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Messerschmitt SSD: (seestreikrafte superiortat dusenjager)

(naval superiority fighter)

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/messerschmitt.jpg

With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems. Instead, Das Uber-Deutschland has decided to try to do what we did late in the second world war, and that is produce a faster and more maneuverable fighter. In the end, our objective was to create the smallest, fastest, and most maneuverable air-superiority craft ever built. Against conventional fighters, this craft has the upper hand in most situations.

What we came up with was a new class of fighter, the multi-role naval superiority fighter. The idea behind this classification is not a new concept, we have merely built on what the Japanese pioneered during world war two. That is to send fast maneuverable fighters to attack enemy naval vessels. In the case of this design, a fighter capable of outmaneuvering enemy anti-air missiles, and being a tiny, fast target for anti-aircraft machine gun fire. With this kind of attack in mind, the Messerschmitt SSD can be equipped with a single air to sea torpedo. This, naturally, also makes the Messerschmitt SSD an excellent sub hunter with its ability to cover a large area at high speed.

With multi-role in mind, this fighter also acts as an excellent tank hunter. In this guise, the fighter can be equipped with anti-tank missiles. With its speed and maneuverability, it makes a nearly impossible target against advancing armored divisions. With all models, the fighter is equipped with a 30mm chain-gun capable of chewing up flight decks and light mechanized equipment. This craft, as is evident, was not designed for ground bombing missions, however it is capable of knocking out easily destroyed ground installations such as fuel depots with an available napalm cluster bomb. In air-air combat, the Messerschmitt SSD excels with its superior speed and maneuverability. It is capable of carrying two independent air-air missiles

As for technical systems, this aircraft carries the usual array of radar, targeting, communications, and target acquisition systems. These systems have been manufactured with the most modern technology to make them as small as possible. The aircraft is built to retain structural integrity at eleven Gs. All models of this craft are built with naval launch equipment, however they can also take off from the ground with no modifications.

In conclusion, the Messerschmitt SSD is a top of the line fighter capable of superior speed, maneuverability, and efficiency. When flown by a competent pilot, this aircraft can outwit most advanced SAM systems. In tandem with its small size, this aircraft is perfect for aircraft carrier launch, since more of these fighters can be held on board than any conventional fighter. Das Uber-Deutschland hopes to have “mini-carriers” in the near future to launch the Messerschmitt SSD. These two naval systems, in conjunction with each other, will create a formidable fast response military option.

Specifications:

Length: 12 meters
height: 2.8 meters
Wing span: 11.6 meters
Max speed: mach 2.5
Cruise speed: mach 1.8
Ceiling: 48,000 feet
Range: 3,700 km
Propulsion: one NDS 2020 turbofan jet engine
Thrust: 20,000 pounds of static thrust, 40,000 pounds on afterburner
Weight: 36,000 pounds
Armament: 1 fuselage hard point
1 under wing hard point (per wing)
1 wing tip air to air hard point
1 30mm chain gun

Cost: 37 million per unit

The two most common Surface-to-Air Missiles in Agrigentian Military service are the Aspide Mk. 3 and the Aster15/Aster30. Both of these missiles travel faster than your aircraft and can effectively shoot down enemy missiles, making the size differential a very limited advantage.

A further criticism we have of your design is that it carries a very limited number of armaments, making it only slightly more than useless in a combat situation when compared to much more capable designs, such as the Eurofighter2000, S-37 (Su-47) and/or F/A-22 Raptor

Overall, it is certainly not an unsavory design, as it does have its advantages, but we insist that for future developments you rethink your strategy, or better yet, hire us to consult.
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Roberto D'errico
CEO and Founder
AgAero, International Aerospace Consulting Firm

Agrigento,

Naturaly missiles are faster than jet fighters, however the general shape of a missile limits its meunuverability, wheres my fighter is designed around the concept of superior meunuverability. Comeptant pilots could cut hard in any direction to outmeunuver a missile in most circumstances, not to mention the launching of countermeasures. The capability to move in a direction with superior speed makes the countermeasures more effective as the effect of one target disapearing and another taking its place is more convincing. As for armament, it is quite obvious this fighter cannot carry the load of a larger fighter, however that, as stated in the thread, is not its purpose. I would hope you could see that my smaller, ligter, faster, and more meunuverable fighter pitted against a conventional fighter would show very positive results for my fighter. In a dogfight conventional fighters wouldnt have a chance. My military designs are quite sound, as ive built the finest MBT ever mass produced and the largest most powerful flagship produced. I bielive my King Tiger III (PzKwX) would humble even you. Take a second look and think about its designated purpose. Defending a carrier with heavier, slower, and less meunuverable craft would be a desperate challenge against my Messerschmitts. These craft in conjunction with conventional fighter/bombers would make the ultimate lethal combination. Try and look at it from the standpoint that these fighters are somwhat specialised, but less so than say a F117. They are fairly inexpensive when looking at thier capability to knock larger more expensive craft out of the sky.

