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ViZion and Dr_Twist are holding a meeting with allied forces on a possible invasion into ESF, and what to do.

This is for those nations who are allied with ViZion and/or Dr_Twist, or may enter this possible war AGAINST (not with) ESF.

Dr_Twist has the backing of Credonia (his ally)

This is an Offcial Call up of

The Allied Socialist Defence Union
GAPTS
CFA
and Possible RBA if Russian Forces wishs to get involved.

So far this thread is for discussion of a Possible invasion.

...So far this thread is for discussion of a Possible invasion.
(AKA reasons to invade, or not to invade, etc...)

Dr_Twist has the backing of Credonia (his ally)

Thank you :D

And thanks to Every one else who will possible help us in this Situation.

I'll fight with you.

IC:
Speaking in the defence of the Generals that commited the occupation of a select few of countys in Texas is Krona Vista.
"It would be an out right tradegy and stike against democracy to invide the RESF because of the occupation of a few countys for colonzation. Evan as we withdrew mostof our military from the conflict area , they continued to threaten us with war over terriotory not of thier control. Others had given up and others hadnt and yet these corrupt ditactorships continued in their move towards our nation and not others. Now does this seem like war or racial discrimation against elves? At this I will take a short leave."

So, to answer everyones question: Why should we invade?

IC:
Speaking in the defence of the Generals that commited the occupation of a select few of countys in Texas is Krona Vista.
"It would be an out right tradegy and stike against democracy to invide the RESF because of the occupation of a few countys for colonzation. Evan as we withdrew mostof our military from the conflict area , they continued to threaten us with war over terriotory not of thier control. Others had given up and others hadnt and yet these corrupt ditactorships continued in their move towards our nation and not others. Now does this seem like war or racial discrimation against elves? At this I will take a short leave."

1. You Violated international Law by invading another country.

2. My nation is Democratic based on the westminster system

3. You are trying to buy allies by using racial discrimation, this is discusting, being elves has nothing to do with this, you violated international law.

IC:
Speaking in the defence of the Generals that commited the occupation of a select few of countys in Texas is Krona Vista.
"It would be an out right tradegy and stike against democracy to invide the RESF because of the occupation of a few countys for colonzation. Evan as we withdrew mostof our military from the conflict area , they continued to threaten us with war over terriotory not of thier control. Others had given up and others hadnt and yet these corrupt ditactorships continued in their move towards our nation and not others. Now does this seem like war or racial discrimation against elves? At this I will take a short leave."

IC: In a statement from Chiefy, Head of State of ViZion, he says to the Generals of RESF, "I should let you know that we have many elves, and other races in ViZion, not just humans. We are also a Constitutional Federal Republic, which is simular to democracy." (OOC: It is what the US use to be like... what it was suppose to be, not what it is today..) "We are not fighting against your people or your 'democracy' as you put it. Oh, and I find it kind of funny that you call your self a democracy, but you have 'no government' and are ruled by your military."

ESF allways uses his/her/their Racial card to attempt to buy allies and get defence from other nations during all conflicts well this time you will not be using such a meathod.

IC:
1)We arent run by the military unless we are in a time of reelction ( like right now ) .
2) Noone had claim to Texas, so how was I invading another country?
3) Its a fact that 2 nations of humans surrendered and yet you did not pursue to invide them. So how is this not discrimination?

ESF allways uses his/her/their Racial card to attempt to buy allies and get defence from other nations during all conflicts well this time you will not be using such a meathod.

I would like to note that ViZion is very good at dealing with this kind of thing, as we have delt with many a nation who uses those excuses and simular ones, the latest being Egypstan and their allies.

IC:
1)We arent run by the military unless we are in a time of reelction ( like right now ) .
2) Noone had claim to Texas, so how was I invading another country?
3) Its a fact that 2 nations of humans surrendered and yet you did not pursue to invide them. So how is this not discrimination?

They will be targeted as well.....

Wait a minute, so this nation has previously surrendered, yet you guys are going for a land grab...

Please, tell me this isn't so, tell me you guys are going to try and work this out like civilised men...

IC:
1)We arent run by the military unless we are in a time of reelction ( like right now ) .
2) Noone had claim to Texas, so how was I invading another country?
3) Its a fact that 2 nations of humans surrendered and yet you did not pursue to invide them. So how is this not discrimination?

They will be targeted as well.....
There are many nations that will be targetted in the near future by allied forces for committing war crimes, rather it be warmongering, genocide (on your own people, or civilians of other nations in war or peace), terrorist supporters (and committers), etc.

