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OOC: I've noticed quite a few nations claiming to be annexing parts of Greece, and I've decided it's finally time for me to speak up.

Back in my early days, sometime around the beginning to middle of April, I annexed the (up until that point) unclaimed Greece. While the thread has been long since purged, the older nations on NS recognize Greece as under my control because they remember it.

It's a well accepted fact that I own Greece, because I've had it for almost a year now. Anybody that would like to annex any part of Greece is welcome to go through me first.

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Right. Even though we haven't lain claims to any RL country, we would like to say we recognize AMF's claims to Greece as "probably wholly true, and even if it wasn't, everyone had better listen to it anyways."

OOC: It's not so much the fact that this is a "because I say so it is so" situation, it's more along the lines o f"I did it so it is so".

I also remember having to fend off ADK from Greece during the whole Russian Forces/ADK war.

We aren't going to try anything stupid. We don't even see the point of claiming real nations. Whatever floats your boat, Freek.

Neither do we... It's a whole lot easier to say, that we're positioned on an island in the North Atlantic/Arctic Ocean than to claim RL territories. :P

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This is a map of the areas in Greece we wish to annex. This is the land of the father of the Emperor, and the areas we have selected are the most sacred. We do not wish for war over this, war is too messy, and would destroy many priceless treasures of the nation in the process. Therefore, we come to you today asking that you respectfully acknowledge these claims. I am willing to negotiate the conditions of this annexation.

- Skullzz, Emperor of the Dark Legions
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OOC: My dad IS actually Greek, and grew up there.

OOC: According to Chellis's RL nation claims, you have no stake in Greece.

Argyres- Parts of Greece
Argyres- Parts of Turkey
Argyres- Certain Aegean islands

Argyres owns the areas I wish to annex, according to the list. I have already contacted him, and cleared my annexation by him.

I reconize AMF's claim. Anyone who attempts to take AMF out of Greece - which he rightfully owns - will be charged of warmongering by Nanakaland and the Legion of Defence.

OOC: According to Chellis's RL nation claims, you have no stake in Greece.

Argyres- Parts of Greece
Argyres- Parts of Turkey
Argyres- Certain Aegean islands

Argyres owns the areas I wish to annex, according to the list. I have already contacted him, and cleared my annexation by him.

OOC: Of course my claim isn't listed, the thread has been purged for awhile. Chellis stated that an actual thread is required, but ask any older nation and they will recognize my claim. BTW I'm Greek as well.

OOC: According to Chellis's RL nation claims, you have no stake in Greece.

Argyres- Parts of Greece
Argyres- Parts of Turkey
Argyres- Certain Aegean islands

Argyres owns the areas I wish to annex, according to the list. I have already contacted him, and cleared my annexation by him.

OOC: Of course my claim isn't listed, the thread has been purged for awhile. Chellis stated that an actual thread is required, but ask any older nation and they will recognize my claim. BTW I'm Greek as well.

OOC: Maybe we can comprimise this then? The areas MOST important to me are the islands of Skyros and Thassos. Skyros is the one between the E in Aegean Sea and the highlighted mainland section to the east of it. Thassos is the northernmost island.

OOC: Maybe we can comprimise this then? The areas MOST important to me are the islands of Skyros and Thassos. Skyros is the one between the E in Aegean Sea and the highlighted mainland section to the east of it. Thassos is the northernmost island.

OOC: Are you talking about OOC or IC compromise? ICly you won't get a single inch. OOCly...well...I'd have to think about it.

As for Argyres, his time will come.

ooc-i wish no war im to weak to be able to defend agaisnt you but i see sparat has no claim is it ok if i have that island ??

ooc-i wish no war im to weak to be able to defend agaisnt you but i see sparat has no claim is it ok if i have that island ??

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

ooc-i wish no war im to weak to be able to defend agaisnt you but i see sparat has no claim is it ok if i have that island ??

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OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: Problem is, war would damage the land, and countless priceless artifacts. I don't like that idea.

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

OOC: If we were to try this, you'd have to pick between GF and AMF, you can't use BOTH. You wouldn't want to be branded PUPPETEER, would you?

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

Same here.

ooc i dont want war but i want a claim in greece i realy like the country how about i just have the city sparta?

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

OOC: If we were to try this, you'd have to pick between GF and AMF, you can't use BOTH. You wouldn't want to be branded PUPPETEER, would you?

OOC: No, I understand the rules of war. I'd have to think about who I'd use, but either way it wouldn't matter.

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

Same here.

OOC: You're welcome to try little one.

OOC: Pfft...Not like we can't TAKE it from him skullz

OOC: You're welcome to try. I've been waiting for weeks to destroy somebody.

Same here.

OOC: You're welcome to try little one.

OOC: Lol, oh I'm sorry, Did you think I'd be using this nation? :P

OOC: Lol, oh I'm sorry, Did you think I'd be using this nation? :P

OOC: Use whatever nation, it makes no difference.

First off, dont use my thread as some sort of holy document. Its incomplete, and best used as a reference guide... I am about to update it, including having AMF as the sole owner of greece.

Thank you Chellis. I should have renounced my claim before, as I'm in Meritocratic territory now, but I suppose I'm too lazy/stupid to have done so.

So, just to make sure everyone knows; The Holy Meritocratic Republic of Argyres renounces any and all claims to Greek territory, and will henceforth be located where-ever it is in the real world the Meritocracy is.

OOC: So many Greeks, anyone want to join the region of Greece? [/end regional plug]

OOC: Thanks, it's very big of you to do that. I appreciate it.

the Macabees declared its aid for Skullz...

OOC: Meaning the GDU will probably back me up too... DT, if we can patch up relations quickly; Zossen; Artitsa, if he isn't too busy..blah blah.

IC: Skullzz is, as always, grateful for the support of The Macabees and other allied nations.

OOC: Well, this might not be too hard after all.

the Macabees declared its aid for Skullz...

OOC: Meaning the GDU will probably back me up too... DT, if we can patch up relations quickly; Zossen; Artitsa, if he isn't too busy..blah blah.

OOC: All right, I'll bring in APTO, there's a few names there you should recognize. New Genoa, Imitora, Atlantian Outcasts, Pantera.....

Hey AMF, want some more help?

