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Farfetched prospect, Crossroads Inc, Atheists Reality, Erinin, Theoretical States and Kazakhstania have collaborated to create this
http://www.roadfly.org/bmw/classifieds/cars/image.php?Id=99401&type=temp

the ultimate battleship/command ship ever created, it has


The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System


SMART-S


5 20'' guns

2 18'' guns

BAT-IIS(BATtlefield Integrated Information System)


among others. It Is NOT for sale. only the nations the helped create the ship may build it.




(farfeched, crossroads post some more)

a single Heavy turbolaser salvo would see that ship crashing down in flames

this is 'near-future tech', i still doubt 'turbolasers' could take this out!

yeah? what does that 'Yamato' knockoff fire? shells?

OOC: Nice work. My Postmodern nation (not this one!) also has a battleship-centered navy, and has some unique takes on gun warfare. Perhaps an information exchange is in order?

Just a few small questions...

1.)How big is it?
2.)Could you explain your anti-missile system?
3.)How much ammo do you have for the 20" guns?
4.)Cost?

Although I would doubt "best ever", it does indeed appear formidable. However, the question is efficiency and "Golden Fish" syndrome. I'll explain if you want, but this does look powerful.

the yamato is nothing compared to this, this is 'near-future tech' so it does fire shells, not lasers

From the stack, I'm guessing this is a diesel vessel? If it's a nuke, you might wanna remove the stack. :P

Base or nose fused?

Crossroads Inc should answer questions about ammo, the ship costs a lot of money, which is why i will only have one in my navy.

Crossroads Inc should answer questions about ammo, the ship costs a lot of money, which is why i will only have one in my navy.
Be wary of Golden Fish! It killed the Sea Wolf, and it's what kept the best Russian sub (forget name) penned for the Cold War. I approve of the limit of numbers from such a ship, however.

that pic originally came from crossroads, what is golden fish? :?:

i have an idea about what golden fish is, just not what the full concept is

Golden Fish is a term coined to represent a vessel that is so uber that it could clean the clocks of any opponent, but because of power and cost, it is never deployed. It's own power kills it, because it is never put at risk.

(In video game terms, it's like when you have the uber-gun with two shots, but you save it up for the "next big fight" and at the end, you've never even used it.)

The Sea Wolf cost so much, they never built more than 3, and the USN is hesitant to deploy those without extreme need. I think the USSR sub was the "Akula", but it spent a long time in port for fear of it being sank.

it's not expensive to the point of budget wrecking

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Crossroads Inc. Reveils all!

Ok ladies and gents, so theres a little confusion, thats understandable, so lets clarify a few things...First off here is a pic with a few things pointed out.
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Basic Statistics:
81,210 Tonnes , 85,265 Tonnes Fully Loaded

Length
1232 Feet
Beam
191 Feet
Power plant
2 Nuclear Reactors, 4 Steam Turbines with 4 shafts totaling 350,000 Horsepower
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Three of the Five 20" guns are made up of 'Screecher' Turrets Which are:

The primary aspect of this weopon system is a 400lb Depleted Uranium Shell. The shell has a Scram-Jet Jacket built into it so, once fired from the 20" Cannon, The Scram-Jet activates allowing it to do one of two options.

#1: Using a 'Solid' Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet Fires early, adding its speed to the speed from cannon shot, turning it into a fearsom Kinetic Energy Weapon that can easily tear into other ships.

#2 Using a 'Warhead' Half Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet waits until the intial arch from the Cannon shot begins to derad, then fires. This will almost Double the effective range of the shot, giving the oppurtunity to Bombard targets well out of range of any conventional counter attack.
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On Anti-Missle Systems: (produced by Kazakhstania)
The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System is intended to provide self-defence for surface ships against high precision weapons (anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, air bombs), fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as to engage small sea and coastal targets.

The system is developed as a modular structure comprising a command module and combat modules (from one to six, depending on ship displacement). The command module ensures IFF procedures, target acquisition and designation, and data generation for gun/missile fire.

The combat module comprises a gun/missile mount, a radar and optical control systems, a computing system, and power supply system. The integrated multi-channel control system provides simultaneous multi-target tracking in the radar and TV-optical modes. The firing turret mounts two blocks of GSh-30K six-barrel automatic guns with linkless feeding system and autonomous evaporation-type cooling system, and two SAM clusters.

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in container-launchers in ship's under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 min.

The KASHTAN system can be installed on ships with displacement greater than 400 t.
Basic Characteristics

Engagement zone range, km:
Missiles: 1.5 ... 8
Guns: 0.5 ...1.5
Altitude, m from: 5 to 4,000
Maximum target speed,: m/s 600
Kill probability: 0.96 ... 0.98
Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
Rate of gun fire, rds/min: 10,000 ... 12,000
Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag and Frag-T projectiles
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Second. The ship is Nuclear powered, Orginally it was designed with 4 Reactors, but now has just two. The "Smoke" Stack on the ship is for venting exhaust. Note, normal Nuclear Reactors have huge condensor Colums that look like "Smoke" stacks, the thing behind the Bridge is simply one of those.

Also on cost, The average Nimitz class Carrier costs between 5 and 7 Billion. The Chimera Command ship will cost 8.5 Billion. This really isn't that much but it will take a while to produce each one.

PS: please PLEASE do not make comments in here abpout how a single Nuke will destroy it.. DUH! a single Nuke will destroy anything.

SAAM-3...what about my missiles?

Obviously, a lot of thought went into this, and I am impressed. A special fire controln systems, or standard?

SAAM-3...what about my missiles? Sorry about that, there was a lot of information in the orginal thread and the Founder never did make a complete list of what was and wasn't going in..

