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Dr_Twist Aircraft Manufacturing planes are over run with orders for new Planes. We have a 400 Billion Contact up for grabs for more Cargo planes, The Bigger, Faster the better.

Allies will be given preference. Modern Tech only.

$200 Billion contact still up for grabs to build C-5 Galaxy Cargo planes.

The USSNR wishes to help out in any way possible.

Well come on then show me your planes and Prices, Come on people i need these planes asap.

Bump, come on i need large Cargo planes.

Sukhoi SuC2;

SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 141 ft. 2 in.
Length: 117 ft. 5 in.
Height: 38 ft. 4 in.
Weight: 153,000 lbs. normal max.
Armament: None
Engines: Four Pharo 3500s of 3,500 hp. ea. and Two Model 47s of 5,970 lbs. thrust each
Cost: $1,200,000

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 400 mph.
Cruising speed: 230 mph.
Normal Range: 2,300 miles
Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft.

some glitches to work out. this is a one time offer.

Sukhoi SuC2;

SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 141 ft. 2 in.
Length: 117 ft. 5 in.
Height: 38 ft. 4 in.
Weight: 153,000 lbs. normal max.
Armament: None
Engines: Four Pharo 3500s of 3,500 hp. ea. and Two Model 47s of 5,970 lbs. thrust each
Cost: $1,200,000

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 400 mph.
Cruising speed: 230 mph.
Normal Range: 2,300 miles
Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft.

some glitches to work out. this is a one time offer.

Sorry we need massive Cargo planes, for carrying tanks and Heavy Equipment. Come on i have 400 Billion to spend and no one wants the contract.

:arrow:

Sukhoi SuC2;

SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 141 ft. 2 in.
Length: 117 ft. 5 in.
Height: 38 ft. 4 in.
Weight: 153,000 lbs. normal max.
Armament: None
Engines: Four Pharo 3500s of 3,500 hp. ea. and Two Model 47s of 5,970 lbs. thrust each
Cost: $1,200,000

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 400 mph.
Cruising speed: 230 mph.
Normal Range: 2,300 miles
Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft.

some glitches to work out. this is a one time offer.

Sorry we need massive Cargo planes, for carrying tanks and Heavy Equipment. Come on i have 400 Billion to spend and no one wants the contract.

how big?

AN-225. LARGEST PLANE IN RL EXISTANCE

Antonov 225 Technical description :
Antonov An-225-
Heavy-lift transport (Schwerlasttransporter)
Country (Land)
Ukraine (formerly USSR)

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General (Allgemeine Angaben)
Crew (Besatzung): 6 (pilot, co-pilot, two flight engineers, navigator, communications specialist) plus loadmaster
Passengers (Passagiere): Room for 60 - 70 people in cabin behind wing carry-through
Cargo (Fracht): Limit for single external item is 200 tons. Loads of up to 70 m length and 10 m diameter are possible on the back of the fuselage.
Power plant (Antrieb): 6 x Progress D-18T Series 3 turbofans
Power (Leistung): 6 x 229 kN (51590 lbs)


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Dimensions (Abmessungen)
Length (Länge): 84,00 m
Height (Höhe): 18,20 m
Span (Spannweite): 88,40 m
Wing area (Flgelfläche): 905 sq m
Max. cargo compartment height (Frachtraumhöhe): 4,4 m
Max. width at floor (Breite): 6,4 m
Cargo compartment length (Frachtraumälnge): 43,0 m


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Weights (Massen)
Max. payload (Nutzlast): 250000 kg
Fuel (Kraftstoff): more than 300 000 kg
Max. take-off weigth (max. Startmasse): 600000 kg

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Performance (Flugleistungen)
Cruise speed (Reisegeschwindigkeit): 800 - 850 km/h
Required field length (Startstrecke): 3000 - 3500 m
Range (Reichweite):
- 4500 km with 200 tons internal cargo
- 9600 km with 100 tons internal cargo
- 15400 km with maximum fuel

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Customers (Kunden)
Only one An-225 was built for the transport of the Buran space shuttle and other outsize caro loads.

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Competition (Konkurrenz)
None. The An-225 is far and away the largest and heaviest aircraft ever built, surpassing even the An-124 and Lockheeds C-5 Galaxy.