IC: Even though the two have had rough relations in the past, Chellis gives its full support to Automagfreek in the case of any aggresion, which would be unprovoked.

OOC: Hm, have I spoken too soon?

OOC: Hm, have I spoken too soon?

OOC: I would say so. I run with a very tough crowd. Even if this was just a 1 on 1 thing...well, I don't think I'd have to spell it out for ya.

OOC: Hm, have I spoken too soon?

OOC: I would say so. I run with a very tough crowd. Even if this was just a 1 on 1 thing...well, I don't think I'd have to spell it out for ya.

OOC: Don't think so either. However, this could turn out to be a veeery interesting RP, although I'm still hoping we dont wreck the Acropolis or anything like that in the process.

OOC: Don't think so either. However, this could turn out to be a veeery interesting RP, although I'm still hoping we dont wreck the Acropolis or anything like that in the process.

OOC: However, you really don't have any IC justification for a war, and if you were to invade Greece anyways, you'd be attacked by more countries than mine. You know how people are about unjust aggression nowadays....

OOC: Don't think so either. However, this could turn out to be a veeery interesting RP, although I'm still hoping we dont wreck the Acropolis or anything like that in the process.

OOC: However, you really don't have any IC justification for a war, and if you were to invade Greece anyways, you'd be attacked by more countries than mine. You know how people are about unjust aggression nowadays....

OOC: Yeah, they are quite the pains about that. :roll: I suppose I could always call it liberation or sumptin... :wink:

OOC: I think it's fair to note that in the NS Earth many nations inhabit real world nations. Rotovia for instance, also inhabits Greece and is based alrgely around Attica. But, the system many nations have used is assuming that multiple "Greeces" excists.

I can back up AMF claims on Greece just as he can back up my claims on European Nations i have Annexed and Taken control of. Because it was all done during the same war. And i will Help AMF keep Greece if he needs it and i am sure he will help me keep the nations of Mine in Europe if i had the same issue as this.

ooc:
For what it is worth, I imagine you are at least, in part, alluding to the Internationale's claims on the cyclades which sparked some controversy which i eventually said would have to be settled by you.
obviously, at this point, you claim all of greece, including all of the cyclades islands.
a war with you would be stttttuuuuuuupid. :) even if it was rped well the outcome would be foregone.
So, how about we just have some undiscovered islands in the Aegean which aren't part of the cyclades.
That way we aren't on any rl territory and we still have a location that we're comfortable with. (we're all classics majors which is why we claimed the cyclades).

Also, that makes us border you! what fun!

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles ME to ownership of Greece.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles me to ownership.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Because in a really old Thread during the RF-ADK war AMF invaded Greece to use it as a Launch pad to Invade ADK, but by the time he finished the war was over...

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles me to ownership.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Because in a really old Thread during the RF-ADK war AMF invaded Greece to use it as a Launch pad to Invade ADK, but by the time he finished the war was over...

and that was in April, the date of my nation is what now?

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles me to ownership.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Because in a really old Thread during the RF-ADK war AMF invaded Greece to use it as a Launch pad to Invade ADK, but by the time he finished the war was over...

and that was in April, the date of my nation is what now?

For all i know u just created your nation back then and walked into this thread and decided to claim Greece, there is no proof, i remember the AMF thing because i was in the war.

So sorry i can’t just say yer Greece is yours, because i can’t because i don't remember you ever owning Greece or anything, so really i can’t say if you do or don't own Greece.

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles me to ownership.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Because in a really old Thread during the RF-ADK war AMF invaded Greece to use it as a Launch pad to Invade ADK, but by the time he finished the war was over...

and that was in April, the date of my nation is what now?

For all i know u just created your nation back then and walked into this thread and decided to claim Greece, there is no proof, i remember the AMF thing because i was in the war.

So sorry i can’t just say yer Greece is yours, because i can’t because i don't remember you ever owning Greece or anything, so really i can’t say if you do or don't own Greece.

research pyrrhus and that stakes the legitimacy of my claim. now prove yours

Actually, my nation is older than AMF's claims of possession. This entitles me to ownership.

How are these piss pots claiming to own something that is naturally mine?

Because in a really old Thread during the RF-ADK war AMF invaded Greece to use it as a Launch pad to Invade ADK, but by the time he finished the war was over...

and that was in April, the date of my nation is what now?

For all i know u just created your nation back then and walked into this thread and decided to claim Greece, there is no proof, i remember the AMF thing because i was in the war.

So sorry i can’t just say yer Greece is yours, because i can’t because i don't remember you ever owning Greece or anything, so really i can’t say if you do or don't own Greece.

research pyrrhus and that stakes the legitimacy of my claim. now prove yours

?? That makes no sence.....

This is what I expected, everyone and their grandpa coming out of the closet and screaming how Greece is theirs.

Pyrrhus was from Epirus, my nation is named after his fame. Epirus still exists today as a Province of Greece. He inherited and conquered all of what is known as Greece today except the Peloponnese peninsula. Hence, Pyrrhus is Greek.

That given, what legitimacy do you have to say that AMF owns my lands as my nation was around before his claims to own?

If he wants it, let him take it from me.

This is what I expected, everyone and their grandpa coming out of the closet and screaming how Greece is theirs.

including yourself?

This is what I expected, everyone and their grandpa coming out of the closet and screaming how Greece is theirs.

Yer well don't worry i got your back because i am 100% sure u own Greece from that War, and i am sure u would do the same for me if it happened to me which the countries i took from that war.

This is what I expected, everyone and their grandpa coming out of the closet and screaming how Greece is theirs.

including yourself?

No, because it is mine. I don't remember seeing you around when I invaded Greece and took it over. I know I did, and here's my question to you: where's YOUR proof of ownership?

This is what I expected, everyone and their grandpa coming out of the closet and screaming how Greece is theirs.

including yourself?

No, because it is mine. I don't remember seeing you around when I invaded Greece and took it over. I know I did, and here's my question to you: where's YOUR proof of ownership?
Yer where is your Proof, i know AMF has proof throw a few members on this border, including myself.

OOC: I think it's fair to note that in the NS Earth many nations inhabit real world nations. Rotovia for instance, also inhabits Greece and is based alrgely around Attica. But, the system many nations have used is assuming that multiple "Greeces" excists.
I suggest before an intenational pissing contest breaks out you read my above post.

