NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, since we've got a lot of forces gathering inside and outside of the Mediterranean, I think an OOC thread is necessary to keep track of them all. Post numbers here, and proof where necessary.

7 Nimitz class carriers
25 Iowa class battleships
40 Oliver Hazard Perry frigates
30 Ticonderoga cruisers
40 Arleigh Burke class destroyers
10 Seawolf submarines

They're there because I sent them outside of Spain, so thats my proof.

The Dr_Twist Government has order the Mobilization of Dr_Twist Fleets to the Mediterranean ( We spend 40% of our GDP on our Navy )

The Pacific Fleet has been sent home to Dr_Twist

The Atlantic Fleet has been sent to meet up with the Mediterranean fleet in the Mediterranean.

36 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers
33 Missouri Class Battleships
136 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
93 DD-21 Class Destroyers
42 Seawolf class Attack Submarine
31 AEGIS Missile Ships
58 Type 23 “Duke” frigates
26 Cargo Ships (supplies Brought from the Bulgarian Empire Which the Fleet is off the coast from The Rest of the cargo ships are in port)

OCC: I still think I am missing ships?

The Dr_Twist Government has order the Mobilization of Dr_Twist Fleets to the Mediterranean ( We spend 40% of our GDP on our Navy )

The Pacific Fleet has been sent home to Dr_Twist

The Atlantic Fleet has been sent to meet up with the Mediterranean fleet in the Mediterranean.

36 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers
47 Missouri Class Battleships
136 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
93 DD-21 Class Destroyers
42 Seawolf class Attack Submarine

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Seriously, let's not godmod. :roll:

Seriously, let's not godmod. :roll:

OOC: Aww... come on, we all know that huge nations put 40% of all their GDP into one part of their military, even though it would completely bankrupt their nation, meaning no money or military...

Most nations use thier budget (not GDP) to fund their military, and 15% of your budget for the entire military is concidered too much by most.

But don't worry... it's a huge nation, with enough money they can fund anything... :roll:

Hey, don't worry about Dr. Twist's forces...they can't harm you very much at all. Without a single support ship, his war ships aren't much good except to float around without fuel and fire pressurized air instead of the munitions that they've run out of.

:roll:

Hey, don't worry about Dr. Twist's forces...they can't harm you very much at all. Without a single support ship, his war ships aren't much good except to float around without fuel and fire pressurized air instead of the munitions that they've run out of.

:roll:

Well, I didnt include my support ships in the numbers I posted either. That's not to say they're not there, it just doesnt include non-coms. The problem is with him claiming a fleet that would be too big to be his entire navy, backed up by a claim that he's bankrupting his nation to fund it. Simply put, he's ignored if he doesnt make it a LOT more reasonable.

I was actually referring to 40% of my Military Budget that was a miss print, 36 is a respectable number, the USA has 10 Nimitz Aircraft carriers, and i am getting called a GODMOD for that? i can easily supply them because they are off the coast of my Bulgarian Empire, come on :roll: The forces I have stated are only about 4 times bigger then the total US navy but I am 10 Times bigger then the USA… how does this add up to GODMODDING?

I had no ideas of a nearby Dr Twist[ian?] stronghold...my apologies.


However you will definitely want to revise your fleet numbers, no offense but I could completely ravage that convoy. You need to add patrol ships, AEGIS ships, ASW frigates, and other various ships if you want to be able to hold your own. Just some friendly advice.

I had no ideas of a nearby Dr Twist[ian?] stronghold...my apologies.


However you will definitely want to revise your fleet numbers, no offense but I could completely ravage that convoy. You need to add patrol ships, AEGIS ships, ASW frigates, and other various ships if you want to be able to hold your own. Just some friendly advice.

I only mentioned the primary ships.... i think it will be good to revise it though to add those smaller ships...

I had no ideas of a nearby Dr Twist[ian?] stronghold...my apologies.


However you will definitely want to revise your fleet numbers, no offense but I could completely ravage that convoy. You need to add patrol ships, AEGIS ships, ASW frigates, and other various ships if you want to be able to hold your own. Just some friendly advice.

I only mentioned the primary ships.... i think it will be good to revise it though to add those smaller ships...

Seriously, let's not godmod. :roll:

OOC: You're one to speak. :roll:

25 Iowa class battleships ? AMF only has 17 battleships, and even that's pushing it. Tone it down or get the ignore cannon.

As for Twist...well...he's Twist. :lol:

OOC-
2 New Empire Class Supercarriers
12 Cunningham Class Stealth Destroyers
14 Honor Class Frigates
6 Valor Class Cruisers
2 Imitora Class Arsenal Ships
12 Pinto Class Supply Ships

5 Kraken Class subs will be en route, I haven't posted those yet. They're still in the South Atlantic

2 HeliCarriers
2 Cunningham
2 Honor
1 Valor
4 Assault Ships
2 Supply ships
Gathering in the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean.

