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The guards outside the Presidential Palace stood firm and tall. Security around the Presidential Palace was tight, even by Taiwan's standards. Passerbys would think it was preparations for war even. Still, at least the diplomats arriving from Western Asia and Al Anbar would feel safe from protesters and from each other.

As for the matter of protesters - there was a massive turnout not seen since the days of cecession from the mainland. A group of Taiwanese-Al Anbar citizens protested against "The Zionist Entity" stood to the right of the building and were gradually being pushed back by police from meeting with the Western Asian protesters, yelling for military intervention on behalf of Kuwait. A third group of Kuwaitis staged a peaceful protest on the other side of the building, attracting less controversy but the same amount of attention.

Bodyguards and policemen hurried to guard the doors as Annette Lu, Vice President of Taiwan stepped outside into the media limelight and the rapidly flashing lights of cameras. In the distance, Ms Lu looked as three limosines, flanked by half a dozen police cars moved through the street towards the Presidential Palace. Fortunately for the diplomats from both nations, police buses drove into place, blocking the foreign represenatives from seeing the protesters.

The diplomats alighted as their limosines parked next to the Palace. Annette Lu stood on the pavillion next to the steps with a look on her face that meant she was serious. She greeted the foreign representatives.

"Good evening, esteemed guests to Taiwan. My name is Lu."

While not having diplomats located in Taipei, Daylam has recognized Al-Anbar's right to represent the Theocracy of Daylam in these particular negociations.

As the limosine carrying the diplomatic staff from Al Anbar, six out of the twenty two that arrived on the plane from Al Anbar, stopped in front of the Presidential Palace, Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz stepped out of the rearmost Palace-facing door. As he got out of his limosine, he saw the perfect opportunity for a PR stunt.

Instead of heading over to the Vice President of Taiwan, Aziz and his staff moved over to rightside of the building, where pro-Iraqi demonstrators were. He shook hands with several of the demonstrators, who sandwiched the Taiwanese police between Aziz's group and the pro-Iraqi demonstrators. One of the staff members of Aziz's group quickly produced a small, digital camera and took several snapshots of Aziz shaking hands with the demostrators.

He spoke to some of the demonstrators for a few minutes before waving to them and heading over to the Vice President.

Extending his hand, "It is nice to meet you, Vice President. I am Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz."

Permission for RF to watch over the negotiations.

The convoy of Western Asian cars, armored BMW sedans and Landrovers, pulled up to the receiving area. The team of twelve negotiatiors and some thirty security personnel spread out in the receiving area and the negotiators moved towards the building along with a team of ten of the body guards, who placed themselves at the entrance of the building as the delegates entered.

One of the senior personnel remained outside to speak to the assembled press and crowds...accompanied by some four bodyguards of his own.

The man, in his late fifties with some graying hair, clearly of Near Eastern descent, steps up to the assembly of still and video cameras, microphones and tape recorders held aloft like some wild tree made of human limbs and he begins to speak.

"I bring greetings from the government of Western Asia. I am Jonah Sheetrit. I have been a senior officer in the Western Asian State Department for over twenty years assigned to Pacific Rim political issues and negotiations and I am the senior Western Asian delegate at these negotiations. My fellow head delegates include a member of the Ministry of Defense and a retired member of the Western Asian Senate who is the current Governor of the Western Asian province which includes a handful of Pacific Islands.

"We look forward to a peaceful resolution to the violence and threats that Al Anbar began with their unlawful invasion of United Kurdistan, the Shiite state, and Kuwait. Let me be clear: we will hold them to the agreements they have signed with us that prevent them from so much as threatening these territories...they will not remove these peoples' freedom. They will have their liberty and we expect the Al Anbaris to return what they have stolen, to compensate for what they have destroyed, and to pay remunerations for the worries, problems, and disturbances they have created.

"You must remember: It is Al Anbar that was the agressor, it was Al Anbar that has murdered thousands of innocents, and it is Al Anbar that is negotiating to save itself from the justified wrath that its behavior has brought down upon it. It is Al Anbar that will have to provide concessions at this meeting...this is not a meeting of equals and Western Asia's assurances will be those of maintaining the peace and security that Al Anbar has assaulted.

"Thank you. Are there any questions?"

Permission for RF to watch over the negotiations.

Al Anbar refuses to have any third parties to watch or participate in the negotiations.

Western Asia would like to encourage any and all parties with a serious claim of interests in this issue to have at least the right to observe the proceedings, or we will simply release our copies of the minutes to those that would wish to understand the maneuverings.

The ATA Empire askes permission to have Air Patrol while the meeting is being held.

We wish that you reconsider Al Anbar. Do you want peace or what?

The ATA Empire askes permission to have Air Patrol while the meeting is being held.

OOC: Jeez people. This is between me and WA only. There is a reason it says (closed) in the topic. Thankyouverymuch.

The ATA Empire askes permission to have Air Patrol while the meeting is being held.

OOC: Jeez people. This is between me and WA only. There is a reason it says (closed) in the topic. Thankyouverymuch.

OCC: But i have participation in this crisis. Doesn't that give me rights?

The ATA Empire askes permission to have Air Patrol while the meeting is being held.

OOC: Jeez people. This is between me and WA only. There is a reason it says (closed) in the topic. Thankyouverymuch.

OCC: But i have participation in this crisis. Doesn't that give me rights?

OOC: No, it doesn't. Go read the other thread where _Taiwan posted the link to this thread. It says that it is between me and WA only. No one else bothered to post earlier, so you all missed out.

The ATA Empire askes permission to have Air Patrol while the meeting is being held.

OOC: Jeez people. This is between me and WA only. There is a reason it says (closed) in the topic. Thankyouverymuch.

OCC: But i have participation in this crisis. Doesn't that give me rights?

OOC: No, it doesn't. Go read the other thread where _Taiwan posted the link to this thread. It says that it is between me and WA only. No one else bothered to post earlier, so you all missed out.

Very well. then, my apology

OOC: Here's the quote:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2735082

OOC: Ok guys, here's the negotiation thread. Of course, no one else sent diplomats so it's for WA and AA only.

OOC: RF, you will be sent copies of the minutes of the negotiations so that your people are kept up to date...but this will not be part of the RP'd negotiations.

ATA...asking to run CAPs over a diplomatic meeting? Please.

The protesters cheer wildly while Aziz shakes their hands and poses for the camera. A small group soon begin chanting pro-Saddam slogan loudly. The hundred-odd Chinese liberals among the crowd wave Iraqi flags and join in, abeit in Chinese.

"I am equally pleased to meet you Minister Aziz." Lu said, trying not to appear cold. "It is good that you have arrived."

Four bodyguards encircle Lu and Aziz, and they begin making their way up the marble stairs into the Presidential Palace. Another highly ranked official meets Aziz at the door of the palace and extends his hand.

"Good evening dear Deputy Prime Minister. My name is Zhang. I am a General in the Republic of Taiwan Army."

Zhang motions to the guards, who promptly open the doors.
"Shall we take our seats now?"

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As Jonah Sheetrit walked onto the stage, the anti-Western Asian protesters (who outnumber the pro-Western Asia group 3 to 1) begin shouting slogans. "Murderer!" someone in the crowd shouts in Chinese. From another area in the crowd, an Israeli flag is lifted into the air and set alight, cheering.

