanks. and like you said before they were cheap the only way you could make a tank that cheap and fast was to downsize armor and complicated machinery so they sucked basically they get hit their dead the only thing that saved russia in the war was that there were 2 other millitary divisions from the south and west were converging on berlin so hitlers forces were stretched germany had the greatest industry at the time even if they couldnt mass produce the tiger and king tiger tanks there numbers were impressive for how short of time they had to make them. oh wow the russians could mass produce a tank that was cheap and used little to none materials and the rifle was apart of their industry since they were made in an industry and if they couldnt mass produce something as small as that by the time of stalingrad what kind of industry is that.

oh im sorry is my language to abusive for your little sheltered ears well sorry man but i grew up where you swear all the time for the simplest thing and dont even say you dont because every one does

ill give this for the T-34 they were fast, maneuvarable, and there main gun was impressive but like i said they got the engine technology from the german panzer and the T-34 was produced so quickly there wasnt much time for them to test

True, the T-34 was a great tank. However, none of the technology was stolen or ripped off of the panzer. The 'T' series of tanks were completely original tanks, hell Russia is still making new ones today.

...and they were not cought off gaurd why the hell do you think stalin decided to sign the peace treaty with hitler he knew hitler would come after him after he was done with europe and that was when he had engineers start designing tanks...

Stalin had no idea Hitler was going to do that. Russia signed a treaty with Hitler that for Stalins help in the war, they would split up Poland evenly. However, this was not to be. Hitler got greedy and invaded all of Poland, taking it, and this was the act of war that caught Russia off-guard. They were bound allies (Stalin and Hitler) untill Hitler did that.

and like you said before they were cheap the only way you could make a tank that cheap and fast was to downsize armor and complicated machinery so they sucked basically they get hit their dead the only thing that saved russia in the war was that there were 2 other millitary divisions from the south and west were converging on berlin

You just got done saying how good the Russian tanks were. I meant they made it with cheap, but durable material making it easy to produce in large numbers. There was nothing wrong with the T-34's armor. The only allied tank that exceeded it (armor-wise) were the American Shermans. Now, your right about Russia's military divisions. Like I said, is was Russia's Industry and manpower that won the war on the Eastern front.

germany had the greatest industry at the time even if they couldnt mass produce the tiger and king tiger tanks there numbers were impressive for how short of time they had to make them. oh wow the russians could mass produce a tank that was cheap and used little to none materials and the rifle was apart of their industry since they were made in an industry and if they couldnt mass produce something as small as that by the time of stalingrad what kind of industry is that.

Actually, America and Russia probably had the biggest industries at the beginning of the war. Ive already posted their falts, so im not going to do it again. Germany had been building up there army ever since the early 1930's, so no wonder they were prepared for a war.

oh im sorry is my language to abusive for your little sheltered ears well sorry man but i grew up where you swear all the time for the simplest thing and dont even say you dont because every one does

Lol, there is just no reason you should bring that here. It doesnt bother me, your just getting a little exited over this game and you just need to calm down. Thats all.

ill give this for the T-34 they were fast, maneuvarable, and there main gun was impressive but like i said they got the engine technology from the german panzer and the T-34 was produced so quickly there wasnt much time for them to test and they were not cought off gaurd why the hell do you think stalin decided to sign the peace treaty with hitler he knew hitler would come after him after he was done with europe and that was when he had engineers start designing tanks. and like you said before they were cheap the only way you could make a tank that cheap and fast was to downsize armor and complicated machinery so they sucked basically they get hit their dead the only thing that saved russia in the war was that there were 2 other millitary divisions from the south and west were converging on berlin so hitlers forces were stretched germany had the greatest industry at the time even if they couldnt mass produce the tiger and king tiger tanks there numbers were impressive for how short of time they had to make them. oh wow the russians could mass produce a tank that was cheap and used little to none materials and the rifle was apart of their industry since they were made in an industry and if they couldnt mass produce something as small as that by the time of stalingrad what kind of industry is that.

oh im sorry is my language to abusive for your little sheltered ears well sorry man but i grew up where you swear all the time for the simplest thing and dont even say you dont because every one does

You need to start breaking up your posts, these mass blobs are discouraging.

Now where to start....

Ah, here we go, the part about the T-34 being stolen from German technology, not true, it was designed by the Soviets in the '30s, completed in 1934, that's why it's called the T-34.

And the T-55, T-64, T-72, T-80, T-90, are called that.

Ok next.

No, the reason Stalin signed a peace treaty with Germany was not because he feared that he would be next, it was because the Western nations had little to offer him.

For example, during talks with Britain and France, Stalin asked them how many ready divisions they could field, France said 114 I believe, and Britain lied and said 16 (They later admitted to only having 4).

When Stalin saw these figures, he noticed that he was considerably stronger than the Western powers, able to field around 200 ready divisions.

However, with Germany being far stronger than these two nations, he saw it fit to ally with them.

Next.

Time for you to start using periods, it's really hard to read.

Ok, the part about the T-34 sucking and being mass produced.

Wrong, the T-34 was one of the best tanks of WWII and was a match for the German Panthers, it's problem was that it couldn't be produced fast enoguh.