SAAM-3...what about my missiles? Sorry about that, there was a lot of information in the orginal thread and the Founder never did make a complete list of what was and wasn't going in..

Theoretical States, recent winners of the Chimera Battleship Joint project control systems contract is pleased to announce an expanded line of C3 (Command, Control, and Communications) systems to assist the military commander manage and observe every aspect of their combined arms combat forces.

Theoretical States manufactures no tanks, no planes, no military hardware at all other than small arms. However, our military C3 solutions are unrivalled throughout the world. Our advanced networking through multi-band frequency hopping short range radios, ultraviolet LOS communications systems, and satellite information transfer systems allow even the individual soldier on the battlefield unprecedented ability to both receive realtime detailed orders from higher echelon command structures, and the ability to relay vital intelligence and information at lightspeed to the commanders with the authority to act on it. The commander has instant access to realtime battlefield conditions as seen by all his combat elements; land, sea and air. The information is presented in a easy to use, well organized and intuitive computer operating environment, allowing him to select and monitor the areas of the battle that are most key, and filter out the information that is redundant, extraneous, and irrelevent, so the commander can make the right call, with all the information he needs to attain victory on the battlefield.

Each system is tailor made to retrofit with all models of military hardware, tanks, planes, ships, whatever the customer sees fit to monitor. Costs are greatly reduced should our C3 systems be integrated into a nation's military hardware when at the prototype/drawing board phase.

To help you understand what Theoretical State's C3 solutions can multiply YOUR combat power, here is a solution we provided to the nations jointly designing and building the Chimera Command Battleship:

BAT-IIS (BATtlefield Integrated Information System) is a powerful, simple to use software environment that allows a ship captain to monitor radar and sensor information, weapons targeting and status, navigational data, damage control and engineering, and a plethora of other ship functions and statuses in a easy to use and clear format. Not only is it capable of monitoring all aspects of the warship it is installed on, if other ships are similarly equipped, a fleet admiral or commander can bring up data on all other ships in his fleet-positional, targeting, damage status,etc. This allows the admiral to see at a glance how his fleet is dispositioned, and a current assesement of it's fighting strength and positioning. Data is transmitted by a triple-redundant ultraviolet emitter which is impossible to jam and is simple and reliable. Should ships stray out of LOS (line of sight) the software will use ships as a relay chain to get the information to the flag. Shoud the ship in question stray entirely outside LOS from all other vessels, it automatically switches to a VHF frequency hopping transmitter which is exceptionally difficult to jam.

In short, this software when properly integrated into your fleet provides both the individual ship's captain and the fleet admiral with peerless situational awareness and battlefield control. We can supply the software specifically modified to your systems and controls, along with installation and technical support personnel given a lead time of 2 months, for a lump sum price of 8.3 million Theoretical dollars, each additional vessel beyond the first can be similarly equipped for the paltry sum of 220 thousand Theoretical Dollars. This included all hardware (EMP and shock hardened computers, triple redundant, three different physical locations on board ship), sensors and radios, software, various integration intstrumentation for radars, etc and full installation, training and three year maintenance contract.

Contact us through telegraph for a custom designed application specifically for your military's needs.

Remember:

Power is NOTHING without Control!

Theoretical States, recent winners of the Chimera Battleship Joint project control systems contract is pleased to announce an expanded line of C3 (Command, Control, and Communications) systems to assist the military commander manage and observe every aspect of their combined arms combat forces.

Theoretical States manufactures no tanks, no planes, no military hardware at all other than small arms. However, our military C3 solutions are unrivalled throughout the world. Our advanced networking through multi-band frequency hopping short range radios, ultraviolet LOS communications systems, and satellite information transfer systems allow even the individual soldier on the battlefield unprecedented ability to both receive realtime detailed orders from higher echelon command structures, and the ability to relay vital intelligence and information at lightspeed to the commanders with the authority to act on it. The commander has instant access to realtime battlefield conditions as seen by all his combat elements; land, sea and air. The information is presented in a easy to use, well organized and intuitive computer operating environment, allowing him to select and monitor the areas of the battle that are most key, and filter out the information that is redundant, extraneous, and irrelevent, so the commander can make the right call, with all the information he needs to attain victory on the battlefield.

Each system is tailor made to retrofit with all models of military hardware, tanks, planes, ships, whatever the customer sees fit to monitor. Costs are greatly reduced should our C3 systems be integrated into a nation's military hardware when at the prototype/drawing board phase.

To help you understand what Theoretical State's C3 solutions can multiply YOUR combat power, here is a solution we provided to the nations jointly designing and building the Chimera Command Battleship:

BAT-IIS (BATtlefield Integrated Information System) is a powerful, simple to use software environment that allows a ship captain to monitor radar and sensor information, weapons targeting and status, navigational data, damage control and engineering, and a plethora of other ship functions and statuses in a easy to use and clear format. Not only is it capable of monitoring all aspects of the warship it is installed on, if other ships are similarly equipped, a fleet admiral or commander can bring up data on all other ships in his fleet-positional, targeting, damage status,etc. This allows the admiral to see at a glance how his fleet is dispositioned, and a current assesement of it's fighting strength and positioning. Data is transmitted by a triple-redundant ultraviolet emitter which is impossible to jam and is simple and reliable. Should ships stray out of LOS (line of sight) the software will use ships as a relay chain to get the information to the flag. Shoud the ship in question stray entirely outside LOS from all other vessels, it automatically switches to a VHF frequency hopping transmitter which is exceptionally difficult to jam.