The forces I have stated are only about 4 times bigger then the total US navy but I am 10 Times bigger then the USA… how does this add up to GODMODDING?

OOC: I thought you may have made a mistake over the budget thing, but it needed to be said, because your other mobilisations in other threads seem to be excessive.

As for the forces themselves, they are possible... though I have never understood why people feel the need to have so many damn battleships... it's not a GODMOD but I only have 7 battleships in my navy, we concider them obsolete and instead prefer to use them as the occasional flag ship...

However, it does seem like you have mobilised half your navy here at the very least...

The forces I have stated are only about 4 times bigger then the total US navy but I am 10 Times bigger then the USA… how does this add up to GODMODDING?

OOC: I thought you may have made a mistake over the budget thing, but it needed to be said, because your other mobilisations in other threads seem to be excessive.

As for the forces themselves, they are possible... though I have never understood why people feel the need to have so many damn battleships... it's not a GODMOD but I only have 7 battleships in my navy, we concider them obsolete and instead prefer to use them as the occasional flag ship...

However, it does seem like you have mobilised half your navy here at the very least...

We only use the Battleship in our Atlantic Fleet because of where it is stationed and what it normally has to do they are needed. They make up a good chunk of my Atlantic fleet.

All these forces are being Deployed into my Nations which has a History of Heavy Military Activity thanks to European Wars and other wars such as this.

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Seriously, let's not godmod. :roll:

OOC: You're one to speak. :roll:

25 Iowa class battleships ? AMF only has 17 battleships, and even that's pushing it. Tone it down or get the ignore cannon.

As for Twist...well...he's Twist. :lol:

Battleships have much lower operating costs than carriers, and I prefer them as my mainstay due to their abilities in ship to ship and shore bombardment. And you're really about the last person I'd expect to hear talk about godmodding, with your double digit millions of "clones". Little hint, even if thats the case you still have to pay for guns, clothing, other equipment, and food.

two fleets each fleet has:
4 Intrepid Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger Missile ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 Tracker ASW ships
20 Iowa Battleships
30 Ticonderoga cruisers
40 Perry Frigates
60 Burke Destroyers
5 LA subs
5 Virginia subs


Also this is definatelly not a godmod I checked the upkeep costs on FAS.org and supporting 9 fleets of combat ships would cost me approx. 80 billion dollars. And with Belem devoting approx. 50% of its budget to the military it can easilly afford to support 9 combat fleets.

Seriously, let's not godmod. :roll:

OOC: You're one to speak. :roll:

25 Iowa class battleships ? AMF only has 17 battleships, and even that's pushing it. Tone it down or get the ignore cannon.

As for Twist...well...he's Twist. :lol:

Battleships have much lower operating costs than carriers, and I prefer them as my mainstay due to their abilities in ship to ship and shore bombardment. And you're really about the last person I'd expect to hear talk about godmodding, with your double digit millions of "clones". Little hint, even if thats the case you still have to pay for guns, clothing, other equipment, and food.

Agreed. I have 200 Battleships in my navy, and I can afford it. People seem to care how you make up your military, and mistake that for godmodding. Quiet Frankly, I think its up to you how you structure your armed forces, as long as you can afford what you own.

EDIT: Too many try to find a reason to call people a godmod, just top give themselves an advantage. I dont call people a godmod unless what they claim is rediculous. And why people think their numbers are the correct, and the only way to do things? I dont know...

Agreed. I have 200 Battleships in my navy, and I can afford it. People seem to care how you make up your military, and mistake that for godmodding. Quiet Frankly, I think its up to you how you structure your armed forces, as long as you can afford what you own.

Too many try to find a reason to call people a godmod, just top give themselves an advantage. I dont call people a godmod unless what they claim is rediculous. And why people think their numbers are the correct, and the only way to do things? I dont know...

OOC:Actually I avoid using the world GODMOD unless I know it's pretty damn impossible...

However, I do feel that alot of people have too many battleships in their navy... I'll admit they don't cost as much as a Carrier but they aren't as useful as the Carrier either, my understanding was that the military of today doesn't really use much use for the Battleship

So my questions are usually along the lines of "why do you need that many battleships?" I can't imagine why someone would want to have 200 of them... each to his own but I prefer Carrier Battle Groups...

Actually...what I find utterly absurd is that people seem to want to hurl vast forces on a WWII scale...like entire THEATRES of WWII scale--where a few ships or squadrons would do.
It isn't godmoddery but it is unrealistic; there's no consideration of the idea of how to coordinate such vast armadas.
But anyway, because of that, I find this rather uninteresting; I do hope however that the rest of you enjoy yourselves. Please pardon me if I do not take any further part.

Battleships have much lower operating costs than carriers, and I prefer them as my mainstay due to their abilities in ship to ship and shore bombardment. And you're really about the last person I'd expect to hear talk about godmodding, with your double digit millions of "clones". Little hint, even if thats the case you still have to pay for guns, clothing, other equipment, and food.

