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While still a small nation the CEP has already been involved in a milatary theatre in which we used large amounts of napalm. The effect was satisfactory but no where near devastating enough, we simply cannot afford to continously air raid ppl, bombs are costly.

To that end we would like to open a new research inititive with the end goal of creating several new varieties of napalm;

1) Heavier than water napalm, to boil off lakes and ponds
2) napalm with an equal density to air, to create large uncontrollable fire storms in enemy troop locations.
3) long burning napalm to make that inferno last at least 72 hours, what's the sense in napalming a choke if the enemy is going to retake it?
4) a high pressure napalm rocket to allow ground troops to fire naplam in a standard stinger launcher.
5) Napalm whose oxidizing agent (fire starter) is h2O and not air, this make it more leathal to troops yet standard napalm in humid enviroments.

if any nation already has this technology and would like to share that'd be great. If not this is a chance for nations my size or smaller to get a leg up in a tech field by collaborating.

ooc: The target is 6 RL days and 1/2 trillion dollars to get the research done. I choose 1/2 trillion because it's a number I can't afford myself.

Halt this research or face military attack.

we would gladly provide funding in return we expect that you share the tech with us so we can rid the world of people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NAPALM is an incendieary weapon and thus is banned. Destroy your naplam stockpile or face the fate og egyptstan.

Each nation seeks the right to pursue their military. Napalm is not a WMoD, all threatening nations please stand down.

We will donate 5 billion dollars towards your research, if you will share the results afterwards.

OOC: The water boiling napalm will never work... Water needs a lot of energy to heat it up.

who cares terroristan. for your rude reaction towards my sovereign goverment, i will provide funding to terrorist groups that will inflict heavy civilian casualties in your state.

We wish no agression please, however the napalm research will continue. And as for incendary weapons being illegal who said that?

Exonerate: I we appreciate the donation and will put it to good use.

(ooc: I was think about that. uranium pellets would make a good fuel supply but it'd kinda be unethical. I just posted this and look for techie details after words. So I think the water boilers will have to be abandoned unless someone can come up with a better way to do it?)


I'd like to take this opportunity to anounce the addition of 50 billion usd to the research inititive.

who cares terroristan. for your rude reaction towards my sovereign goverment, i will provide funding to terrorist groups that will inflict heavy civilian casualties in your state. ViZion will not stand for that. Stand down your threats against his civilians.

NAPALM is an incendieary weapon and thus is banned. Destroy your naplam stockpile or face the fate og egyptstan. And, Terronian, napalm is not something I would suggest you use to justify a war. It is not a WMD, as chem/bio/nuclear warheads are. It is a weapon, but not something that you should use to base a war on. If you do try to use this as an excuse to go to war, you will not have our aid. There is a difference between research on napalm, and using WMD's or researching, say, Acigoo (and if you're trying to equate that to Acigoo, don't. It'd nothing like Acigoo.)

NAPALM is an incendieary weapon and thus is banned. Destroy your naplam stockpile or face the fate og egyptstan.

Then why aren't phosphorus grenades banned? Why aren't thermite grenades banned?

We would gladly supply you with the chemical formulas, free of charge, as well as White Posphorous. These are basic tools of war, and we will share them with you in spite of these countries demanding that you may not defend yourself.

-General Cross

We will donate $1 billion to your research. We will donate $3 billion if we are able to share 50% of your research, and your napalm.

we use naplam but only on things like missile silos, Bio/Cem weapons sites, rarly on civilan targets.

thank you very much Kaukolastan (i didn't realize that same density as air napalm had already been though up, back to the drawing board.)

Osterreich-Magyar because you were interested we will transmit the chemical formulas to you free of charge since they have been just provided to us. We will began manufacturing and testing immediatly we are willing to share the results but not the product.

Exonerate we are passing the findings along to you as well thanks greatly to Kaukolastan.

thank you all for you assitance and I truly did not mean to step on any toes.

Napalm cannot have equal density as the air, but you can use the lighter Willy Pete to do something similar. It's lighter, but not so light as to dissapate. Look into slurry explosives ad fuel-air bombs next, for bigger fiery booms.

Actually an air dense flame payload is fully possible, basically its a FAE with a different mix rate/ratio so you get a fire storm instead of a blast wave (look up reports of soviet FAEs used in checnia(sp?) which prematurely detoanted).
The fuel doesn't have to have density parity with air on or before ignition because it will heat up... (i think)

The water instead of air ignition system is rahter pointless as even in humid areas there is still plenty of air, of course if youa re worried about the humidity preventing ignition just use soemthing that will react with anything... (ie WP) or a pyrotechnic dentoation system (with zirconium or soemthing).

To be honest msot of these ideas aren't terribly useful as say a decent FAE or thermo abric weapon.

Actually an air dense flame payload is fully possible, basically its a FAE with a different mix rate/ratio so you get a fire storm instead of a blast wave (look up reports of soviet FAEs used in checnia(sp?) which prematurely detoanted).
The fuel doesn't have to have density parity with air on or before ignition because it will heat up... (i think)

The water instead of air ignition system is rahter pointless as even in humid areas there is still plenty of air, of course if youa re worried about the humidity preventing ignition just use soemthing that will react with anything... (ie WP) or a pyrotechnic dentoation system (with zirconium or soemthing).

To be honest msot of these ideas aren't terribly useful as say a decent FAE or thermo abric weapon.
The problem with large scale FAE is getting the right mixture with the air. That's why FAEs don't generally go beyond 2000 lbs. Despite common misconceptions, the BLU-92 Daisy Cutter (or Commando Vault) is actually a GSX, not FAE. You'd do better sticking with the WP for firebombing and using FAE as psychological or anti-mine reasons.