A reporter with a Apple Daily, a Hong Kong based Liberal paper, was one of the fastest with her hand shouts out. "Mr Sheetrit, How can you justify the heavy military presence bordering Al Anbar when they have already withdrawn from Al Anbar?"

Meanwhile, the protesters become increasingly rowdy. The buses blocking the way between Sheetrit and the protesters was being knocked around like a toy. It would not take much more before it rolled over. A dozen policemen take up positions and arm themselves with tear gas.

Aziz smiles as he walks up the steps of the palace. As the guard opens the door, Aziz turns around, facing the crowds that had gathered for Al Anbar. For a moment he watches them, smiling, before waving his fist in the air and then going inside the building.

His staff follows behind him quietly. Aziz follows closely at the side of the Vice President.


(OOC: YAY, RIOT! :D)

As Jonah Sheetrit walked onto the stage, the anti-Western Asian protesters (who outnumber the pro-Western Asia group 3 to 1) begin shouting slogans. "Murderer!" someone in the crowd shouts in Chinese. From another area in the crowd, an Israeli flag is lifted into the air and set alight, cheering.

A reporter with a Apple Daily, a Hong Kong based Liberal paper, was one of the fastest with her hand shouts out. "Mr Sheetrit, How can you justify the heavy military presence bordering Al Anbar when they have already withdrawn from Al Anbar?"

Meanwhile, the protesters become increasingly rowdy. The buses blocking the way between Sheetrit and the protesters was being knocked around like a toy. It would not take much more before it rolled over. A dozen policemen take up positions and arm themselves with tear gas.

Sheetrit turns to the reporter, "I'll assume you mean their patrial withdrawl from Kuwait?

"Well, at this time, Al Anbar maintains a sizable force of infantry within the cities of Kuwait and most of the movement was into Kuwaiti metropolitans rather than out of the country. Intelligence gathered by Western Asia has also indicated that Al Anbar has placed charges on Kuwaiti civilian oil stations and at electrical transmission stations. I fail to see how Kuwait can be considered to be 'free' when it is still occupied by Al Anbar."

Sheetrit begins to speak up as the rowdy crowd heckles him.

"As for the military presence along Al Anbar's borders, it is mostly for the defense of our nation and of Al Anbar's neighbors. As you may have heard, Al Anbar has been shelling Kurdish towns for days at a time and hundreds of thousands of Kurdish civilians are crowded near the borders with Western Asia. As it is, Al Anbar has had no rightful claim to either these Kurdish zones or to the Shiite zones in the south.

"We released the satellite imagery that revealed Al Anbar's assassination of the Kurdish civilian and military leadership a few days ago and since that time, Kurdish forces of United Kurdistan have been putting up a valiant fight. The Shiites in the south have also been under harsh assault from Saddam's forces and we've heard reports of over a million civillian Shiites being slain, in addition to almost five thousand Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and fourteen thousand Kurdish civilians.

"Al Anbar continues to occupy these independent states and to slay the innocents there. Until Al Anbar holds by its previous agreements with Western Asia to refrain from threatening its neighbords, we must maintain our forces to let them know that the rest of the Near East will not be bullied by Saddam's thugs.

"Is there anything else you'd like to ask about?"

OOC: Deedum. I hate propaganda. I'm going to have to start my own propaganda service in order to combat yours. hrm.

I'd also like to know something. 'United Kurdistan' never controlled Iraqi Kurdistan. It was always controlled by the PUK and KDP, led by Jalal Talabani and Barazani respectively. So, how are United Kurdistan putting up resistance when they never owned the provinces? :P

Another reporter, this time quite a big fellow, raises his hand. In a deep voice, he asks Sheetrit another question. The crowd of reporters are starting to be dispersed now by police, as the mob of protesters come closer.

"How does Western Asia plan to cope with the refugee influx? In case of war, are there any plans for post-war Al Anbar?" he says before being led away by police.

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General Zhang leads past the Parliamentary debating chamber and the kitchen. The hallway is decorated with paintings of past prime ministers - Sun Yet Sen, Chiang Kai Shek to name a few.

"This is the debating chamber on your left there. The kitchen is on your right." Zhang says as the two of them, flanked by bodyguards, walked towards the specially prepared meeting room.

As they enter into the "Sun Yat Sen" room, General Zhang points at a row of sapphire colored chairs.

"Deputy PM Aziz, these are your seats." Zhang says with a bow. "I take it Ms Lu will be leading the Western Asian representatives in shortly."

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Annette Lu returns to her position outside the Presidential Palace. She brushed her hair back and took another look at her clothing to make herself look neat.

Police fire tear gas into the ravaging mass of protesters. One of the buses had been overturned, with the protesters now throwing rocks and anything they could get their hands on at the police.

Aziz and his team nodded courteously as the Vice President left them. He had not had anything to eat in a while, but he overcame his hunger and went into the debating room. His team followed behind him.

Taking a deep breathe, Aziz went over to a chair at one of the ends of the table. He sat down, and so did his group. He chatted with them quietly about the crowds and other non-important things.

OOC: Deedum. I hate propaganda. I'm going to have to start my own propaganda service in order to combat yours. hrm.

I'd also like to know something. 'United Kurdistan' never controlled Iraqi Kurdistan. It was always controlled by the PUK and KDP, led by Jalal Talabani and Barazani respectively. So, how are United Kurdistan putting up resistance when they never owned the provinces? :P

OOC: UK rp'd the position as a political overstructure that was formulated by the PUK, KDP, and other parties as a means of formalizing Kurdish statehood...and it was widely accepted. So they'd be putting up resistance because they /include/ all of the Kurdish militias.

ICish:

Another reporter, this time quite a big fellow, raises his hand. In a deep voice, he asks Sheetrit another question. The crowd of reporters are starting to be dispersed now by police, as the mob of protesters come closer.

"How does Western Asia plan to cope with the refugee influx? In case of war, are there any plans for post-war Al Anbar?" he says before being led away by police.

"First allow me to comment upon the idea of a "post-war Al Anbar." I think you misunderstand our intentions. We have not planned to invade Al Anbar, only to drive them out of the territories they've seized...if there is any territorial gain in Western Asia's response then we expect that either the areas that were victim to Al Anbar's agressions will receive them or they'd be used as negotiating chips for post-war settlements...but this isn't my job. I'm not involved with the military aspects of the negotiations although I can assure you that such matters will be covered.

"Western Asia will do its best to ensure the safety and health of any refugees...ummm, I think it's time that we move this matter inside."

Sheetrit makes his way towards the entrance of the building...his body guards leading the way as the Taipei PD seeks to control the growing crowds and the growing possibility of a riot.

As he pushes his way through the mass of human bodies, his shoulder is tugged at to by what he believes to be a reporter. As he turns to face the person, he catches a glimpse of a gun in his peripheral vision as a Taiwanese man pulls it from a coat pocket.

The bodyguards, too, have spotted the weapon and now dive and shout to protect Sheetrit...but it is almost too late. The man fires off four shots from his small revolver...two shots hit one of the bodyguards as a third grazes the lucky Jonah and as the fourth is fired into the air as the man is tackled by Taipei's Finest.

The crowd disperses at the sound of gunfire and camera crews rush to capure the scene.a

The gun-toting protester is quickly subdued by police nearby, while a medical team rushes towards the bodyguard.
"Mr Sheetrit, have you been hurt?" They say, almost in unison.

