NationStates Jolt Archive


International Space Station proposed

The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:08
I need a few mid range nations to help construct an NS ISS, it would be built in parts, one for each nation. keep in mind that it would cost A LOT and take around 2 weeks RL time to build. the advantage of such a station would include research with possible military applications.

(modern tech)
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:12
Credonia would be willing to help

OOC: I can actually simulate the launches and post the pictures here from each one ;-). btw check this out: http://www.vussp.com i founded and currently run this organization
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:16
you could help with pics of the launch of each individual section








(kinda hoping for your help Credonia)
Iuthia
09-02-2004, 12:16
OOC: Hm... it's a shame I'm near-future tech alot of the time, I have my own Space Station (of sorts) and it's used for building capitol ships for my mediocre (sp) space fleet...

I'm tagging this for interest though.
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:19
Alrighty then. What kind of rockets are you planning on using? (Delta? Atlas?)
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:26
if the launches are occuring at T.A.R.S.C(the atheists reality space center) it would be up to you to decide which rocket to use. each nation would fund their launch and provide the crew for their part of the ISS, but the actual materials would come from my country.
Dyelli Beybi
09-02-2004, 12:29
Dyelli Beybi is deeply interested in this. We are yet to launch anything except satelites into space, but will be more than willing to aid in the funding of a space program in exchange for the technology to launch our own people into space.

(OOC) provided this stays modern tech that is.
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:30
Well i suggest we launch space shuttles and delta rockets (delta's are unmanned) to provide the best possible building results. And i suggest we launch it into an equatorial orbit of about 51.7 degrees (similar to the RL International Space Station), meaning we would need to launch on an azimuth of about 42.3 degrees or so
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:33
also, to add to my statement, i suggest that we launch into a 51.7 degree orbital inclination because it would be more accessable to other nations who wish to join in on this venture
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 12:34
Cousin Eddie would much like to help. Can we volunteer to build the engines? I have several ideas. Also, do you want the countries to contribute to the actual station, or to contribute to the craft that will need to fly up there? We would be happy to work on both.

I might use a new form of engine that uses a solid rubber compound with a liquid oxidiser injected into the middle. This allows the pilot to throttle the fuel allowing more control. It also means the engine can be switched off. It is much safer and more efficient.

Or there are new projects going to introduce more powerful nuclear engines into spacecraft (small ones are currently used in satellites). This will meet opposition from anti-nuclear campaigners. There is also the risk of spreading nuclear material if it blows up.

Let me know what you want.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:35
Dyelli Beybi, you fund every part of the launch, the maintenance and everything else related to YOUR part of the ISS, and of course provide the crew for your part, but i will actually build and maintain it.
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 12:35
Rather the shuttles we could look at using some of the designs competing for the X prize?
Dyelli Beybi
09-02-2004, 12:37
Dyelli Beybi, you fund every part of the launch, the maintenance and everything else related to YOUR part of the ISS, and of course provide the crew for your part, but i will actually build and maintain it.

This seems acceptable to start with, but we wish to ultimately be able to put scientists up without having to rely on your state.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:38
You fund EVERYTHING related to YOUR part of the ISS, i will actually launch,build and maintain it. you may include your own shuttle, etc. if it meets T.A.R.S.C standards
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:38
why use nuclear propellants for soemthign as simple as this. Conventional engines using chemical propellands (liquid hydrogen as the fuel and liquid oxygen as the oxydizer) work just fine and you can still stop and restart the thrusters.

In my opinion, Nuclear propulsion should be used for long duration, 'OUT OF EARTHS ATMOSPHERE' missions due to the radiation hazard.

If your thruster is good enough, it can generate as much specific impulse as a nuclear propulsion thruster (look at the ESA's Ariane rocket)
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 12:42
why use nuclear propellants for soemthign as simple as this. Conventional engines using chemical propellands (liquid hydrogen as the fuel and liquid oxygen as the oxydizer) work just fine and you can still stop and restart the thrusters.

In my opinion, Nuclear propulsion should be used for long duration, 'OUT OF EARTHS ATMOSPHERE' missions due to the radiation hazard.

If your thruster is good enough, it can generate as much specific impulse as a nuclear propulsion thruster (look at the ESA's Ariane rocket)

I agreee about not using nuclear for something like this. But the rubber engines are more efficient and safer than those using just liquid propellants. And its easier to store.

