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It has been agreed that we will work together to develop a new, cheap, fast carrier. Our general specifications are these

Max speed : 35-40 knots (greater if the engines can take it)
Aircraft capacity : 15-30
Range : 10-20 thousand miles (greater if the engines can take it)
Arms : 20mm guns
Anti-air defence
Anti-ship defence
[Machine guns?]

This is a concept of the new ship

http://www.pcarena.com/previews/lomac/trap/2.jpg

We hope to begin work as soon as possible; our top nautical engineers are preparing themselves. We have around $1 billion a year to put into this, more is available if need be.

Firstly:

Engines. I thought that instead of huge diesels, we could maybe use gas turbines. They are faster, more fuel can be stored and are in fact more compact. It kight be more expenisve however.

These would be able to reach the large speeds and go as far as you requested.

As for arms, the 20mm defenses could be replaced by many 30mm Kashtan CIWS's.

These ideas seem ageeable. We are more of a manufacturing nation, so we propose that we work on

-Hull and shell
-Engineering the mechanics (lifts etc)
-Engines

(anything else)

Would it be alright for Kazakhstania to work on the electronics. The guidence systems, sonar, radar etc. If this is too little on our part then please tell us.

Also, we propose that we swap some of our engineers, so they can supervise and watch in thier specialised areas. Also this may let No-Dachi engineers learn for future projects of this nature.

The nation of krulltor is advanced in the science of marine propultion and submersible marine technologies. Further we have built an advanced ship yard that would be able to cast a uni hull of this size making for a stronger more damage resistant hull. We are very interested in this project and would like to lend our expertise to the joint venture.


Victory through Science,
Krulltor governing syndicate

Krulltor, I think we'll pass.

Anyway, those idea's are fine No-Dachi Yo.

We will send our concept plans immediately, for model building etc.

We are also updating Kashtan etc just for you.

Our designers and engineers have begun thier work on these areas.

http://www.oberg.com/images/products_services/engineers.jpg

(OOC : I know they aren't Asian, just pretend :wink: )

Ok.

Lets get working!

Firstly, some proto engines :D

Our guys have come up with this design. They believe that six of them will give us the power needed. They should not be too expensive to make. Size wise there should be no problems, we do not think. We can say more when we know how long the runway will need to be. (?)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/swos/eng/dd234av.gif

OOC: Where do get all of your cool 3D images?

OOC: Can i provide funding for this in a new spirit of international bonding stuff.

The prototype engine is built. We have produced a twin of the first design; this should now be ready for testing.

http://members.shaw.ca/diesel-duck/machinery_page/gas_turbine/gas_turbine_twin_installation.jpg

Our designers are agast at the fantastic design devised by their foreign counterparts. We thank you for your efforts so far!

We will do weapons systems and indeed most of the computers, if you do not mind!

OOC:

Horsepower, running time etc please :)

IH, sure!

I am going to TG you later, about a new project I thought up :)

SD, I got this one from Lock On: Modern Air Combat, a PC game :)

The No-Dachi engineers are rather embarassed they did not include such fundamental information. Initial testing suggests these stats :

-One twin creates around 80,000 hp.
-One twin should give endurance of 10,000 nm at full power.

More will be known with more tests, when other specifications of the ship are decided upon.

(OOC : How long will the runway need to be?)

How goes things at your end Kazakhstania?

What do you mean runway?

On the flight deck? Sorry, but I dont understand.

Anyway, we have got the weapons systems almost finished and the electronics and radar almost done.

Mind if I get another person to do radar?

Also, what sort of aircraft will operate. I'd love it to be S/VTOL, but CTOL is fine.

Yes, the fight dek, how long will it need to be?

As for aircraft, we use MiG29F's.

And feel free on th radar issue.

The Republic of Ancient Terra congratulates your two illustrious nations on collaborating peacefully to develop an aircraft carrier. We have two questions that we hope will be answered.

One, what will the designation be for this class of vessel. As it maintains 15-30 CTOL aircraft, would it fall under the classification of light carrier, or escort carrier?