The bodyguard is given 25ml of IV tramadol and bundled onto a strecher, where he is taken by a few members of the medical team to a nearby ambulance. Blood is all over the courtyard, and most of the protesters begin to back off after hearing the gunshots.

The would-be assasin, clearing a Taiwanese man, continues to yell obsenities and slogans. A dagger and fourteen spare rounds of ammunition were also found on him. Policeman handcuff him and inject him with tranquiliser. He would be interrogated soon, and charged with terrorism.

"God..." Lu thought. "What is Taiwan coming to?"
She rushed forward towards Sheetrit.

OOC: Deedum. I hate propaganda. I'm going to have to start my own propaganda service in order to combat yours. hrm.

I'd also like to know something. 'United Kurdistan' never controlled Iraqi Kurdistan. It was always controlled by the PUK and KDP, led by Jalal Talabani and Barazani respectively. So, how are United Kurdistan putting up resistance when they never owned the provinces? :P

OOC: UK rp'd the position as a political overstructure that was formulated by the PUK, KDP, and other parties as a means of formalizing Kurdish statehood...and it was widely accepted. So they'd be putting up resistance because they /include/ all of the Kurdish militias.

OOC: No, sorry. They don't. I control the PUK, KDP, and all the other minor Kurdish militias in Iraq. United Kurdistan controls -NOTHING- in Iraq. Get that into your mind. It's not a hard concept to understand. Everything that happens in Iraq is controlled by -me-. The Shi'ites are controlled by me and so are the Kurds, and I RP them according to their interests in the real world.

United Kurdistan neither owns or controls anything in Iraq. Get over it.

They can claim land and such, but it doesn't mean they control anything.

OOC: Really too tired for this, but Al Anbar...nobody appointed you god. You haven't RP'd the Shiites or Kurds according to their interests, history, or position.

You control jack shit, get that into your head. This is a game where others can be the enemy...I don't choose to have Al Anbar as a neighbor, but shite happens. Get over it.

(signing out 4 tonight. See you l8r)

OOC: Really too tired for this, but Al Anbar...nobody appointed you god. You haven't RP'd the Shiites or Kurds according to their interests, history, or position.

You control jack shit, get that into your head. This is a game where others can be the enemy...I don't choose to have Al Anbar as a neighbor, but shite happens. Get over it.

OOC: Indeed. I agree. I am not God. But, I have RPed them correctly. You should go read the other thread where I explained it to you.

And yes, I don't get to pick my neighbours. They live outside of Iraq. They control nothing of Iraq. Simple. Understand that or go to hell and leave me alone.

bump

(waiting for W.A)

The gun-toting protester is quickly subdued by police nearby, while a medical team rushes towards the bodyguard.
"Mr Sheetrit, have you been hurt?" They say, almost in unison.

The bodyguard is given 25ml of IV tramadol and bundled onto a strecher, where he is taken by a few members of the medical team to a nearby ambulance. Blood is all over the courtyard, and most of the protesters begin to back off after hearing the gunshots.

The would-be assasin, clearing a Taiwanese man, continues to yell obsenities and slogans. A dagger and fourteen spare rounds of ammunition were also found on him. Policeman handcuff him and inject him with tranquiliser. He would be interrogated soon, and charged with terrorism.

"God..." Lu thought. "What is Taiwan coming to?"
She rushed forward towards Sheetrit.

Sheetrit, with a long bloody scrape on his arm from the bullet, was a bit dazed..."Wha? Ah, I've been scratched but look to Michael...he was hurt defending me."

Sheetrit indicates one of his bodyguards, whose right upper arm is bleeding slightly from a bullet wound that went through some of the muscle, missing the bone and steering clear of any vital organs, and who is ripping off a bulletproof vest that quite clearly bears a hole over the center of the chest. Michael is fine, although he has had the wind knocked out of him by the experience. He utters a quick and silent personal prayer over the hole in his kevlar/silkarmor vest as the medics patch up his arm.

Sheetrit's arm is soon bandaged and after a short exam he moves to enter the building, his guards now clearly displaying their MicroTavors and scanning the crowd for more threats.

When some media crew pursue him with questions, his bodyguards push them away...one crew captures him saying "Our enemies will follow us even to here, attempting to kill us as we stand to seek peace."

"I'm very sorry about that Mr Sheetrit." Lu whispered. "If there's anything else our medical team can do don't hesitate to ask.

Lu leads Sheetrit into the palace and heads towards the Sun Yat Sen room, pointing out the features of the palace. When they arrive, Lu points to a row of seats reserved for the Western Asian ambassadors, and she takes her seat next to General Zhang.

"It is...a risk we take sometimes."

Sheetrit watches as the Taipei medical personnel rush his bodyguard off to the hospital. "Please take your best care of him."

As they enter the meeting hall, his fellow delegates are alarmed by his bloodied appearance and the bandages on his arm, they are disturbed by the news that he delivers to them quietly...their voices sometimes rising into heated words pushed between clenched teeth. The guards remain outside but now hold their weapons at ready, alert and patrolling for dangers.

OOC: meeting hall = the debating hall?

OOC: Why not. Waiting for _Taiwan's opening.

Aziz watches as the Western Asian delegates enter the debating hall. He does not get him at first, but just watches them carefully. He sees Sheetrit, who is bloody. He does not look amazed, but he is curious. After a few moments, Aziz finally stands and proceeds over to Sheetrit.

"I am Deputy Prime Minister Aziz," explains Tariq, pointing at the wound on Sheetrit's arm while smiling, "Have an accident?"

OOC: The Sun Yat Sen room, but why not.

Lu coughs slightly to indicate it was time to start. General Zhang sat next to her and fondled the OHP controls on his laptop. It was time to begin the meeting. Lu motioned, and the servants attending left the room.

"Good evening and welcome to Taipei. I think you already know why you are here. Before we get into the serious issues, are there any questions you would like to ask me?"

Aziz returns to his seat, and shakes his head after Lu asks her question.

"I do not have anything to ask at the moment." responded Aziz.

Aziz watches as the Western Asian delegates enter the debating hall. He does not get him at first, but just watches them carefully. He sees Sheetrit, who is bloody. He does not look amazed, but he is curious. After a few moments, Aziz finally stands and proceeds over to Sheetrit.

"I am Deputy Prime Minister Aziz," explains Tariq, pointing at the wound on Sheetrit's arm while smiling, "Have an accident?"

"Less than an accident, it seems, but the truth of the matter will be found soon enough."

Sheetrit cuts himself short as Lu calls the negotiations into session.

"Thank you. I would only like to enquire about the openness of these negotiations. There are many nations who have thrown their support behind the people and government of Western Asia who have some interest in the processions in this hall. As we might be representing some of their interests in these meetings, we would like official sanction to release the notes of these processions to select officials in these governments...although not to the media or general public at this time."

"An Adobe file transcript of our dialogue will be available for that purpose." General Zhang said as he set up the voice-recognition software on his laptop.

"Will that be all?" Lu said.

"Al Anbar objects to that. We believe that until this whole situation has been entirely defused and is past us, nothing from these meetings may be released." objects Aziz.

OOC: I'm not on that much tonight so just assume negotations have begun.