In short, this software when properly integrated into your fleet provides both the individual ship's captain and the fleet admiral with peerless situational awareness and battlefield control. We can supply the software specifically modified to your systems and controls, along with installation and technical support personnel given a lead time of 2 months, for a lump sum price of 8.3 million Theoretical dollars, each additional vessel beyond the first can be similarly equipped for the paltry sum of 220 thousand Theoretical Dollars. This included all hardware (EMP and shock hardened computers, triple redundant, three different physical locations on board ship), sensors and radios, software, various integration intstrumentation for radars, etc and full installation, training and three year maintenance contract.

Contact us through telegraph for a custom designed application specifically for your military's needs.

Remember:

Power is NOTHING without Control!

Farfetched prospect is also proud of this project, for instance its name came from us, aswell designed the lay-out.

*Goalkeeper system*

Goalkeeper is a CIWS system comparable to the Vulcan-Phalax system, although more compact and more advanced,

Farfetched's Goalkeeper armed with 45mm granade shells that are hurled to the enemy at a rate of 3000 a minute, the system makes a wall of steel on which any missile get squatched. Keep in mind that this system is a last resort, extreme short range system.

*SMART-L / SMART-S*

(long-range radar)

SMART-L is the newest in our 3D multi-beam radar family (D-band) providing 400km coverage and 70° elevation. It provides excellent performance, especially against stealthy targets, this is because its highband information technology. The Smart-L has a back-up power system incase the main power supply would be intteruped

(Short-range radar)

SMART-S is a 3D multi-beam F-band medium-to-long range surveillance and target indication radar operating to a range of 120km. As with the Smart-L, the Smart-S has a back-up power system,

Farfetched prospect is proud to work on this project and would be interested in starting a development partnership between the other nations for future delvelopments

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*military announcement*

Today the construction of the new Flagship of the Farfetched Prospect Naval Forces (NPNF) has commenced in the capital city Pretoria, estimated construction time will take up to 2.3 years (3 to 4 RL days) . The ship will be called the "Seven Provinces" after the 7 original provinces that made up our great country.

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the new flagship of the Atheists Reality Navy(ARN) is to be built at the port city of Al-Naqua, it will be named the "Broken Arrow", construction is expected to take 4 RL days.

The Kazakhstanian Flag Ship of the South Fleet is being contructed in Atryau, our only port.

Goalkeeper is pointless!

45mm Grenades have a rubbish range, crap ROF, need huge space to have a large ROF and are too big shells! You are only dealing with missiels, that arent armored!

IC:Erinin contribution to this ship appears in the form of
MetalStorm 120mm Anti-Air System§ITC§.
MS120AAS(Kraken).
Performances
Rate of fire:1-1200 rounds per sec
Muzzle velocity: 945 meters per second (3099.6 feet per sec.)
Range: 24,678 meters (= 13.3 mile [nautical, US])
Ceiling: 17,511 meters = (9.4 mile [nautical, US])
Crew:12

IC:The Kraken engages aircraft where the pilot is still far enough he expects to engaged by easily deceived and evaded missiles.
This gives first strike advantage to the BattleShip against airborne targets.

I think you need to ask yourself why no nation on earth has built a battleship since 1945 (aircraft carrier anyone?). Maybe it's because in a battleship you have to fight your way through all the enemy ships to get within a few km of the country you want to hit and then sit there while they fire at you with shore guns/bomb you/torpedo you. Me if I wanted to attack a country I'd rather just fire a cruise missile from a sub 1000km away!

Duboolia, while the carrier posseses a longer range, the BB can actually level more firepower onto a target, and cheaper. A CVN can only pull two strikes an hour, maximum, while the battleship can unload many 16" shells in several minutes. They are also very well armored, much more so than a carrier.

In as such, NS BBs could be very effective carrier-killers and surface bombardment platforms. (Shoot down a 16 inch shell, just try! :P ) Obviously, their weakness is being airstruck, or engaged by too many smaller targets. However, used in a combined arms strike, the BB could be a very powerful piece of weaponry.

Plus, they're cool.

Erinin, I know MetalStorm is cool. I read the Ringo books as well, and that's very well and good, but how on earth would that be an effective weapon? Where would you keep the vast arsenals needed? At the expense of the heavy guns, the point of the ship? Perhaps engaging another heavy vessel at point blank, but what aircraft or naval ship would close to those ranges?

Compare the range of the 16" naval gun and the Exocet missile to a 120mm cannon. What you have is a nasty MRWS, and one that's good for about one round before things run out or fuse. Granted, it would kill something but good, but it would only kill something dumb enough to close on it... and then only one or two, before the 120mm shells ran out.

I know you have 24km as your range, but in RL, it's about 1.6km, with extended ranger ammunition (TERM) clocking in at about 2km. Just an FYI.

Duboolia, while the carrier posseses a longer range, the BB can actually level more firepower onto a target, and cheaper. A CVN can only pull two strikes an hour, maximum, while the battleship can unload many 16" shells in several minutes. They are also very well armored, much more so than a carrier.

In as such, NS BBs could be very effective carrier-killers and surface bombardment platforms. (Shoot down a 16 inch shell, just try! :P ) Obviously, their weakness is being airstruck, or engaged by too many smaller targets. However, used in a combined arms strike, the BB could be a very powerful piece of weaponry.

Plus, they're cool.

Erinin, I know MetalStorm is cool. I read the Ringo books as well, and that's very well and good, but how on earth would that be an effective weapon? Where would you keep the vast arsenals needed? At the expense of the heavy guns, the point of the ship? Perhaps engaging another heavy vessel at point blank, but what aircraft or naval ship would close to those ranges?

