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As Queen Romalia exits the theatre, a TBD sniper readies his gun. He is dressed in standard TBD issue “Urban Combat” dress, and a Ratio Ultimate on his shoulder. He carefully puts the Queen in his sights.

~bang~

The Queen falls, a gaping hole in her head, bleeding profusely. The sniper jumps the five stories, killing himself instantly as hails of gunfire follow.

ONE MONTH LATER
Following the assassination, the people of TBD split into five different areas: Cajj, Hig, Nato, Jaab, and Jero. All of these areas are fighting for control but Cajj has the supreme weaponry and tactics.

Garret Hajj readies his MAR-13. He has been fighting for the TBD Central Republic, known as Highfather before the war. Cajj.

“FOR CAJJ!” he screams, spraying down fire on the bunker before him. Both occupants hurl grenades and spray machine gunfire. Miraculously, Garret slides two small grenades through the slit in the hillside.

“People of The Burnsian Desert, Cajj Sector!” yells General Commander Micheal Kingsly. “Too long have we struggled against the other factions. We will prevail!”

Total Truth! The queen has been assassinated! We are deeply sadened, but there is nothing we can do.

OOC: The other factions are available as creatable countries.

How about TA takes 'control' of two of this 'factions?'

OOC: We won't make actual nations, but we'll have control of them. I see TBD is pretty much gone, correct? We would like control of Hig and Nato.

WiH will send a hospital ship with room for 1000people(its civillian).
It will be protected by a small task force and will enter cajj waters in 5ns days.
Due to the war we do not know who is in charge of the government so we
would like to ask TBD Central Republic to let us in unless they do not allow us, we will then not enter your national waters.

We will help Cajj in anyway they ask of us, but we will contribute more easily if we can have Jero.

Cajj is in major control. Contact her.

The Fedral union will observe this closely.

We're using TBD's old army...

Population:



1st Population Group (40,000,000 Men, women and Children) ? Assorted Weapons Equipped



Regular Home Guard:



1st Home Guard (1000 Men) ? MAR-13 Medium Assault Rifle, Pitchfork, Ratio Ultimate, RPG, Stinger, T-80 Equipped



2nd Home Guard (1000 Men) ? MAR-13 Medium Assault Rifle, Pitchfork, Ratio Ultimate, RPG, Stinger, T-80 Equipped



3rd Home Guard (1000 Men) ? MAR-13 Medium Assault Rifle, Pitchfork, Ratio Ultimate, RPG, Stinger, T-80 Equipped



4th Home Guard (1000 Men) ? MAR-13 Medium Assault Rifle, Pitchfork, Ratio Ultimate, RPG, Stinger, T-80 Equipped



ROYAL ATTACK DIVISIONS


Royal Scout Teams:



1st Raid Scout Team (3 men) ? Ratio Ultimate, M-9, Skorpion MG Equipped



2nd Raid Scout Team (3 men) ? Ratio Ultimate, M-9, Skorpion MG Equipped



Main Attack Divisions:



1st Main Attack Division (40 Men) ? AK-47, AK-74SU, Tabuk Sniper, Landing Craft, BDRM-II, RPG Equipped



2nd Main Attack Division (40 Men) ? AK-47, AK-74SU, Tabuk Sniper, Landing Craft, BDRM-II, RPG Equipped



3rd Main Attack Division (40 Men) ? AK-47, AK-74SU, Tabuk Sniper, Landing Craft, BDRM-II, RPG Equipped



4th Main Attack Division (40 Men) ? AK-47, AK-74SU, Tabuk Sniper, Landing Craft, BDRM-II, RPG Equipped



5th Main Attack Division (40 Men) ? AK-47, AK-74SU, Tabuk Sniper, Landing Craft, BDRM-II, RPG Equipped



NAVAL FORCES


Royal Carrier Standoff Groups:



1st Royal Carrier Standoff Group (7 ships) ? CVA Admiral Kuznov, OSA, Type-45 Stealth Destroyer Equipped



2nd Royal Carrier Standoff Group (7 ships) ? CVA Admiral Kuznov, OSA, Type-45 Stealth Destroyer Equipped



3rd Royal Carrier Standoff Group (7 ships) ? CVA Admiral Kuznov, OSA, Type-45 Stealth Destroyer Equipped



4th Royal Carrier Standoff Group (7 ships) ? CVA Admiral Kuznov, OSA, Type-45 Stealth Destroyer Equipped



5th Royal Carrier Standoff Group (7 ships) ? CVA Admiral Kuznov, OSA, Type-45 Stealth Destroyer Equipped



Sea Surface Royal Groups (All Stealth):



1st Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



2nd Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



3rd Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



4th Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



5th Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



6th Royal Small Fleet (2 Ships) ? Vispy PTB Equipped



Major Fleets:



1st Major Fleet (7 Ships) ? Type-45 Stealth Destroyer, Sea Shadow Equipped



2nd Major Fleet (7 Ships) ? Type-45 Stealth Destroyer, Sea Shadow Equipped



Subsurface Missile Standoff Groups:



1st Royal Missile Standoff Group (3 boats) ? OHIO Class (4 Trident 125 MT Nuclear Missiles), Seawolf Class Equipped



Subsurface Missile Search and Destroy Groups:



1st Royal Search and Destroy Group (2 Boats) ? Virginia Class Equipped



2nd Royal Search and Destroy Group (2 Boats) ? Virginia Class Equipped



3rd Royal Search and Destroy Group (2 Boats) ? Virginia Class Equipped



4th Royal Search and Destroy Group (2 Boats) ? Virginia Class Equipped



Coast Guard:



1st Royal Defence Fleet (5 ships) ? OSA II, Virginia Class SSN Equipped



2nd Royal Defence Fleet (5 ships) ? OSA II, Virginia Class SSN Equipped



3rd Royal Defence Fleet (5 ships) ? OSA II, Virginia Class SSN Equipped



4th Royal Defence Fleet (5 ships) ? OSA II, Virginia Class SSN Equipped



AIR WINGS


Royal Intercept Air Wings:

?