Auto, stop being a whiney little hypocrite and accept the fact that you cannot claim what is not yours to claim from the start. Give it up.

If you two want to claim my lands, come take it from me.

OOC: I think it's fair to note that in the NS Earth many nations inhabit real world nations. Rotovia for instance, also inhabits Greece and is based alrgely around Attica. But, the system many nations have used is assuming that multiple "Greeces" excists.
I suggest before an intenational pissing contest breaks out you read my above post.

yer that’s very true, It is well known that Russian Forces Owns Russia, but in that Stupid Official thread that (forgot who, attempted to create and i critized him for) Doesn't even Own Russia :roll: How Official if that.

Auto, stop being a whiney little hypocrite and accept the fact that you cannot claim what is not yours to claim from the start. Give it up.

If you two want to claim my lands, come take it from me.

Are you future tech?

(BTW, you're the one who ran up in here whining, so please stop trying to turn this thread into a flamefest. :roll: )

Auto, stop being a whiney little hypocrite and accept the fact that you cannot claim what is not yours to claim from the start. Give it up.

If you two want to claim my lands, come take it from me.

He doesn't need to take it because it's already his :roll: If you want it, you have to take it.

Auto, stop being a whiney little hypocrite and accept the fact that you cannot claim what is not yours to claim from the start. Give it up.

If you two want to claim my lands, come take it from me.

Are you future tech?

(BTW, you're the one who ran up in here whining, so please stop trying to turn this thread into a flamefest. :roll: )

OOC: I've noticed quite a few nations claiming to be annexing parts of Greece, and I've decided it's finally time for me to speak up.

Back in my early days, sometime around the beginning to middle of April, I annexed the (up until that point) unclaimed Greece. While the thread has been long since purged, the older nations on NS recognize Greece as under my control because they remember it. Then at the beginning of June I created Greek Forces, the shadow government AMF set up for Greece.

It's a well accepted fact that I own Greece, because I've had it for almost a year now. Anybody that would like to annex any part of Greece is welcome to go through me first.

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and you prove me right again with your own words. better quit while you are ahead there auto, you are in something you cannot justify or win.

and you prove me right again with your own words. better quit while you are ahead there auto, you are in something you cannot justify or win.

Just answer the question, is it that hard? :roll: Is it?

Are you future tech?

and you prove me right again with your own words. better quit while you are ahead there auto, you are in something you cannot justify or win.

Just answer the question, is it that hard? :roll: Is it?

Are you future tech?

I am post modern as you are and do not make me waste my time proving this to everyone reading this. I will do a quick research of your posts and paste paste paste your forces, we have been down this raod before. I know exactly where you are going with this.

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SC can vouch for AMF on his claims to Greece.

A lot of Major Countries can even RF, though he wont post here.

I think Phyrric is out of his League.

SC can vouch for AMF on his claims to Greece.

is this the puppet that was handed over to auto many months ago. Age has its benefits as I remember this vividly because sniper couldn't take it anymore.

OOC: I think it's fair to note that in the NS Earth many nations inhabit real world nations. Rotovia for instance, also inhabits Greece and is based alrgely around Attica. But, the system many nations have used is assuming that multiple "Greeces" excists.
I suggest before an intenational pissing contest breaks out you read my above post.
Last plea for logic.

OOC:Pyrrhus was from Epirus, my nation is named after his fame. Epirus still exists today as a Province of Greece. He inherited and conquered all of what is known as Greece today except the Peloponnese peninsula. Hence, Pyrrhus is Greek.

That given, what legitimacy do you have to say that AMF owns my lands as my nation was around before his claims to own?You have RPed as Greece since your nation was founded?

I am post modern as you are and do not make me waste my time proving this to everyone reading this. I will do a quick research of your posts and paste paste paste your forces, we have been down this raod before. I know exactly where you are going with this.

First off, calm down dude, seriously. You're getting WAY too worked up over this. I did a search of YOUR posts and found nothing. If you do a search of my posts, of course you won't find anything, the ADK/RF war thread has been long since purged.

Generally, when people who have been here since December and through April recognize my claims, that shoudl say somehing. Maybe you need to speak up abit more when you claim something. When I claimed Greece it was under ADK's control, and if you really did own Greece, why weren't you involved? Why is it nobody said "oh wait a minute AMF, Phyrric owns Greece"? You want to know why, because people remembered me claiming it. That's what matters.

I'm asking you your tech level to try and compromise here, something you are not doing. If your tech is more in the future, then I guess you could be "future" Greece.

Again, try REASONING with me before running up in my face blaring insults.

SC can vouch for AMF on his claims to Greece.

is this the puppet that was handed over to auto many months ago. Age has its benefits as I remember this vividly because sniper couldn't take it anymore.

The Original Owner of Sniper Country returned and took over the nation :roll:

SC can vouch for AMF on his claims to Greece.

is this the puppet that was handed over to auto many months ago. Age has its benefits as I remember this vividly because sniper couldn't take it anymore.

Jason has had SC back for months, where have you been?

OOC:Pyrrhus was from Epirus, my nation is named after his fame. Epirus still exists today as a Province of Greece. He inherited and conquered all of what is known as Greece today except the Peloponnese peninsula. Hence, Pyrrhus is Greek.

That given, what legitimacy do you have to say that AMF owns my lands as my nation was around before his claims to own?You have RPed as Greece since your nation was founded?

yes, look at my flag. it is the official flag of Epirus. look at all my posts, my generals are even named after greeks as are all my cities and ships. just take a look, my claim has far more validity.

I am post modern as you are and do not make me waste my time proving this to everyone reading this. I will do a quick research of your posts and paste paste paste your forces, we have been down this raod before. I know exactly where you are going with this.

First off, calm down dude, seriously. You're getting WAY too worked up over this. I did a search of YOUR posts and found nothing. If you do a search of my posts, of course you won't find anything, the ADK/RF war thread has been long since purged.

Generally, when people who have been here since December and through April recognize my claims, that shoudl say somehing. Maybe you need to speak up abit more when you claim something. When I claimed Greece it was under ADK's control, and if you really did own Greece, why weren't you involved? Why is it nobody said "oh wait a minute AMF, Phyrric owns Greece"? You want to know why, because people remembered me claiming it. That's what matters.