Give me a bit and I will produce some evidence for it.
09-02-2004, 12:43
In secret the USSNR has built a Buran Space Orbiter with an Energia Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle. We currently only have these two, which make up the Buran-Energia Space Shuttle System. As our classified Peoples Socialist Aerospace Command is capable of such tasks as building modules and such, we ask a list of choices first.

Here is an image of our Buran type Russian Space Shuttle and Energia type Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle, with Zenith Strap-On Boosters:
http://k26.com/buran/assets/images/Shuttle_Black1.jpg

Thank you.
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 12:43
The Dr_Twist Goverment could consider aid to the program and even head the program.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:44
state if you wish to build/maintain your own part of the ISS,if you do you will have to ship it to T.A.R.S.C.
I will launch the first part, credonia will do the pics of the actual launch.
Dyelli Beybi
09-02-2004, 12:46
You fund EVERYTHING related to YOUR part of the ISS, i will actually launch,build and maintain it. you may include your own shuttle, etc. if it meets T.A.R.S.C standards

(OOC) You don't need to type it in block capitols, I already fully understood what you were saying.
We fail to see how maintaining a section of a space station when we are incapable of putting a man up on our own is in any way beneficial to our state.
09-02-2004, 12:47
The USSNR Peoples Socialist Aerospace Command shall Build and Maintain our own Part of the ISS, which SHALL BE OPEN To all Nations as a symbol of trust and friendship.

Scientific, Military, Civilian, and such shall be added into this module, which will mainly compose of a Crew Living Area, Crew Sleeping Area, Crew Recreations, Crew Bathing Facilities, Crew Mini-Gym, Military Satellite Moniter Control Room, Scientific Lab, Scientific Control Room, and some other SMALL and medium areas that are cabale to fit in such a module.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:49
credonia, could you do Nodea Rudav's launch with this?http://k26.com/buran/assets/images/Shuttle_Black1.jpg
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:49
you dont need to have the capability to put men up. Look at canada and the US, we launch canadian and european astronauts yet they dont have the capabilities to launch a man (well they do but they dont hve the hardware). Japan doesnt have capabilities to launch men into space yet they are contributing a module to the ISS (in RL)
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:49
credonia, could you do Nodea Rudav's launch with this?http://k26.com/buran/assets/images/Shuttle_Black1.jpg

umm...a buran, yea, there are a couple of models out that i can use
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 12:49
The Dr_Twist Government is Promising to Build a large Chunk of the Space station which would be accessible to all Nations involved in the Project (we have a lot of space stations as it is)
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 12:49
"Like so many other questions one could ask about space travel, the answer is not yet, but soon. All current military, commercial and scientific launches use decades-old rocket technology. The most popular is a solid rocket booster, so called because its oxidizer and fuel—a blend of volatile and hazardous chemicals—are pre-mixed inside the rocket, where they cure into a solid. Once fired, these rockets cannot be shut off or even throttled down. At its core, launching a manned capsule or satellite on a solid rocket booster is the space travel equivalent of tying a green plastic Army man to a bottle rocket and hoping it doesn't blow up. The main exception in the U.S. space program is the troubled shuttle, which uses liquid hydrogen and oxygen in addition to solid fuels (see story "Space Shuttle: The Next Generation"). Soyuz rockets burn liquid oxygen and kerosene fuel.

Yet change is on the horizon. For many years, engineers have designed rockets that separate their solid fuel from liquid or gaseous oxidizers. These so-called hybrid rockets have, in principle, a huge advantage over conventional solid rockets, because a pilot can throttle the flow of oxidizer onto the fuel. What's more, the rubber-based fuel used in hybrid rockets is nontoxic and stable, making it safer, easier and therefore cheaper to work with. "

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,446963,00.html

(OOC:I did a research project on this subject very recently, and I have many more sources like this. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to trust me lol :wink: )

We would be very willing to use our vast reseacrh on this subject to aid in the building of this space station, and for ships travelling to the station.
09-02-2004, 12:50
We fail to see how maintaining a section of a space station when we are incapable of putting a man up on our own is in any way beneficial to our state.

