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The Holy Empire has decided to increase military spending and to put weapons in space and point them at all nonchristian nations that have ever threatened the empire or persecuted christians.

Oh nooo... *waits for the bloody carnage to begin, i.e. Canales gets ripped to shreds by atheists*

In all likelihood you will be n00ked by n00bs and I.G.N.O.R.E.D. by anyone else. It's the grim truth.

And threatening to annihalate your enemies with orbital weapontry wasn't what Jesus was trying to convey in His message to mankind, btw. "Turn the other cheek," anyone?

Oh nooo... *waits for the bloody carnage to begin, i.e. Canales gets ripped to shreds by atheists*

In all likelihood you will be n00ked by n00bs and I.G.N.O.R.E.D. by anyone else. It's the grim truth.

And threatening to annihalate your enemies with orbital weapontry wasn't what Jesus was trying to convey in His message to mankind, btw. "Turn the other cheek," anyone?
The only good athiest is a dead athiest.
Soon I will attack the US and free it from the tyranny of the homosexual antichristians.

right. . .you've now been officially I.G.N.O.R.E.D. for utter stupidity.

That is crazy talk! You can't do that you would have to many people to point at, you would be pointing one at me! I say no way to that very bad idea. Increase the peace not the artilary!!!!!!!!!! :x

As a living embodiment of non-Christian beliefs, I find what you propose outright harmful. Our nation does not promote any one faith over any other, though as Second Minister, I do influence our government to act in accordance with the tenets of the Path.

Our leadership has convened an emergency session and our leader shall respond directly with our views, though one thing we can say for certain: we are most assuredly not a nation which calls itself Christian.

We never have harmed any of our multitudinous neighbors, and we have no intentions of doing so. However, we feel that you are threatening us. Shortly, our leader will post an official statement from our closed discussions.

With humility,

His Holiness the XXXV Reincarnation of the Bodhisattva Ganesh
Second Minister of Xian Fields

right. . .you've now been officially I.G.N.O.R.E.D. for utter stupidity.
blah blah blah
whatever you say

As a living embodiment of non-Christian beliefs, I find what you propose outright harmful. Our nation does not promote any one faith over any other, though as Second Minister, I do influence our government to act in accordance with the tenets of the Path.

Our leadership has convened an emergency session and our leader shall respond directly with our views, though one thing we can say for certain: we are most assuredly not a nation which calls itself Christian.

We never have harmed any of our multitudinous neighbors, and we have no intentions of doing so. However, we feel that you are threatening us. Shortly, our leader will post an official statement from our closed discussions.

With humility,

His Holiness the XXXV Reincarnation of the Bodhisattva Ganesh
Second Minister of Xian Fields
If you are not threatening me nor persecuting christians, then you should not be afraid. My weapons are pointed only at those nations that are guilty of religious persecution and threatening the Holy Empire.

This letter is addressed to the head of Canales.

We don't know what you define as persecution. For all I know, you may define me putting a Christian in jail for defiling a sword-carrying lion or counterfeiting xians as persecution. You may define me raising taxes as persecution. You may define my not endorsing YOUR way of acting as persecution.

I am saying YOU are the persecutor. YOU are the antagonist. I AM a follower of the Christ, and I also follow the teachings of the Buddha and our honored Second Minister. Does He not say that the greatest commandment is to love thy neighbor (Matthew 24)? Is He not a man of peace? Does He not want followers to choose to follow Him, and not be forced into it? Does He not want those who wish to attend the wedding feast?

You can't force salvation onto people here, friend. Assuming that Christianity is the right way, and with the 2M around it's entirely possible that it's not, people have to want it. They have to do good onto others, something which looks like your culture doesn't allow. They have to be able to give of themselves freely, and not just corralled into a warehouse once a week for a wafer and wine.

You are forcing the issue here. We are acting in defense of ourselves and those who do not follow your twisted views on what Christ wants. One thing I'm pretty sure He doesn't want is dead bodies. (That whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing from Exodus 22.)


I'm asking you nicely: back down. Lay off the killer satellites, step back from the brink.

Please. For the sanity of the world. I am not trying to threaten your nation, because our small population is dwarfed by your military alone, but if you do attack someone, there will be nations ready to come to their aid.

bob
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The Dominion of Talkos looks very unkindly upon such bullyboy techniques....Any orbital weapons targeted at us...will be destroyed.

Well insrate those wponds if they even target a weed in our nation.

Canales: I consider myself a fervent Christian. I hold that God created the earth, that men sinned against God, that God came in human form to save us all from our transgressions. What you are doing, however, is unparamounted in the annals of world history. It seems you have learned nothing from history's lessons, and little from Jesus's own lessons.