I'm asking you your tech level to try and compromise here, something you are not doing. If your tech is more in the future, then I guess you could be "future" Greece.

Again, try REASONING with me before running up in my face blaring insults.

I am not getting worked up, I just state facts and do not play games. If you want to reason, then we can do that.

I am post modern as you are and do not make me waste my time proving this to everyone reading this. I will do a quick research of your posts and paste paste paste your forces, we have been down this raod before. I know exactly where you are going with this.

First off, calm down dude, seriously. You're getting WAY too worked up over this. I did a search of YOUR posts and found nothing. If you do a search of my posts, of course you won't find anything, the ADK/RF war thread has been long since purged.

Generally, when people who have been here since December and through April recognize my claims, that shoudl say somehing. Maybe you need to speak up abit more when you claim something. When I claimed Greece it was under ADK's control, and if you really did own Greece, why weren't you involved? Why is it nobody said "oh wait a minute AMF, Phyrric owns Greece"? You want to know why, because people remembered me claiming it. That's what matters.

I'm asking you your tech level to try and compromise here, something you are not doing. If your tech is more in the future, then I guess you could be "future" Greece.

Again, try REASONING with me before running up in my face blaring insults.

I am not getting worked up, I just state facts and do not play games. If you want to reason, then we can do that.

Then go back, read the whole post, and comment appropriately .

OOC: yes, look at my flag. it is the official flag of Epirus. look at all my posts, my generals are even named after greeks as are all my cities and ships. just take a look, my claim has far more validity.Which would be why no one remembers you claiming Greece -- you claimed it and integrated it into your RPing from the start, right? Sounds sort of like the invasion of Madagascar a while back...(Although the invasion was taking place to free the people from my rule, because apparently the last time I'd said I own Madagascar, it sounded like a no-RP annexation.)

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

(Looks at AMF's claim, looks at Phyrric's claim...)
Hmm...
(looks for a way to compromise this before the stupidity starts-and fails.)
Mmm-Hmmm...

(Attemts to offer reasonable, logical, solution.)

"Okay, AMF, You invaded Greece as part of a War in April. Phyrric claimed Greece as his Real Estate in March. Neither of you interacted in any way in the disputed terrain while this was going, quiaff?"

(Both parties nod, glaring at one another.)

"I see the answer is 'Aff'. Now, I look at the "Regions" each of you technically inhabits... Hmm... Neither one says "Greece" on it. I look at your relative Tech-Levels, and note that AMF has extensive Genegineering, and a decided Futuretech bent, while Phyrric's more 20th/21st Century tech, very little human-genome modification, and a (I hate to say this) more "Modern" style Governmental organization, configured to manage a modern state where Military personnel are not mind-controlled or brainwashed.
AMF, OTOH, is rather fiercely late 21st/early 22nd Century tech-guns pretty much have reached where they're going to go as a practical matter, but AMF uses higher tech items than are available for us "Moderntech/Clancyish" nations.

I submit to you that there are two solutions that work for this.

Solution One: "Rifts". Neither of you interacts with the other under normal circumstances, yet you occupy the same real-estate. This means you're occupying potentially different parallel dimensions. In AMF's dimension, you, Phyrric, don't exist.
In Phyrric's dimension, AMF doesn't exist, or, he exists north of the location Greece occupies on the map.
You would therefore only interact under conditions where there is a "Hole" or "Breach" between the two universes, or under conditions where your founders either grabbed different lands, or, existed at different times.

That's Solution One. that's the solution that allows you to both have what you're claiming, be telling the truth, and not acting like... well... less developed persons than you are.

Solution Two: Same Universe, different times. At some point, Phyrric ceases to exist-possibly the result of some internal conflict, leaving Greece as a series of disorganized city-states and minor fiefdoms at war with one another, hanging ripe and ready for AMF to come in and impose order. This is doable because AMF uses a lot of advanced systems and techniques that aren't doable in the Real World as it stands today-Genetically Engineered, utterly-loyal, supersoldiers whose imposed loyalty programmes don't impede their use of logic and reason, numbering in the Billions. (That's one with nine zeroes behind it.)
Feeding a force that size would require most of the resources (*at present-tech) of the entire world (that, incidentally, is just to feed 'em...)
Only in an advanced environment can you breed/grow that large a force, programme them, and feed them, without it taking your entire economy up, and AMF has a fairly good economic status.
Ergo, his tech level indicates he is a later-period stage, a later "Future Tech", probably 2100's or so.

Strikes me the easiest way to solve the cry fest I'm reading here is to do this.

Someone mentioned earlire in the thread many many many nations accept multiples of real world countries. Just go with that, AMF can have his greece skullz can have his everyone else can have their own. Just grow up and accept that.

This is a game you should be having fun not crying when someone says something and you lose your candy. Compromise rather than belittle and abuse each other sheesh.

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

With your Greek neighbor?

I own all the countries North of Greece and ADK owns Turkey so what do you own?

OOC:Pyrrhus was from Epirus, my nation is named after his fame. Epirus still exists today as a Province of Greece. He inherited and conquered all of what is known as Greece today except the Peloponnese peninsula. Hence, Pyrrhus is Greek.

That given, what legitimacy do you have to say that AMF owns my lands as my nation was around before his claims to own?You have RPed as Greece since your nation was founded?

yes, look at my flag. it is the official flag of Epirus. look at all my posts, my generals are even named after greeks as are all my cities and ships. just take a look, my claim has far more validity.

See, that's why. YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY! And you did not. Therefore, your claim is invalid. AMF did RP the taking of Greece, there for, it is his. HI also supports AMF's claim.

Listen, I could have RP'd my country as being Canada right from the start, doesn't mean any claim I have to Canada is valid. In fact, it is not. If we allowed any nation that had a flag from a RL nation and used names from RL nations to have claim to that RL nation, nothing would work. There would be hundreds of owners per RL nation.

Also, you are NOT older than AMF. Look at your joined dates and populations.

OOC: Maybe we can comprimise this then? The areas MOST important to me are the islands of Skyros and Thassos. Skyros is the one between the E in Aegean Sea and the highlighted mainland section to the east of it. Thassos is the northernmost island.

OOC: Are you talking about OOC or IC compromise? ICly you won't get a single inch. OOCly...well...I'd have to think about it.