If You like, we shall freely and openly allow Joint Launches of our Space Crew and your Space Crew as a Free Ride to the Station, and we shall support and help build everything you need. If you cannot and are not able to be apart of the ISS, then we shall Ask that you send a few Space Crew to jointly go into missions with ours as a Sign of International Brethrenhood.
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 12:51
I have to go. Please consider me a very willing and active part of this project.
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:52
Well with new technology, someone needs to test it, i wouldnt trust my modules goin up on new untested rockets.
09-02-2004, 12:53
As do I have to go, yet, I ask to remember that my Peoples Socialist Aerospace Command is here to assist any nation in times of trouble for any amount of time, for we are always able to assist, no matter the cost.

Thank you,
-God Bless
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 12:54
We have completely tested rockets and systems we can launch anyone’s parts if they need them.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:55
we have got the following nations down for a part of the ISS



Nodea Rudav

Dr_Twist

Cousin Eddie










Dr_twist, this is modern tech
Dyelli Beybi
09-02-2004, 12:55
We fail to see how maintaining a section of a space station when we are incapable of putting a man up on our own is in any way beneficial to our state.

If You like, we shall freely and openly allow Joint Launches of our Space Crew and your Space Crew as a Free Ride to the Station, and we shall support and help build everything you need. If you cannot and are not able to be apart of the ISS, then we shall Ask that you send a few Space Crew to jointly go into missions with ours as a Sign of International Brethrenhood.

We thank you for the offer, and will accept. Before recently, Dyelli Beybi has had no interest in the stars and as such we have no more than a few foreign made satelites. The only Dyelli Beybian made satelite was recently destroyed.
We are ultimately interested in being capable of launching ourselves, and as such wish to know how it would be possible to aquire the technology to do so.
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 12:56
we have got the following nations down for a part of the ISS



Nodea Rudav

Dr_Twist

Cousin Eddie










Dr_twist, this is modern tech

I am Modern tech :roll:

I am also a close allie of Nodea Rudav and can launch his stuff for him if he wishs...
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 12:57
The Dr_Twist Government is Promising to Build a large Chunk of the Space station which would be accessible to all Nations involved in the Project (we have a lot of space stations as it is)


all launches will occur at TARSC, including parts built in TAR, credonia will do pics and such
Credonia
09-02-2004, 12:58
Credonia would like to add its own module along with a centrifuge to the station. In addition, we can take on MOST of the launching responsibilities for getting these rockets up if needed.
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 12:59
The Dr_Twist Government is Promising to Build a large Chunk of the Space station which would be accessible to all Nations involved in the Project (we have a lot of space stations as it is)


all launches will occur at TARSC, including parts built in TAR, credonia will do pics and such

We do our own launches or nothing, a lot of Our Technology is secret.

And i can guarantee we have better equipment.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 13:00
of course if you want to launches elsewhere, that's up to you.
The Atheists Reality
09-02-2004, 13:02
'you can guarantee yours is better than mine, hmmmmmm
Credonia
09-02-2004, 13:04
nah, credonian hardware is better, but lets not argue about that (we specialize in aircraft, rockets, and the likes)
Dr_Twist
09-02-2004, 13:05
'you can guarantee yours is better than mine, hmmmmmm

But i can’t prove it because of Dr_Twist Strict Secrecy policies.
Dyelli Beybi
09-02-2004, 13:32
this is just getting silly. 'My hardware is better'
'No mine is.'
'No mine.'
Cousin Eddie
09-02-2004, 14:15
At the moment we do not have the technology to do our own launches. Credonia, we would be grateful if we could launch our ships from your platforms. We will contact you at a later date if this is ok.

As I presume the station will be launched from Aetheist Reality, we will be seding a team there to work on the space station. Please confirm that this is ok.
Credonia
09-02-2004, 14:17
At the moment we do not have the technology to do our own launches. Credonia, we would be grateful if we could launch our ships from your platforms. We will contact you at a later date if this is ok.

As I presume the station will be launched from Aetheist Reality, we will be seding a team there to work on the space station. Please confirm that this is ok.

Sounds ok. Just let me know what your needs are and we will try to accomodate them as best as we can.
Kanabia
09-02-2004, 14:49
Kanabia is very interested in being involved in this program. We will decide on what we are contributing later.
Credonia
09-02-2004, 14:59
you should hurry im sure the launches will begin within the next day or so
Kanabia
10-02-2004, 04:35
Understood. We would like to donate a scientific module, complete with state of the art research equipment, including a supercomputer.
10-02-2004, 04:44
the federation of continental democracy would like to offer support by offering two of its Earth Return Vehicles. as well as we would also like to offer to donate a considerable amount of money towards the eventual goal of developing a warp core engine
Quvai-Nischa
10-02-2004, 06:21
The Federation of Quvai-Nischa is worried that the fuels used in launch and travel will be harmful to the enviroment. Therefore, we do not support this project until evidence can be provided of minimal harm to the air we breath.