The OHP switches itself on, and a map of Kuwait is projected onto the screen for reference.

"Al Anbar objects to that. We believe that until this whole situation has been entirely defused and is past us, nothing from these meetings may be released." objects Aziz.

"We are here to defuse this situation in it's entirety." Lu snapped.

"Yes, I understand that. I just want to make sure that should... the negotiations proceed for an extended period of time, that each days events are not transmitted to other governments until the whole process is finished." explained Aziz!

"I find that acceptable, even though I'd rather this not take that long."

Lu chuckles coldly.

"Of course, of course." responded Aziz with a smile.

"If you will," Sheetrit begins, "either we will need to have more parties sitting at this table with us or we will need to release the minutes of our meetings to a select group of officials in allied nations. These nations have interests that need to be addressed in our discussions here and those interests cannot be dealt with unless these parties are aware of the ongoing debates. The terms of this conference as we understood them held that, as it was a closed meeting, some sharing of information with select allied leadership groups would be allowed."

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"Yes, and they will be released after we have come to an agreement. There was never a deal before we came to this conference that we would be releasing anything during the conference." responds Aziz, "Al Anbar also wishes one-on-one negotiating with Western Asia. We will accept no other late comers."

"Yes, and they will be released after we have come to an agreement. There was never a deal before we came to this conference that we would be releasing anything during the conference." responds Aziz, "Al Anbar also wishes one-on-one negotiating with Western Asia. We will accept no other late comers."

"Yes, and they will be released after we have come to an agreement. There was never a deal before we came to this conference that we would be releasing anything during the conference." responds Aziz, "Al Anbar also wishes one-on-one negotiating with Western Asia. We will accept no other late comers."

"I believe that this is a negotiation, Mr. Aziz, not your royal court. I ask the kind arbitrator to consider the Western Asian request that records be released to the hands of the negotiating parties as per the terms I suggested before. I would like you, Ms. Lu, to take this as a term of Western Asian participation in these negotiations."

Sheetrit looks to Lu for her response.

OOC: Edited, was too tired when posting before.

OOC: Ms Lu

"Perhaps a compromise will suffice - I propose we release summaries of daily briefings, with any objectionable or confidential material released later at the end of the negotations?"

"We will agree to that only if the summaries are edited and approved by both Al Anbar and the Western Asian delegation."

"This is an acceptable proposal to us."

Aziz smiled, "Very good. We have made our first move toward peace by agreeing on something. I hope the rest of our... meeting can go as smoothly."

"Shall we begin then," Lu says while clearing her throat.

"We would like to ask Al Anbar their reasons for the unprovoked and unlawful invasion of Kuwait."

Can this pleased we sped up a bit, i would like this issue over asap

OOC: Dr_twist, sorry but this might take a bit.

OCC: WA we are still waiting for a reply to our PM.....

OOC: I did last night.

OOC: I did last night.

OCC: if you did i didn't get it..... do it again now so i know what to do.

OOC: We need to speed this up. Pick a day and time and be on IRC or here and we must settle this or get it more or less done. I want to move on to other things. We can't keep going like this.

IC:

Aziz looked over to one of his aides, who placed his briefcase on the table, opened it, and took out some papers. Some bore the official seals of the Kuwaiti government, others the Al Anbar government. The aide handed them to Aziz.

"These documents, from both our intelligence agencies and from the Kuwaiti government archives proves that they were cooperating with foreign terrorist organizations, supporting organizations that were attempting to destroy the elected government of Al Anbar, and were against, drilling for oil underneath the agreed upon border." explains Aziz, who hands them to Ms. Lu.

" I do not believe that Kuwait would risk provoking a powerful neighbour by using terrorism, and the oil dispute not a valid reason for war."

"They did. For example, we captured two radio studios that were used to produce and transmit radio into Al Anbar from the 'Iraqi Freedom Front' and the Iraqi National Congress." explains Aziz, "These documents prove what I say. The equipment, manpower, and materials were captured. We had to neutralize the terrorist threat from these two groups and we did."

OOC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125271&highlight=

second post.

"Now, if Kuwait was to cease support of these terrorist groups, would your grievances be satisfied?"

"If Kuwait was to allow inspections of its oil infrastructure, and cease all support for these terrorist groups, I would have to answer yes."

"Now, as for the matter of compensation..."

Lu asks Zhang to take a document out of his suitcase.
OOC: Seeing as no one played Kuwait, does anyone know how much they lost?

"Al Anbar will not pay anything to the Kuwaiti government. They have time and time again assisted terrorists, cooperated with enemies of Al Anbar, and stolen our natural resources. If anything, they owe the Republic of Al Anbar."

A document containing losses relating to the war was handed to Aziz.

"Al Anbar launched an attack on Kuwait, causing damage to their infrastructure and severe losses to their military. This was not a justified war, and thus Al Anbar must pay for the damage."

Sheetrit leans forward to speak, "Ms. Lu, if you will, Western Asia has a list of complaints and conditions that we would like to present as a baseline for our negotiations with Al Anbar."

"Of course, feel free to speak."

"Thank you. Here is the list we have gathered to date." Sheetrit hands several copies to the arbitrating group and a number more to the assistants, who run these copies to the Al Anbari delegation.

The packets read as follows:
1) Al Anbar will immediately withdraw from Kuwait without further ado,
- a) This withdrawl will leave no Al Anbari troops in Kuwait. In their place will be Western Asian or neutral party (ie, Menelmacari) peace-keepers,
- b) Al Anbar will not sabotague any Kuwaiti oil, civil, and/or military infrastructure and will disable any pyrotechnical devices placed on such infrastructure,
- c) Al Anbar will repair damages done to Kuwaiti oil, civil, and/or military infrastructure and will pay remuneration appropriate to the damages incurred by Kuwait during the illegal Al Anbari invasion, assault, and occupation.
- d) Al Anbar will agree to repay the Kuwaiti government and people for all financial and economic damages resulting from the Al Anbari invasion,
- e) Al Anbar will pay funds to the families of the thousands upon thousands of Kuwaitis slain by Al Anbari forces, whether these persons were civilians, governmental officials, or soldiers in the Kuwaiti armed forces,
- f) Al Anbar will return all seized or stolen goods to Kuwait and its peoples, including but not limited to military hardware, personal vehicles, jewlery, financial documents, oil products, industrial equipment, and reserve notes of credit,
- g) Al Anbar will renounce all claims to Kuwait and agrees to never again threaten or harrass the government or people of Kuwait in any manner.