Wait a minute, so this nation has previously surrendered, yet you guys are going for a land grab...

Please, tell me this isn't so, tell me you guys are going to try and work this out like civilised men...

we arn't going for a land grab..... go read the thread and you will understand

The main reason for invasion is he broke international Law by invading another country which belongs to an allie. I think i am missing somthing here as well....

But these are only reasons that have been brang up a discussion is being made 1st before anything happens.

IC:
1)We arent run by the military unless we are in a time of reelction ( like right now ) .
2) Noone had claim to Texas, so how was I invading another country?
3) Its a fact that 2 nations of humans surrendered and yet you did not pursue to invide them. So how is this not discrimination?

They will be targeted as well.....
There are many nations that will be targetted in the near future by allied forces for committing war crimes, rather it be warmongering, genocide (on your own people, or civilians of other nations in war or peace), terrorist supporters (and committers), etc.

I second that, and let it be made known that Credonia will be one of the driving forces of that campaign

Wait a minute, so this nation has previously surrendered, yet you guys are going for a land grab...

Please, tell me this isn't so, tell me you guys are going to try and work this out like civilised men...
Note my post I made below:

"So, to answer everyones question: Why should we invade?"
Would anyone like to answer that? (I have not pledged my troops yet... nor has war even been declared... it is merely a meeting on what to do, why, etc)

IC:
This is correct. I gave up and yet they continued towards my nation with thier forces. I am appalled that anyone would go to thier side unless they owe them a favor but evan then it is morraly wrong. Once our reelction is done I'm sure our leader will take a very strong stand in this situation.

IC:
This is correct. I gave up and yet they continued towards my nation with thier forces. I am appalled that anyone would go to thier side unless they owe them a favor but evan then it is morraly wrong. Once our reelction is done I'm sure our leader will take a very strong stand in this situation.
We do not contiue towards you nation we are having a meeting between allies to discuss it, and IF an invasion should be launched and why.

Also Texas was claimed but you claim it wasn't!

IC:
This is correct. I gave up and yet they continued towards my nation with thier forces. I am appalled that anyone would go to thier side unless they owe them a favor but evan then it is morraly wrong. Once our reelction is done I'm sure our leader will take a very strong stand in this situation.

This meeting is between Allies of

ASDU
GAPTS
CFA
RBA

You have no right being here and arn't allowed to post in this thread move on or create your own thread.

IC:
It was claimed after me and others had already made our occupaction. And yes Pratora ( or w/e his name is ) continued towards my nation with his fleet(s)!

Credonia invites all sides of this conflict to Credonia to discuss this matter to find a peaceful solution to this problem.

We arn't going for a land grab..... go read the thread and you will understand

The main reason for invasion is he broke international Law by invading another country which belongs to an allie. I think i am missing somthing here as well....

But these are only reasons that have been brang up a discussion is being made 1st before anything happens.

OOC: Don't worry about it, I wouldn't act without reading up on it first... however, lets just say I'm being intentfully lazy and simple about this... politically I'm a simple nation that's big enough to be an ass without death threats to our nation.

IC:
It was claimed after me and others had already made our occupaction. And yes Pratora ( or w/e his name is ) continued towards my nation with his fleet(s)!

He had allready claimed it way before you did, he just moved in to inforce his rights to that nation.

Now out of this thread, you arn't allowed in here.

This is a meeting to discuss a POSSIBLE INVASION of ESF.

ESF Violated International Law by invading another Country.

This Reason in itself has created wars through out the RL world for many years why should it change....

Other Possible reasons for invasion any 1?

OOC: I know I'm not allowed to post here, but I'll be brief because I'm lazy and saying it on the other thread would make less sense.

Wait a minute... does DT mean Dark Terror? The nation Iuthia would never support on the grounds we really just don't like them? If that was the case I doubt we could even morally support them...

OOC: I know I'm not allowed to post here, but I'll be brief because I'm lazy and saying it on the other thread would make less sense.

Wait a minute... does DT mean Dark Terror? The nation Iuthia would never support on the grounds we really just don't like them? If that was the case I doubt we could even morally support them...

DT is me :roll:

I have been around a lot longer then him, we do have relations with him but arn't strong relations mainly throw RF

OOC: I know I'm not allowed to post here, but I'll be brief because I'm lazy and saying it on the other thread would make less sense.