If such evidence is provided, we would be pleased to contribute high-tech computer equipment and the appropriate technicians to this project.

Sincerely,

Minister of the Environment, Rala Green
Minister of Technology, Todd Frint
Wazzu
10-02-2004, 07:01
OOC: Perhaps you could name this the ISS2 or something? The origional ISS is probably still floating around up there even though the Xth (3rd? 7th? 15th?) thread has long been deleted.

It was quite large and built over a signifigant portion of time. I believe I still have a list of nations and the modules they controlled somewhere on my HD...if anyone wants a look....
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 07:47
What should we name it?



credonia, which launch will you be doing first?
10-02-2004, 07:49
I wish to make a Donation of 500,000 USD to this station.
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 07:55
CorpSac is willing to offer help in this Subject, we are willing to put onto the station the best NBC coutermesures labs and the best Physics labs and scientists to help your people. also any money need jsut ask (as long as it not a stupid amount like 1billion trillion million hillion USD ok)


CorpSac Corporation
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 08:00
a list of people that actually want a part of the ISS


Kanabia
Cousin Eddie
Credonia
Nodea Rudav

missed anyone?
10-02-2004, 08:01
I wish to assist in the contruction of the station
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 08:02
I also want to part of the Project
Henry Kissenger
10-02-2004, 08:03
You can count Hnery Kissenger in.
Credonia
10-02-2004, 09:30
the federation of continental democracy would like to offer support by offering two of its Earth Return Vehicles. as well as we would also like to offer to donate a considerable amount of money towards the eventual goal of developing a warp core engine

Credonia will not work on this project or contribute to it AT ALL if Continental Democracy is allowed in on this venture
Credonia
10-02-2004, 09:31
What should we name it?



credonia, which launch will you be doing first?

Give me a list of the modules and i'll determine which will launch first. right now we need either a command module or a service module placed up there
Cousin Eddie
10-02-2004, 09:37
As this is Atheists Reality's project, may I suggest that they send up their command capsule first, and the rest can join onto it.

I also feel I need to ask a question that has not been addressed yet. Do we need to worry about nations using the station for unjustified military purposes?
Credonia
10-02-2004, 09:41
As this is Atheists Reality's project, may I suggest that they send up their command capsule first, and the rest can join onto it.

I also feel I need to ask a question that has not been addressed yet. Do we need to worry about nations using the station for unjustified military purposes?

I would hope not considering the fact that we have world powers and super powers getting involved in this venture, especially Credonia and were already pissed at the terrorist events that have gone on and were just lookin for a fight

OOC: the next you see credonia make will be one never before seen and it will be unprecidented. Our military effort will call upon the millions of soldiers currently enlisted in the Credonian military. The release of WMD's will be authorized against the terrorists.
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 09:49
a small side note you do know this station would be a Major target for terrorists a factor you might want to put on the station would be some sort of ABM system just in case a nation decide to fire a missile at it.
Rotovia
10-02-2004, 09:53
OOC: Is it too late for me to get involved? And if not let me know how please.
Credonia
10-02-2004, 09:54
My space facilties as well as any Credonian hardware that gets launched from Credonia or anywhere else in the world recieves a FULL SECURITY detail meaning only AUTHORIZED personnel will be able to gain access to the launch facilitiy. Not only that, we have range safety aircraft operating (F-16's, radar planes) just like nasa does so that nothing happens during launch. All the proper and necessary arrangements have been taken into consideration.

(btw, they cant possibly say they shot down our rockets becaue the program i use wont sim that, so whether they like it or not, the pictures stand as they are, proof that they didnt ;-))
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 09:58
i dont mean the shoting down the shuttles i mean shoting down the Station
Credonia
10-02-2004, 10:02
LMAO the chances of being able to do that are slim to none. Provided the sheer orbital mechanics and astrophysics involved, theres almost no way in hell that they could do that, trust me. Not even the US could pull off perfect chances of doing somethign like that. ICBM's simply dont have the fuel for such a maneuver.