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Remarks (Bemerkungen)
Because available aircraft like the An-22 and the Myasishchev M-4 (VM-T) were too small, Antonow got an order to build a new transport for the carriage of outsize loads, namely the Russian space shuttle orbiter Buran and associated rocket stages.
A logical starting point was the An-124. Antonows designers stretched the fuselage, eliminated the rear cargo doors to save weight and fitted twin fins to avoid airflow problems with external loads. Also, a new wing centre section was built, with an additional two engines. The main landing gear got additional wheels.

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History (Geschichte)
Design studies for the the An-225 started in mid-1985.
The An-225 was rolled-out at Kiew in December 1988 and flew for the first time an the 21st of the month. The crew included Alexander Galunenko (pilot), Sergei Grbik (copilot) and Alexander Shileshchenko (flight engineer).
On 22 March 1989, the aircraft set a total of 106 world and class records, with a payload of 156 tons. The first flight with the Buran on the back took place on 13 May 1989, from Baikonur. The next month, the An-225/Buran was the star at the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget.
With the end of the Buran programme, the only aircraft built was stored at Kiew from about 1994. By that time it had made 347 flights and 200 flight hours. Certification trials were finished about 90 per cent.
From time to time, there were efforts to bring the An-225 back in operation for worldwide outsize cargo operations. These then led to the refurbishment of the sole An-225 from automn 2000, with new avionics (Honeywell) and modified engines to lower noise levels. Price for the work is said to be 20 million US-Dollars, paid by Antonow and engine maker Motor-Sich.
The An-225 flew again on 7 May 2001 from Gostomel airfield. This was later then first thought (February). The first sortie lasted 30 minutes. After a few further flights, it is expected that the aircraft will appear at the Le Bourget Air Show in June. Service entry with Antonov airlines could be by the end of the year. There are also plans to complete the second An-225, which was partly finished when work stopped in 1994.
The An-225's plans were purchased from the Air Foyle company, who uses the Antonov 225 currently. Massive assembly lines have been created in the raw material-rich nation of Communist Rule.

I have 400 Billion to spend i would to to spread it across 2 Aircrafts, the AN-225 and the C5 Galaxy, $200 Billion per plane, if you can offer both planes you will receive both contracts.

So many planes can i get for $200 Billion since i am ordering in Bulk?

I should note the An-225 is more powerful and larger than the C-5.

But if you DID spend 200 billion on my planes. (Spend 400, really.. AN-225s are so much better.) you would get 600 planes.

I should note the An-225 is more powerful and larger than the C-5.

But if i cover 2 types of planes and have to ground 1 type of some reason i still have 1 lot of cargo planes to use.

But its not like you only have one plane each. You have FLEETS of them.

But its not like you only have one plane each. You have FLEETS of them.

Yes but if there is something major wrong, we would ground the whole fleet to make sure they are all right and don't have the same issues. Sorry Dr_Twist Policy.

And if we need to start mobilizing for war we would have a whole grounded fleet.

-sigh- Fine. For 200 billion you get 600 planes. Deal?

By the way, the C-5 is antiquated. Pilots fear it.

-sigh- Fine. For 200 billion you get 600 planes. Deal?

By the way, the C-5 is antiquated. Pilots fear it.

Order Confirmed. $200 Billion has been wired to your account.

I should note the An-225 is more powerful and larger than the C-5.

But if i cover 2 types of planes and have to ground 1 type of some reason i still have 1 lot of cargo planes to use.

Personally I'd go with a mix of An 124 and An 225 planes... The An 124 is larger then the C-5 and carries a heavier load.

PelicanULTRA (Ultra Large Transport Aircraft) WIG craft

The first reports of the PelicanULTRA were originally distributed over 40 NS years ago but it is only in the interim strong concentrations on high-torque and hp engines (and in synthetic, advanced materials) that the design was able to, literally, "get off of the ground."

In other aeronautics news, a massive, ground-effect transporter is on the boards of GIAI planners, called the "Pelican," this massive plane would be able to air-lift large loads across oceans or continents at only a few meters above the surface, thus exploiting the "ground effect" that provides low-flying craft with an air cushion that cuts down on the required fuel loads for such a craft, which can fly at hundreds of miles an hour.