Wait a minute... does DT mean Dark Terror? The nation Iuthia would never support on the grounds we really just don't like them? If that was the case I doubt we could even morally support them...

I think you should be allowed to post i think i have some form of alliance with you from somwhere but where?

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to all concerned as a Socialist goverment the people and farmers of Not quite Belfast support whatever actions the Alliance takes against the ESF. Further more our support will be one military in nature depending on the makeup of the Assualt force. The NqB Spec ops forces updated with the new SADach class sniper rifles are ready to make war upon the ESF at the request of it's Socialist Brethren

I do? Wow... and to think, I've been leering down on you OOC for your very Russian Forces-like ideas of logistics... you know, the idea that if you have enough money you can ignore all logistical issues.

I can't think how I'm linked... I've done alot of things (mainly bitching OOC) but I can't think about how I've helped you in the past...

I don't know... generally I help providing the cause is right... so I suppose I'm going to be everyones friend at one point or another.

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to all concerned as a Socialist goverment the people and farmers of Not quite Belfast support whatever actions the Alliance takes against the ESF. Further more our support will be one military in nature depending on the makeup of the Assualt force. The NqB Spec ops forces updated with the new SADach class sniper rifles are ready to make war upon the ESF at the request of it's Socialist Brethren

Thank you we hope more allies slowly start showing there face.

DT is me :roll:

I have been around a lot longer then him, we do have relations with him but arn't strong relations mainly throw RF

Sorry... once again I have misread the title of the thread... plus I thought it meant "ESF (and his allies DT)" not the other way around.

I'm just used to saying DT as "Dark Terror"... :oops:

DT is me :roll:

I have been around a lot longer then him, we do have relations with him but arn't strong relations mainly throw RF

Sorry... once again I have misread the title of the thread... plus I thought it meant "ESF (and his allies DT)" not the other way around.

I'm just used to saying DT as "Dark Terror"... :oops:
DW i got it edited, :D and thanks all the same.

Due to claims that we have made threats of genocide against ESF, I will state again (last time, I stated in the last ESF-related thread) that even if ViZion commits forces against ESF, we will not tolerate genocide. ViZion will launch an attack on any nation who commits genocide, even if they are an allied nation.

Exactly what did ESF do?

This is the thread of Concern

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125000

We also have the backing of Pantera a nation with 2.3 Billion + pop.

Exactly what did ESF do?

Violating Nations rights, He isn't the only Country being Targeted the other nations involved are also being targeted to find reason for invasion and discuss possible reason before invasion.

Bump....

The Peoples Socialist Defense Forces, both Defense Army, Defense Air Force, and Defense Navy, are getting well-deserved rest and leave from months and months of International Patrols and Such, I would say atleast that the Defenders of Nodea Rudav and its People shall stay as such, for we have no enemies wanting to invade us, have no reason to bring back these Men and Women, Komodren Male and Females really, that are happily engaging in Off-Time duties, weather that be with Family, Friends, or what-not.

We shall tend to this issue as another Allied Socialist Defense Union proposal to the Peoples Socialist Coucil. Whatever the Represenitives of The People recieve from The People, that Decision shall tell if either we will sit back and enjoy more of peace, or help allies in an invasion.

Currently our efforts are dreamed into our Space Operations, and such, in a way that The People and The Defenders of The People are very intrested at the fact of a Modern-Tech Nation such as Nodea Rudav being able to stabilize a Marine Base Colony on Triton, which is the only base we can make because of our......age. We have two Space Ships, or Star Ships, of Modern-Tech Experimental Grade, and have kept within these bounds for long. As we shall ever do so to continue our Reputation as a Nation for The People in Every Way.

We shall decide if this little event can be adhered to, and shall decide if we, the USSNR, shall enter yet another War Phase again. We shall decide, in the end, if we shall participate. But I say, if The People decide Not, Be Not Angry, for our Armed Forces are still at a Low-Level of Operational Status, and with that Operational Status can we use in Helping. The Majority of the Armed Forces that decides to take this Leave, which when they do they cannot be called back because of resting periods, can not be involved.

If we do get involved, it will be with what Forces are Active, and we will do our best with our best.

Thank You,
Chief Socialist President Thomas Alexandri Ha'Goth
Komodren Name/Real Name: Kata'Re
Leader of the United Socialist States of Nodea Rudav

Though the Lord Reaver does not need to explain his actions to anyone, he will play along here.

Rough timeline:

ESF invades Texas, along with a coalition of other cowards.

