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A friend of mine is obsessive about equiping his military with these things called metal gears. Yeeeees the ones from the game.

For those of you who didn't know, these things are literally battle mechs. Big walking robots with tons of guns and the ability to fly etc. etc.
Some of them even have rail guns capable of launching inter continental nukes!

Now thats a marvelous bit of creative genius by the author of the books and the maker of the game but it has sparked an argument which has tempers and ignore cannons going off willy nilly.

He thinks that these things quallify for the time period that most of us like to call "modern with some advances". Thats what most of us play in and I allways had the impression that it meant just that. That we used modern stuff but there was room for some improvisation, some invention, bigger range on missiles etc.
NOT HONKING GREAT BIG ROBOTS!

Now this argument is tearing our region apart and if it wasn't for the fact that we all think he's out of his mind and keep ignoring him, it would have caused war already.

SO GIVE US YOUR OPINION!

Who's right, who's wrong and what time period should they be in?

near-future tech, but it would be extremly expensive

near-future tech, but it would be extremly expensive

Not to mention about up-keep,

it's like my flagship, extremly expensive and the upkeep's a bitch, but it's worth it and feasible for near-future tech

it's like my flagship, extremly expensive and the upkeep's a bitch, but it's worth it and feasible for near-future tech

Hey....I have one of those..!!! :wink:

*hasn't used it once*

Please leave comments so I can finally convince this twit.

Hm... I could spend billions making a walker that can achieve the feat of walking with heavy armour and stability. Then find out that a single shot in the leg will affectively destroy the thing...

Or I could stick with my nice trusty tanks which are cheeper and have had all their tactics worked out and field tested, along with all the problems already solved and conviently easy to upkeep.


Walkers arn't worth it in my opinion... they are just a fantasy. They look nice but don't have enough use for me to switch to them.

The most commonly used periods in NS are, in my opinion:

Pre-Modern
Modern
Post-Modern
Pre-Futuristic
Space Age

The bulk of nations play in a Post-Modern period, possibley the year 2010 or there about. Nations playing in a specific time period will ignore any outside technologies as they ruin plotlines.

Metal Gears are most definately Pre-Futuristic, at least.

So the geral concencus is pre futeristic at least. But if he wants to use one in post modern, it'll bust his economy and he'll only have one or two?
And they will get destroyed pretty quickely.

Well, if he claims it to be invincable, or won't allow them to die through normal RP then you can probably claim to use a guy called "Solid Snake" who runs around with a Stinger Rocket and a infiltrates using a box with the word "Helipad" on it.

So the geral concencus is pre futeristic at least. But if he wants to use one in post modern, it'll bust his economy and he'll only have one or two?
And they will get destroyed pretty quickely.Yup. He can have them. But that pretty much all he'd have. The rest of his armed forces would consist mostly of men with sharp sticks and angry faces.

Thank you all for your help. It IS nice to get some good feed back from the more seriouse RPers in this game.

Rest assured all your material will be shown to the offender, in hich case I susspect he will have a heart attack or a prolonged sulk.

Once again, thank you.

I sell them:

City of Freedom is taking a step into the future. We hope to lead the charge to the new order with this vehicle. This fighting machine will lead the way in combat, on land and sea, and bring terror to the enemy. We will lead the charge into the new world order, with ray!

Ray Bi-Pedal Fighting Vehicle

http://hometown.aol.com/rainbowbirdhouou/images/graceray.gif

Attributes

Ray has a unique armament. Its primary weapons are two eight shot Missile launchers, two revolver reloaders. Each reloads after each fire, and fired Cruise Missile several thousand feet up before it attacks it's target.

Secondary weapons are thirty two Maverick Ninth Generation missiles. They are all fired by a onboard computer. Another weapon is two 30mm GAU-23 cannons, with almost twice the volocity of the GAU-8. Each has 4,000 rounds of ammo. Finally, there are 6 cluster bomb launchers for short range fitted on its back.


Its armor is top quality. Only large weapons such as 155mm Electro Thermal Chemical Cannons could do damage to it, and even then the rounds must be SABOT. The armor is very thin yet incredibly strong, and nano machined.