1st Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? Mirage 2000 Equipped



2nd Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? Mirage 2000 Equipped



3rd Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? Mirage 2000 Equipped



4th Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? F-16 Equipped



5th Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? F-16 Equipped



6th Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? F-16 Equipped



7th Royal Air Wing (7 Aircraft) ? F-16 Equipped

Royal Anti-Naval Air Wings:

1st Royal Anti-Naval Air Wing (2 Aircraft) - B-52 (3 Harpoons and a counterweight) Equipped

2nd Royal Anti-Naval Air Wing (2 Aircraft) - B-52 (3 Harpoons and a counterweight) Equipped

3rd Royal Anti-Naval Air Wing (2 Aircraft) - B-52 (3 Harpoons and a counterweight) Equipped

Conventional Air Bomber Air Wings:

(none)

Nuclear Air Bomber Wings:

1st Nuclear Bomber Wing (2 Aircraft, 4x50 MT Warheads each) - XB-70929c (Valkyrie) Equipped


WAR IN HEAVEN:
Allowed.

The Fedral union will observe this closely.
As always. :lol:

How about TA takes 'control' of two of this 'factions?'

OOC: Just a warning, but if you nation is going to take control of two of the factions you will have to RP taking control... there are loads of ways of doing it, from talking to them and making a deal (protection) or just invading them for land.

The latter will ensure you get then, where as the former isn't a certain because they may not agree.

Eitherway The Burnsian Desert should just use his old nation "The Burnsian Desert" to RP the other factions for RP perposes. Plus it assures he has control of the factions up until he's found someone suitable.

Iuthia:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwAAAGQUGbjzqRf6CLVyngFN9HmesmKkhMDVwcj6enamhCcSIn5ERA7eWR5J2WvvyX3zrpMP7MxpayLBk!ywQduI3UXanSB5*U! jKXPMGVU/Watch.bmp?dc=4675459184104637495

HI pledges support to Cajj.

Secret transmission to Cajj leadership:

We request your premission to send Special Operations units to aid you in your fight. They will train your people in advanced tactics and aid your people in their operations.

We also send our deepest sympathy to TBD for the loss of their queen and Micheal Kingsly for the loss of his wife.

OCC: what happens with my base in TBD?

OOC: Well, My forces are still in TBD..

IC:

Danneland will claim TBD land, Since our forces are still there. We feel that we have no need to send in more.


Danneland troop forces:

1st Infantry Assault-Division Storm
2nd Infantry Assault-Division Lightning
3rd Infantry Assault-Division Thunder
4th Infantry AA-Division Hammer
5th Infantry Anti-Tank Division Fire
6th Infantry Anti-Tank Division Ice
7th Infantry AA-Division Hell
8th Infantry Landing Party Bullit
9th Infantry Landing Party Expedition
10th Infantry Landing Party Blue

10.000 men in each Division wich adds up to 100.000 men.

1st Engineer-Division Nail
2nd Engineer-Division Screw
3rd Engineer-Division Brick

3000 men in each, adds up to 9000.

1st Infantry Defence Division Home
2nd Infantry Defence Division Guard
3rd Infantry Defence Division Star
4th Infantry Defence Division Moon
5th Infantry Defence Division Dust
6th Infantry Defence Division Conquer

10.000 men in each, adds up to 60.000

1st Special Forces Division Alpha-Fox

1000 men in that division.

All sums up to 170.000 infantries.

---

1st Tank Division Stone (1000 tanks)
2nd Tank Division Wood (1000 tanks)
3rd Tank Divion Rock (500 tanks)

2500 tanks.

---


1st Air Fither Squadron Red Eagle
2nd Air Fither Squadron Blue Eagle
3rd Air Fither Squadron Green Eagle
4th Air Fither Squadron Yellow Eagle
5th Air Fither Squadron Black Eagle
6th Air Fither Squadron White Eagle

500 fighters in each, adds up to 3000 fighters.

1st Bomber Squadron Blast
2nd Bomber Squadron Explotion
3rd Bomber Squadron Shake
4th Bomber Squadron Quake

250 Bombers in each, adds up to 1000 bombers.

The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.

The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.

As said before, we say it again. As long as Dr_Twist forces dont fire on Danneland force, we will be happy to not fire at Dr_Twist forces.
I hope you dont plan to brake such and understanding.. again.

The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.

As said before, we say it again. As long as Dr_Twist forces dont fire on Danneland force, we will be happy to not fire at Dr_Twist forces.
I hope you dont plan to brake such and understanding.. again.

The Dr_Twist Government is a lot more understand these days Towards Danneland since good relations have started with the country.

The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.

As said before, we say it again. As long as Dr_Twist forces dont fire on Danneland force, we will be happy to not fire at Dr_Twist forces.
I hope you dont plan to brake such and understanding.. again.

The Dr_Twist Government is a lot more understand these days Towards Danneland since good relations have started with the country.

This is good news, in the future, Danneland and Dr_Twist might have a boarder to share.

:lol: The Dr_Twist Government hopes Relations with Danneland Increase and get stronger.

Danneland will claim TBD land, Since our forces are still there. We feel that we have no need to send in more.

Hm... what claim do you have to this land? Are you invading this part of TBD with forces that are already positioned there or are you being given the leadership of the area... if the latter is the case then we would require proof of the region delegating control over to you.

Otherwise we will assume you forced your leadership of the region and place economic sanctions against your nation for the forceful regime change.

So what did you do? Did you take the place by force or did the area hand itself over to you, provide proof of this hand over and we won't view this as a illegal land grab.

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The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.

Understood, we recognise your land as such and will not further pursue the matter.

We will also politically object should any faction attempt to remove you other then TBD, but seeing as TBD is no more we see no claim to do so.

Which of the five factions is your base residing and do you have good relations with them?

Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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OOC Note: While Iuthia has not really been in this situation at all previously, we do like to keep an eye on international affairs. If you do not want to answer us then it is your choice as we are not an important part of the situation. However, we do use these situations to judge a nation and as such treating us baddly will be reflected in our stance towards you.

Meanwhile, if you are going to claim an area it may help if you claim which of the five factions you are with. Seeing as TBD has left them open...

If you want to give legitimate proof of your ownership of a faction (beyond just saying it) get TBD to say that the faction has done so. I know TBD is no longer a nation, but he does represent all five of the factions will and as such I will only recgonise your ownership (IC) if he says you have proof. Otherwise I will assume Imperialism.

The Dr_Twist base in TBD is still classed as Dr_Twist land, an invasion of it would be a declaration of war.


Which of the five factions is your base residing and do you have good relations with them?

Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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Oh i got ya now..... well i am not sure really, the Dr_Twist Government doesn't wish to take sides atm.

http://www.geocities.com/suelaiced/claimedland.jpg


Danneland claims the north western part of TBD.
Danneland has its forces there and are ready to defend its claim untill Danneland is recognized as its owner. If nessesary, Danneland will send in more troops.

Iuthia No one has handed over the area to Danneland, you may call it an illegal land grabb. Danneland calls it spoils of war. Our troops have been within TBD for a very long time and have fought furiosly, there has never been peace between our two nations.

OOC: I dont represent any faction, it is simply Danneland itselfe who claims the land.

-another edit. wtf is wrong with the picture? am I the only one who cant se it?

The Dr_Twist Government will not Get Involved unless the Dr_Twist Base is attacked, or an allie is attacked over issues....

Oh i got ya now..... well i am not sure really, the Dr_Twist Government doesn't wish to take sides atm.

It was more of a geological question, as your base was in TBD so it's assumed you will be in someone's territory, even though the base is your own land (much like an embassy is) it will be surrounded by one of the factions.

However, I understand that you may have to wait to find out which one has you. Unless you are unlucky and your base is on the boarders of all five factions (which would place you in the middle).

OOC: I can't see the picture either. But it depends on which site you are linking, some don't allow it.

Oh i got ya now..... well i am not sure really, the Dr_Twist Government doesn't wish to take sides atm.

It was more of a geological question, as your base was in TBD so it's assumed you will be in someone's territory, even though the base is your own land (much like an embassy is) it will be surrounded by one of the factions.

However, I understand that you may have to wait to find out which one has you. Unless you are unlucky and your base is on the boarders of all five factions (which would place you in the middle).

My base is on a Island so i am guessing no 1 else is on it or if there is some 1 i only have 1 put up with 1 person, It was put on an Island for naval purposes.

Danneland claims the north western part of TBD.
Danneland has its forces there and are ready to defend its claim untill Danneland is recognized as its owner. If nessesary, Danneland will send in more troops.

So how are you claiming such land... do the inhabitants mind that you are doing so and on what grounds do you claim that the teritory is your own?

Why do you want part of this broken nation, they don't need another faction to further split their nation. If you do not proove you have a legitimate reason for claiming this land we will declare your nation to be invading one of the factions of TBD and place economic sanctions on your nation.

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OOC: I dont represent any faction, it is simply Danneland itselfe who claims the land.

OOC: So whats the deal then? Your military were defending TBD before the break-up and now they have broke up you are taking some of the nation for yourself?

Basically put my nation will see this as a land grab and condemn it as such because you have failed to produce a valid claim of the land. OOC I don't mind what your up to, it builds plot. But you have to understand that this will be seen as imperialistic.

Danneland claims the north western part of TBD.
Danneland has its forces there and are ready to defend its claim untill Danneland is recognized as its owner. If nessesary, Danneland will send in more troops.

So how are you claiming such land... do the inhabitants mind that you are doing so and on what grounds do you claim that the teritory is your own?

Why do you want part of this broken nation, they don't need another faction to further split their nation. If you do not proove you have a legitimate reason for claiming this land we will declare your nation to be invading one of the factions of TBD and place economic sanctions on your nation.

Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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OOC: I dont represent any faction, it is simply Danneland itselfe who claims the land.

OOC: So whats the deal then? Your military were defending TBD before the break-up and now they have broke up you are taking some of the nation for yourself?

Basically put my nation will see this as a land grab and condemn it as such because you have failed to produce a valid claim of the land. OOC I don't mind what your up to, it builds plot. But you have to understand that this will be seen as imperialistic.


IC:

Danneland declared war on TBD, we invaded and our forces hasnt been defeated. We have nothing to do with the split up. Go ahead, declare that we are invaders. For invaders we are. Economic sanctions? go ahead.


OOC:
I invaded TBD, she stoped to post in the invation thread. Not saying if she ignored me or anything. Im playing fair and Im not saying that I won the war, simply just that my troops never left and that they have been fighting there for quite some time. My plan in the first place was just to level the nation to the ground. Now that there is a chance that I can get som territory, I'l take it.

It might seem imperialistik, on the other hand, my forces have been there for a very long time. It seems rather logical that I am the first one to claim any sort of land.

Danneland declared war on TBD, we invaded and our forces hasnt been defeated. We have nothing to do with the split up. Go ahead, declare that we are invaders. For invaders we are. Economic sanctions? go ahead.

Now that the nation is broken I do not see the point of remaining there... you have won. However I will not place Economic Sanctions on you at this moment because in all truth we didn't really like TBD all that much and if you were at war proir to the nation becoming broken then I see no problem as such because there were many reasons to be at war with the orginal TBD.

However, we ask that you treat all citizens under your claim with respect as well as vigilance... they may not like you being there but that is no reason to harm them unless they are actively trying to remove you. We expect the situation is going to get worse before it gets better.

We would like to request that we deploy some observers into your area of TBD so that we may have a better position to watch the other factions as well as your own treatment of the TBD people, with our embedded observers we can prove to the world that your nation is being reasonable in your claim.