Texas, being a fine and noble place, is approved of by Pantera and the Lord Reaver.

Pantera and Dr_Twist vow to liberate those parts of Texas who are being invaded.

Much sniveling and cowering is done by ESF and a nation whose name escapes me at the moment.

Pantera and Dr_Twist offer very generous terms, which are spat upon by ESP, insulting the Lord Reaver grievously.

Pantera begins preperations to subdue ESF by force of arms.

ESF again denies Pantera's generous terms.

And that is what happened.

Pantera has vowed to punish the ruling body of ESF, and its people for allowing such atrocities to be carried out in their name.

I would advise those parties with no stake in this to remain aloof, for we mean to have vengeance for those killed and disposessed in Texas.

Bastien the Bronze
Lord Reaver of Pantera
Drag the Waters of War

Bump

Allow credonia to handle negotiations. It seems i am the only partyt that does not have a hot head about this. You simply CANNOT attain peace through name calling, threats and that other nonsense.

Credonia stands a better chance of negotiating with ESF than the rest of you do. At one point i actually ALMOST made a breakthrough until Pantera came in there with his threats, screwing everything up. DIPLOMACY TAKES TIME. Dont be so ready to rush to war if you are truly comitted to peace otherwise you will be labeled as a warmongerer and will loose respect yourself.

The Therapon Protarchon of the Commonwealth of the Logarchy wishes to express his disapproval of the actions and statements of all those involved in this conflict. Elves Security Forces behaved inappropriately by invading Texas. Given that Pantera has not deigned to post the so-called "reasonable" terms he claims that his nation offered to ESF, the Therapon Protarchon is inclined to believe at present that the terms offered were not particularly reasonable at all. Similarly, the nation of Pantera is behaving inappropriately and moreover irrationally by threatening genocide against the nation of Elves Security Forces. A reasoned response to remove the current government of Elves Security Forces is well within Pantera's rights; outright genocide, however, is not. The Therapon Protarchon expresses the sentiments of all of the Aristoi when he points out that no circumstance justifies genocide, at any time, for any reason.

Dr_Twist and ViZion would do well to officially and materially cut off military ties with the currently rogue nation of Pantera, as by their current acceptance of Pantera's support they have rendered themselves complicit in the genocide to come. The Therapon Protarchon would also like to say that should Pantera continue to engage in aggression with intent to commit genocide, the previously mentioned nations would, by the justification used to protect the people of Texas, be morally obligated to defend the people of Elves Security Forces.

May reason and enlightenment wash over you all.

-Aaron Potts, Therapon Protarchon of the Commonwealth of the Logarchy.

The Therapon Protarchon of the Commonwealth of the Logarchy wishes to express his disapproval of the actions and statements of all those involved in this conflict. Elves Security Forces behaved inappropriately by invading Texas. Given that Pantera has not deigned to post the so-called "reasonable" terms he claims that his nation offered to ESF, the Therapon Protarchon is inclined to believe at present that the terms offered were not particularly reasonable at all. Similarly, the nation of Pantera is behaving inappropriately and moreover irrationally by threatening genocide against the nation of Elves Security Forces. A reasoned response to remove the current government of Elves Security Forces is well within Pantera's rights; outright genocide, however, is not. The Therapon Protarchon expresses the sentiments of all of the Aristoi when he points out that no circumstance justifies genocide, at any time, for any reason.

Dr_Twist and ViZion would do well to officially and materially cut off military ties with the currently rogue nation of Pantera, as by their current acceptance of Pantera's support they have rendered themselves complicit in the genocide to come. The Therapon Protarchon would also like to say that should Pantera continue to engage in aggression with intent to commit genocide, the previously mentioned nations would, by the justification used to protect the people of Texas, be morally obligated to defend the people of Elves Security Forces.

May reason and enlightenment wash over you all.

-[i]Aaron Potts, Therapon Protarchon of the Commonwealth of the Logarchy.
Oh my god where have you been. Your reasoning makes so much sence. Yet i fear that Pantera , being a corrupt government with no abides for reasonabilty, will not see the light here and it shall all be in vain. Yet you have given hope to the RESF populace that thier still might be a diplomatic solution.

Pantera's terms. Due to the attitude of ESF these are no longer negotiable.