2) Al Anbar will agree to withdraw from the territory in the Kurdish and Shiite zones occupied by Al Anbar's military forces. As a part of this withdrawl,
- a) Al Anbar will dismantle all Al Anbari paramilitary and proxy forces in these sectors,
- b) Al Anbar will pay reparations to the families of hundreds of thousands of Kurds slain by Al Anbari forces for their losses,
- c) Al Anbar will pay for the return and reorientation of several hundred thousand Kurdish and Shiite refugees who are currently residing in neighboring friendly countries and territories,
- d) This withdrawl will leave no Al Anbari troops in these territories. In their place will be Western Asian, WA-aligned, or neutral party peace-keepers,
- e) Al Anbar will not sabotague any local infrastructure and will disable any pyrotechnical devices placed on such infrastructure,
- c) Al Anbar will repair damages done to local oil, civil, and military infrastructure and will pay remuneration appropriate to the damages incurred by the people and governments of these areas during the illegal Al Anbari invasion, assault, and occupation.
- d) Al Anbar will agree to repay the local governments and people for all financial and economic damages resulting from the Al Anbari invasion,
- e) Al Anbar will pay funds to the families of the thousands upon thousands of Kurds and Shiites slain by Al Anbari forces, whether these persons were civilians, governmental officials, or soldiers in the armed forces,
- f) Al Anbar will return all seized or stolen goods to the Kurdish and Shiite governments and their peoples, including but not limited to military hardware, personal vehicles, jewlery, financial documents, oil products, industrial equipment, and reserve notes of credit,
- g) Al Anbar will renounce all claims to the Kurdish and Shiite zones and agrees to never again threaten or harrass the government or people of these zones in any manner,
- h) Al Anbar will immediately cease impersonating the rightful leaders of these people and will not falsely claim to control any local armed forces,
- i) Al Anbar will accept full responsibility and fault for the slaying of several dozen Kurdish leaders and will pay no less than $2.8bn USD in remunerations for the loss of these persons alone.

3) Furthermore, Al Anbar will agree to the following,
- a) Al Anbar will pay reparations to Western Asia and its allies for costs incurred due to the Al Anbari military build up and offensives,
- b) Al Anbar will agree to never again threaten Western Asia or its allies in any manner, including but not limited to:
- - i) Supporting, harboring, or providing any refuge to terrorist groups or non-governmental parties in opposition to these governments;
- - ii) Threatening or opposing the government or people of Western Asia or any of these powers by issued statements, media broadcasts, military build ups, or by the support of enemies of these powers;
- - iii) Making technological upgrades to its military forces that are clearly designed with Western Asia or its allies in mind, such as weaponry specifically suited to the purpose of assaulting specific weapons systems employed by any of these powers;
- c) Al Anbar will cut its military to less than 2 million total personnel and 200,000 combatants of all sorts.
- d) Al Anbar will limit its armored forces to no more than 4,200 MBTs of all sorts and 5,000 APCs, LAVs, or IFVs (combined) of all sorts,
- e) Al Anbar will limit its artillery companies to no more than 240 artillery units of any sort,
- f) Al Anbar will limit its aerial forces (no matter the organization in command) to no more than 240 fixed-wing combat or combat-support aircraft, 90 rotary-wing aircraft, and 40 cargo transport aircraft,
- g) Al Anbar will limit its ballistic missiles to a maximum range capability (at full fuel and range ability) of no more than 240km,
- h) Any Al Anbari military personnel, vehicles, and related equipment that must be removed from the Al Anbari military rolls under these guidelines must be permanently removed, accordingly:
- - i) All over-run vehicles will be made unsuitable for any future combat,
- - ii) All over-run personnel (except for a police force numbering less than 20,000 personnel in total) must be retired without further ties to the military and their personal military weapons removed and destroyed,
- - iii) All over-run aircraft must be made incapable of flight and incapable of being repaired for flight,
- - iv) All excess materials and spare parts from the scrapped fleets of vehicles and weapons must be made permanently non-functional.

4) Al Anbar will never again oppose, threaten, harrass, or seek to defame or otherwise cause harm to Western Asia, its government, its people, or its interests at home and abroad.

5) Al Anbar will never oppose, threaten, harrass, or seek to defame or otherwise cause harm to Western Asia's allies, their government, their people, or their interests at home and abroad.

6) Al Anbar will never oppose, threaten, harrass, or seek to defame or otherwise cause harm to Coalition Member states*, their government, their people, or their interests at home and abroad.

7) Al Anbar's allies, including Rotovia, Daylam, and, as applicable, others will be held to all of the responsibilities of Al Anbar listed above as is appropriate and necessary.

*- Coalition Member states include: Western Asia, Russian Forces, Dr_Twist, Free Rumania, The Gulf States, United Kurdistan, Soviet Haaregrad, Watertest, and others.

"We will be sticking quite closely to these guidelines for any agreement that emerges from these talks. Allow me to make our position clear: these talks are to negotiate the capitulation of Al Anbar to Coalition Forces. We will not be listening to any demands that require the weakening of Western Asia.

"We have previously made agreements with Al Anbar that were violated by these recent events and we have no wish to see these events repeated anytime in the future."

1) Al Anbar will immediately withdraw from Kuwait without further ado,
- a) This withdrawl will leave no Al Anbari troops in Kuwait. In their place will be a neutral party agreed upon by both Al Anbar and Western Asia.
- b) Al Anbar will not sabotague any Kuwaiti oil, civil, and/or military infrastructure and will disable any pyrotechnical devices placed on such infrastructure,
- c) Al Anbar will return all seized or stolen goods to Kuwait and its peoples, including but not limited to military hardware, personal vehicles, jewlery, financial documents, oil products, industrial equipment, and reserve notes of credit,
- d) Al Anbar will renounce all claims to Kuwait.

2) Furthermore, Al Anbar will agree to the following,
- a) Al Anbar will agree to never again threaten Western Asia or its allies in any manner, including but not limited to:
- - i) Supporting, harboring, or providing any refuge to terrorist groups or non-governmental parties in opposition to these governments;
- b) Al Anbar will limit its armored forces to no more than 9,500 MBTs of all sorts and 10,000 APCs, LAVs, or IFVs (combined) of all sorts,
- c) Al Anbar will limit its artillery companies to no more than 500 artillery units of any sort,

3) Al Anbar's allies, including Rotovia, Daylam, and, as applicable, others will be held to all of the responsibilities of Al Anbar listed above as is appropriate and necessary.

*- Coalition Member states include: Western Asia, Russian Forces, Dr_Twist, Free Rumania, The Gulf States, United Kurdistan, Soviet Haaregrad, Watertest, and others.

Aziz looks over the documents, laughing at parts here and there. He takes out a pen and makes modifications to the document, before handing it to a member of his staff who gives it to W. Asia's delegation.

"Al Anbar is willing to agree to these terms. Are you trying to make another world war? Those terms that you provided me are the same terms given to Germany after World War I, which lead to the National Socialists to take over and cause the second war." explains Aziz.

"Now, Al Anbar will not leave Al Anbari Kurdistan nor Al Anbari Southern Iraq. The people are behind us. The political and military parties are behind us. We will not leave our people to you." says Aziz, "If you wish, we are willing to allow a neutral third-party to come these areas to take a poll among the people to see their support for us."

"Thirdly, Al Anbar is only willing to limit only its armored force. Nothing more. We will also not pay anything to the Kuwaitis who have stolen our natural resources and supported terrorists that have destroyed our infrastructure and such. They will pay us, if anything."

"We have given you our terms. You will leave the Kurdish and Shiite areas, at very least, and you will be held responsible for what you have done.

"We have heard no reports of any terrorist strikes against your country nor do we find that any of our intelligence can identify such groups and forces as you claim originating in Kuwait.

"Mr. Aziz, you seem to fail to understand the precarious situation that your leader has found himself in. We will not allow him to be a menace to more people and we will not allow him to expand his power. Mr. Aziz, I suggest that you re-review these documents and try to think seriously about what you see in front of you. Any negotiations that we are involved in will move on from the baseline you were presented with."