(all NIV)Matthew 5:11+12 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted you the prophets before you."
Matthew 5:38- "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Don't say I'm some "scum-sucking liberal" or something either. All men are God's creation, God loves atheists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, EVERYONE, equally. We must accept His gift of grace, however, before we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. What you are contemplating with this aggressive and irrational move is a terrible witness. You will destroy both guilty and innocent alike? Are you God to judge other men? Were you born yourself into a state of perfect grace? You will call yourself a "Defender of the Faith" while threatening to rain death on any who oppose? History has shown, moreover, that Jesus's method works. It was integral to Gandhi's campaign of civil disobedience that won India's independence from the British Empire. Martin Luther King Jr. used it when campaigning for civil rights. All this action will do is tarnish the reputation of Christians on this site as throwbacks from the Crusades, converting at swordpoint while hacking and looting. Minister with peace, not with war. If you do this, I guarantee a fruitless arms race will result, with atheists building their own weapons, and targeting predominantly Christian nations. The downright hostile athiest nations, like Danakar of old, will have no reason to hold back. Arizona Nova will brook no reckless attacks on any nation with these weapons. Considering their nature, use of them "in a defensive manner" strikes me as a little preposterous. They are not defenses, they are offenses. As such, they will be terminated if used. I will reiterate, even if you have pledges to use them defensively, your earlier statement, The only good athiest is a dead athiest. Soon I will attack the US and free it from the tyranny of the homosexual antichristians. is reason enough to fret. Attack the US, and slaughter Christian and non alike? I won't stand for it!

To the leader of Canales:

As a Christian, myself, it makes me sad that you go against the teachings of Christ. As others have pointed out, His teachings are of love, and are opposite of the attitude you have shown. Perhaps you might want to take a look at James 1:19,20 "So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God."

And as Bob from Xian Fields pointed out, “if you do attack someone, there will be nations ready to come to their aid.” As an ally to both Talkos and Xian Fields, the Armed Republic of Jelrikia is ready to come to their aid if they are attacked.

Chancellor Jelrik II, of the Armed Republic of Jelrikia

DGNT Government has nothing to do with religion unless it trys to do something to us, as was the case with the Exploding Monks of JingleWaka Ridge.

While pouring over the thousands of daily conflict reports, the Emperor chuckles as the age old question of "WWJD?", has been answered by the small nation of Canales. With a stroke of his pen the Emperor has ordered millions of bumper stickers to answer that question..."Ortillerize Them"

Ah, well than I am sorry for you, Sambizie, that you are too close-minded and foolish to take notice of those Christians who know that we are to love even our enemies. Card-stack all you like, friend. Christianity will go on, despite your aspersions.

Arizona Nova, though currently embroiled in another crisis, has nonetheless input coordinates for certain cruise missile defense systems to fire upon the orbital weapons, should they be fired out of hubris.

Any actions against Xian Fields will bet met with swift reaction but not only my nation, but many others.



Your view on Christianity is warped and evil. It will not stand.

"The Holy Empire of Mekanta finds the idea of a nation with an obviously unstable personality with orbital weapons disturbing."

"As you have threatened the safety of innocents, we find it fit to act."

"Set all Mekantan orbital weapons to active watch. Any attempts to establish more weapons in orbit will be met with destruction. We are also prepared to engage emergency activation of the orbital defense fortress we share with our close ally Central Facehuggeria."

(OOC: Edited to make it more threat than action. ^_^)

"The Holy Empire of Mekanta finds the idea of a nation with an obviously unstable personality with orbital weapons disturbing."

"As you have threatened the safety of innocents, we find it fit to act."

"We have activated all weapons satelites and given orders to target Canalesian (OOC: ???) orbital weapons and terminate any attempts to establish more weapons. We are also prepared to engage emergency activation of the orbital defense fortress we share with our close ally Central Facehuggeria."

OOC: This last post will be ignored cause it didn't provide me adequate time to respond to the previous gestures from the other nations.
Common rule is you have to let the other party react to peace gestures or diplomatic appeals before you can declare war or take any sort of military actions.

Canales: I consider myself a fervent Christian. I hold that God created the earth, that men sinned against God, that God came in human form to save us all from our transgressions. What you are doing, however, is unparamounted in the annals of world history. It seems you have learned nothing from history's lessons, and little from Jesus's own lessons.