As for Argyres, his time will come.

Is this what I was to read? This kind of compromise? And post to it appropriately? Now....what about reasoning?

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

With your Greek neighbor?

I own all the countries North of Greece and ADK owns Turkey so what do you own?

I think its pretty clear he owns Cyprus.

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

With your Greek neighbor?

I own all the countries North of Greece and ADK owns Turkey so what do you own?

I think its pretty clear he owns Cyprus.

Only just noticed the flag has a pic of Cyprus on it :wink:

YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY!If you roleplay as a certain real-life nation, it would make no sense to create an invasion thread. "I, Greece, am invading Greece with my tanks! The soldiers...walk around in circles trying to catch themselves. :?"
Also, you are NOT older than AMF. Look at your joined dates and populations.His claim appears to be older.

Solution Two: Same Universe, different times. At some point, Phyrric ceases to exist-possibly the result of some internal conflict, leaving Greece as a series of disorganized city-states and minor fiefdoms at war with one another, hanging ripe and ready for AMF to come in and impose order. This is doable because AMF uses a lot of advanced systems and techniques that aren't doable in the Real World as it stands today-Genetically Engineered, utterly-loyal, supersoldiers whose imposed loyalty programmes don't impede their use of logic and reason, numbering in the Billions. (That's one with nine zeroes behind it.)
Feeding a force that size would require most of the resources (*at present-tech) of the entire world (that, incidentally, is just to feed 'em...)
Only in an advanced environment can you breed/grow that large a force, programme them, and feed them, without it taking your entire economy up, and AMF has a fairly good economic status.
Ergo, his tech level indicates he is a later-period stage, a later "Future Tech", probably 2100's or so.

Good post, but not entirely accurate.

AMF's Sentinels (including reservists and support people) generally don't breech 100mil, and at MOST 10% of that would see combat. But 10% is still high and would only come into play if AMF was invaded directly. Mostly, I operate at 1-3% depending on conditions. The Sentinels are simply genetically clean, a procedure achievable by today's standards. Their lifelong training is what makes them what they are.

ANYWAYS....

AMF's tech level is strange. Military tech is like 2005-2100 tops. Medical is like 2005-2020 tops, and other stuff like cars and other machines is 2004-2015 tops.

Depending on Phyrric's tech level (if it's constant) it can either put them in a higher or lower "advancement bracket" than me, thus negating this problem because we would be in seperate time frames. AMF does not exist in Greece but claims it as a vassal state.

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YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY!If you roleplay as a certain real-life nation, it would make no sense to create an invasion thread. "I, Greece, and invading Greece with my tanks! The soldiers...walk around in circles trying to catch themselves. :?"


Read the rest of my post. That wouldn't work. You'd have hundreds of people all with valid claims to each RL country if it worked that way.

OOC: Maybe we can comprimise this then? The areas MOST important to me are the islands of Skyros and Thassos. Skyros is the one between the E in Aegean Sea and the highlighted mainland section to the east of it. Thassos is the northernmost island.

OOC: Are you talking about OOC or IC compromise? ICly you won't get a single inch. OOCly...well...I'd have to think about it.

As for Argyres, his time will come.

Is this what I was to read? This kind of compromise? And post to it appropriately? Now....what about reasoning?

:roll:

You're intentionally making this difficult.

No, I was refering to my large post that you quoted a few posts back. As for this post, I was saying ICly (as if Damien was talking) he woud get nothng, and OOCly (that would be me. See how this works?) we'd have to talk.

Stop taking my words out of context and please stop being difficult.

I believe this quarrelling should stop. I will send all parties involved fresh halloumi from Kypros.

http://www.deliaonline.com/picturelibrary/jpeg150/ha/halloumi.jpg

Mmm... time for me to make a sandwich.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros

Read the rest of my post.Do you really think I would make a post without reading it all? :|
That wouldn't work.Yes, it would (does, actually *points to self*). You just have a looser definition of RPing as a RL nation.

I think i have done all i have done in this thread, But i still have AMF's back on this because i know he owns it because i was in the war and watched the attack happened while i was invading Bulgaria Romania and a pile of other nations.

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

With your Greek neighbor?

I own all the countries North of Greece and ADK owns Turkey so what do you own?

I think its pretty clear he owns Cyprus.

Only just noticed the flag has a pic of Cyprus on it :wink:

and that makes cyprus his????? If that is your reasoning, then this concludes that greece is mine. The flag of Epirus, if you look at it carefully, notice how it is the greece flag with the albania crest? coincidence?

We recognize Automagfreek as the proprietor of Greece, and we hope that we can have peaceful future relations with our Greek neighbours.

President Nikos Skilopoulos
The Hellenic Commonwealth of Kypros
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/cyprus--64.jpg

With your Greek neighbor?

I own all the countries North of Greece and ADK owns Turkey so what do you own?

I think its pretty clear he owns Cyprus.

and that makes cyprus his?????

Only just noticed the flag has a pic of Cyprus on it :wink:

If that is your reasoning, then this concludes that greece is mine. The flag of Epirus, if you look at it carefully, notice how it is the greece flag with the albania crest? coincidence?

Don't be stuiped or ill Ignore you, you know what i meen :roll:

If that is your reasoning, then this concludes that greece is mine. The flag of Epirus, if you look at it carefully, notice how it is the greece flag with the albania crest? coincidence?

Then use that same logic on every nation in the region "Europe" and "Greece".

Flags don't desginate ownership.

Then stop being ignorant there Dr_Twist.

Phyric is really taking this all too seriously is what it boils down to.

He also seems to think he can win some how...

If it came to war, it would likely be Phyric vs. a large # of early '03, late '02 nations.

HI sides with AMF. AMF is the only one here who has provided proof that he has a valid claim to Greece. RP'ing as Greece right from the start just doesn't cut it. Because there was likely another NS nation with claims to greece prior to that and because, really, how is anyone supposed to know from a flag and names that he is laying claim to the RL nation of Greece? This is the first time EVER I have heard any thing remotly like a claim to the nation from Phyric. I have heard it many times from AMF.

(Reactivated May '03 Nation)

Then stop being ignorant there Dr_Twist.

For the love of Christ on a cracker, kill the insults.