Second, we would like to know if you require any financial assistance in this project. We ask for nothing in return, save better relations with your nations.

Sincerely,

~Emperor El' Jonson, Leader of Ancient Terra~

No-Dachi Yo, I think the flight deck is 300m long. The take off run is about 100 metres, with ski jump.

The official designation will be Light Carrier, but escort will be a parralel role.

How much funding is required?

I can allocate up to 1.8 billion USD

IH, unless you were going to buy any I would rather you didnt waste your money :)

I can afford it, with change :wink:

Hmm ok then.

Also when are you invading Noviastan or whatever its called.

As soon as I TG him!

The prototype hull is ready; for maiden tests using the bare essentials we used two twins in the engine room (160,000 hp enough?). We have a picture for you from the initial test run.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/wasp/images/wasp1B.jpg

The vessel is 409m long, and reached a maximum of 32 knots. The speed can be tuned up, if need be another twin can be squeezed in if a few planes are sacrficed. In the present state it can hold up to 21 MiG-29K's; it has yet to be tested carrying planes, we are checking these stats are acceptable.

(OOC : Is this, and the figures acceptable and realistic???)

We ask if possibly you could make some more powerful engines, to project a much heavier vessel to a the same speed, with minimal loss of aircraft :)

what reasorces do you need because me and the dwarfs will mine it for free
and if you want to buy a space fleet ask me

Our engineers believe they can tweak the engines to give more hp and another twin will give even more power. We will expand the size and armour too.

The armour may not be a problem. We just need more power and hangar space.

We are continuing to research weapons and electronics systems.

That carrier is nice, but damn big. A skilled pilot could probably land a B-1 on that thing.

That would be godmodding, as I learned the hard way a long time ago....

You couldn't do it on a Nimitz, the size isn't right. However, this CVN is bigger by at least fifty meters, so you could carry four or five if the hangers and elevators were the right size, you just couldn't carry anything else.

Oh, and don't listen to the anal retentive realists here, they're so unwilling to admit they're wrong that they'll do anything to prove it. You can do almost anything to a ship that big if you think it through.

This ship is smaller than the Nimitz, and a B-1 would go right through the deck.

The Nimitz is 332.85 meters, your CVN is 409 meters. You'd have to design a ship to carry bombers, and you'd have to design the bombers to functions on aircraft carriers. That's no big deal, though, because it's been done before (Doolittle raid, anyone?)

If the Nimitz is that size ill have to make it smaller, i only want a small, swift carrier.

Could i suggest you use nuclear power? It would men that the ship would have a lot more room to carry kerosene for fighters.
oh yeah, and|: a B-1 couldnt land on a carrier! Its hard enough to get an F-14 on a nimitz, some pilots overfly and never get to go on a carrier again(or at least by my knoledge).
Other than that, i thought you were you were making another carrier Kazakhstania, i tried to get in but i wasnt accepted(i think ill mainly stick to land/air warfare from now on).

Could i suggest you use nuclear power?

I dont think my nation has the money to use that kind of power.

I can give you the money, im sponsered by outside nations, all i ask for in return is the specs/designs for the engines, and if possible prod rights to the carrier.(i can get you around 5billion right now if the be).

Do you mean the money to design the nuclear engine and manufacture it, or to buy the engine?

To design the engine, and if the need be my nation could build it(we are full of uranium, and weapons manufacturing is going up and up!)
I might use the engine in any carrier i build, or in a battle ship(a big one!)

Kazakhstania is totally against the use of Nuclear Materials for power. The damage caused if one of these ships are sunk, either by accident or a future enemy, the water could become highly radioactive.

This is both hazardous to wildlife and the civilian population, and we are totally against it's uses.

OOC: Actually, we use it in our flagship, but as far as anyone else is concerned we use Gas Turbines.

The Empire of Imperial Guardsmen is interested in purchasing some of these carriers once they have been finished for our navy. Currently we lack striking power at sea and these would appear to fit our needs well.

We need to get on with this people! I am finished, believe it or not.

IG, yes, we may sell it at a later date but I will talk with No-Dachi Yo on this export matter.