Withdraw fully from Texas
Your military will lay down their weapons and surrender themselves to Reaver and Twist forces.
Your government will surrender to a joint regency, presided over by representatives from both the Panteran and Dr_Twist governments.
The coward leader of your nation will submit and surrender himself to the Regency to stand trial as a war criminal.
Reperations in the form of 6 Trillion of your currency will be paid to the government of the now United Texas.
An additional 1 trillion of your currency will be paid to both the Panteran and Twist governments, for our goodwill and appeasement.

me and my dwarven fleet will fight to the end
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Pantera's terms. Due to the attitude of ESF these are no longer negotiable.

Withdraw fully from Texas
Your military will lay down their weapons and surrender themselves to Reaver and Twist forces.
Your government will surrender to a joint regency, presided over by representatives from both the Panteran and Dr_Twist governments.
The coward leader of your nation will submit and surrender himself to the Regency to stand trial as a war criminal.
Reperations in the form of 6 Trillion of your currency will be paid to the government of the now United Texas.
An additional 1 trillion of your currency will be paid to both the Panteran and Twist governments, for our goodwill and appeasement.

Are these the original terms or new terms you are just now extending?

EDIT: For that matter, the reparations figures quoted are insanely high- no conflict ever known has seen reparations figures that excessive.

OOC: Even Germany's reparations after WWI were at least a factor of a hundred lower. The others read like a slightly modified form of the terms the Bush administration offered Saddam Hussein, but the reparations figures... sheesh. Combined, that's more than the national debt of the United States.

I must protest, those terms are too exploitational. Money should not be paid for appeasement as they have done nothing to the involved parties, and such lofty reparations are just horendus. Pantera, your taking it too far. back down and let the real negotiators do the talking because clearly, you are not dedicated to peace.

OCC: Dont you love warmungering idiots who are just looking for ways to take over other peoples lands?

I must protest, those terms are too exploitational. Money should not be paid for appeasement as they have done nothing to the involved parties, and such lofty reparations are just horendus. Pantera, your taking it too far. back down and let the real negotiators do the talking because clearly, you are not dedicated to peace.

While you on the other hand are dedicated to allowing these cowards the means to continue flaunting their supposed power, and possible invading yet another peaceful nation.

They have called down the fire. I will have my terms, or I will have vengeance. Either way, your opinion means little to me and I quickly tire of listening to your whining.

I have no wish for any blood to be spilled that doesn't need to be, but trust in the fact that should you stand between my Reavers and their vengeance, we will wade hip deep through crimson rivers to destroy our foes. That is my vow, and I pray you will not test my resolve in this matter. These cowards will pay for their transgressions.

Bastien the Bronze
Lord Reaver of Pantera
Drag the Waters of War

I must protest, those terms are too exploitational. Money should not be paid for appeasement as they have done nothing to the involved parties, and such lofty reparations are just horendus. Pantera, your taking it too far. back down and let the real negotiators do the talking because clearly, you are not dedicated to peace.

well said

OCC: Dont you love warmungering idiots who are just looking for ways to take over other peoples lands?

OOC: Like yourself? Really, much as I think Pantera's going waaaaayyyy too far, you sort of sealed your country's fate as an independent nation when you didn't withdraw. A rational person would realize that a heavily militarized nation with well over a billion in population can make mincemeat of a nation of approximately your size just by stretching.

OCC:Mwa? I am anything but warmungering. I played a bluff once, and then I slowly but surely moved my forces out of there or used a special poison to put them into a unreversable coma.

OCC:Mwa? I am anything but warmungering. I played a bluff once, and then I slowly but surely moved my forces out of there or used a special poison to put them into a unreversable coma.

OOC: Indeed. And what happened then? I called your bluff. You refused to fold, so now I take the pot.

I must protest, those terms are too exploitational. Money should not be paid for appeasement as they have done nothing to the involved parties, and such lofty reparations are just horendus. Pantera, your taking it too far. back down and let the real negotiators do the talking because clearly, you are not dedicated to peace.

While you on the other hand are dedicated to allowing these cowards the means to continue flaunting their supposed power, and possible invading yet another peaceful nation.

They have called down the fire. I will have my terms, or I will have vengeance. Either way, your opinion means little to me and I quickly tire of listening to your whining.

I have no wish for any blood to be spilled that doesn't need to be, but trust in the fact that should you stand between my Reavers and their vengeance, we will wade hip deep through crimson rivers to destroy our foes. That is my vow, and I pray you will not test my resolve in this matter. These cowards will pay for their transgressions.