:sigh:

Once AGAIN I have to justify myself. :roll:

Alright, I've taken costs into perspective, I undertand that food, clothing, toothpaste, medical treatment, etc. cost money. But here's one thing you people always fail to take into account: While I may have millions of troops available (which is not uncommon for a nation near 2 billion like me) I only employ a few hundred thousand at one time. The rest are garrisons, matinence, intelligence, etc. Yes, i realize that non-active troops still cost money, but do I really have to explain to you that due to my vassal states (territory I annexed {IE: nations that were given to me and RP'd as annexation }), numerous allainces, Frightening economy, excessive military spending, and whatnot that I can afford all this. I know it's not the best reference, but use the GDP calculator and punch in 1% of my national budget for military defense. Pretty high number even at 1%.

You will never see me using millions of troops at one time, and even if I did, my logistics is good enough were I could probably scrape by.

Why is it that everybody goes after me for having high numbers of troops? Why don't I see you bitching at Melkor? He uses extremely high numbers in battle, but so what? Is it because he's "leet"? How come other "high profile" nations can get away with uber tech wank, millions of ground pounders, etc., but I get the shaft time and time again just because "OMFG LOLZ JOO H4V3 T3H S3NT1N3LZ!!!11 UR CL0N3 4RMY 1S T3H G0DM0D!!!1111".

I find it funny how you're whining about numbers that I don't even fuly employ when you're running around with dozens of battleships. Oh well, more targets I guess. :roll:

I would complain to Melkor about his troop numbers and such, but ive never rped with him and pretty much ignore all future/fantasy RPs.

If I rped against him in a war I would definately complain mostly about his "ability" to create new orcs out of nowhere if his country was ever completely destroyed

I would complain to Melkor about his troop numbers and such, but ive never rped with him and pretty much ignore all future/fantasy RPs.

If I rped against him in a war I would definately complain mostly about his "ability" to create new orcs out of nowhere if his country was ever completely destroyed

(Don't take this comment as disrespect)

And I would complain about your ability to launch thousands of ballsitic missiles at one time.

My point is this (I'm not ragging on you): we all do things that some view as questionable. Melkor can pull orcs out of thin air, yes? But orcs are weak, so it evens out. I have cloned soldiers that spend their whole youth in training, but I keep their production rates at the same level that human enlistment normally is, so it evens out. You launch thousands of missiles at one time, but you don't do it every day (or so I've seen) and from what I've seen, you have to rebuild your stockpile, so I guess it evens out.

I'm not opposed to dozens of battleships (from younger nations however, I am) as long as there is another aspect that evens it out. IE: dozens of battleships, but harldy any carriers, destroyers, frigates, subs, etc.

I'll agree that I could give a fuck bout how many Battleships you {no one in particular, just a general 'you'} have in comparison to support vehicles. I don't care, because it's piss poor storytelling. I'm not here to type up ten posts worth of stats. I'm here to write good, interesting storylines. A page full of '25 Carriers, 30 Battleships, 45 Noonegivesafucks' is most definately one of the least interesting things I could read. Now, for those of you who enjoy shit like this, more power to you, but I know I'll find someone else to RP with. Someone who won't be so anal about a few more battleships than RL america can afford, when IC I would gut and fuck America with little to no trouble.

To any who say I'm being unrealistic with my numbers, I'll argue that my Roleplaying has more than covered my need for an excess amount of ships, men, and other military spending. For every one Reaver who swears his oath to the Lord Reaver, there are ten who are paid for out of the personal coffers of minor Lords and nobles. Each of these nobles keeps his own 'banner' or contingent of soldiers and fleets. When the time for war comes, these Lords send their own levies to support those of the Lord Reaver. This is entirely optional, however, but if they refuse to wage the Lord Reaver's wars, most know they will be denied his generosity in the distribution plunder.

Once again I'll say that we're here to tell stories. Anyone can cut and paste the same list of stats for a hundred battles, but it takes talent to write a story that will get attention and keep it. So, who gives a shit? As long as its good storytelling I won't make an issue of things unless it's obscenely ridiculous, and even then, I would rather beat their asses IC, with their blown up numbers, than resort to OOC whining and crying about a few extra digits on their numbers. Good roleplaying will beat number wanking every time. Believe that shit.

Well, with Lavenrunz out of the running in this, it doesn't look to be worth it. This could have been an interesting RP, but now its just not worth bothering with.

And yes, my fleet's numbers were large. They were intended to be that way, basically I was throwing whatever I could manage into this. Admittedly, failure would have crippled me for a while, which is why this isnt worth wasting time over anymore.

Maybe I'll try to take Greece some other time. :wink: For now, I'm withdrawing my forces in the IC thread. :| So much for that.

Pantera, frankly I might just be too embittered. I've played too many times against people who casually announce how superb their tech is, or how vast their numbers as a means of victory, or who even just ignore any successes I manage to rp. So seeing Dr. Twist's enormous force array I just thought, "Great, here's another one." I'm sorry if this derailed things for people, but I'm just tired of things always going wrong in this dumb game.