This request will also extend to Dr_Twist's military base, we would like to embed a few observers into military units to observe the situation from mulitple angles.

Both requests are voluntary, though they would improve relations if you would agree.

Thanks,

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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The Dr_Twist Government doesn't have any issues at all with Iuthia observes being based in the Dr_Twist Millitary base.

Thankyou, we will send a dozen within the next couple of days*. They will be sent by an civilian Iuthian private jet with the attached details [Attachment: 0001], please assure it's safety while traveling to your air base if you can, we will supplement any cost if you so desire.

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OOC Footnotes:

* Probably done by the time you next post.

All observers will have had past military experience due to their two years complusory military service at one point in their lives... as such they will not slow down any unit they are part of, should you deploy forces I may request that a unit from those forces as an observer... generally just argee or disagree to allow me that right, if so just RP like normal and I will post if I see something I need to RP, mostly this only counts if you have to call damages... I may or may not loose observers.

They come with body armour and a clear blue and red helmet with "Reporter" on it in clear white writing... while they are not reporters it makes sense and it may help. Generally they will only join Army and Naval units as Air Force don't have the room for them.

Danneland declared war on TBD, we invaded and our forces hasnt been defeated. We have nothing to do with the split up. Go ahead, declare that we are invaders. For invaders we are. Economic sanctions? go ahead.

Now that the nation is broken I do not see the point of remaining there... you have won. However I will not place Economic Sanctions on you at this moment because in all truth we didn't really like TBD all that much and if you were at war proir to the nation becoming broken then I see no problem as such because there were many reasons to be at war with the orginal TBD.

However, we ask that you treat all citizens under your claim with respect as well as vigilance... they may not like you being there but that is no reason to harm them unless they are actively trying to remove you. We expect the situation is going to get worse before it gets better.

We would like to request that we deploy some observers into your area of TBD so that we may have a better position to watch the other factions as well as your own treatment of the TBD people, with our embedded observers we can prove to the world that your nation is being reasonable in your claim.

This request will also extend to Dr_Twist's military base, we would like to embed a few observers into military units to observe the situation from mulitple angles.

Both requests are voluntary, though they would improve relations if you would agree.

Thanks,

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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"Send in all the observers you want, the citizents in our claim will be treated the same way as any citizent in Danneland. They will recieve the same rights, and the same responsibilities. We have no reason to wreck havoc amongst ordinary people. For what good is the land if no one lives in it? We have come to understand that those citizent in our claim have a very different life compared to those in Danneland. They are undereducated, poor, few electronics. Danneland aims to build up its part of TBD to Dannelands own standard"

-Daniel, Dictator of Danneland.

"Send in all the observers you want, the citizents in our claim will be treated the same way as any citizent in Danneland. They will recieve the same rights, and the same responsibilities. We have no reason to wreck havoc amongst ordinary people. For what good is the land if no one lives in it? We have come to understand that those citizent in our claim have a very different life compared to those in Danneland. They are undereducated, poor, few electronics. Danneland aims to build up its part of TBD to Dannelands own standard"

-Daniel, Dictator of Danneland.

Very well, we will be flying in an civilian Iuthian private jet with the attached details [Attachment: 0002], please assure it's safety while traveling to your airstrips if you can, we will supplement any cost if you so desire.

Please note that we are no longer looking at your nation in a bad light now that we understand the situation better, these observers are being placed so that they may prove to my people as well as any others that your area is being well managed.

We would also like to use your area to allow observation of other TBD factions from a closer position. Should have to defend yourselves from the other factions we would like one or two embedded observers to join a squad each and view situation from a ground level, with your permision of course, it will be understood if you would prefer to keep them out, though they are trained enough not to hinder a unit.

Thanks none the less.

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"You will have full acess to all our public airstrips in the area. We thank you for understanding the situation better. We believe that TBD itselfe would suffer less if it all were controled by Danneland. Onfortunally, there are political differences and other intrests in play. So we will stay in our claim.

You'r observers shall be allowed to join various task forces if battle becomes nessesary. In faqt, to prove that we under most willing to co-operate one of your observers will be joining a Gundam Squad once it arrives. Few foreigners have seen them.

There are plans to solve the situation diplomaticly with the other factions in the area, though, we cannot promise anything since we wont, under any sircumstances back down from our claim. This I must point out, there is no way.

But as said, your observers are more than wellcome."

-Daniel, Dictator Of Danneland.

Again we don't wish to get involved, but if allies are attacked becaues of this thread we will defend them.

Iuthia, your Observes will be welcome at any time, DW about the cost the government will cover the costs.

Ok then, I'll just leave it at that for the time being. Can't really do anything for the time being because both nations are neutral. But thanks guys, I'll remember I've got the guys over there.

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As the fighting rages in the mountains, the new leader of Cajj steps up to a podium in a bunker, deep under the city. He is wearing an ammunition belt across his chest. Kingsly has gotten tanner, and grown out a mustache. There are some jokes about it, which he answers appropriately.

"As the leader of Cajj, I officially state that our great nation will be whole again. We will defeat the aggessors. No matter what it takes. As we speak, the Special Operations forces of Cajj are preparing for random attacks against Danneland. TBD will be whole. AVENGE THE QUEEN!"

Somewhere above Danneian jungle in the former Burnsian Desert:

"Go! Go! GO!"

40 members of the Cajj SPECOPS battallion parachute into the jungle to train gurrelia (OOC:spelling?) fighters.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/asianow/9909/nepal.gurkhas/05.gurkha.soldier.gun.jpg

As the fighting rages in the mountains, the new leader of Cajj steps up to a podium in a bunker, deep under the city. He is wearing an ammunition belt across his chest. Kingsly has gotten tanner, and grown out a mustache. There are some jokes about it, which he answers appropriately.