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proximity fuse? :P

How do you mean?

How do you mean?


you said:
With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems.


what if my AA missiles have Proximity fuse? :P

A proximity fuse is a fuse that is designed to detonate an explosive automatically when close enough to the target to destroy it. By sending out radio waves that are reflected by the target and comparing the frequency of the outgoing waves to the incoming waves, a radio proximity fuse uses the Doppler effect to determine its proximity to a target. When the incoming waves sharply decrease in frequency, the target is at its closest possible position.

How do you mean?


you said:
With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems.


what if my AA missiles have Proximity fuse? :P

A proximity fuse is a fuse that is designed to detonate an explosive automatically when close enough to the target to destroy it. By sending out radio waves that are reflected by the target and comparing the frequency of the outgoing waves to the incoming waves, a radio proximity fuse uses the Doppler effect to determine its proximity to a target. When the incoming waves sharply decrease in frequency, the target is at its closest possible position.

How do you mean?


you said:
With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems.


what if my AA missiles have Proximity fuse? :P

A proximity fuse is a fuse that is designed to detonate an explosive automatically when close enough to the target to destroy it. By sending out radio waves that are reflected by the target and comparing the frequency of the outgoing waves to the incoming waves, a radio proximity fuse uses the Doppler effect to determine its proximity to a target. When the incoming waves sharply decrease in frequency, the target is at its closest possible position.

Such a thing is not used in modern missiles (at least as ive heard of). I would think it would be too apt to failure. Interferance such as engine wash, air currents, other aircraft, chaff, and flares would throw it off. As I said, with a sharp cut in a direction, plus the launch of a countermeasure would throw off the proximity detonator. These craft are still an improvement over conventional larger fighters. The reason nothing smaller has been developed these days is becuase theres no competition between super powers in the military sense.

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Even some Lusakan-fielded missiles have proximity fuses. Anyway, there's only so manoeuvrable a manned aircraft can be without killing or knocking-out the pilot, missiles don't suffer from such problems. It may be an agile aircraft, but so are the likes of Eurofighter and various Russian jets, and they still can't really out turn the most advanced AAMs. Lusakan fighters have a 7,000ft superior ceiling to your jet, too, which is nice, and many are also Mach 2+ Class. SAMs from below, AAMs from above, New Lusaka City isn't too worried about this development.

The idea of a napalm cluster-bomb, especially on a small aircraft with an apparently very limited payload, strikes me as odd. I don't know, it could turn out to be realistic and effective, but to me it sounds like it'd throw a couple of little spatters of isolated burning fuel about and.. nobody would care much.

The vast majority of modern SAM system use proximity fuses to detoante thier HE-frag warheads. Most these days rely on a laser based detector system (well the SM2 does) for thier fuses to allow the wrhead to be detoanted in the optimum fashion.

A few SAMs are now being fitted with hit-to-kill systems but these are generally found on missiles that use a kinetic kill sysem (like star streak and patriot PAC3).

(ooc: Lets just say theoreticaly since this fighter is smaller and lighter than anything else that its meunuverability in effect with countermeasures would give it a far better chance of missile evasion than a conventionaly sized fighter. You also fail to realise its small size would give off less radar reflection surface and make it harder to track by SAM systems. As for the napalm weapon system, its purpose is to knock out large fuel depots on fast low altitude attack flights. Another use is for commercial and residential attack (ya, I know thats a violation of UN and international policy, but I use every tactic I need to phyisicaly and psychologicaly defeat the enemy). In jungle settings it makes an excellant weapon to "burn out" the enemy. I mispoke when I used the term "cluster" because it is not make up of small bomblets, its a single napalm bomb. No one has commented on its tank hunting ability. I think this would prove very usefull in ground support operations by having a fast agile (unlike the A-10) plane to knock out enemy tanks and mechanised equipment.)

(ooc: so what you all are saying is that if two superpower nations went to war today, they would knock eachothers aircraft out of the air with ease?)

OOC:
HELL YES.

Flying aircraft over someone elses airpsace is just an expensive way of commiting suicide.