Compare the range of the 16" naval gun and the Exocet missile to a 120mm cannon. What you have is a nasty MRWS, and one that's good for about one round before things run out or fuse. Granted, it would kill something but good, but it would only kill something dumb enough to close on it... and then only one or two, before the 120mm shells ran out.
Actually, i have not done anything but tone down the real MetalStorm.
Second, most sams are 8km weapons(the 120mm beats that, and it cant be countered and the shell velocity also means you know your being shot when you get hit), the 120AA is not that large, ammo storage would not be a problem, the 12 man crew could easily reload cycling barrels.
The rate of fire is compltetly varible, A battle ship would be very well with a 120mm AA system, this one can just produce a higher fire rate.
, The metalstorm is no longer in prototype stages, it is in production testing stages for US and Australian military, for everything that can fire a projectile.
120mm Kraken would be the most effective anti-aircraft weapon on board.
It is extended beyond CIWS range, it is a new tech so no, a pilot wouldnt be stupid, he would be closing for a kill, the fact is most pilots have little fear of engaging SAMs, especially in the most advanced aircraft systems(which apparently is all anyone on NS flys) so using high speed delivery, and modern tracking on WWII era fire platform defeats the uber-counter measures of modern aircraft, they are designed to beat missiles, not 120mm shells.

Why the hell is everybody bashing "Goalkeeper" how many times do I have to say it, its a last resort system. Nothing would get near the ship enough to use it so....yeah its just there

The real Metal Storm is not a gatling 120mm weapon with insane ranges, it is a small calibre "box". Metal Storm is being developed in 5.56, 20, and 40mm for the US and Australian militaries. While devastating and firing at up to 1,000,000 rounds per minute, this is not the size you are talking. Would Metal Storm destroy any aircraft? Yes. Could you maintain a 120mm variant from a mobile platform? No.

I like the idea, but you simply COULD NOT carry enough ammo for a 120mm variant. Not to mention that the MS ammunition is carried in pre-stocked barrels with rapid change "boxes". Imagine changing the prestacked box, much less in combat, without even considering the storage needed.

A stable ground platform would be a unique idea, but porting this size of Metal Storm in the battlefield would be a logistical nightmare. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, and I applaud the effort, but consider the logistics of a 120mm variant.

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I think this is a beautiful ship - nice work on the stats - you may want to point out to people the amount of storage space openned up by using two nuclear reactors as opposed to RL battleships.

And to those who don't believe Battleships have a place in a modern navy - perhaps they are forgetting how different a world NS is compared to RL.

Wolfish Defense Command would be please to sign a contract for delivery of 4 of these battleships.

Thanks.
W.

EDIT: Just noticed the not for sale - if you wish to make a lot of money, perhaps we could come to some kind of a trade agreement?

what kind of a trade agreement do you have in mind?

what kind of a trade agreement do you have in mind?

Wolfish is a very large nation with a great many needs. We are open to trade in a wide variety of areas - and would be willing to offer you and your partners exclusive access to certain markets - for instance - if you were to have a strong cattle market - Wolfish could guarentee the purchase of your entire supply.

We also have a need for skilled trades people - obviously these tradespeople would remain citizens of your country - but the would earn Wolfish Dolllars from us and pay tax to you.

We would be open to many different options. Please provide us with some details of what you have available.

in my country we have many iron mines, does your nation have anythings that would help the miners?
we would be willing to trade a substantial amount of iron for miners equipment

Or if you like - Wolfish could give you full production and sale rights to a number of unique military products - to date only produced for Wolfish use.

have any port defense weapons, like anti ship missile platforms?

in my country we have many iron mines, does your nation have anythings that would help the miners?
we would be willing to trade a substantial amount of iron for miners equipment

Then - as a first step in our trading relationship - allow Wolfish to offer you $300 million in aid to help you establish your mining efforts. And allow us to pay market rate for the iron.

Farfetched prospect wants to add that Reality isn't the only one in this endevour, I would also be interested in sharing our expertise. And i am sure Crossroads Inc. also wants a cut.

Tar thanks wolfish.

Farfetched prospect wants to add that Reality isn't the only one in this endevour, I would also be interested in sharing our expertise. And i am sure Crossroads Inc. also wants a cut.

I have more than enough business for all of you.

Perhaps you noticed my post above about unique military products? If you are interested in maintaining a store - those are the type of production rights you'd need.

Farfetched prospect wants to add that Reality isn't the only one in this endevour, I would also be interested in sharing our expertise. And i am sure Crossroads Inc. also wants a cut.

I have more than enough business for all of you.

Perhaps you noticed my post above about unique military products? If you are interested in maintaining a store - those are the type of production rights you'd need.

I would always be interested in a fruitfull economical endevours, We would be interested in attaining such rights,

My people are also highly skilled in Chemical development and creation of artificial components

Very good. How do the group of you propose this? Will I give the rights to each of you independently, or as a group? Can you come to a proposal together, and I'll sign off from my end.

I'll be happy to provide you a great deal if I can have the production rights (domestic use only) for the ship.

Let me know.

W.

Very good. How do the group of you propose this? Will I give the rights to each of you independently, or as a group? Can you come to a proposal together, and I'll sign off from my end.

I'll be happy to provide you a great deal if I can have the production rights (domestic use only) for the ship.

Let me know.

W.

I think we should do this as an group, aslong you sign a treaty that includes that you won't give or sell the prodction procces to a third faction

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While we have no need for, and you've declared you won't sell, the battleship, we would be greatly interested in this Metal Storm system. How much would it cost, if it is for sale?

OOC: Basically, I did some research on it after reading this thread, and it holds promise as aerial artillery and as a weapon in general, but I figured I should ask you before I just "up and research" a tech you had first.

Very good. How do the group of you propose this? Will I give the rights to each of you independently, or as a group? Can you come to a proposal together, and I'll sign off from my end.