HI sides with AMF. AMF is the only one here who has provided proof that he has a valid claim to Greece. RP'ing as Greece right from the start just doesn't cut it. Because there was likely another NS nation with claims to greece prior to that and because, really, how is anyone supposed to know from a flag and names that he is laying claim to the RL nation of Greece? This is the first time EVER I have heard any thing remotly like a claim to the nation from Phyric. I have heard it many times from AMF.

(Reactivated May '03 Nation)

Thank you. I myself had never heard Phyrric claim Greece until right now, and I'm willing to be 9 out of 10 people had no clue either.

Then stop being ignorant there Dr_Twist.

For the love of Christ on a cracker, kill the insults.

Just report him.... I think he's flamed enough people over time that's high time someone took action...

YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY!If you roleplay as a certain real-life nation, it would make no sense to create an invasion thread. "I, Greece, am invading Greece with my tanks! The soldiers...walk around in circles trying to catch themselves. :?"
Also, you are NOT older than AMF. Look at your joined dates and populations.His claim appears to be older.

Nianacio pegged the claim here and understands the claim.

Then stop being ignorant there Dr_Twist.

For the love of Christ on a cracker, kill the insults.

OOC: I like that idea, sounds sacrilicious. :D

YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY!If you roleplay as a certain real-life nation, it would make no sense to create an invasion thread. "I, Greece, am invading Greece with my tanks! The soldiers...walk around in circles trying to catch themselves. :?"
Also, you are NOT older than AMF. Look at your joined dates and populations.His claim appears to be older.

Nianacio pegged the claim here and understands the claim.

Read my other post. You actully have to say your claiming greece or no one knows you have. If you don't make it known, by saying the words "i claim greece", then you do not have a valid claim.

I am going offline if u want anything Msg me....

Solution Two: Same Universe, different times. At some point, Phyrric ceases to exist-possibly the result of some internal conflict, leaving Greece as a series of disorganized city-states and minor fiefdoms at war with one another, hanging ripe and ready for AMF to come in and impose order. This is doable because AMF uses a lot of advanced systems and techniques that aren't doable in the Real World as it stands today-Genetically Engineered, utterly-loyal, supersoldiers whose imposed loyalty programmes don't impede their use of logic and reason, numbering in the Billions. (That's one with nine zeroes behind it.)
Feeding a force that size would require most of the resources (*at present-tech) of the entire world (that, incidentally, is just to feed 'em...)
Only in an advanced environment can you breed/grow that large a force, programme them, and feed them, without it taking your entire economy up, and AMF has a fairly good economic status.
Ergo, his tech level indicates he is a later-period stage, a later "Future Tech", probably 2100's or so.

Good post, but not entirely accurate.

AMF's Sentinels (including reservists and support people) generally don't breech 100mil, and at MOST 10% of that would see combat. But 10% is still high and would only come into play if AMF was invaded directly. Mostly, I operate at 1-3% depending on conditions. The Sentinels are simply genetically clean, a procedure achievable by today's standards. Their lifelong training is what makes them what they are.

ANYWAYS....

AMF's tech level is strange. Military tech is like 2005-2100 tops. Medical is like 2005-2020 tops, and other stuff like cars and other machines is 2004-2015 tops.

Depending on Phyrric's tech level (if it's constant) it can either put them in a higher or lower "advancement bracket" than me, thus negating this problem because we would be in seperate time frames. AMF does not exist in Greece but claims it as a vassal state.

Sorry, I misremembered your post. (My error!) Okay, let's break it down more- Since I'm involved in Phyrric's "Sink The Alexander" thread, and my country's sitting at about 2020 or so (with late 20th/Early 21st Century tech), and basing it on how long I've set on the Website as the "Isolation Period" we came out of... (70 years, yes, I'm building a website for my nation-eventually we'll catch up with the rest of you...)
I'd have to go with either the "Parallel dimension" theory, or a radically different geography. (I'd have to do this to play with Nianacio-my country's been RP'ed since day 1 as being built on the ruins of a Vietnam that didn't align with the Communists in the 50s, and got nuked by china in the '60s. He's got a claim on Vietnam that's older than mine in Board Time, which where your dispute exists.)
Now, I also note that with your explanation, a couple of things are very clear supporting the "Parallel" argument-one, you're both at roughly the same level of development (he's about five to ten years ahead in some areas, you're about ten to twenty in some areas, and you've got a huge pop he doesn't have.), but, the way you're using it is radically different-he's got lunar, mars, and other orbital colonies and stations, you've got "Clean-Gene" troops (are they clones? I don't remember) and an army that almost outnumbers many nations' whole population (It's about two-thirds my whole nation).
So...
You both have the same real-estate, but you exist on different "fan Blades" (If you treat it like varying speed fans, based on maybe rotational speed of atoms or some other baloneyium...), near parallels, but not the same-many of your neighbours are the same, many of the other nations you interact with are the same-but, you don't "See" each other or interact within the same spacetime framework.
This makes interactions rather difficult.
Otoh, if Phyrric were to, say, make his civil war bad enough, or, if you guys were to stage an "origin story" where Phyrric's people "Free themselves of the Tyranny of AutoMagFreek" (It would have to be a closed RP, I think-maybe set it in Phyrric's Ten-Years-ago, while my people were licking their wounds after their first interaction with the outside world post-seventy years of isolation...)
That would settle Territorial disputes nicely, and maybe even set a stage for future interactions on the boards.

Hmm....and with that post NK, I'm calling it a night. I have to be to work tomorrow morning and may be on periodically.

I hear you there-I've got to get some sleep too, or the old lady's gonna have my head on a platter...

I tto, am calling it a night... I'll check up on this tomorrow morning. Hopefully, we can resolve this peacefully.

GREECE IS MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE! GET OFF MY GREECE! NOW!

Muhaha!.......whatever..... :lol:

OOC:
You actully have to say your claiming greece or no one knows you have. If you don't make it known, by saying the words "i claim greece", then you do not have a valid claim.You don't have to have an invasion thread to claim a nation; you can claim to have had it all along (as long as no one else got to it first).
I'd have to go with either the "Parallel dimension" theory, or a radically different geography. (I'd have to do this to play with Nianacio-my country's been RP'ed since day 1 as being built on the ruins of a Vietnam that didn't align with the Communists in the 50s, and got nuked by china in the '60s. He's got a claim on Vietnam that's older than mine in Board Time, which where your dispute exists.)(I know this was just an example, but I'm answering anyway.)
You'd probably have to go with both parallel dimension and radically different geography (or such different geography that there are two Vietnams in the world, which is actually what I usually go by). I've messed up the geography so much I'm not sure if it's fair to actually claim to control the RL territory, and in my timeline, Nianacio has never been communist.