"Al Anbar will never leaves the lands of Iraq or Syria. We shall never leave our countrymen. Now that the terrorist infrastructure has been dismantled in Kuwait, we will now leave," explains Aziz, "We have said that time and time again. We have even withdrawn the majority of combat units. The only remaining units have remained there to keep the security within the country."

Aziz pauses for a moment, before continuing.

"We shall not repay Kuwait. They declared war on us as soon as they started to host these terrorist groups. The radio stations ran by these terrorist groups incited terror, war, and killings of the elected officials of Al Anbar. Whether they have taken outright actions does not matter. They incited terrorism with their radio stations broadcasting into Al Anbar. That is enough."

"It should be up to the people of Al Anbar Kurdistan and Southern Iraq to choose what they want. However, such a referendum may be subjected to interference, and the voters may be intimidated. The Republic of China will be happy to assist in running a fair, safe, and democratic referendum."

Lu pauses.

"Regarding the matter of supposed terrorism, if broadcasting anti-government propoganda is considered terrorism, then Al Anbar will stand just as guilty for broadcasting into the West Bank."

Meanwhile, General Zhang reviews figures for the Al Anbari military forces. (OOC: Where's the thread?)

"Our polls have already shown a support for the reunion with Al Anbar. We would be happy to allow an impartial third party to reconfirm our poll by polling the people again."

"Now, we have never broadcasted anything into the West Bank." explains Aziz, "Also, the difference between broadcasting propaganda and inciting violence and rebellion, is just that. Violence and rebellion."

(OOC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75646&highlight= )

"The millions of Kurdish refugees huddling along the Western Asian border would beg to differ with your claims...as would many thousands of Peshmerga soldiers who continue to hold the line against your forces. The hundreds of thousands of dead, I take it, were 'selectively eliminated' from your polling results?

"As for propoganda, there has hardly been a month where your government hasn't broadcast your messages into Western Asia...and for your purposes propoganda and the incitement of violence and hate is one and the same. The pot is calling the kettle black."

Aziz laughs.

"Where have you been getting your information from? There has been only a few people that have left, and that is their provocative to leave. There has been no mass exodus from Kurdistan nor has there been any fighting between our forces and the Peshmerga. The only fighting that occured was between Iraqi forces, with the assistance of the Peshmerga, in eliminating the few hundred fighters of the Ansar al-Islam terrorist group that both the PUK and KDP had been fighting for years now."

"I suggest you re-evaluate your information."

(OOC: And really, what you said is not the truth. What I have is.)

OOC: In reality, what you said is a sociopolitical impossibility, so what I said is true and your statement is a lie. You can't change the politics of a RL group to suit your make-believe needs.

IC: "The International Society for the Red Cross has already registered more than 2 million Kurdish refugees and their representatives in the Kurdish zone have provided us with confirmations of Kurdish figures to that extent. Our own agents have voiced a third account to this effect recently...We have no need to 'reevaluate' any reports."

OOC: In reality, what you said is a sociopolitical impossibility, so what I said is true and your statement is a lie. You can't change the politics of a RL group to suit your make-believe needs.

OOC: This is my RP. I will RP it as I see fit. Read my threads on why it is like this. What you say is not fact but your lies. Are we going to get into another fight about this? It's best that we leave each other alone after this. We cannot agree on anything.

Things have changed since March of 2003. Rapidly.

OOC: 1, see the IC update.
2, It is still not "your RP" and you can't ignore the realities of the world...the Kurds have not once, not once, supported Saddam or any Baathist regime...the Shiites have never supported Saddam. You can't claim that they do. There is no proof now that they do anything but support the US's removal of Saddam although they of course would each like to pursue their own goals in the region.

I read your threads, in which I and others objected to the impossibilities, and you still claim it as though it were god-given truth on stone tablets. Give up the ghost. I don't claim to control your military forces, nor do I claim to have complete control over anything within Western Asia. Saddam never was able to convince the Kurds to join him and more often than not turned to pure violence to silence them.

I am not the one who claims control...I am responding according to the previous history and behavior of these groups...nothing else.

Things /have/ changed since March 2003...none of these changes makes these OOC claims more true.

OOC: Whether you like it or not, this is the way it is. In real life, there is no possibility of Syria and Iraq uniting, but it has happened here. In real life, Saddam probably would not have won the war even if his people did not betray him, but it has happened here.

Secondly, the PUK had allied with Saddam in the mid-1970's, and again in the first part of 1980's. The KDP allied with Saddam in the mid-1990's for a while. So, it's not entirely impossible. It's either be: CRUSHED or LIVE to fight another day. They have picked the second option.

If you don't like it then leave.

OOC: I think I'd rather set history on the right path, ICly.

OOC: I think I'd rather set history on the right path, ICly.

OOC: Well, let's see.

It's either Al Anbar never existed, Iraq and Syria are still independent nations, the US controls Iraq and Saddam is in a cell or Al Anbar is the way it is now and we continue along with the RP.

OOC: The first option is beginning to sound increasingly appealing.

OOC: The first option is beginning to sound increasingly appealing.

OOC: Make up your mind. I'm not changing my position. Either we continue in the world that Al Anbar exists in or you go along your business like Al Anbar never existed. Whatever.

OOC: A lot of accounts on NS are alternate-history based.

Western Asia I don't know why you bother applying logic to Al Anbar's actions...

Western Asia I don't know why you bother applying logic to Al Anbar's actions...

Western Asia I don't know why you bother applying logic to Al Anbar's actions...

OOC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126534

OOC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126534

OOC: That's nice.

But, that is real life as of now. My situation is 100% different.

Now, either accept the way it is here or go away. It's either one or the other.

OOC: Should we just wrap this up ICly and say the negotiations failed?

OOC: Should we just wrap this up ICly and say the negotiations failed?

OOC: No, because Western Asia must either accept the fact that the people of Al Anbar would rather not be occupied and will fight for me and that all those "refugees" do not exist or he can leave. One or the other.

OOC: Perhaps you shouldn't base in on RL History.

OOC: Perhaps you shouldn't base in on RL History.

OOC: After March 2003, history changes. It's no longer RL history. Massive things are different. For example, do you think that the Ba'athists in Syria would give up power and hand over their country and everything to Iraq? No, but in this reality it has happened.

Well?

As much as I dislike Al-Anbar just recognize that in this far off fantasy world Kurds can co-exist with Uncle Saddam.

Lu sits silently as the two opposing parties face off regarding the sovereignty of the Kurds.

"I would like to reiterate our proposal to send in observers into the disputed territories during the proposed referendum"

"There is only one disputed area, that is Kuwait. You already have observers there." responds Aziz.

(OOC: deedum. Where is WA?)

"I belive that is the number of large militaries on your borders, Mr. Aziz, that are saying that the territories are disputed."


OOC: I'm not so sure about accepting anything Al Anbar says, but I'll play along for a while...and if anything better comes along I'll drop this RP and be done with it.

"I believe it would be best for Al Anbar to accept a weakened version of Western Asian terms. Perhaps an amendment to the Al Anbar constitution prohibiting overseas deployment of forces, similar to Japan's?"

"Al Anbar will not agree to such a term."

"Think of the alternative."

"If Al Anbar agrees to that term and the revised terms of Western Asia's original plan, will it bring peace about?" inquires Aziz.