"As the leader of Cajj, I officially state that our great nation will be whole again. We will defeat the aggessors. No matter what it takes. As we speak, the Special Operations forces of Cajj are preparing for random attacks against Danneland. TBD will be whole. AVENGE THE QUEEN!"

Somewhere above Danneian jungle in the former Burnsian Desert:

"Go! Go! GO!"

40 members of the Cajj SPECOPS battallion parachute into the jungle to train gurrelia (OOC:spelling?) fighters.

http://www.msu.edu/~potters2/soldiers.jpg

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-SENDING TELECOM MESSAGE-

-MESSAGE RECEIVED BY TBD SECURITY NET-

-PASSWORD REQUEST-

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-CONFIRMED-

-UPLINK CONNECTED-

- CODE - COMMMAND - DISABLE NW TBD ANTI-MISSILE NET -

-CLEARANCE?-

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-COMPLIED-

-DANNELAND NOW VULNERABLE TO MISSILE ATTACKS-

-UPLINK DOWN-
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<---Is watching 8)

[code:1:6c1aaef1c6]-DANNELAND NOW VULNERABLE TO MISSILE ATTACKS-
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OOC: Please note that Danneland may (like the Americans did in Kuwiat) have mobile anti-missile systems. So it's important to note that only the national missile defence system is down.

OOC query- are any of the TBD factions still unclaimed? Coz' I would be interested.

Don't be alarmed by the date of this country- I'm proxying for another power (and my net connection is giving me trouble today)

Thanks

How about TA takes 'control' of two of this 'factions?'

OOC: Just a warning, but if you nation is going to take control of two of the factions you will have to RP taking control... there are loads of ways of doing it, from talking to them and making a deal (protection) or just invading them for land.

The latter will ensure you get then, where as the former isn't a certain because they may not agree.

Eitherway The Burnsian Desert should just use his old nation "The Burnsian Desert" to RP the other factions for RP perposes. Plus it assures he has control of the factions up until he's found someone suitable.

Iuthia:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwAAAGQUGbjzqRf6CLVyngFN9HmesmKkhMDVwcj6enamhCcSIn5ERA7eWR5J2WvvyX3zrpMP7MxpayLBk!ywQduI3UXanSB5*U! jKXPMGVU/Watch.bmp?dc=4675459184104637495

OOC: Fine. Geez. Make things hard for TA. My poor little hand is having trouble typing. I just don't type fast so it takes forever!

IC: The general walks into the light. He speaks with a low voice.
"We are in agreement then?" The man sitting down at the small table with the light on him and the stack of papers piling high on the table top sighs. "Yes." "Thank you. We will be in contact." The general picks up the stack of papers. Scanning to the last page, he sees the signature. He goes back to the title page which reads, "TA in control of Hig and Nato." He thanks the man once again and walks out of the room to the main deck of the aircraft carrier. He walks to the plane which is ready to take off. The door is opened for him, and the plane takes off. The man is now long off in the distance.

How about TA takes 'control' of two of this 'factions?'

OOC: Just a warning, but if you nation is going to take control of two of the factions you will have to RP taking control... there are loads of ways of doing it, from talking to them and making a deal (protection) or just invading them for land.

The latter will ensure you get then, where as the former isn't a certain because they may not agree.

Eitherway The Burnsian Desert should just use his old nation "The Burnsian Desert" to RP the other factions for RP perposes. Plus it assures he has control of the factions up until he's found someone suitable.

Iuthia:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwAAAGQUGbjzqRf6CLVyngFN9HmesmKkhMDVwcj6enamhCcSIn5ERA7eWR5J2WvvyX3zrpMP7MxpayLBk!ywQduI3UXanSB5*U! jKXPMGVU/Watch.bmp?dc=4675459184104637495

OOC: Fine. Geez. Make things hard for TA. My poor little hand is having trouble typing. I just don't type fast so it takes forever!

IC: The general walks into the light. He speaks with a low voice.
"We are in agreement then?" The man sitting down at the small table with the light on him and the stack of papers piling high on the table top sighs. "Yes." "Thank you. We will be in contact." The general picks up the stack of papers. Scanning to the last page, he sees the signature. He goes back to the title page which reads, "TA in control of Hig and Nato." He thanks the man once again and walks out of the room to the main deck of the aircraft carrier. He walks to the plane which is ready to take off. The door is opened for him, and the plane takes off. The man is now long off in the distance.

IC: How's that?

OOC: The point isn't to make it hard, it's to enhance the level of RP... my point is simple. Is your nation taking control of these nations and how?

Now you seem to be trying to do it legitimately, which makes sense. However I would prefer you do more then just say "I have been given this signed paper" because I could do that myself and neither of us would need proof... we would just argue.

Proof would be getting TBD (the nation they all belong to before he broke up) to say "Yes, those factions agreed to be taken over" and give a reasonable excuse for why they agreed. Otherwise I could assume your military just moved in and took the place.

If you are offering just to RP the factions seperate from your nation then I suppose you can just do that, but it has to be seperate and independant of your nation.

Meh... but it's not my thread so ask TBD.

OOC:

Excuse me for beating a dead horse, but what war DL? You can't claim victory in a war that was never fought. The fighting of the war was never actully RP'ed. How can you suddenly jump from dropships heading towards landing zones heavily protected by TBD allies to winning the war? It's a godmod. You would have had to go through my forces, which you did not. Therefore, you can't claim victory in a war you haven't even fought. If it were just between TBD and you, that would be one thing. But many nations were involved, and simply claiming victory without RP'ing the war is a Godmod. You can't claim victory without giving us a chance to fight. It was your decision to wait for TBD to get back online before the war continued, now that the war is dead, and never likely to be continued, you can't simply come here and say "I win". You would have had to defeat my forces, amoung others, and you did not, and my forces certainly did not leave or surrender. I would suggest doing what's best here, and let the dead war stay dead. Pretend it never happened, the whole thing was called off, whatever. The fact is that you can't go from having dropships hovering over places gaurded by my forces to having a massive army on the ground just like that.