I shall help with this resurch and will donate 2000 scientists, 100 Km2 of Aust for resurch, and the small matter of £100 Tillion pounds, (I've got a millatary buget of 202 trillion a day, didn't spend any yesterday)

Excellent I will begin experiments immediately, co-operating of course with your ppl.

We will begin testing the formulas Kaukolastan gave us as well as one we have come up with on our own.

The purposes of these tests will be to increase yield and duration of burn. As for the lighter than or same density as air napalm we don't neccsasarly need it to be a napalm derrivative the point is apon impact the firestorm shoots straight upwards then drifts in all directions as it settles. True this is more of a fuel air bomb then napalm but we are going to be using some multichambered ordinance that could combine the both of them.

Priority one of the initial round of testing is longer burn. We are thinking that a lower burning temp could acheive this so that the fuel isn't consumed as fast. When speaking relatively the difference between 3600 degrees and 2600 degrees isn't noticable, your still on fire.

We have used to a limited degree the following weapon system.

Inferno Missile - The Inferno missiles ignite their target with a highly-flammable substance which is released via airburst

Axis Nova wishes to lend what small assistance it can to this project, provided it will recieve some sort of napalm that can melt armor.

(OOC: perhaps something with a high thermite content?)

Axis Nova State Dept.

The nonagressive nation of Donelejo would like to comment on your research. We have no interest in becoming involved in outside conflicts, but feel compelled to point out possible inconsistencies in your statements. We ask if perhaps you are unaware of the nature of uncontrollable firestorms? They can become quite massive, and with a chemical nature being involved, might be considered by some as a WMD and not in keeping with a self-defensive weapon. As such firestroms are subject to global weather patterns,they could cause massive environmental damage not only to the enemy, but surrounding neutral coutries. Respectively, it is our opinion, therefore, that this level of napalm be banned. :|

Das Uber-Deutschland supports your napalm research. We are the first to admit we have a massive stock pile of 2000lb napalm bombs. There is no doubt what it is used for. If anyone tries to say they use it on military facilities, they are most likely lieing. Incindiary weapons are meant to take human life and depress the enemy psychologicaly. Psychological warfare is nearly as important as physical assault.

Axis Nova send what funds you can and then send scientists to the project area. This will need to be cleared with Aust as it is their country where the testing is taking place.

and as for the uncontrollable nature of the firestorm we fully believe it can be stopped from spreading by simply spraying it with counteragent to make it chemically inert. This would mean that if it looked like a neutral country was going to have problems we would have to share the counteragent. (I realize that there would still be a massive inferno just the main source of feul would be inert.)

Again, I respectively disagree. While you may be able to render the chemical inert on the ground, chemicls already suspended in the air and smoke and driven by global wind patterns will be too widespread to deal with. Even without wind problems occurring during the conflict, the firestorm heat creates it's own wind and uprrising air patterns. Your willingness to aid neutral neighbors is admirable, but I doubt that all other nations will prove to be so benevolent.

This sounds like trying to blame the car manufacturer for missuse by the driver which resulted in vehiclur manslaughter.

Your reaction is totally illogical. Outside of deliberate murder. manslaughter is an accident, not misuse by the driver, whereas your suped-up weapon is definitely intended to create massive damage and death.

okay let me rephrase this is like blaming smith and weston for the missuse of one of their products.

we are interested in this research and are willing to donate $10 billion as long as we ccan have production rights

I don't feel that that is neccassary as the bill has been footed and I do not see the needed to needlessly pass out the production rights to a weapon that seems to make so many nations nervous.

We wish no agression please, however the napalm research will continue. And as for incendary weapons being illegal who said that?

Exonerate: I we appreciate the donation and will put it to good use.

(ooc: I was think about that. uranium pellets would make a good fuel supply but it'd kinda be unethical. I just posted this and look for techie details after words. So I think the water boilers will have to be abandoned unless someone can come up with a better way to do it?)


I'd like to take this opportunity to anounce the addition of 50 billion usd to the research inititive.

Encendiary wepaon were banned by the Un in 1991.

A message from Consol Lelada of Alloy Nations in Gautier.

"General Frost was interessted in this subject as we have been able to place our rather long burning and "super" active napalm agent into shells. Not rifle shells, but artillary shells. Major Bertrand from Hellfire Nations used this in defense of an assault and said, "It was extremly effective as it halted the enemy advance and allowed our soldiers to keep a heavy barrage on the pinned down soldiers." General Frost and the Kingdom's United Army has agreed to share the weapon with you. But we ask u to reconsider the other uses of Napalm you have planned, it seems a little overboard."

Side note: As for Terronian, the Kingdom's United Army does not fear your concerns/threats and will gladly help this nation.

-Consol Lelada, Alloy Nations

OCC: Yes this is from C&C Generals and I dont mean to steal the idea but it is an awsome weapon.

We wish no agression please, however the napalm research will continue. And as for incendary weapons being illegal who said that?

Exonerate: I we appreciate the donation and will put it to good use.

(ooc: I was think about that. uranium pellets would make a good fuel supply but it'd kinda be unethical. I just posted this and look for techie details after words. So I think the water boilers will have to be abandoned unless someone can come up with a better way to do it?)


I'd like to take this opportunity to anounce the addition of 50 billion usd to the research inititive.

Encendiary wepaon were banned by the Un in 1991.

OOC: Good thing I'm not a member of the UN...

Axis Nova

If you do not need money, is there anything else we can offer? Scientists? Experiment space?

Let me know.

We will contact you apon enter the 2nd phase of research, improvement of existing designs, we are nearing completion as we speak (ooc: I'm kinda waiting for another thread to get to a certain point before I release the results.)