Attack on credonia *secret IC*
*secret IC* basically if say u know i did this u better come up with a damn good reason on how instead of u just do.
The 4 Virginia class subs(approx 10 miles away from each other) sat about 75 miles off the coast of Credonia, the end of a 4 week long journey from Belem, to the polar icecaps(they sat under the icecaps for 2 and half weeks to throw off any tracking) then to the Credonian coast.
One of the Submarines raises to missile depth, and begins firing its 8 tomahawks, one tomahawk for every 30 thirty seconds. They are targetted at Credonias largest port city. The tomahawks are heavily EMP shielded
After it finishes launching the sub heads back to the polar icecaps at full speed.
Credonia
10-02-2004, 01:49
HELLOOOOOOO i have carrier divisions on alert genius and protecting my borders, i always leave 5 at home and the other 3 divisions abroad, you really think u can just sneak in? im not that dumb
(See some of my other threads to verify)
The Zoogie People
10-02-2004, 01:51
OOC: You're assuming that Credonia has no sonar scans within seventy five miles of their biggest city, and they haven't got a navy patrolling their - which seems reasonable anyways, considering the recent terrorist attacks.
And if you fire a lot of tomahawk missiles at a city, they're BOUND to notice.
Also - this isn't a very good idea, after AMF's statement...he's sending Sentinels to Credonia.
Let it be known that if any harm comes to an AMF soldier or a Credonian, Automagfreek will unleash Hell the likes of which few have ever seen. We are 100% dead serious when we say not to f--- with Credonia or else the Excessively Armed Empire WILL step in, and all aggressors WILL be buried. Do not tempt me to force my hand, for those who have in the past are no longer among the living.
PS - You also seem to be firing tomahawk missiles for four minutes. Don't you think there's the slightest possibility you might get caught before that timeframe?
OOC: Im in International waters Credonia
Automagfreek
10-02-2004, 01:51
Bad idea Belem, bad idea.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122484
Credonia
10-02-2004, 01:53
OOC: whats your point, i have satellites looking down, i have subs in the water (positions cant be disclosed), you really think im stupid enough to leave my borders unprotected in such a manner? im not that stupid
Bad idea Belem, bad idea.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122484
OOC: im getting paid alot to do it. also im international waters so the subs have a right to be there. and you dont know im doing it.
The Zoogie People
10-02-2004, 01:53
You may be in international waters, but Credonia can still probably see you. All he needs is Sonar.
OOC: whats your point, i have satellites looking down, i have subs in the water (positions cant be disclosed), you really think im stupid enough to leave my borders unprotected in such a manner? im not that stupid
OOC: ok it doesnt matter if my subs that launch get sunk. Its that there in International waters to begin with so u had no reason to direct them away. If you want your allowed to attack the sub that launched.
Automagfreek
10-02-2004, 01:54
OOC: im getting paid alot to do it. also im international waters so the subs have a right to be there. and you dont know im doing it.
OOC: But you're launching missiles, so regardless of your being in international waters, you're engaging the very nation we have peacekeeping troops in.
Don't make me bring APTO into this. Pantera is very anxious to annex some new territory.
You may be in international waters, but Credonia can still probably see you. All he needs is Sonar.
OOC: fine he sees my sub he sees the launch, he doesnt know whos sub it is thats why I dont use unique subs.
Central Facehuggeria
10-02-2004, 01:56
OOC: But subs, especially nuclear ones are notoriously quiet and hard to detect. Besides, how would anyone know that Belem was responsible?
Not to mention that they are spaced apart from eachother, and they don't have to get that close to launch cruise missiles...
Credonia
10-02-2004, 01:56
Bad idea Belem, bad idea.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122484
OOC: im getting paid alot to do it. also im international waters so the subs have a right to be there. and you dont know im doing it.
doesnt mean thta i dont have forces in international waters. any nation smart enough would have them protecting the border? you would be detected, you cant just expect to slip in and out without ANY detection from my forces. thats just ludacris considering the sie of my submarine force and carrier units. Not to mention the ASW aircraft that are always on duty when a carrier is out at sea (just like in rl)
OOC: you can have subs there but they wouldnt know anything is wrong till my sub started launching missiles. Want to attack the sub that launched? nows ur chance.
Automagfreek
10-02-2004, 02:06
OOC: you can have subs there but they wouldnt know anything is wrong till my sub started launching missiles. Want to attack the sub that launched? nows ur chance.
OOC: Exactly Credonia, attack and sink his subs, then send down divers or drones down to investigate the wreckage. Then you'll know ICly who's responsible.
Inner Heaven
10-02-2004, 02:32
OOC: you can have subs there but they wouldnt know anything is wrong till my sub started launching missiles. Want to attack the sub that launched? nows ur chance.
OOC: Exactly Credonia, attack and sink his subs, then send down divers or drones down to investigate the wreckage. Then you'll know ICly who's responsible.