OOC:

Excuse me for beating a dead horse, but what war DL? You can't claim victory in a war that was never fought. The fighting of the war was never actully RP'ed. How can you suddenly jump from dropships heading towards landing zones heavily protected by TBD allies to winning the war? It's a godmod. You would have had to go through my forces, which you did not. Therefore, you can't claim victory in a war you haven't even fought. If it were just between TBD and you, that would be one thing. But many nations were involved, and simply claiming victory without RP'ing the war is a Godmod. You can't claim victory without giving us a chance to fight. It was your decision to wait for TBD to get back online before the war continued, now that the war is dead, and never likely to be continued, you can't simply come here and say "I win". You would have had to defeat my forces, amoung others, and you did not, and my forces certainly did not leave or surrender. I would suggest doing what's best here, and let the dead war stay dead. Pretend it never happened, the whole thing was called off, whatever. The fact is that you can't go from having dropships hovering over places gaurded by my forces to having a massive army on the ground just like that.


And my reply is, I didnt win. The war isnt over, and there is no peace.
Since TBD stoped to reply, and never made one atempt to explain why she stoped to reply. I simply say that, I didnt win, my forces has fought all this time (even though it didnt got RPed, wich btw.. wasnt my fault)
The area wich I am claiming isnt mine yet. Im simply claiming it, its not mine. Its still TBDs.

I didnt win, my troops are still there. Thats what Im saying, and from that Im RPing. Now, I am most willing to RP the war, though. the outcome of that war must be that my forces are still in TBD. If someone just stops to reply in a war, there are some consequenses, and mine aint that high. Just that my troops are still there, any ideas that I won, or that the land is mine is just made up bs.

I didnt win.
The war isnt over.
My troops are just still there.

and IC response will come soon.

The Republic of Austar Union will aid Cajj of removing Danneland agression from her soil.

"For Unity!" - General Falkner

IC:

"Um.. sir.. our Anti Missile system just went dead.."

An officer general his head.. "hacked.. again.. we need to get better secutiry. Oh well, when the missiles starts to rain down we might get back home. Split the forces into their divisions and have them to be on constant move. We dont want to loose everything in one missile attack. Beware of rebells, these people aint to happy that we are here. Get those planes into the air and have them dropping flyers over the villages. Let the propaganda start, also distribute food and water. Set up temporary hospitals, get the infrastructure working. We need to show these people that we are better than what they have seen before.

Just because we have the biggest millitary in the area, dont mean that we control it. No matter what our beloved dictator says"

"Yes sir" the soldier gave out the orders.

And all the forces in that area began to move, to be on a constant move.
Temporary hospitals were set up to provide for the citizent, no matter how mutch you hated someone who occupied your country, when they need a hospital, and its for free.. they will go see it.

Hi

A friend directed me towards this- I would be happy to create a new NS and play as Jaab, provided that area is still up for grabs, as it were (it seems to be, but I might have missed something)

I've contacted Cajj by TG, but please let me know if I'm treading on someone's toes already

IC:

"Um.. sir.. our Anti Missile system just went dead.."



OOC:It can't be hacked; it was ours in the first place, we just deactivated it. For the record.

IC:
"Sir, the bombers are prepped and ready."

"Nukes?"

"150 MT."

"Good. I want high casualties. Send out the bombers."


"Hit em."

OOC: My control of Jaab was given the OK in a TG from Cajj

A pair of unassuming individuals loited a few hundred yards from the perimeter fence.

"Seems to be some activity there."
"At least one bomber squadron, maybe more. Looks like the Cajj are finally making a big move."
"But in which direction?"
"That, as they say, is the question... Let's move."

***

Isolated radar post, somewhere in Jaab controlled territory.

"Sir, I have multiple vectored from targets JX, ON and RK..."
"Course and heading?"
"Not for us, sir. They seemto be heading toward the invaders."
"Someone doesn't like the Danne much. Inform HQ, if the Cajj hit the Danne, things could bounce right back at us. We don't want to be caught without a prayer..."
"At once sir!"

***

OOC: Can anyone direct me to a map? :)

Message to all involved parties broadcast over the GHTV communication sattelite.

President Karm Messner appears on camera, shuffles his notes and begins to speak.

This is a message to all parties involved in the breakup of the nation of TBD. We are concerned by recent events in a nation we consider an ally. However, we are not interested in a war with DL at the present time. Therefor, instead of sending military forces we will send relief. With DLs permission we will send as many passenger ships as we can find to TBD waters. These will transport any TBD national that wishes to leave the violence in their homeland to Greenhome. The boats would only take a specified number of civilians. We see this as a peaceful solution to our problem, how to help our ally without getting involved in a war.

The screen goes blank and then is replaced by an image of Greenhome's flag waving in the breeze.

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ENCRYPTED
FROM: President Messner
TO: Danneland
We request to know if you would allow our ships into TBD waters. If you will, we also request to know what an acceptable number of civilians is. Think of it this way, the less TBD nationals you have to deal with, the less chance of an effective rebellion there is.
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OOC:
Yep I'm back. My RPing skills are rusty, so forgive this horrible post. A lot happens in a month... I have no clue if I had forces in TBD, so I'm saying I don't at the present time.

OOC: DL, post casualties on the nuke attack please.

OOC: Cajj.. great, the first think you do is to nuke your own people. Congratts, you've just nuked a nation without nukes.
Before I post any casulties, how many nukes did you send?

Sorry for thinking that it was my defence.

IC:

"Greenhome, you may do so. Any civilian are free to leave our claimed territory at any time. We understand though that it may be hard due to the lack of Gold (the currency in danneland). We will let the word out that your nation is accepting civilians to come to your nation and that they are free to leave"



---over TBD Claimed Territory---

Danneland fighters roamed the sky when patroling, due to the missile defence going dead, the fighters were up in the sky 24/7.
If they were able to, they would atleast try to detect and shoot down incomming missiles.
The millitary staff was afraid that another holocast would come.
They were fully aware of that Danneland had been a victim of nuclear bombs in the past. And that they were brainwashed to fear and hate those who used the nukes.