I'll be happy to provide you a great deal if I can have the production rights (domestic use only) for the ship.

Let me know.

W.

I think we should do this as an group, aslong you sign a treaty that includes that you won't give or sell the prodction procces to a third faction

I wouldn't think of it. I look forward to hearing from you.

Dang once again I blink and miss a half a page of people posting...

Anyways, Production of my own Command Ship has begun and I cannot wait to finish it. My nation is going to call it "The Edeslon"

Also... While the battleship itself is not for sale.. I htink it would be a Great idea if The people who built it, and are members of the TRIAX Alliance.. should open up a Joint Storefront selling the advanced weapon systems we designed for the ship. Exp

Metle Storm.
Screechers and Boomers.
Goal Keepers.

Plus it would make a good place to plug the TRIAX Alliance and any other storefronts we have.

Dang once again I blink and miss a half a page of people posting...

Anyways, Production of my own Command Ship has begun and I cannot wait to finish it. My nation is going to call it "The Edeslon"

Also... While the battleship itself is not for sale.. I htink it would be a Great idea if The people who built it, and are members of the TRIAX Alliance.. should open up a Joint Storefront selling the advanced weapon systems we designed for the ship. Exp

Metle Storm.
Screechers and Boomers.
Goal Keepers.

Okay then we will do a combined storefront and share the wealth

Plus it would make a good place to plug the TRIAX Alliance and any other storefronts we have.

Dang once again I blink and miss a half a page of people posting...

Anyways, Production of my own Command Ship has begun and I cannot wait to finish it. My nation is going to call it "The Edeslon"

Also... While the battleship itself is not for sale.. I htink it would be a Great idea if The people who built it, and are members of the TRIAX Alliance.. should open up a Joint Storefront selling the advanced weapon systems we designed for the ship. Exp

Metle Storm.
Screechers and Boomers.
Goal Keepers.


Plus it would make a good place to plug the TRIAX Alliance and any other storefronts we have.

So have my offers been rejected?

Dang once again I blink and miss a half a page of people posting...

Anyways, Production of my own Command Ship has begun and I cannot wait to finish it. My nation is going to call it "The Edeslon"

Also... While the battleship itself is not for sale.. I htink it would be a Great idea if The people who built it, and are members of the TRIAX Alliance.. should open up a Joint Storefront selling the advanced weapon systems we designed for the ship. Exp

Metle Storm.
Screechers and Boomers.
Goal Keepers.


Plus it would make a good place to plug the TRIAX Alliance and any other storefronts we have.

So have my offers been rejected?

Your offers are pending, we will TG you on the results

When I build My version, I will use:

Kashtan
SAAM-3
SMART Radar
Screechers and 16" ETC Cannons.

Is this ok?

We have a few questions on the ship

Is there a secondary battery?
What are the dimentions?
How many screws?
What engines is it using and how many horse power is it producing?
How much armour is on it and where is it placed?
How many guns are housed in how many turrets?
How fast do the guns on that thing fire?
What is the range on the guns and how long are they in calibres?
Is it just me or does it only have two CIWS systems?
What torpedoes is it using?
Which bit is the bow?
Why is one end raised so high?
What is the freeboard?
What is the displacement?
What is the draft?

fine vessel people :-) Let us know if any of them ever enter a wargame or naval battle :-)

VERY nice. Perhaps Credonia could purchase a few (ive still got a $1.4 trillion naval contract to spend ;-))

It Is NOT for sale. only the nations the helped create the ship may build it.


sorry credonia, unless we come to an agreement between you, me and the rest of the nations involved in building the ship, it's not for sale

hmmm, well, even thouogh its nt for sale....

To the other nations: you wouldnt turn down a trillion dollars would you ;-)

hmmmmmmm a trillion dollars, 'spose you could build it, if everyone agrees that is.

just tg'ed everyone about it

Lets wait a bit before selling :)

Don't think selling is a good idea

TAR, Erinin is specifically a 'for-sale' nation.
We however are young, and try to maintain a neutral statis.
You larger older nation could have enemies, and such.
Though it goes against our typical ideology, we would reccomend you wait.

While we have no need for, and you've declared you won't sell, the battleship, we would be greatly interested in this Metal Storm system. How much would it cost, if it is for sale?

OOC: Basically, I did some research on it after reading this thread, and it holds promise as aerial artillery and as a weapon in general, but I figured I should ask you before I just "up and research" a tech you had first.
Kauk, the MetalStorm§ITC§ is Erinin's.
We would be happy to negotiate with on many avenues of production. However we will not sell rights to the MetalStorm§ITC§ technology.
We are currently backed financially by FallschrimmJager.
A Nation which joined our region and wanted in on MetalStorm profits and concepts.
To see more of what we have on The MetalStorm Weapons Systems§ITC§.
Goto: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2684734#2684734

fine vessel people :-) Let us know if any of them ever enter a wargame or naval battle :-) Well... If you want to hold some 'War Games' I am sure alot of us would love to strut around with our Naval fleets.

Also...

For those people who only have time (or server space) to read the last page of threads... Heres a Rundown of the SuperBattleship.

Crossroads Inc. Reveils all!

Ok ladies and gents, so theres a little confusion, thats understandable, so lets clarify a few things...First off here is a pic with a few things pointed out.
http://members.lycos.nl/voicustyle/Image5.jpg
Basic Statistics:
81,210 Tonnes , 85,265 Tonnes Fully Loaded

Length
1232 Feet
Beam
191 Feet
Power plant
2 Nuclear Reactors, 4 Steam Turbines with 4 shafts totaling 350,000 Horsepower
***

Three of the Five 20" guns are made up of 'Screecher' Turrets Which are:

The primary aspect of this weopon system is a 400lb Depleted Uranium Shell. The shell has a Scram-Jet Jacket built into it so, once fired from the 20" Cannon, The Scram-Jet activates allowing it to do one of two options.