Outline of final specs.
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- PelicanULTRA WIG craft
About 2-3 RL months in the making (see my tech thread), it's coming out IG now). Can carry over a dozen tanks plus a great deal of supplies. Slow plane and vulnerable to enemy craft, but a few will move forces relatively quickly in comparison to ships. The draw back is the need for prepared run-way that can manage the great mass of the plane and cargo. Long range thanks to WIG effect. To go on sale, expensive as hell (about as much as a boat with equivalent storage capacity, a deal when time is considered), but worth it.
A smaller version of the Pelican, the Albatross, is in the works as well. All patented WA tech, design, and concept.

UPDATE: PDE technology has allowed the Pelican to greatly increase its range and top speed. The following specs are representative of that improvement.

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FINAL PELICAN ULTRA SPECIFICATIONS
Title: C-200 PelicanULTRA (Ultra Large TRansport Aircraft)

Crew and Passengers:
Crew Break-down
1-3 Flight Control Officers (FCO,Pilots)

1-3 Flight Control Personnel (FCP, Co-pilots)

1-2 Communication Systems Officer (CSO)

1-2 Defensive Systems Officer (DSO)

4 Cargo Master Chiefs

(Note: Cargo Master Chiefs can double-duty as the CSO and DSO, often they switch off duties on long flights. There is only 1 FCO and 1 FCP on-duty at any one time. The number of redundant personnel is determined by the profile of the flight mission. Longer flights use 2 FCO/FCP personnel while an around-the-world flight might take 6 such personnel.)

Total Crew:
8-14 (depending on mission length and demands)
In-Cabin Passenger Capacity: 9-15 (depending on mission length and crew demands)

Dimensions:
-----Length: ~400 ft (121.9m)
-----Breadth (wingspan): 500 ft (152.4m)
-----Wing Surface area: over 1 acre (4,047 m2 / 43,561.5 ft2)

Engines:
4, 80,000hp turbine (turboprop) engines (which are more efficient than standard jet engines). Use 50ft diameter, 8-bladed, counter-rotating propellers (4 at each of 2 levels) and PDE technology improvements.

Speed:
Official Max: 360 mph
Estimated Max (breaking point): 375+ mph
Cruising Speed (optimal): 320-340 mph

Mass:
Unloaded, Fully Fueled: 3.2 million pounds
Fully Loaded, Fully Fueled: 6 million pounds
Maximum Allowable Gross Weight (*ultimate safety margin*): 6.05 million pounds

Range:
One-way, unrefueled:
Official: 16,000mi (full load, at WIG altitudes); Estimated Real: 20,000+ mi
Official: 22,000mi (1.5 million pounds, at WIG altitudes); Estimated Real: 25,000mi

One-way, with added fuel capacity (reduces cargo load on upper deck significantly):
Official: 24,000 mi (full load, at WIG altitudes); Estimated Real: 28,000+ mi

One-way, with in-flight refueling:
"Unlimited"

Fuel Source
Current models depend on Hydrocarbon-combustion fuels but future models will utilize a mix of hydrogen-derived power for the main engines and some hydrocarbon fuel for the integrated PDEs. It is possible to employ a nuclear powerplant in the place of the hydrogen fuel cells but that is not to be included in Western Asia due to environmental concerns.

Cargo Capacity:
-----Carrying Capacity: 2.8 Million pounds (1,400 tons) of cargo.
-----Storage Area: 2 decks with a combined area of 29,000 sq ft
-----Cargo Equivalent: About 180 standard 8X8X20 cargo containers or 17 Abrams M1A1s and numerous containers or equivalent load.

Cargo Lift Comparisons:
- The PelicanULTRA bears up to 5x the capacity of the Antonov 225, with twice the external dimensions;
- One Pelican would require only six sorties to deliver an army mechanised infantry battalion;
- In a single sortie it could deliver an air and missile defence umbrella of one Patriot air-defence system and one Theater High-Altitude Area Defense battery. In comparison, 27 C-17 Globemaster III strategic transport aircraft sorties are needed to transport one Patriot battery alone.

Defensive Systems:
- "Short-Stop" ECM system (3 units aboard);
- Flares and Chaff distribution systems;
- Simple ECM systems to counter detection and targeting efforts;
- Several points for AN/AAQ-24 (V) NEMESIS Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM) systems;
- (on WA militarized versions, optional) Enhanced EW/ECM systems;
- (on WA militarized versions, optional) Launchable IR and wide-spectrum decoys;
- (on WA militarized versions, optional) 6, MDG-351 35mm "Millennium Gun" stations, located along the top of the craft and programmed to avoid the wings and the rest of the craft;
- (on WA militarized versions, optional) 4, Sea Sparrow defensive missile batteries, streamlined into the top deck of the craft.