Well, I too am leaving...

You actully have to say your claiming greece or no one knows you have. If you don't make it known, by saying the words "i claim greece", then you do not have a valid claim.You don't have to have an invasion thread to claim a nation; you can claim to have had it all along (as long as no one else got to it first).


I didn't say you had to invade it, but you do have to say "I claim the RL nation of Greece" or "I am RP'ing as the RL nation of Greece" or no one knows that you are. He can't sit quitely by for almost a year, not telling anyone that it is his intent in his RP to be the RL nation of Greece, then get mad when some one lays claim to it. We can't read his mind. His claim is not valid because he never said anything about having a claim to RL Greece untill almost a year after AMF claimed it. It doesn't work that way.

OOC: And this is why I don't bother laying claim to RL countries. Much more fun to make up your own. Just my 2 cents.

You actully have to say your claiming greece or no one knows you have. If you don't make it known, by saying the words "i claim greece", then you do not have a valid claim.You don't have to have an invasion thread to claim a nation; you can claim to have had it all along (as long as no one else got to it first).


I didn't say you had to invade it, but you do have to say "I claim the RL nation of Greece" or "I am RP'ing as the RL nation of Greece" or no one knows that you are. He can't sit quitely by for almost a year, not telling anyone that it is his intent in his RP to be the RL nation of Greece, then get mad when some one lays claim to it. We can't read his mind. His claim is not valid because he never said anything about having a claim to RL Greece untill almost a year after AMF claimed it. It doesn't work that way.

look up any of my posts and you will notice i play greece in all of them. When Auto and I fought side by side against Melkor, a greek ship named the Tarentum (a city founded by sparta in the boot of italy) was used as was a carrier called the macedon (a province of greece) this was back in august. this is an example as auto might recollect. i have always rped this way and there has never been an exception

I post in a thread today 'sink the alexander' that is a battleship named after the great general. I started out in a region called 'the balkans' and left because of an incident where i was exhonerated with a fellow nation called 'thrace' over 8 months ago, that is when i moved to my own region called 'antiquity' (notice a post in my region 214 days old, older than your nation)

the name i have used for my king/president has been and always shall be Pyrrhus. i have always posted this and continue to do so. any ally of mine can testify to this as any nation that has ever RPed with me can testify to this. I have never called my leader by any other name. Pyrrhus is greek.

just because you have not heard of me or read any of my posts did not mean i did not exist or ever claim greece. it is not expected for anyone to read every single post and know every single nation. with the proof given, i have the claim and greece is mine. auto tried to claim it, i rebuttled and proved my existance as i always have been in greece and always shall be.

and on another note HI, you do not know me. as auto and i do not always see eye to eye on issues, he can tell you that i never stand alone....ever. if you think you have friends and allies, you have not seen that definition until you start something with me. you may be a recycled may nation, but many of my allies are as old as dirt. nianacio knows me (to a point) as does dr twist and auto, i have been around long enough to have some extremely powerful friends when i need them, and i rarely use them because i rarely need them. i am quite capable of holding my own in a rp. look before you leap.

off to bed

ooc:
Although new to this game, when I picked it up, I did as I always do, and went around and read read read.
I managed to at least find reference to AMF's claims to Greece and also to his ability to rp quite nicely (with several other, shall we call them, major players)
This intrigued me, and so we also noticed that amf was 1. future tech and 2. claimed "greece"
so we figured we would weasel in and claim the cyclades, since no one had by name (to my knowledge).
we figured we could get away with it cuz we place ourselves pretty firmly late 80s at the latest. (1980s) and i am much more comfortable with a korean war era tech level.

Needless to say, due to the sheer number of people, and the constant bickering, we quickly placed ourselves in "indeterminate" (imaginary) islands in the aegean. :)
seemed the best solution.

Now, first off, Phurry do not tell people to "research" anything greek related, or imply that your "superior knowledge" grants you control of a region, because... well... the internationale contains several classical scholars and I myself, while not the best educated (in terms of Greece) member can read athenian greek as well as speak modern.
and can quote extensively from thucydides, in greek, if i felt like it.

secondly, your entire claim seems to be "i am a greek themed nation" therefore, greece would be claimed by me de facto. And, since you are older than AMF you feel your claim holds more water.

In my eyes, that just doesn't make any sort of sense.
I mean, look at it like this, if I started a nation called "The Entire Frigging United States of America, including Alaska and Hawaii and Guam"
that doesn't mean that I would automatically claim the entire united states and guam.
NS is a game, and as much as we want to play "on a board" and we make that board the real world, we have to recognize that nations have to claim those areas not assume they are theirs. or even, for whatever reason, claim they have the rights to them.

I mean, just recently, someone called themselves "the seychelles islands" and therefore felt they controlled the seychelles, including, for example, diego garcia. and that just isn't the case.


The way i see the NS world working is everyone is sort of in a made up area (at this point) until they can take, through whatever means, a real area from one of the major players.

but, these are just my thoughts, and why should anyone listen to me?

Twist, please stop whining about my thread. I did say i was putting RF as sole ruler of russia before you made your post, and updated it yesterday to reflect that.

Phyricc, are you serious about this? Its just funny hearing you think you should actually own it. AMF legitimatly took greece, while all you did was give yourself a bunch of greekan names and be happy... Chellis uses a bunch of french names, from people to cities, etc etc. We even used the french flag at the beginning. Does that make us france?

Slight correction, AMF is older than Phyrric, but Phyrric’s claim is older. Simple error.

Anyways, I’m willing to accept that Phyrric is in a different multiverse than me. But in doing so I’d like to make one observation, and that is this: how come Phyrric has not been more vocal about their claims? Because he uses Greek names and a Greek flag does not mean everyone will go “oh, he MUST have Greece then”. Why no factbook entry, no list of claims, no nothing. I’ve been very vocal about my claims and have posted several threads about not only my Greecian colony but it’s defense and so on.