#1: Using a 'Solid' Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet Fires early, adding its speed to the speed from cannon shot, turning it into a fearsom Kinetic Energy Weapon that can easily tear into other ships.

#2 Using a 'Warhead' Half Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet waits until the intial arch from the Cannon shot begins to derad, then fires. This will almost Double the effective range of the shot, giving the oppurtunity to Bombard targets well out of range of any conventional counter attack.
***

On Anti-Missle Systems: (produced by Kazakhstania)
The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System is intended to provide self-defence for surface ships against high precision weapons (anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, air bombs), fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as to engage small sea and coastal targets.

The system is developed as a modular structure comprising a command module and combat modules (from one to six, depending on ship displacement). The command module ensures IFF procedures, target acquisition and designation, and data generation for gun/missile fire.

The combat module comprises a gun/missile mount, a radar and optical control systems, a computing system, and power supply system. The integrated multi-channel control system provides simultaneous multi-target tracking in the radar and TV-optical modes. The firing turret mounts two blocks of GSh-30K six-barrel automatic guns with linkless feeding system and autonomous evaporation-type cooling system, and two SAM clusters.

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in container-launchers in ship's under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 min.

The KASHTAN system can be installed on ships with displacement greater than 400 t.
Basic Characteristics

Engagement zone range, km:
Missiles: 1.5 ... 8
Guns: 0.5 ...1.5
Altitude, m from: 5 to 4,000
Maximum target speed,: m/s 600
Kill probability: 0.96 ... 0.98
Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
Rate of gun fire, rds/min: 10,000 ... 12,000
Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag and Frag-T projectiles
****

Second. The ship is Nuclear powered, Orginally it was designed with 4 Reactors, but now has just two. The "Smoke" Stack on the ship is for venting exhaust. Note, normal Nuclear Reactors have huge condensor Colums that look like "Smoke" stacks, the thing behind the Bridge is simply one of those.

Also on cost, The average Nimitz class Carrier costs between 5 and 7 Billion. The Chimera Command ship will cost 8.5 Billion. This really isn't that much but it will take a while to produce each one.

PS: please PLEASE do not make comments in here abpout how a single Nuke will destroy it.. DUH! a single Nuke will destroy anything.

:D Can't wait until you fellows fire all those guns on Deck and the Ship Rolls over. LOL.

:D Can't wait until you fellows fire all those guns on Deck and the Ship Rolls over. LOL.

OOC: LMAO!! thats the funniest thing i heard all day

We sincelerey doubt the worthiness of the vessel. The statistics given are vague and rose tinted. We will continue to doubt the vessel's worthiness until all our questions (OOC: PRevious page) are answered.

We sincelerey doubt the worthiness of the vessel. The statistics given are vague and rose tinted. We will continue to doubt the vessel's worthiness until all our questions (OOC: PRevious page) are answered.

We are not prepared to tell this information to someone who isn't even capeble to see which part of the ship is the front.....

We sincelerey doubt the worthiness of the vessel. The statistics given are vague and rose tinted. We will continue to doubt the vessel's worthiness until all our questions (OOC: PRevious page) are answered.
You phrase that as if it mattered at all what you thought.
I personally went a lot of trouble to avoid a godmod, including but not limited to-inquiring with the RL manufacturer on several physics questions I had about the real metalstorm.
So I will continue to doubt YOUR worthiness until you demonstrate some manners.

We sincelerey doubt the worthiness of the vessel. The statistics given are vague and rose tinted. We will continue to doubt the vessel's worthiness until all our questions (OOC: PRevious page) are answered.
You phrase that as if it mattered at all what you thought.
I personally went a lot of trouble to avoid a godmod, including but not limited to-inquiring with the RL manufacturer on several physics questions I had about the real metalstorm.
So I will continue to doubt YOUR worthiness until you demonstrate some manners.

Exacly, we all spend a great deal of time on the development of the ship, personally I think its one of the most thought trough ships on NS

Wolfish continues to await your response.

Cheers,
W.

Wolfish continues to await your response.

Cheers,
W. I am one of the crew who worked on this monstronsity.. Whats your question Wolfish Ol' Pal?

Wolfish continues to await your response.

Cheers,
W.

I accept your terms. the question is if the others will

i do

bet.

I don't believe in manners. Manners are for the feeble.

OK, I put my offical stamp on this too after looking over it.

And Wolfish, if your interested in playing a larger roll, look into joining our TRIAX Alliance, here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122118&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Thank you. Wolfish shipwrights will begin work on our first hull this week. As for trade agreements, I will post in the other thread so as to not clutter up this one.

Cheers,
W.

:D Can't wait until you fellows fire all those guns on Deck and the Ship Rolls over. LOL.

OOC: LMAO!! thats the funniest thing i heard all day

At 191 feet your beam is way too narrow for (16) 20" guns. From the dimensions of the guns it also appears that your 18" guns are way too short. You have a canoe. I am not going to argue, it is a good effort, but a fair warning someone is going to call you on this design, which I recognize from a KOEI videogame.

:D Can't wait until you fellows fire all those guns on Deck and the Ship Rolls over. LOL.

OOC: LMAO!! thats the funniest thing i heard all day

At 191 feet your beam is way too narrow for (16) 20" guns. From the dimensions of the guns it also appears that your 18" guns are way too short. You have a canoe. I am not going to argue, it is a good effort, but a fair warning someone is going to call you on this design, which I recognize from a KOEI videogame.

Doen't ask me for the hull...i didn't get it

I saw someone claim this is one of the most thought out designs on Nationstates. All I can say to that is 'what a pair of trousers'.