OOC: Which will not ICly lead Belem being held responsible.
He didn't use his own Subs. You didn't think he'd be that stupid did you?
I'd have to pay Belem a hell of alot to do something that could potentially ruin him...
Kihameria
10-02-2004, 02:34
ooc-Automagfreek has a point,evrey ship,sub,plane,and military vhecile have some kind of uniqe marking to distingusish what nation theyre from,normaly if they attack you,it signals theyre the enemy,if they dont they havent seen you,or are allied/netural...
He didn't use his own Subs. You didn't think he'd be that stupid did you?
OOC: They must be his, otherwise he wouldn't be using them. What he is actually claiming was that they were generic submarines, hell, I've got the same kind of submarines in my nation...
However, just because it looks the same doesn't mean there isn't evidence on board... it would take alot of effort, but it isn't impossible.
Inner Heaven
10-02-2004, 02:41
ooc-Automagfreek has a point,evrey ship,sub,plane,and military vhecile have some kind of uniqe marking to distingusish what nation theyre from,normaly if they attack you,it signals theyre the enemy,if they dont they havent seen you,or are allied/netural...
OOC: No they don't. And anyway - the Subs are unmarked.
Inner Heaven
10-02-2004, 02:42
He didn't use his own Subs. You didn't think he'd be that stupid did you?
OOC: They must be his, otherwise he wouldn't be using them. What he is actually claiming was that they were generic submarines, hell, I've got the same kind of submarines in my nation...
However, just because it looks the same doesn't mean there isn't evidence on board... it would take alot of effort, but it isn't impossible.
OOC: Thats what I mean't - sorry. Thanks for clearing that up ;)
The Zoogie People
10-02-2004, 02:43
So, you are saying that nothing on the inside says Belem? Nothing distinguishes that they are Belemian? Not even the name tags of the crew? Any materials inside the submarine?
Automagfreek
10-02-2004, 02:48
So, you are saying that nothing on the inside says Belem? Nothing distinguishes that they are Belemian? Not even the name tags of the crew? Any materials inside the submarine?
OOC: I was just going to say that.
Inner Heaven
10-02-2004, 02:50
So, you are saying that nothing on the inside says Belem? Nothing distinguishes that they are Belemian? Not even the name tags of the crew? Any materials inside the submarine?
OOC: I made it extremely clear to Belem that this would be a black operation - What he puts in the subs is up to him - although I'm sure he will say the same thing - nothing will be recovered from the Subs that has the potential to incriminate his nation.
So, you are saying that nothing on the inside says Belem? Nothing distinguishes that they are Belemian? Not even the name tags of the crew? Any materials inside the submarine?
OOC: the subs Im using for this operation were already scheduled to be decommissioned(after so many years in service I replace ships in the fleet.) Also any major marks that it came from Belem were taken off the ship. Now if the sub sinks and doesnt explode. Its possible to find markings, you know they could find a sprocket that might have made in Belem stamped on it but thats *not* proof beyond a resonable doubt. Also since this was an extremely sensitive mission the sailors wouldn't have dog tags or Belem markings. A common practice for secret missions. During WWII soldiers would be told to take off there division markings so if someone saw the troop movements they wouldnt know what division they belonged to.
He didn't use his own Subs. You didn't think he'd be that stupid did you?
OOC: They must be his, otherwise he wouldn't be using them.
It was posted in secret IC; technically you don't know he WAS using them. :wink:
Automagfreek
10-02-2004, 03:01
OOC: Whatever.
Continue, but you know I'm going to have to step up security in Credonia and bring in APTO forces to keep the peace. Have fun.
It was posted in secret IC; technically you don't know he WAS using them. :wink:
OOC: Wow... your right! I couldn't have known about them IC so I should have said "OOC" in front of all my posts.
:roll:
Credonia
10-02-2004, 09:27
tell you what, i'll acknowledge an attack if you REDO your apporach into Credonian waters cuz there no way in hell you can just get in without being detected, ESPECIALLY if you surface just to launch a tomahawk, and normally
Ozymandias IV
10-02-2004, 14:03
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Inner Heaven
10-02-2004, 15:23
*Bump*
tell you what, i'll acknowledge an attack if you REDO your apporach into Credonian waters cuz there no way in hell you can just get in without being detected, ESPECIALLY if you surface just to launch a tomahawk, and normally
OOC: technically im not in Credonian waters territorial waters only go out 24 miles, and you dont have to surface to fire tomahawks they have a submerisble launched model. But ill do it cause I dont get payed unless the attack is accepted.
Secret IC: The 4 subs head towards approx. 75 to 100 miles off the coast of Credonia, the first 3 subs are approx. 10 miles apart the last sub is trailing at 70 miles.
Inner Heaven
11-02-2004, 22:08
BUMP
OOC: Credonia, are you going to get on with this?
Credonia
11-02-2004, 22:26
OOC: yea when i get to it
If you need help Credonia, I can help.