(ooc: thanks for the constructive criticism everybody, I think its time to hit the drawing board again. Ive got some ideas, but Ill wait awhile to put a redesign out there since my ideas would take quite a bit of research and work.)

ooc: Yes, much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Dt.
I think that expecting an aircraft to be an ideal ASW platform, effective bomber, exceptional anti-armour weapon, and one of the best interceptors (or air superiority fighters? I dunno) all in one is pushing it, especially on a small airframe. If a design doesn't recognise some limitations and carefully work around them with acceptance of their presence it'll pile into a whole mess of flaws.
And yes, it is much easier to pick-apart other works than to design something that avoids a similar weight of differing criticisms :)

(ooc: no doubt. I did make it known that it wanst designed for mass bombing operations. Also it is quite obvious that its armament is limited as compared to conventional fighters. Thats why im trying to slate it as a fighter that compliments larger fighters. I think my second evolution will be quite a bit better than the first. This was my first attempt at avionics equipment. My knowledge base lies mostly in ground equipment and internal combustion engines.)

Messerschmitt SSD: (seestreikrafte superiortat dusenjager)

(naval superiority fighter)

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/messerschmitt.jpg

With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems. Instead, Das Uber-Deutschland has decided to try to do what we did late in the second world war, and that is produce a faster and more maneuverable fighter. In the end, our objective was to create the smallest, fastest, and most maneuverable air-superiority craft ever built. Against conventional fighters, this craft has the upper hand in most situations.

What we came up with was a new class of fighter, the multi-role naval superiority fighter. The idea behind this classification is not a new concept, we have merely built on what the Japanese pioneered during world war two. That is to send fast maneuverable fighters to attack enemy naval vessels. In the case of this design, a fighter capable of outmaneuvering enemy anti-air missiles, and being a tiny, fast target for anti-aircraft machine gun fire. With this kind of attack in mind, the Messerschmitt SSD can be equipped with a single air to sea torpedo. This, naturally, also makes the Messerschmitt SSD an excellent sub hunter with its ability to cover a large area at high speed.

With multi-role in mind, this fighter also acts as an excellent tank hunter. In this guise, the fighter can be equipped with anti-tank missiles. With its speed and maneuverability, it makes a nearly impossible target against advancing armored divisions. With all models, the fighter is equipped with a 30mm chain-gun capable of chewing up flight decks and light mechanized equipment. This craft, as is evident, was not designed for ground bombing missions, however it is capable of knocking out easily destroyed ground installations such as fuel depots with an available napalm cluster bomb. In air-air combat, the Messerschmitt SSD excels with its superior speed and maneuverability. It is capable of carrying two independent air-air missiles

As for technical systems, this aircraft carries the usual array of radar, targeting, communications, and target acquisition systems. These systems have been manufactured with the most modern technology to make them as small as possible. The aircraft is built to retain structural integrity at eleven Gs. All models of this craft are built with naval launch equipment, however they can also take off from the ground with no modifications.

In conclusion, the Messerschmitt SSD is a top of the line fighter capable of superior speed, maneuverability, and efficiency. When flown by a competent pilot, this aircraft can outwit most advanced SAM systems. In tandem with its small size, this aircraft is perfect for aircraft carrier launch, since more of these fighters can be held on board than any conventional fighter. Das Uber-Deutschland hopes to have “mini-carriers” in the near future to launch the Messerschmitt SSD. These two naval systems, in conjunction with each other, will create a formidable fast response military option.

Specifications:

Length: 12 meters
height: 2.8 meters
Wing span: 11.6 meters
Max speed: mach 2.5
Cruise speed: mach 1.8
Ceiling: 48,000 feet
Range: 3,700 km
Propulsion: one NDS 2020 turbofan jet engine
Thrust: 20,000 pounds of static thrust, 40,000 pounds on afterburner
Weight: 36,000 pounds
Armament: 1 fuselage hard point
1 under wing hard point (per wing)
1 wing tip air to air hard point
1 30mm chain gun

Cost: 37 million per unit

that sure is a sleek lookin aircraft. I could make that in my backyard outta cardboard.

As much as I hate to nit pick, I feel the need to bring this up.

With this kind of attack in mind, the Messerschmitt SSD can be equipped with a single air to sea torpedo. This, naturally, also makes the Messerschmitt SSD an excellent sub hunter with its ability to cover a large area at high speed.

With just a single torpedo, how are you supposed to find the sub? I'm assuming of cource that you don't see it, because than anything could basicly destroy the sub. Is it used in conjunction with active/passive sonar carrying ships? Sonar-bouys launched or dipped from other aircraft? I assume it doesn't have the dipping kind, (although if it did I'd love to see how you made it work. Hm.... That's the kind of off the wall idea a guy could run with. :twisted: )

Well, in short, how does it actually detect the subs it's trying to kill?

(ooc: I had it in my mind that the subs would be targeted by coordinates transmitted by the long range sonar on my naval Flagships to the aircraft. From there the sonar targeted torpedo could drive it on home. However sonar buoy drops are an excellant idea. Yes, that would work nicely in enemy waters.)