I don't believe in manners. Manners are for the feeble.
I would love to slap the teeth out of your mouth.

:D Can't wait until you fellows fire all those guns on Deck and the Ship Rolls over. LOL.

OOC: LMAO!! thats the funniest thing i heard all day

At 191 feet your beam is way too narrow for (16) 20" guns. From the dimensions of the guns it also appears that your 18" guns are way too short. You have a canoe. I am not going to argue, it is a good effort, but a fair warning someone is going to call you on this design, which I recognize from a KOEI videogame.

Doen't ask me for the hull...i didn't get it

The main concern about this battleship is whether or not it would tip over when the big guns fire, given its relatively narrow width...I would suggest that given its weight, and therefore it draft, the likelihood of this is small. Also, if it were the case (and it'd require a naval shipwright to confirm) a simple counterbalance system could be installed - so firing would be preceeded by an increase in ballast seawater on one side or the other. I see no great challenge to the validity of this design.

This is precisely the case Wolfish, the draft of the vessel provides stability.
Width might work on land for wheel base, but anyone who has half brain knows that width on water has very little to do with stabilizing a vessel. The deeper the draft the greater the stability.

I don't believe in manners. Manners are for the feeble.
I would love to slap the teeth out of your mouth.

how imature

I don't believe in manners. Manners are for the feeble.
Listen little boy, when I was your age if you didnt have manners you'd get busted in the head till you learned some.
As a result it has been my experiance that anyone as rude as you has never had his mouth mashed. So in reality I would be doing you a huge service by stomping a mudhole in your a$$.
You dont have anything productive to add to this so why keep harrassing people who went to even the slightest effort to create an imagined object, the physics are all sound, your ignorance of them does not change that.
Just like your ignorance of the fact that you NEED someone to beat the snot out of you for being a twit, and your mother for letting grow up to be one, does not change that either.
So instead of running your mouth, do a better job and prove us wrong.
But then that is beyond your scope.

So, your ultimate ship is a white square with a red 'X' in it? Nice ship, Im sure you'll be able to conquer everyone with that.

So, your ultimate ship is a white square with a red 'X' in it? Nice ship, Im sure you'll be able to conquer everyone with that.

So, your ultimate ship is a white square with a red 'X' in it? Nice ship, Im sure you'll be able to conquer everyone with that.

For those people who only have time (or server space) to read the last page of threads... Heres a Rundown of the SuperBattleship.

http://members.lycos.nl/voicustyle/Image5.jpg
Basic Statistics:
81,210 Tonnes , 85,265 Tonnes Fully Loaded

Length
1232 Feet
Beam
191 Feet
Power plant
2 Nuclear Reactors, 4 Steam Turbines with 4 shafts totaling 350,000 Horsepower
***

Three of the Five 20" guns are made up of 'Screecher' Turrets Which are:

The primary aspect of this weopon system is a 400lb Depleted Uranium Shell. The shell has a Scram-Jet Jacket built into it so, once fired from the 20" Cannon, The Scram-Jet activates allowing it to do one of two options.

#1: Using a 'Solid' Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet Fires early, adding its speed to the speed from cannon shot, turning it into a fearsom Kinetic Energy Weapon that can easily tear into other ships.

#2 Using a 'Warhead' Half Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet waits until the intial arch from the Cannon shot begins to derad, then fires. This will almost Double the effective range of the shot, giving the oppurtunity to Bombard targets well out of range of any conventional counter attack.
***

On Anti-Missle Systems: (produced by Kazakhstania)
The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System is intended to provide self-defence for surface ships against high precision weapons (anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, air bombs), fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as to engage small sea and coastal targets.

The system is developed as a modular structure comprising a command module and combat modules (from one to six, depending on ship displacement). The command module ensures IFF procedures, target acquisition and designation, and data generation for gun/missile fire.

The combat module comprises a gun/missile mount, a radar and optical control systems, a computing system, and power supply system. The integrated multi-channel control system provides simultaneous multi-target tracking in the radar and TV-optical modes. The firing turret mounts two blocks of GSh-30K six-barrel automatic guns with linkless feeding system and autonomous evaporation-type cooling system, and two SAM clusters.

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in container-launchers in ship's under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 min.

The KASHTAN system can be installed on ships with displacement greater than 400 t.
Basic Characteristics

Engagement zone range, km:
Missiles: 1.5 ... 8
Guns: 0.5 ...1.5
Altitude, m from: 5 to 4,000
Maximum target speed,: m/s 600
Kill probability: 0.96 ... 0.98
Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
Rate of gun fire, rds/min: 10,000 ... 12,000
Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag and Frag-T projectiles
****

Second. The ship is Nuclear powered, Orginally it was designed with 4 Reactors, but now has just two. The "Smoke" Stack on the ship is for venting exhaust. Note, normal Nuclear Reactors have huge condensor Colums that look like "Smoke" stacks, the thing behind the Bridge is simply one of those.

Also on cost, The average Nimitz class Carrier costs between 5 and 7 Billion. The Chimera Command ship will cost 8.5 Billion. This really isn't that much but it will take a while to produce each one.

PS: please PLEASE do not make comments in here abpout how a single Nuke will destroy it.. DUH! a single Nuke will destroy anything

So, your ultimate ship is a white square with a red 'X' in it? Nice ship, Im sure you'll be able to conquer everyone with that.

Perhaps you should think before you post. An aircraft carrier sitting alone in the middle of the ocean is just as much (if not more) of a sitting target.