(NOTE: Version with Sea Sparrow and Millennium Gun batteries (and the Enhanced EW/ECM systems) is known as the "MC-200 ‘Angry Pelican’")

Functional Altitudes:
Functions in the WIG (ground-effect) range of 20-50ft (wing-tip to seasurface, in WIG zone) or up to about 20,000 ft. A high degree of automatization and a large number of sensors (including long-range surface radar and FLIR systems) are required for the PelicanULTRA

Functionality of Use:
Unlike[/u] the Soviet ekranoplan, the PelicanULTRA doesn't require any heavy plating and can land well inland at friendly bases. Paved and decently-supported runways are a MUST, since the gross load can reach up to 6 million pounds at take off (less in landing). In extensive studies, the load and wearing effects of landing a PelicanULTRA is not significantly different from those wearing and load effects caused by an equivalent-capacity landing by an appropriate number of smaller heavy-lift craft.

The farthest half of the outer wing sections are folded up 90° before landings and after lift-off (or the tips would contact the ground). The outer wing sections (outer 2/5, 1/5 on each side) can completely fold up fully for ease of maneuvering in airports and during storage. To off-load cargo, the massive nose section of the plane is lifted by the use of tremendous motored hinges. Trained crews only need 3h after it lands to unload its cargo and prepare it for takeoff.

The PelicanULTRA uses reverse-thrusting as featured in the C-17 to make the runway length demands insignificant in comparison to other heavy-lift aircraft operating under normal conditions (It would require only 2,164m of runway space). Most civilian "international" and "national" airports have the capacity to support a PelicanULTRA. The Pelican uses 38 fuselage-mounted landing gears with a total of 76 tires to distribute its weight over a wide area.

Sights of the PelicanUltra
Over Calm Seas (http://www.aviationnow.com/content/ncof/images/aw1659.jpg)

Costs:
[i]Developmental Costs:
$13 billion in final development stages (including testing, improvements, and force integration measures).
Total program development cost: $120bn to date (over 40 years, 5/6 of funds spent in last 15 years of development, includes the cost of acquiring and integrating current fielded and planned units).

Foreign-Entity Unit Acquisition Costs (production and sale, not total development unit cost)
C-200A PelicanULTRA: $340-400M
CM-200 "Angry Pelican": $355-410M (limited distribution)
NOTE: Price variants are based upon order size and ongoing business relations. Due to the nature of the PelicanULTRA as a civilian-type cargo transporter, it is not a military purchase unless specifically bought by the military. Sale to private trade organizations and companies is accepted though some limitations might be placed against certain groups or nations at the pleasure of the USWA Congress and Foreign Exports Control Board.

Unit Inventory in Western Asia
Military:
NOTE: Includes those units available to Delta Triumvirate on an ‘On-call’ basis. Numbers in parenthesis indicate 10-year acquisition goal.
C-200A PelicanULTRA: 38 active units (50, longer term acquisition goals under evaluation)
CM-200 "Angry Pelican": 4 active units (6)

Other Governmental/Paragovernmental:
C-200A PelicanULTRA: 3 (2 Magen David Adom, 1 various uses)

Civilian (commercially-held):
NOTE: These units could be pressed into military service with the civil air reserve.
C-200A PelicanULTRA: 8 (various uses)

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Try that on for size. NOTE: this is a copy of a post from november, so most acquisition goals have now been met...and the dates are set back a good bit.

Um, ill give you C5 Galaxys if you want, but You'd be better off with these guys.
500 Planes for
200Billion?

I should note the An-225 is more powerful and larger than the C-5.

But if i cover 2 types of planes and have to ground 1 type of some reason i still have 1 lot of cargo planes to use.

Personally I'd go with a mix of An 124 and An 225 planes... The An 124 is larger then the C-5 and carries a heavier load.

Well, he said he needed massive. I provided.

OOC: any response to the PelicanULTRAs?

OCC: sorry forgot about this thread.

Intresting plane there Western Asia, got any pics?

OOC: Yes, there is some image Linkage (http://www.aviationnow.com/content/ncof/images/aw1659.jpg).