OOC: If you guys want to go the third party route, I'd be willing to do the peacekeeping work. Just a thought.

"If the amendments are made, then yes - but there will be inspections to make sure Al Anbar does not secretly buildup forces. I cannot say anything for the other nations involved in the military build-up though."

"That is impossible. Al Anbar will not subject itself to any inspections that violate our soverignty."

OOC: The plan that I said I would agree too is the modified WA one I made plus the no overseas deployment thing.

"Your neighbours will most likely not take your word regarding the disarmament proceedings."

"Al Anbar sticks by its agreements."

OOC: By 'overseas' I mean 'to other countries' *closes possible loophole*

"Let's ask Mr Sheetrit. Western Asia is one of Al Anbar's neighbours."

"Our interest is seeing that Al Anbar leaves its neighbors in peace...this includes those neighbors that Al Anbar doesn't acknowledge as independent nations...but our interest is in the security of all nations in our region. We presented a plan that we feel will ensure that Al Anbar leaves those nations and others alone.

"We proposed the limitation of their strike aircraft and ground forces numbers becuase it was those forces that Al Anbar attacked Kuwait, Independent Kurdistan, and the Shiite territories.

"If Al Anbar ceases to be a threat to those around it then we will be happy to have peace...then we will not invade. This agreement and the recent conflicts arose when Al Anbar failed to keep its previous agreements with Western Asia...which included the promise that Al Anbar would not make itself a threat to those around it.

"As for inspectors, we would like an independent third party (OOC: SS, thanks for the offer) to confirm the dismantling of the excess units beyond any established limitations but inspectors needn't remain in Al Anbar...we have the resources to ensure that they do not begin a build up."

OOC: Sorry for the delay, NS's boards have been bothersome to me for the last couple of days.

"Al Anbar will not submit its military for inspections. If you have the capabilities to confirm that we are not 'building up', as you say, then you should be able to identify if we are limiting our numbers or not."

"Secondly, we agree that Kuwait was in breach of the agreement made with Western Asia. However, Iraqi Kurdistan and Iraqi South were not. They are our territory and we will do whatever we wish with them."

(OOC: Besides, my military numbers don't exceed the numbers I posted anyway.)

A letter is projected onto the OHP screen. It from Scandavian States.

"Excellent." General Zhang speaks. "It appears we have a third party willing to provide forces for peacekeeping."

Lu continues.

"Yes Mr Azziz, that was what Mr Sheetrit just said."

OOC: Everyone has sorta agreed that Kurdistan and South Iraq are yours in this multiverse.

OOC: I'm going to assume that if Al Anbar agrees to my involvement in this situation then how involved I am and what my area of responsibility would be has to be negotiated. If that's so, I'd like to have my chief ambassador sitting in on that.

"Confirming or disproving a build up is easier than confirming a proper dismantling of forces."

"Our current numbers do not exceed the limits of 10,000 armored vehicles and 9,500 tanks. There is no reason for such inspections."

"Our current numbers do not exceed the limits of 10,000 armored vehicles and 9,500 tanks. There is no reason for such inspections."

"Section 3, Subsections d-e of the proposal read 'd) Al Anbar will limit its armored forces to no more than 4,200 MBTs of all sorts and 5,000 APCs, LAVs, or IFVs (combined) of all sorts, e) Al Anbar will limit its artillery companies to no more than 240 artillery units of any sort,'"

"You are well over those limits. The latest reliable report contains the following numbers:"

Sheetrit shuffles through a binder and then begins to read off of a page.

"5,525 MBTs, including 4,500 modern units and over 1,000 upgraded units;
3,550 Armored Reconaissance Vehicles, 3,250 IFVs of various types, and 4,600 APCs...you are clearly over in the category of both MBTs and LAVs.

"As long as we're on the subject...you are reported to have 4,000 shell artillery units, 600 rocket artillery units, 400 mortar units, and 128 surface-to-surface missile systems."

"I do believe that this well-exceeds the proposed limits."

Aziz smiles. "I suggest you re-read the revised copy of the terms."

"Mr. Aziz, there is no revised copy."

1) Al Anbar will immediately withdraw from Kuwait without further ado,
- a) This withdrawl will leave no Al Anbari troops in Kuwait. In their place will be a neutral party agreed upon by both Al Anbar and Western Asia.
- b) Al Anbar will not sabotague any Kuwaiti oil, civil, and/or military infrastructure and will disable any pyrotechnical devices placed on such infrastructure,
- c) Al Anbar will return all seized or stolen goods to Kuwait and its peoples, including but not limited to military hardware, personal vehicles, jewlery, financial documents, oil products, industrial equipment, and reserve notes of credit,
- d) Al Anbar will renounce all claims to Kuwait.

2) Furthermore, Al Anbar will agree to the following,
- a) Al Anbar will agree to never again threaten Western Asia or its allies in any manner, including but not limited to:
- - i) Supporting, harboring, or providing any refuge to terrorist groups or non-governmental parties in opposition to these governments;
- b) Al Anbar will limit its armored forces to no more than 9,500 MBTs of all sorts and 10,000 APCs, LAVs, or IFVs (combined) of all sorts,
- c) Al Anbar will limit its artillery companies to no more than 500 artillery units of any sort,

3) Al Anbar's allies, including Rotovia, Daylam, and, as applicable, others will be held to all of the responsibilities of Al Anbar listed above as is appropriate and necessary.

*- Coalition Member states include: Western Asia, Russian Forces, Dr_Twist, Free Rumania, The Gulf States, United Kurdistan, Soviet Haaregrad, Watertest, and others.

"We only agree to the above terms, including the no overseas deployment. That is all."

OOC: In Mr. Sheetrit's opinion, there is no revised copy.

"Then I take it you do not wish to have lasting peace...or at least a lasting peace for those that you feel you can take advantage of, Mr. Aziz."

OOC: In Mr. Sheetrit's opinion, there is no revised copy.

OOC: Well, then, we are again at odds, eh? All my posts that talk about the terms are the ones I posted.

OOC: Lu thought you meant the same one as Western Asia's terms without the limitations on air forces.

"Al Anbar is not that large a country geographically and does not need that amount of tanks for defence."

OOC: If anything, I'd rather have limits on just the air force. I rather like land-base forces only.

IC:

"These are what we have agreed to. They are what you stated you agree to. But, in the interests of peace, we would be willing to limit our tank numbers to 7,500 and our APC numbers to 9,750."

OOC: See the edited post just above...then this one. As for AF limits...well..."To win a war you need troops on the ground" and we already have some of those.

ICness:

"We would be prepared to accept something of a 12,000-14,000 unit cap on armored vehicles...Scouts, MBTs, artillery, APCs, LAVs...all of it. And then the cap you propose specifically for MBTs and APCs as a part of that."

"We will accept a 15,000 unit cap on armored vehicles, including MBTs, APCs, etc."

"12,400"

"14,750."

"Will a thousand extra units make that much difference? Mr Sheetrit's offer is more than sufficient for AlAnbar's national security."

"14,500...including all SPA, mobile artillery, and Ballistic Missile launch units of all sorts...that would mean a reduction from about 18,653 units. And with that we'd agree to a total artillery limit of 600 units, better than what you proposed, which would be overlapping and would affect some 5,128 units in your armories."

Sheetrit consults an aide.