Aside from having armor made of ceramic-titanium alloy, RAY could 'heal' itself. The armor had a response system which reacted to damaged areas. Electronic signals to 'injured' areas could be redirected to backup circuits and malfunctioning sections could be shut down altogether. Punctures in RAY's armored body were be temporarily sealed by a nanopaste released from valves near the damaged area. Thus, it almost seemed like Ray is bleeding.
The color of the nanopaste is a dark brownish-red.


RAY had an onboard Joint Tactical Information Distribution System, which was it’s homing system. It also allowed other Rays to fight and work together.


Despite Ray‘s massive size and weight, it was by far the most agile of models. Ray also was equipped with artificial muscle tissue made of macromolecular fiber. The muscle tissue, which resembled that of humans, enabled swift, nimble movements, giving it a graceful look in action.


Probably RAY's greatest advantage was the fact it was amphibious, enabling it to move secretly through the sea. Its underwater capability greatly increased its operational range over previous Metal Gears. RAY could change positions at will by sneaking ashore and then firing at any surface target. This means it is very versatile.


The motive of creating Ray was solely for counter-missile strikes, and most importantly, an anti-Mech. You can say Ray was designed for defensive motives rather than an all out offensive strike like the previous Mechs. This is why Ray is outfitted with nanopaste in addition to armor. Ray’s job was to “render all Mechs obsolete” in other words, Ray was designed to destroy any kind of Mech model.


It is a one man crew best, and the cockpit is state of the art. The control system is much like flying a jet, with simplified controls etc. It is a state of the art vehcile, and is here for you today.

Cost: $250,000,000

http://www.spawntoys.com/Metalgear/mgs2_metal_gear_ray.jpg

http://metalgearsolid2uk.entertainment-iuk.com/conceptual_boss01.gif

As a puppet. But I woudl put it in near future tech :)

Urghh... Mechs... I still think a bunch of well equipment infantry could take one of these things down.

Meanwhile I would of thought all things in the "Nanotech" area to be more then just "Near Future Tech" if they are going to be any good.

Urghh... Mechs... I still think a bunch of well equipment infantry could take one of these things down.

Accurate anti-tank missiles to vital spots should be more than sufficient, joints would be very vulnerable to attack.

That said, the psychological effect of seeing one of those coming towards you would be... bad for morale.

The Skyline has a working robot/cyber war section of the army. It is sort of like SkyNet (terminator 3). We have a full fleet of unmanned robot ground troops. (5800 @ $2,500,000 each), 3 working prototypes of flying units, a prototype of a water unit, and a robotic space station. We also have anti virus software so we dont get any of the stuff in T3.

If any one has any questions or would like to order some units please dont hesitate to send a telegram to me.

We also have anti virus software so we dont get any of the stuff in T3.

<ooc>

"Ah hah, I shall conquer the world!"
"Blaster virus!"
"Argh!"

:wink:

If mechs were too become at all useful it would be as fairly small units (think the battelsiuts from the animatrix, btech elementals or 40k crisis armor/dreadnoughts).
Big stompy bits like battlemechs or your random japanese super mecha are never going to be that useful as they would be just far far too expensive to of any use compared to a conventional units and are hideously vunerable to rogue jedis, engineers or orks running around cutting off important bits inside.

Not to say they aren't cool or anything but not really that useful

Oh and if your M8 insists theya re modern because the game says so, just claim that because John Ringo's polseen war novels are set now you can have Sheeva guns and battle armor that survives being at ground zero of a big nuke...

I would focus on battlesuits, you know, single person suits about human size, think Starcraft with the Terran marines and Firebats.
Its qutie possible today, it would be horribly expensive and quite heavy, but possible.

I would say it is late post-modern and requires that the nation have Arms Manufacturing and/or Information Technology as one of its top three industries.

Mechs would definitely be future-tech, but they'd be useless in any time period. You wouldn't even have to aim for the joints to destroy one.

I would like all concerned parties to check out the "Metal Gear REX Time Period" forum and discuse the issue further.

The forum is Metal Gear REX Time Period (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52742)