The radar still worked, and any missiles that would come.. would be seen. But there would be little they could do about it.

And the faith of those who becomes the victims of nukes, came. The hell, the fire, the death. Nothing but pure evil struck the land wich Danneland had claimed. The land wich it had fought for, the land wich they intended to build up, to care for.

Now, it would all be a dessert.. a radioactive dessert.

The nukes fell, and the people died.


A Global Message to the world from the beloved dictator Daniel in Danneland

"Today, the fiath wich had hit us in the past hit us again. This time on foreign soil. We understand the Cajj may have some problems with uss claiming TBD land. On the other hand, their actions show that they do not care for the people or the land. They care only of power.
Today, they nuked their own people. Today, they sent nuclear bombs to bombs their own people.
We have no idea about the cassulties.
This has now escalated into a pure war, were one nation throws nukes at the other. We have no nukes, we have no ICMBs at all.
We cannot just stand by and watch them nuke their own people. If they nuke their own? Who says that they wont nuke everyone else in their search for power?
We ask the international community to act, not in favour for Cajj as before. But in favour to uss! They are murdurers! They executed their own! And an EXECUTION is what the leaders in Cajj deserve!"

---

The millitary in Danneland has been put on Invation and defence status.
Nothing get in or out of Danneland without permission from the Goverment.
The millitary is mobilizing a new invation force, this time, very mutch so larger than the other one.
We cannot just stand by.
The Cajj should be prepared to feel the wrath of Danneland.

---


Message to Hig, Nato, Jaab, and Jero

You, the other four factions in TBD. We understand that you have no high thoughts of Danneland. But look at what the Cajj has done. Who is the better one? Those who claim your land and wishes to build it up, make but a part of Danneland. A part wich would prosper in joy and health.
A part wich could help the rest of TBD.
Or the part wich hold the rest of TBD, and nukes its own people, kills it, execute it. In the hunt for more power and more money.
We ask you to join us and crush the Cajj. And after that, discuss peace matters and who that would rule the rest of TBD. For you must see that the Cajj must be destroyed, that it must be crushed and replaced by something better. For a triggerhappy Cajj that launches nukes at everyone isnt good.

The following message was broadcast by the Jaab regime:

Hitherto the provisional administration of our region has stressed the continued unity of the former Burnsian Desert on the basis of a formula of one people, one nation, and one day, one government. Whilst we have not recognised the regimes of Officer Kingsly, or those in Jero, naab or Hig, we have regarded them as of our blood, and people of honour.

Events in the last 48 hours have sadly alerted us to how mistaken we have been. There is no brotherhood in this land, and those who claim to serve the Burnsian Desert merely seek to destroy it. How can such peoples truly be our brothers, blood of our blood?

Today, the people of Jaab have spoken. With one voice, we have affirmed that we, the people of Jaab, are a free people, a noble people, and a peaceful people. As such we would not live in the same nation as others who clearly feel differntly.

The people of Jaab, on this day, the 1st of March, hereby declare our transitional independence as the Independent State of Jaab. A provsional government has been appointed.

To our neighbours, we have this to say: we no longer bear any ill will to any of you; and offer our services in mediating, peacekeeping and providing humanitarian aid. Our government is prepared to renounce any claims on your lands derived from our erstwhile membership in the TBD.
We will defend our freedom to the last however, and if attacked by any, our response shall by merciless.

To: the government of Danneland

Sir, in the past, as part of the Burnsian Desert, we regarded your country as our enemies. Today, in recognition of our emergence as an independent state, we no longer regard ourselves as being in a state of war with your forces.

Whilst we wish to remain in neutral in your struggle with the Kingsly regime in the former TBD, we would like to offer the hope that this day forth may see cordial relations between our nations.

To: the international community

In accordance with our declaration of independence, the Independent state of Jaab wishes to establish diplomatic relations with all nations, based upon a policy of respect for each other's sovereignty.

We would also welcome both development aid, and international protection in case our neighbours see fit to violate our lawful sovereignty.

To: the government of Danneland

Sir, in the past, as part of the Burnsian Desert, we regarded your country as our enemies. Today, in recognition of our emergence as an independent state, we no longer regard ourselves as being in a state of war with your forces.

Whilst we wish to remain in neutral in your struggle with the Kingsly regime in the former TBD, we would like to offer the hope that this day forth may see cordial relations between our nations.

To: the international community

In accordance with our declaration of independence, the Independent state of Jaab wishes to establish diplomatic relations with all nations, based upon a policy of respect for each other's sovereignty.

We would also welcome both development aid, and international protection in case our neighbours see fit to violate our lawful sovereignty.

In former TBD waters, near what remains of the area Cajj nuked

Off the coast 16 large ships are sighted flying the Greenhome flag and wear hastily painted red crosses on their sides. The 16 ships come from a variety of different sources. Several are cruise ships the government has temperarily taken over to be used in this endevor. Some are military troop ships. A few are even container ships hastily retrofitted for passenger transport. They approach the coast with caution. However when they see the ruins of what was once a beatiful land, they increase their speed to get to the coast as quickly as possible.

When they arrive at a former coastal town they weigh anchor. Launches are quickly loaded with the portioned 300 million GLC ($270 million US) aid that Greenhome's congress quickly approved. However, first to arrive are about 50 marines, that quickly try to establish order at the dock. As civilians rush up to the launches to get food, the marine commander steps up on a box and talks into the megaphone.

"The supplies are for all, first come, first serve. We are also authorized to take about 16,000 people back to Greenhome for permanate citizenship. If you wish to leave, register you and your family with one of the marines, who comes will be up to a random drawing."