Bastien the Bronze
Lord Reaver of Pantera
Drag the Waters of War

I am not letting anyone do anything. The mere fact is that your terms and your stubbornness are NOT ALLOWING THEM A CHANCE TO SURRENDER. Now just because you are a 1-2 billion population nation doesnt give you the right to do as you please, nor will I allow you to do so. What you are doing is not in the name of peace. It is merely to satisfy your thirst for war and bloodshed, and the bad thing is, you are too stubborn to accept the truth.

What i am doing is simply being the middle man. Not leaning on either side, HOWEVER, your actions are way out of line. Hell even your allies are threatening to attack you. That should send a clear signal to you to just bite your f***in tongue and let us deal with this.

I am not letting anyone do anything. The mere fact is that your terms and your stubbornness are NOT ALLOWING THEM A CHANCE TO SURRENDER. Now just because you are a 1-2 billion population nation doesnt give you the right to do as you please, nor will I allow you to do so. What you are doing is not in the name of peace. It is merely to satisfy your thirst for war and bloodshed, and the bad thing is, you are too stubborn to accept the truth.

What i am doing is simply being the middle man. Not leaning on either side, HOWEVER, your actions are way out of line. Hell even your allies are threatening to attack you. That should send a clear signal to you to just bite your f***in tongue and let us deal with this.

The words of cowards spewing from the mouths of those we once thought honorable. A shame.

Their chance to surrender is at hand, now that you mention it.

Pantera's new terms:

Surrender. Unconditional and final. The ruling body of ESF will submit to Panteran forces for trial in a Panteran court. My vow of vengeance will still be appeased, though I offer my Word that, on my honor, no innocents shall be harmed. The nation of ESF will remain under Panteran regency until I, the Lord Reaver, see fit to release them. Know that all territories under the rule of Pantera have seen nothing but growth and progress, and ESF will be no different, should they choose to submit now, without reservation, they will be welcomed into the Free Lands of Pantera until they have shown themselves fit to rule their own nation.

That is as good as it's going to get. I'll once again remind all involved that my patience wears thin.

IC:
The PEOPLE do not wish to be ruled by an outside body of which threatened to kill them all just a few hours ago. I already gave you a list ealier of the temporary ruling body of the RESF till elections are complete.
The people demand the right to be free because if you arent free then you are not truly alive!

Oh now aint this rich. I should have known you were an imperialist

IC:
The PEOPLE do not wish to be ruled by an outside body of which threatened to kill them all just a few hours ago. I already gave you a list ealier of the temporary ruling body of the RESF till elections are complete.
The people demand the right to be free because if you arent free then you are not truly alive!

Your people have shown themselves unfit to rule their own nation. The way I see it you have two choices, peace and prosperity under a few years of Panteran regency, at the end of which time your nation will be allowed to democratically elect its own government, or a hail of blood and fire at the hands of my Reavers.

I have given my word that vengeance will be met, and it shall. How it is met is up to you, but I would choose quickly, and wisely.

HOW DARE YOU DECLARE YOURSELF A NATION FOR AND BY THE PEOPLE! ESF, I shall spit on thee! I am a Socialist Democracy, a TRUE Democracy, and My Nation Has A Government that is RULED and LEAD By Its People That Shed Its Blood To Make This Nation! DO NOT CALL YOURSELF SUCH BY INVADING A LAND THAT HAS NO ABILITY OF TELLING YOU ITS WISHES!

Do not push me, ESF, for The People will be angry, and The Defenders of The People will gladly allow your Military to be Eaten Alive as we expose our Komodren Forms to them. We shall prevail either way, Imperialistic Scum.

Oh now aint this rich. I should have known you were an imperialist

*laughter*

Far from it. My Reavers hold even I in check. We do not desire dominion over ESF, only regency until they have shown themselves fit to rule themselves. If I wished this nation for my own, with support for this war soaring in Pantera, I could have it, trust in that. And neither Credonia, ESF, or the Three Gods themselves could prevent it.

However, if I decided to go on a conquering spree I would quickly find myself lacking a nation to rule. My Reavers do not take kindly to imperialistic nations, as this war is proof of. We are content with Pantera, and punishing those who would usurp the powers of peaceful nations.

We desire on vengeance, and the reckoning, nothing more.

Bastien the Bronze
Lord Reaver of Pantera
Drag the Waters of War

After a Long Government meeting into the Night with Government Official’s Dr_Twist Armed Forces Officials and the Tsar himself, it has been determined that it is no longer in any way in the nations of Allies Interest to pursue a case with Elves Security Forces. But we do warn him and hope he learns from this case.

sorry to say, im with D.T. on this one