(all NIV)Matthew 5:11+12 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted you the prophets before you."
Matthew 5:38- "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Don't say I'm some "scum-sucking liberal" or something either. All men are God's creation, God loves atheists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, EVERYONE, equally. We must accept His gift of grace, however, before we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. What you are contemplating with this aggressive and irrational move is a terrible witness. You will destroy both guilty and innocent alike? Are you God to judge other men? Were you born yourself into a state of perfect grace? You will call yourself a "Defender of the Faith" while threatening to rain death on any who oppose? History has shown, moreover, that Jesus's method works. It was integral to Gandhi's campaign of civil disobedience that won India's independence from the British Empire. Martin Luther King Jr. used it when campaigning for civil rights. All this action will do is tarnish the reputation of Christians on this site as throwbacks from the Crusades, converting at swordpoint while hacking and looting. Minister with peace, not with war. If you do this, I guarantee a fruitless arms race will result, with atheists building their own weapons, and targeting predominantly Christian nations. The downright hostile athiest nations, like Danakar of old, will have no reason to hold back. Arizona Nova will brook no reckless attacks on any nation with these weapons. Considering their nature, use of them "in a defensive manner" strikes me as a little preposterous. They are not defenses, they are offenses. As such, they will be terminated if used. I will reiterate, even if you have pledges to use them defensively, your earlier statement, The only good athiest is a dead athiest. Soon I will attack the US and free it from the tyranny of the homosexual antichristians. is reason enough to fret. Attack the US, and slaughter Christian and non alike? I won't stand for it!

Our God is also a God of Peace. We will stop targeting other nations if they agree not to target us and to stop invading us.
Also, we would like them to send any christians they don't want in their nation to the empire so we can give them refuge.
The Empire will not attack the United States, but I will impose an economic sanctions on them and bar all Canalesian citizens and business from traveling to and or doing business with persons and groups that are citizens of the United States.

-OOC-

Sorry 'bout that. Heh, getting a little too used to wars starting quickly.

I'll edit it to make it more of a threat than a statement of action.

How's "Any attempts to strengthen your orbital weapons program will be met with swift action" sound? ^_^

-OOC-

Sorry 'bout that. Heh, getting a little too used to wars starting quickly.

I'll edit it to make it more of a threat than a statement of action.

How's "Any attempts to strengthen your orbital weapons program will be met with swift action" sound? ^_^

You could. But it would fall on deaf ears. And attacking a nation just cause they have orbital weapons might harm your relations with other states.
Since many believe every nation has the right to all forms of weapons deemed necessary for self defense.

-OOC-

True, true. If they want to attack me because of it, take a number and get in line. ^_^

But on a serious note, it's kind of like trying to keep nukes out of the hands of unstable violent regimes today. An action necessary to ensure the security of a nation can be justified in sufficient evidence is provided.

-OOC-

True, true. If they want to attack me because of it, take a number and get in line. ^_^

But on a serious note, it's kind of like trying to keep nukes out of the hands of unstable violent regimes today. An action necessary to ensure the security of a nation can be justified in sufficient evidence is provided.

OOC: You can hardly call Canales an unstable regime just cause they have orbital weapons.
You have to remember that this is an empire that has been repeatedly attacked and invaded by its neighbors and other nations wanting colonies, satelite nations, puppets, etc.
If you had that kind of history you'd be building orbital weapons and pointing them at people too.

IC: The empire notes the hypocrisy of Mekanta. Mekanta wants to justify attacking a soverin state for ensuring its own defense, yet Mekanta has openly admitted to murdering thousands of innocents in its own land.

The following is an exert from KRXZ News in the RGP:

Public outcry in the Republic of Global Peoples in response to the declaration by the Empire of Canales has pressured Parliment to release this official statement earlier today.

"The government of the RGP will not support or participate, directly or indirectly in the wanton crusade being proposed by Canales. Any unjustified or unwarrented attack on any other nation by Canales, will result in a sever of all diplomatic ties and an effort to bring the international community in a joint action against any such actions."

Outcry at the proposal came from almost all groups withing the RPG. Rev Albert Morris, spokseman for the Christian League of South Republic, commented to KRXZ news this afternoon: "Such an action has no rationale except for bloodlust and mindless revenge. It is a direct insult to the values and principles of Jesus Christ and the entire Christian Community."

Much concern was also raised over tha nature of "persectution" that the Empire had stated. "Catholics and Protestants have been persecutjing eachother for centuries. Is he opening up the possibility of a war within Christianity? " Stated Janet Goldstein of the West RGP Lutheran Federation. "I don't think the implications of such an action have been thought through."

-OOC-

You do your research. ^_^


-IC-

"While the details of that incident are classified, we can assure you most of those killed were NOT innocent, and those that were simply stood at the wrong location at the wrong time."

"Might we remind the nation of Canales of the threats it has recently made? Regimes that base their decisions purely on Religious dogma and have recently threatened the destruction of those that do not agree with their narrow mindset are not, mind you, conductive to the security of nations that fall outside their dogma when nations such as yours have such weapons at their disposal."

"Our threats are incited by an obvious threat to the security of ourselves, our allies, our interests, and others."