OOC:
I guess it's up to DL how many people are alive in the area that was nuked and thus how many want to leave.

OOC:
I guess it's up to DL how many people are alive in the area that was nuked and thus how many want to leave.

I still need Cajj to say how many nukes he sent.

OOC: Sending Nukes? Now this RP has just gone stupid...

OOC: Cajj.. great, the first think you do is to nuke your own people. Congratts, you've just nuked a nation without nukes.
Before I post any casulties, how many nukes did you send?

Sorry for thinking that it was my defence.

IC:

"Greenhome, you may do so. Any civilian are free to leave our claimed territory at any time. We understand though that it may be hard due to the lack of Gold (the currency in danneland). We will let the word out that your nation is accepting civilians to come to your nation and that they are free to leave"



---over TBD Claimed Territory---

Danneland fighters roamed the sky when patroling, due to the missile defence going dead, the fighters were up in the sky 24/7.
If they were able to, they would atleast try to detect and shoot down incomming missiles.
The millitary staff was afraid that another holocast would come.
They were fully aware of that Danneland had been a victim of nuclear bombs in the past. And that they were brainwashed to fear and hate those who used the nukes.

The radar still worked, and any missiles that would come.. would be seen. But there would be little they could do about it.

And the faith of those who becomes the victims of nukes, came. The hell, the fire, the death. Nothing but pure evil struck the land wich Danneland had claimed. The land wich it had fought for, the land wich they intended to build up, to care for.

Now, it would all be a dessert.. a radioactive dessert.

The nukes fell, and the people died.


A Global Message to the world from the beloved dictator Daniel in Danneland

"Today, the fiath wich had hit us in the past hit us again. This time on foreign soil. We understand the Cajj may have some problems with uss claiming TBD land. On the other hand, their actions show that they do not care for the people or the land. They care only of power.
Today, they nuked their own people. Today, they sent nuclear bombs to bombs their own people.
We have no idea about the cassulties.
This has now escalated into a pure war, were one nation throws nukes at the other. We have no nukes, we have no ICMBs at all.
We cannot just stand by and watch them nuke their own people. If they nuke their own? Who says that they wont nuke everyone else in their search for power?
We ask the international community to act, not in favour for Cajj as before. But in favour to uss! They are murdurers! They executed their own! And an EXECUTION is what the leaders in Cajj deserve!"

---

The millitary in Danneland has been put on Invation and defence status.
Nothing get in or out of Danneland without permission from the Goverment.
The millitary is mobilizing a new invation force, this time, very mutch so larger than the other one.
We cannot just stand by.
The Cajj should be prepared to feel the wrath of Danneland.

---


Message to Hig, Nato, Jaab, and Jero

You, the other four factions in TBD. We understand that you have no high thoughts of Danneland. But look at what the Cajj has done. Who is the better one? Those who claim your land and wishes to build it up, make but a part of Danneland. A part wich would prosper in joy and health.
A part wich could help the rest of TBD.
Or the part wich hold the rest of TBD, and nukes its own people, kills it, execute it. In the hunt for more power and more money.
We ask you to join us and crush the Cajj. And after that, discuss peace matters and who that would rule the rest of TBD. For you must see that the Cajj must be destroyed, that it must be crushed and replaced by something better. For a triggerhappy Cajj that launches nukes at everyone isnt good.
Heck DL, I have the Anti-Missile, Bomber, Spacecraft Defence Shield, so... no casualties. Sorry to rain on your parade.

TARGET OF TBD/CAJJ NUKES: DL CAPITAL AND MAJOR CITIES
NUMBER OF NUKES: 8
YIELD: 150 MT

OOC: Sending Nukes? Now this RP has just gone stupid...
OOC: I've been wanting to make him suffer for a while.

Umm, Cajj, you do realize that according to your post, you nuked DL forces in the former TBD... So what he's insulting you over is that you nuked your own people... Yah... So how many nukes did you kill yourself with?

There's been some misconception... I nuked DL in his own country...

There's been some misconception... I nuked DL in his own country...

OOC: Is there even a real life example of a 150 Megaton nuclear weapon? I mean the average American/Russian nuclear weapons is around about 600 Kilotons - 900 Kilotons. Most nations settle for 1 Megaton nuclear weapons and they do alot of damage... 150 Megaton is just silly. I'd have to ask someone who knows alot of these kinds of things to even begin to know if it's even possible...

Eitherway you don't need to be claiming 150 Megatons because it's excessive to say the least... better off with more smaller warheads.

Umm, then how did you disable DL missile shield without hacking it...

There's been some misconception... I nuked DL in his own country...

OOC: Okay, so you claim to have hacked MY anti-missile defence in MY nation? first, please say that instead of just thinkin everyone will understand.
Seccond, in danneland there is something called the Ghosts. (and this is not BS, this I created like a year ago or so). Its an elite part of the millitary consisting of 30.000 hackers that monitors all the computers in danneland and develope various defence programs to defend such things as anti-missile systems (wich I dont have in the first place)

Dont asume things, ask first.

And you'r sorry "to rain on my parade" you nuke my country? Your are completly screwed.

IC:

Danneland casulties: Unknown, estemated some 300-700 million.
Several cities have been wiped of the planet. The society is crippeled and this day shall be rememberd for all times in the historybooks.

OOC: This will continue here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2836372#2836372

<OOC: Just to point out; Cajj is tiny. The largest RL nuke ever tested was by the Soviets, at 50 megatonnes. There's no way Cajj could have one 150 megatonne nuke, nevermind eight...But if Dannelands playing along, I'll go with it>

Talk about nuclear winters...

OOC: in the cold war there were rumours of soviet development of a 10 000 megaton cobalt-salted doomsday device, but like I said, fortunately they were only rumours...

Weren't the nukes launched from bombers though? presumably stand off weapons ( I'm a little lost)

Presumably this thread is over...

Anyhow, we've moved to the DL site, given that the conflict has excalated somewhat

double post

where?