EDIT: Not only that, they need the EXACT orbit perameters and they cant get ahold of them unless someone tells them what they are
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 10:05
i will make sure there is maximum security for the launch/es occuring at TARSC
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 10:09
well if a terrorist can get a nuke they could shot down a station, never think something is 100% safe cos it not, hell all you would need to do is get the orbital perameters fire a nuke to deternate at a certain point doesnt matter if they hit the EMP would disable the station most likly killing the crew slowly. and if the station was in the blast might get knocked of orbit and fall down or go to far out. like i sead NEVER think your safe. the US made that mistake and look what happened to them
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 10:24
the only thing we can do is ensure the maximum security possible
Credonia
10-02-2004, 10:58
well if a terrorist can get a nuke they could shot down a station, never think something is 100% safe cos it not, hell all you would need to do is get the orbital perameters fire a nuke to deternate at a certain point doesnt matter if they hit the EMP would disable the station most likly killing the crew slowly. and if the station was in the blast might get knocked of orbit and fall down or go to far out. like i sead NEVER think your safe. the US made that mistake and look what happened to them
It wouldnt kill the crew if there were a CRV, so that in the case that something does happen, or a launch is initiated by an enemy nation that tries to shoot down the station, we would have time to evac and back away from it and bring them safely back to earth. (thats something else we need, a crew return vehicle which Credonia can supply)
Parlim
10-02-2004, 11:17
Need Space Escorts? Parlim is willing to send part of it's 1st fleet to escort the shuttles coming out of orbit, and guard the station while it is being completed.
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 11:33
it is modern tech, Parlim, there are no space fleets
Credonia
10-02-2004, 11:46
OOC: if you guys come up with a list of modules to launch, i can begin launching them in orbiter TODAY, maybe even now since im not doing anything.
Dyelli Beybi
10-02-2004, 11:52
well if a terrorist can get a nuke they could shot down a station, never think something is 100% safe cos it not, hell all you would need to do is get the orbital perameters fire a nuke to deternate at a certain point doesnt matter if they hit the EMP would disable the station most likly killing the crew slowly. and if the station was in the blast might get knocked of orbit and fall down or go to far out. like i sead NEVER think your safe. the US made that mistake and look what happened to them

It would require the Terrorists getting highly advanced missile launch systems, which I strongly doubt they would unless said terrorists were actually a large nation.
Dyelli Beybi
10-02-2004, 11:53
I believe that we need a plan of exactly what modules are actually needed. That way the burden can be spread across the respective Nations and a clear idea as to what is being done will be created.
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 11:54
'spose mine should be the command module, the start.
should include scientific area, including plant research, living quarters and communications area
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 11:54
or the sead terrorist had the money to by such things
Credonia
10-02-2004, 11:55
Well as for the BARE essentials, we ned a command module to hold the brains of the station, a service module for storage and propulsion, and thats really it. The rest can be configured however you want, but the command and service modules are the bare essentials needed to keep it rinning. Dont worry about power supply (im going to use the modules from the VUSSP's space station, and the panels are HUGE). They come with the command module
Credonia
10-02-2004, 11:57
just a note, u cant live in the station on JUST the command and service modules (you could i guess but it would oly fit about 2 astronauts) so the real useage should come with the living quarters module which would be on the 3rd launch if its set up this way. Similar to how they made the real ISS. It was unmanned until the 3rd or 4th module was docked and installed
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 11:58
1st launch will be?
Credonia
10-02-2004, 11:59
1st launch could be either the command or service module. Either one will work since it will be offline anyway and all your doing on the first launch is placing the module in orbit
CorpSac
10-02-2004, 11:59
wont you need power? you should do your command module the power module the what ever elce then another power module and so forth. cos well with out power you wont be able to do much
Credonia
10-02-2004, 11:59
wont you need power? you should do your command module the power module the what ever elce then another power module and so forth. cos well with out power you wont be able to do much

i just said that. The command module is the module in which the solar panels are attached to. see this website for what it looks like: http://www.vussp.com/freedomarchives/construction/
Cousin Eddie
10-02-2004, 12:39
well if a terrorist can get a nuke they could shot down a station, never think something is 100% safe cos it not, hell all you would need to do is get the orbital perameters fire a nuke to deternate at a certain point doesnt matter if they hit the EMP would disable the station most likly killing the crew slowly. and if the station was in the blast might get knocked of orbit and fall down or go to far out. like i sead NEVER think your safe. the US made that mistake and look what happened to them