"Those would be about 22% and 88% reductions respectively."

OOC: SP Art, S-S missiles, MBTs, APCs, etc. all total 14,500?!

OOC: That's what he's proposing...but he'd be willing to push a bit higher...not by much though.

The S-S missile launcher units more than the missiles.

"We would be willing to accept a limit of 15,250 units, including self propelled artillery, towed artillery, and armored vehicles, but excluding mortars and surface to surface missile launchers. They are not artillery units and were not even included in your original terms, and therefore, we will not agree to any such thing."

"Perhaps a separate limit on SSMs?"

"Hmmmm...."

Sheetrit conferences with his military advisor as he covers his microphone and after a minute or so of discussion returns to the mike.

"Surface to Surface launchers are artillery units...they serve in the same role and are really very similar to MRL systems. We were not counting the towed mortar units, towed artillery, towed anti-tank guns, or towed artillery units in our armored combat units cap...and we took a conservative estimate (OOC: I was not sure what mortars are towed, same with AT guns.)

"Allow me to clarify a bit. The proposed armored unit caps would include the following (OOC: vertical formatting is OOC):"

Sheetrit reads from a sheet his military advisor has handed him

"Main Battle Tanks,
Light Armored Vehicles,
Armored Personnel Carriers,
Armored Scout units,
Self Propelled Artillery units,
Multiple Rocket Launcher units,
Infantry Fighting Vehicle-type units,
Mobile mortar carrier units,
Surface to Surface missile transport/erector/launcher units,
and other heavy weapons mounted on heavy mechanized (armored) units..."

He puts down the first list and reads from another.

"Not included, as I said, would be any towed gun units, towed or manportable artillery units, permanent surface to surface missile launch towers and facilities, non-vehicle mounted Anti-tank guided missile or recoilless rifle units, stationary artillery units, unarmored scout vehicles, or unarmored general utility and transport trucks."

He puts down the second page, then looks up to await Aziz's response.

OOC: gg dinner...bbs

Aziz shakes his head.

"We will only accept the cap on the following units:"

"Main Battle Tanks,
Light Armored Vehicles,
Armored Personnel Carriers,
Armored Scout Cars,
Self-Propelled Artillery vehicles,
IFV vehicles,
and other heavy weapons mounted on heavy mechanized units."

"Mortar, surface to surface missiles, multiple rocket launchers, anti-tank guns, and anti-tank missiles."

Aziz shakes his head.

"We will only accept the cap on the following units:"

"Main Battle Tanks,
Light Armored Vehicles,
Armored Personnel Carriers,
Armored Scout Cars,
Self-Propelled Artillery vehicles,
IFV vehicles,
and other heavy weapons mounted on heavy mechanized units."

"Mortar, surface to surface missiles, multiple rocket launchers, anti-tank guns, and anti-tank missiles."

OOC: I take it that you mean that the last group will not be counted? MRLs and Mortars are classified generally as artillery and Sheetrit won't compromise on those as being classified armored mobile artillery platforms...and the main limitation on ATGMs is for units already under caps (IFVs, APCs, LAVs, Armored Scout units, and such), it does not really mean any further limitations. The artillery units are dual-limited by the relaxed offer of 600 artillery units...although you can probably convince him to agree to not count artillery units for a 560-530 unit separate cap on artillery if you agree to the rest of the caps...including those on Self-propelled anti-tank guns.

IC:
"I'm afraid that we must count mobile rocket launch systems as artillery units...that is their role. We would be willing to isolate artillery units in a separate category, however, with a cap of about 480 units of all sorts."

"We will accept that MRLs and mortars be placed into the cap of 15,250, but then we will not be able to agree to never being able to deploy our armed forces outside of the country."

"So, what your 're saying is you want the right to attack other nations?"

"No. We wish to be able to deploy forces to countries that are our allies and that are under attack. We want to be able to deploy troops to help stabilize countries, and other such actions. We must be able to do such things."

OOC: Its been awhile..
IC

As news of the conference slowly leaks out to Daylam, the newly appointed Foreign Minister inquires of Taiwan and Western Asia, exactly what does applicable to Al-Anbar's allies mean?

"...That would be a very creative interpretation of the 'self-defence' clause. Perhaps an amendment allowing deployment in cases where it is authorised by both sides."

OOC: There has been no 'leaks' yet.

IC:

"That would be.. acceptable."

"We recognize the necessity of Al Anbar to be capable of deploying forces in support of its allies...in a defensive capacity. For fairness, we might submit that an independent council...consisting of Al Anbari, Western Asian, and neutral party representatives...be given authority rather than our ministers, who Al Anbar will certainly have some reasons to disagree with at times."

"Al Anbar isn't going to submit itself to a council that will determine whether or not we can deploy forces to an ally. We will deploy forces to an ally whenever it is needed, without having to consult an outside force." Aziz says, "I'm sorry, but we cannot accept anything less than that."

"If you find the council proposal unpalatable, perhaps a clause giving your neighbours two months advanced warning of Al Anbar's overseas deployment plans could be draft in? That way, if there are any objections, they can be voiced in proper time."

"They may voice concern during and after our deployment. We will assist our allies." explains Aziz.

"The entire war could be over before those two months go by, in any case. We shall not submit to any such regulation."

"I did not mean so much a council of outsiders that controls your policies...and self-defense is your own matter...but I was talking about a means of communicating directly at high levels of government to discuss planned or in-progress deployments. It would mainly be Western Asian and Al Anbari."

Aziz nods. "We would accept... a 'forum', where you are able to send your concerns about our deployments, which would then be taken into consideration."

"That is all we ask."

"So then, shall we get some signatures on paper now?"

"I would like to see the new terms before I go ahead and approve anything."

OOC: Deedum?

Dr_Twist Government Release Ultimatum to Al Anbar, You have 48 RL Hours from the Posting of this Message To Leave Kuwait, completely and Allow Dr_Twist Troops to come into the nation and bring back the Original Government or we will be at war.

Dr_Twist Government Release Ultimatum to Al Anbar, You have 48 RL Hours from the Posting of this Message To Leave Kuwait, completely and Allow Dr_Twist Troops to come into the nation and bring back the Original Government or we will be at war.

OOC: Byebye Dr_Twist.

Dr_Twist Government Release Ultimatum to Al Anbar, You have 48 RL Hours from the Posting of this Message To Leave Kuwait, completely and Allow Dr_Twist Troops to come into the nation and bring back the Original Government or we will be at war.

OOC: Stop spamming this thread. You aren't even at this meeting.
OOC2: Where is WA?

Dr_Twist Government Release Ultimatum to Al Anbar, You have 48 RL Hours from the Posting of this Message To Leave Kuwait, completely and Allow Dr_Twist Troops to come into the nation and bring back the Original Government or we will be at war.


OOC2: Where is WA?

OOC: Who knows? I want to get on with stuff. Sigh. Where is he! :evil:

OOC: Sorry, I've been maddeningly busy over the last week. I'll need an IC break to allow my people to collect the new terms and apply them. I'll try to get out the stuff ICly by the end of the day but I can make no promises.

IC: "We will have the new terms for you in an hour or two. Now, Miss Lu, if we could have a short break to collect the new terms into a documen then it would be greatly appreciated."

"Certainly. If anyone is interested, we do have a light meal in the dining room availible."