Why has Phyrric waited, oh..:checks watch:.a year to say anything? IMO, that’s poor form, and Phyrric must realize that because of his timing he is in a bad position. Had Phyrric piped up sooner about this I would have no problem, but again his timing is the issue. IMO Phyrric, your assumption that because you use Greek references therefore you are Greece is insane. How can you expect people to automatically think that because your references and flag are Greek that you automatically are? I’m not trying to preach to you the rules of NS, but c’mon, don’t tell me you didn’t see this coming. This sounds like something I'd hear out of a newb.

As stated before, I’m willing to accept the different multiverse thing. But Phyrric, next time you lay claim to something, YOU HAVE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.

OOC: For the love of Gandhi!...stop

Ok, to be fair...just give me Greece - that should settle this dispute. :P

After sleeping on it, I have come to the conclusion on these factors:

1. Auto cannot claim something that is not theirs to claim, not can I or anyone else.
2. It was ruled to be godmod during the 'great RL nations grab' back in April, May and June if my memory servs me right. Dr_Twist helped champion such a claim of godmod (and backed by Auto) because his beloved country of Australia was going to be occupied (by Sniper?) in this great grab.
3. Auto changes the course of his RP as frequently as Auto changes his underwear. Could be everyday, could be once a month.
4. No one can occupy areas that are already occupied, that was agreed upon and lead to the godmod ruling on RL nations.
5. This shit isn't worth it.

I am reverting back to the original agreement within NS that RL nations cannot be claimed, something I had temporarily forgotten about and do apologize for that.

No one claims Greece or any other RL nation at that.

BZZZZZ, I am outta here.

ooc:
Although new to this game, when I picked it up, I did as I always do, and went around and read read read.

glad to see someone actually does that.

I managed to at least find reference to AMF's claims to Greece and also to his ability to rp quite nicely (with several other, shall we call them, major players)

I have noticed that when these 'major' players are excluded from an RP, it runs so much smoother and without a ton of bickering. These 'major' players think they own NS and are the only ones that can RP, a reason all their RP's fail.

Now, first off, Phurry do not tell people to "research" anything greek related, or imply that your "superior knowledge" grants you control of a region, because... well... the internationale contains several classical scholars and I myself, while not the best educated (in terms of Greece) member can read athenian greek as well as speak modern.
and can quote extensively from thucydides, in greek, if i felt like it.

Do not know where that claim from...but congrats on being multilingual? The research was suggested so they can know who and what Pyrrhus was about.

but, these are just my thoughts, and why should anyone listen to me?

you are intitled to your thoughts, you need to have comprehension when you read as well before people will listen to you.

Errr... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97767&start=0)

In any case, did anyone here realise why it is silly to own RL territories? Or, more detailed, why it is silly to exclusively own them?

You know, there are this funny things... 1. 120k nations. Perhaps 1% of them (Occasionally) RPing. Thats way more nations in NS than in RL.

2. Claims may be made by several nations without this nations knowing each other claims, possibly without this nations knowing each other. Clashes can´t be prevented.

While i can understand nations claiming RL territories to add flavour (Wouldn´t do it for aforementioned reasons, but people may think different, and i admit it: Defined geography can be useful), i cannot understand this exclusive claims which are, in fact, penis size competitions.

If someone else claims the same territory (Not plans to conquer it, but claims it to be their home), I would suggest ignoring each other. No bad feelings, just ignoring to prevent this weird time & space discontinuity effects (Also known as bitchfests). One should remember that old age doesn´t mean you can claim everything... Being old, big, strong, and the first will definitely help a nation IRL. In NS, which, if you remember, is supposed to be a game that is fun for everyone, it is just the arrogant behaviour of people with inflated egos.

So, I would suggest that instead of whining over who claims what, one could just move on and let others have their fun as well... Like, say, civilised people do it all the time.

~ Ministry for ooc affairs and friendly rants

I didn't say you had to invade it, but you do have to say "I claim the RL nation of Greece" or "I am RP'ing as the RL nation of Greece" or no one knows that you are.
YOU HAVE TO RP THE TAKING OF THE COUNTRY!If you roleplay as a certain real-life nation, it would make no sense to create an invasion thread. "I, Greece, and invading Greece with my tanks! The soldiers...walk around in circles trying to catch themselves. :?"


Read the rest of my post. That wouldn't work. You'd have hundreds of people all with valid claims to each RL country if it worked that way.
Hmmm...
Much more fun to make up your own.I sort of did...
1. Auto cannot claim something that is not theirs to claim, not can I or anyone else.Absolutely. This why I refuse to say, "I claim Indonesia," -- I'm just roleplaying as a nation that includes some land that looks exactly like Indonesia. If someone else wants to, too, that's fine with me.
If someone else claims the same territory (Not plans to conquer it, but claims it to be their home), I would suggest ignoring each other.I'd say, "Geography is so freaky! Your nation looks just like the Nianacia state of Bla! :o" (Except there isn't really a state named Bla...)

Errr... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97767&start=0)

In any case, did anyone here realise why it is silly to own RL territories? Or, more detailed, why it is silly to exclusively own them?

You know, there are this funny things... 1. 120k nations. Perhaps 1% of them (Occasionally) RPing. Thats way more nations in NS than in RL.

2. Claims may be made by several nations without this nations knowing each other claims, possibly without this nations knowing each other. Clashes can´t be prevented.

While i can understand nations claiming RL territories to add flavour (Wouldn´t do it for aforementioned reasons, but people may think different, and i admit it: Defined geography can be useful), i cannot understand this exclusive claims which are, in fact, penis size competitions.

If someone else claims the same territory (Not plans to conquer it, but claims it to be their home), I would suggest ignoring each other. No bad feelings, just ignoring to prevent this weird time & space discontinuity effects (Also known as bitchfests). One should remember that old age doesn´t mean you can claim everything... Being old, big, strong, and the first will definitely help a nation IRL. In NS, which, if you remember, is supposed to be a game that is fun for everyone, it is just the arrogant behaviour of people with inflated egos.

So, I would suggest that instead of whining over who claims what, one could just move on and let others have their fun as well... Like, say, civilised people do it all the time.

~ Ministry for ooc affairs and friendly rants


well said. no more stupid claims then AMF

well said. no more stupid claims then AMF

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