I am providing EMP for my part of the station. EMP protection can be purchased from:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121693&highlight=
Credonia
10-02-2004, 12:45
Guys, your getting paranoid. Unless you tell them flat out the orbital perameters of the station, then theres no possible way in hell they could find it. Sure the pictures in orbiter have lots of data to display but none of it will have the right data in order to figure the orbital perameters (there is one that i have but i woulnt show it cuz it shows EVERY bit of information on the orbit and its in terms that anyone can understand), and considering most of the RL backgrounds of the terrorist states, im most likely the ONLY one (thats not a terrorist) that could POSSIBLY get the the orbital perameters from the given information since its all in abbreviations. Not only that, they dont know the terminology and its not exactly like you can look it all up in a dictionary (trust me, ive tried before). So what im saying is that the station is safe if 1) we place it high enough in orbit, and 2) if we dont tell or show the orbital perameters of the station.
No_State_At_All
10-02-2004, 12:47
OOC: [size=10]Hm... it's a shame I'm near-future tech alot of the time, I have my own Space Station (of sorts) and it's used for building capitol ships for my mediocre (sp) space fleet...[size]
Ditto, but my spacefleet isnt very big, and i only use an LAMS as future tech. Oh, and a few small differences to real current tech that would take a few years to get up to full operational functionality (note the flash language, dont i sound clever)
Cousin Eddie
10-02-2004, 12:48
I'm not paranoid about the terrorist attack. I think its just worth preparing for every eventuality. And it doesn't cost that much. Plus there are other things in space that could result in the production of EMP.
Credonia
10-02-2004, 12:49
space stations naturaly have emp shielding in their own way. Why is this? Radiation from the sun, it can be stronger than an EMP blast (solar flares). What your wanting is going to cost weight. weight is fuel, fuel is altitude, and it all costs money.
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 12:50
Credonia's right, it would be nigh on impossible for the station to be destroyed by terrorists
10-02-2004, 13:47
are we to late to help?
The Atheists Reality
10-02-2004, 13:58
not at all lima
Cousin Eddie
10-02-2004, 14:28
space stations naturaly have emp shielding in their own way. Why is this? Radiation from the sun, it can be stronger than an EMP blast (solar flares). What your wanting is going to cost weight. weight is fuel, fuel is altitude, and it all costs money.

The suns radiation does not protect them from EMP. If anything it adds to the risk. I do not understand what you are saying here...

Plus why is fuel altitude? I understand about weight meaning more fuel and that costing, but I fail to see why this affects altitude.
10-02-2004, 15:26
http://www.spaceistheplace.ca/skylab.jpg

Fellow International Comrade Brethren, Allies and Neutrals Alike, the Peoples Socialist Aerospace Command has finished Project Skylab Delta. Upon completion, the Skylab Delta module was placed inside the Buran Shuttle Bay and attached to the Energia Heavy Lift Booster.

Launch took place at Midnight.

We will have continued missions to our space station, and if this should become our part in the Space Station then so be it. We can add on to it.

Until then missions will be flown to and from the Skylab Delta Space Station and crews will be exchanged every so often. If our Comrade Brethren whom wishes to to Co-Op Missions with us sends their crew to participate, we have much room for more nations Astronauts and Cosmonauts at any time.

We thank you all for allowing us to participate in this ISS project, perhaps this shall be the first step, perhaps this shall be our own station. Just perhaps this shall be the beginning of a long and prosperious Alliance.

Thank You,
Chief Socialist President Thomas Alexandri Ha'Goth
Leader of the United Socialist States of Nodea Rudav
Credonia
10-02-2004, 15:56
space stations naturaly have emp shielding in their own way. Why is this? Radiation from the sun, it can be stronger than an EMP blast (solar flares). What your wanting is going to cost weight. weight is fuel, fuel is altitude, and it all costs money.

The suns radiation does not protect them from EMP. If anything it adds to the risk. I do not understand what you are saying here...

Plus why is fuel altitude? I understand about weight meaning more fuel and that costing, but I fail to see why this affects altitude.