By 1941-42, Stalin had only 600 of these tanks on his entire border, they couldn't be made quick enough.

Oh here's a biggie.

You said that the only thing that saved Russia (Soviet Union) were 2 other military divisions.

Very wrong.

There were many contributing factors to the Soviet Union not losing WWII, the main three were:

1. The uprooting of the industries in the West and moving them to the East of the Ural mountains, saving them from destruction.

2. The modernizing of the Red Army. Did you know that at the beginning of WWII the Soviet planes did not even have radios? The planes had to fly in formation and if something went wrong they could never communicate. However, in 1943 the Red Army began to modernize, using the Lend Lease program to keep it's economy stable, the Red Army became the best military in the world.

3. Brilliant leaders. Leaders such as Stalin, Zhukov, and other generals saved the Soviet Union from certain death.

Germany had the best industry?

Not even close man, did you know that the US war production almost equaled that of the rest of the world combined? They kept the Soviet's economy going, produced for their own war, and produced enough to keep Britain afloat. Their industry may have one the war for the US.

Germany's industry was nice, but frequent bombing in the Rhine kept them from ever mass producing the Tigers and other valuable machinery.

Ok let's stop this OOC argument and go back to IC.

Ok, I am new to this and I have a question.
What the heck is OOC and IC?

dude no everything about the T-34 sucked and if it was at the time one of the most advanced it would have taken longer to produce look at todays greateset MBT the M1 theres only a few hundred that are actually used and the U.S. industry is far better now than it was back in the 30's

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and no russia would have been demolished that spring when the weather was far better for germans to fight in hitler would have returned to russia if it were not for the combined forces of american brittish and canadian troops moving in from both the south and the east.

and no hitler signed the treaty with stalin so he only had one front to worry about and not his rear so he could devote all of his millitary power to the western front. stalin signed the treaty in hopes that he could protect his country through political means until american forces agreed to join the fight stalin trusted no one why should he trust a man that thought his countrymen were the superior race?...he wouldnt and dont say stalin was a trusting man he killed off his family because he was told that they were going to rise against him

This is getting old, the war is over, and we don't need to continue on this subject, because all you people are doing is argueing back and forth.

dude no everything about the T-34 sucked and if it was at the time one of the most advanced it would have taken longer to produce look at todays greateset MBT the M1 theres only a few hundred that are actually used and the U.S. industry is far better now than it was back in the 30's

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and no russia would have been demolished that spring when the weather was far better for germans to fight in hitler would have returned to russia if it were not for the combined forces of american brittish and canadian troops moving in from both the south and the east.

and no hitler signed the treaty with stalin so he only had one front to worry about and not his rear so he could devote all of his millitary power to the western front. stalin signed the treaty in hopes that he could protect his country through political means until american forces agreed to join the fight stalin trusted no one why should he trust a man that thought his countrymen were the superior race?...he wouldnt and dont say stalin was a trusting man he killed off his family because he was told that they were going to rise against him

Your wrong in so many ways I don't want to get into it.

Where do you get your information from, a 6th grade textbook?

The reason we only produce a few hundred Abrams is because we don't need anymore, the tank is becoming a liability.

How many tanks do you need to take care of a few Iraqis? We could easily produce more but missiles and laser targeted bombs eliminate the need for many tanks.

First of all, they were called the Soviet Union, not Russia, so stop calling them by the wrong name.

Russia would have been eliminated in the spring? Which spring? And no winter did not save the Soviets, thousands died in Leningrad and elsewhere, all the winter did was slow down German progress.

You do realize that the Brits and Americans did not really help the Soviets until D-Day? There used to be jokes in Moscow about the mythical "Second Front". Stalin used to press Churchill and FDR into creating a second front, and when they did there was a huge celebration in Moscow. So your idea about the Soviets being crushed is very wrong.

Keep in mind that Hitler had over 200 divisions on the Eastern front, as opposed to the 47 on the Western, so there really is no way the Allies saved the Commies from destruction.

Next.

Hitler only signed the treaty so he could devote all his power to the Western Front. No, your wrong there too.

Like I said above, he had over 200 divisions on the Eastern front, he had planned all along to go to war with the Soviet Union.

Germany had expanded all the way into Eastern Europe and there was simply no way these two nations with their completely different political systems could co-operate. War was inevitable.

Stalin did not have his whole family killed.

His first wife died of natural causes, however his 2nd wife was killed by him, she disrespected him at a dinner and he became very angry with her, later killing her.

His son was killed because of the Nazi invasion. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, The Soviets were getting beaten so badly that Stalin intiated the "Not A Step Back" policy, in which total war began and everyone did all they could to stop the Germans.

This rule applied to Stalin himself.

When the Soviets captured a high ranking German officer, the Germans captured Stalin's son. The Germans offered a trade, Stalin's son for the German officer, Stalin declined. His son later died in a concentration camp.

Ok we really need to end this WWII argument, let's begin an RP invasion IC. Who all would like to participate in this Mongolian Invasion by Antarctica.

I would love to partcipate along side you Shinoxia in the battle