Perhaps you should read this, and then apoligize to the guys who thought up this great ship.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124045&highlight=

Listen little boy, when I was your age if you didnt have manners you'd get busted in the head till you learned some.
As a result it has been my experiance that anyone as rude as you has never had his mouth mashed. So in reality I would be doing you a huge service by stomping a mudhole in your a$$.
You dont have anything productive to add to this so why keep harrassing people who went to even the slightest effort to create an imagined object, the physics are all sound, your ignorance of them does not change that.
Just like your ignorance of the fact that you NEED someone to beat the snot out of you for being a twit, and your mother for letting grow up to be one, does not change that either.
So instead of running your mouth, do a better job and prove us wrong.
But then that is beyond your scope.

And how old do you think I am precisely? I take it from your very verbose description of your childhood you're probably somewhere in your late 70s.

PS: please PLEASE do not make comments in here abpout how a single Nuke will destroy it.. DUH! a single Nuke will destroy anything.

Except the Prinz Eugen, which survived two. Nukes vs. ships is a rather uncertain business.

GMC, that is purely godmoding.

A nuke can destroy anything, and woudl vaporise most of the ship. Then, it would merely sink.

For the last time, where are my goddamn SAAM-3's!

*SMART-L / SMART-S*

(long-range radar)

SMART-L is the newest in our 3D multi-beam radar family (D-band) providing 400km coverage and 70° elevation. It provides excellent performance, especially against stealthy targets, this is because its highband information technology. The Smart-L has a back-up power system incase the main power supply would be intteruped

(Short-range radar)

SMART-S is a 3D multi-beam F-band medium-to-long range surveillance and target indication radar operating to a range of 120km. As with the Smart-L, the Smart-S has a back-up power system.

The government of Kazakhstania is currently in a joint project with No-Dachi Yo, creating a Light Carrier for our navies. We are currently in need of a radar system, and wish for you to provide it to us, with these two systems.

We wish you to join our project, and provide radar systems and Several Goalkeeper systems, to complement our Kashtan's. Please, we officially ask you to join us now.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123111&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

GMC, that is purely godmoding.

A nuke can destroy anything, and woudl vaporise most of the ship. Then, it would merely sink.

You're seriously trying to suggest that the real ex-Kreigsmarine Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen surviving two real close-proximity nuclear explosions in postwar atomic tests [an airburst and subsurface explosion] with only superficial damage was a Godmode? I'd love to see how you justify that one...

Wait wait... I know what he is talking about and he actually has a point. See in 1945 after the war, the US Navy took a bunch of defunct navy ships and anchored them in the pacfic, the denoted a Nuke in the middle of them.

Now, they, for the most part, actually survived the blast and did not sink. But in all fairness they were left mostly warm chucnks of metal, would the nuke been denotated in the middle of a naval battle, the people would have been fried and the ship rendered moot, so were kinda both right.

GMC, thanks for backing me up here!

One was an AIRBURST, as in far up in the sky, and one was BELOW the surface :wink: :roll:

GMC, thanks for backing me up here!

One was an AIRBURST, as in far up in the sky, and one was BELOW the surface :wink: :roll:

By proving you don't know a damn thing about nuclear weapons? Any time, bub. A subsurface detonation is much worse for a ship than an airburst. And 'as in far up in the sky' is a nice leap in logic, since you failed to provide how far 'far' is.

And as for nuclear weapons destroying everything, here's a picture of an undamaged wood-frame bomb shelter a hundred yards from ground zero in Nagasaki.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/HateMail/Nagasaki-shelter.jpg

I dont know, but generally airburst is pretty far up, and since you didnt specify :roll:

And subsurface, depends how close or far away, and how big a bomb. The ship would be damaged by such an exposion, but not sunk.

Now, I tell you, im no nuclear junkie and prefer conv weapons, but a neke detonated inside the ships hull or indeed on the deck might just vaporise said ship.

Our version, if you dont mind:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-2/648320/BShip.JPG

I would also hazzard to say the lack of armour on a modern ship would make it far more likely to sink in a given explosion, than an obsolete WWII style ship.

http://www.de220.com/Strange%20Stuff/Crossroads/Operation%20Crossroads.htm

Is a good link for the tests.

I would also hazzard to say the lack of armour on a modern ship would make it far more likely to sink in a given explosion, than an obsolete WWII style ship.

Well, that rather obviously depends on whether you think nationstates-modern ships would have light armour, given that unlike real modern US ships they're likely to find themselves engaged against other surface fleets.

http://www.de220.com/Strange%20Stuff/Crossroads/Operation%20Crossroads.htm

Is a good link for the tests. Hmm, so it was called operation Crossroads, thats a nifty coincadance. Also Kazakhstania, thanks for the additional image, thats a good update of the weapons systems we left out of the first one.

Also lets lay off the "Nuke destroys anything" rule, ok, firsty off my bad for saying it, and Kazakhstania and GMC's bad for blowing it out of preportion. I personally think Kazakhstania thought you were talking about ships in some RP battle GMC, not too many people know about the tests right after WWII on the Navy ships.

However in defense, I would say that the Nukes today are far more potent and deadly then the orginal one used. But enough blabing,

I would also hazzard to say the lack of armour on a modern ship would make it far more likely to sink in a given explosion, than an obsolete WWII style ship.

Well, that rather obviously depends on whether you think nationstates-modern ships would have light armour, given that unlike real modern US ships they're likely to find themselves engaged against other surface fleets.

Well obviously I was applying that to real world ships, however, when talking about Nation States fleets, it is largely dependant upon what kind of Nation we're dealing with. The majority of Nations simply take real world ships, there must be several million Ticonderoga Cruisers and as many Spruance destroyers plenty of Flagstaff patrol boats (often under an invented name, but otherwise being identical) and don't get me started on the number of Nimitz Carriers out there...