I never said the sun provided EMP shielding. For christ sake, im the head of a virtual space agency supported by nasa, i know what im talking about. I said that space stations have natural shielding FROM solar radiation which could pose a BIGGER problem than EMP from a nucler weapon or EMP warhead detonation
Credonia
10-02-2004, 15:57
NR, i dont think the Skylab Mod for orbiter will dock with the modules i have with orbiter so it may not be possible to get accurate pics of it
10-02-2004, 15:59
Like I said, Comrade Brethren Credonia, if not it can't be apart, then we shall do Co-Op mission on the Buran-Energia Space Shuttle System and Co-Op crews shall Cooperate on the Skylab Delta Space Station for mission between our two nations.
Angloand
10-02-2004, 16:12
The Angoland nation is very intrested in your endeverments and though we are a new nation we would like to know if there is anything we can do to help!
Credonia
10-02-2004, 16:58
[quote=Credonia]Plus why is fuel altitude? I understand about weight meaning more fuel and that costing, but I fail to see why this affects altitude.

Fuel supply has a DIRECT affect on the altitude you can attain. It has to be able to carry enough fuel to a certain orbit. Not only that, you must take into consideration the type of fuel. If you dont have a powerful fuel mixure (example: alcohol with an oxidizer) then you cant launch very heavy payloads, and you cant put them in very high orbits.

If you dont have enough fuel to get into orbit or BARELY enough fuel to get into orbit, then you cant go to higher altitudes. And it takes at least 1-2 LONG few minute burns to get something from one orbit to another, and between 3 and 5 LONG burns to rendezvous with something in orbit.
The Atheists Reality
11-02-2004, 06:14
bump
The Atheists Reality
11-02-2004, 08:21
bump
Credonia
11-02-2004, 09:49
So Athiest Reality, you want me to go ahead and launch the Command Module?
Cousin Eddie
11-02-2004, 11:51
Sorry Credonia. I wasn't arguing with you, I just didn't understand what you were saying.

Cousin Eddie has a team prepared for dispatching to wherever the station is taking off from to view the launch. Please can you inform us of this location. Our part of the station is not yet complete, but as soon as it is we will transport it to Credonia for launch.
Credonia
11-02-2004, 11:56
OOC: np, sorry if i came off pissy, i was in school and was trying to pump out as many posts as i could b4 the forums started acting up there (i react wierdlyt when im under pressure by time constraints)
The Atheists Reality
11-02-2004, 11:57
launch the module credonia.
Credonia
11-02-2004, 12:12
rgr that, i'll take some pics and post them once i get into orbit
Cousin Eddie
11-02-2004, 12:45
OOC: np, sorry if i came off pissy, i was in school and was trying to pump out as many posts as i could b4 the forums started acting up there (i react wierdlyt when im under pressure by time constraints)

OOC: Understandable. They do the same at my College. I checked out your VUSSP site. Impressive stuff (check your tg's shortly).
Credonia
11-02-2004, 13:36
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122901

The command module is currently in orbit with the shuttle. It will be maneuvered into its proper orbit (which will be disclosed to international partners) later today.
The Atheists Reality
12-02-2004, 06:55
bump
The Atheists Reality
12-02-2004, 07:26
bump
Credonia
12-02-2004, 09:31
Service Module to be launched into orbit in a couple days. I need to calculate the launch time (that takes a little time)
Verboten Lufftewaffe
12-02-2004, 09:51
Hailz Credonia.....Sign me up for what ever is needed...
Credonia
12-02-2004, 10:01
After the service module is launched, who gets a chance to get their module launched is up for grabs. It can be in any order and thats really all thats needed
The Atheists Reality
12-02-2004, 12:39
bump
Credonia
12-02-2004, 12:42
TAR, could you compile a list of nations you want me to launch modules for and the type of module
The Atheists Reality
12-02-2004, 12:58
cousin eddie-?
nodea rudav-?
Kanabia-research module
NOD Forces-?
CorpSac-?
Henry Kissenger-?
Dyelli Beybi-?
Verboten Lufftewaffe-?

these are the nations that want a module, Only Kanabia has said clearly what type of module he/she wants
Credonia
12-02-2004, 13:00
woah boy. Ok. Its gonna take me about a week or so to complete the launch of all of the modules including mine.
Cousin Eddie
12-02-2004, 13:55
For now our module is just a communications module, with very limited research facilities. But we plan to send up future parts to extend it. As our capsule is so primitive, we do not consider it a priority. But if no one else is ready please let us know and we will have it transported to Credonia for launch.