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Anybody intrested in starting a league of catholic nations :?: We will make the world safe for religion and "convert" heretic nations. :idea:

I view your statement as a threat to my nation and region. My government, and the governments of the other nations in my region, are openly atheist. Does this make us barbaric? No, it doesn't. Have I or any other nation in my region attacked religious, in your case catholic, nations, regions, or people? No, we haven't. You sound as though you are prepared for a modern day crusade.

OOC: and I hear people asking why we bash at times... "Convert barbaric heretic nations"

Anybody intrested in starting a league of catholic nations :?: We will make the world safe for religion and "convert" barbaric heretic nations. :idea:
The Holy Republic of Erinin, being a devoted Catholic nation, who also openly offer refuge to foreigners of all creeds. Would like to warn NSC, that the days of "conversion" are long past.
Spreading the message of God is one thing, forcing it down the throats of others at gun point is another. While we are not implying this is your intent, we are fully prepared to go to war against any nation that hide its imperialist agenda behind OUR faith, and so are several other Irish Catholic, and Germanic nations. We will not suffer the stain of papist inspired tyranny again.
Our best wishes in what we expect to be a peaceful endevour.

words are only word, No nation is really "Barbaric" if it has a goverment. That term was used incorrectly and will be removed. Appoligies to all who were offended. :oops:

Wars wars wars! :!: I hate war and the death and destruction that it entails. All conversions will be peaceful. This league of catholic nations will conquer by enlightenment, not by brute force. Military wars of imperialism are what nations of heretics commit.

Do you actually think that a nation will convert because you say your faith is the right one?

Wars wars wars! :!: I hate war and the death and destruction that it entails. All conversions will be peaceful. This league of catholic nations will conquer by enlightenment, not by brute force. Military wars of imperialism are what nations of heretics commit.

Wars end and start problems, and no one can stop that so you might as well keep up in the arms race.

NSC, Erinin finds that open cultural exchange, rather than the dated concept of missionary, or conversion, work much better.
Allowing the world to see a progressive, open and tolerant Christian based Society, that can still maintain the individual right to worship as one sees fit is the better way to go.
To demonstrate our support of Christian nations adding one another we will join your alliance on a probationary basis.
We will not reccomend to our AoH members to join you yet, however, until you have demonstrated the ability to work with the difficult task of 'approaching' nations with your aid and veiws.

Do you actually think that a nation will convert because you say your faith is the right one?

No. It is because your people demand you convert. It can go either way, England converted to protestant because its king wanted it to. However, the vast majority of times it goes the other way.

OCC: New south Cuba requests to send 5,000 missionaries to Pyronea.
These men are devout catholics and will preach in the streets of your cities.

Do you actually think that a nation will convert because you say your faith is the right one?

No. It is because your people demand you convert. It can go either way, England converted to protestant because its king wanted it to. However, the vast majority of times it goes the other way.

OCC: New south Cuba requests to send 5,000 missionaries to Pyronea.
These men are devout catholics and will preach in the streets of your cities.
The Holy Republic of Erinin has just ended its probationary membership of NSCs alliance.

OCC: New south Cuba requests to send 5,000 missionaries to Pyronea.
These men are devout catholics and will preach in the streets of your cities.

I will intercept your missionaries and blown them out of the sky or water if you do.

NSC, Erinin finds that open cultural exchange, rather than the dated concept of missionary, or conversion, work much better.
Allowing the world to see a progressive, open and tolerant Christian based Society, that can still maintain the individual right to worship as one sees fit is the better way to go.
To demonstrate our support of Christian nations adding one another we will join your alliance on a probationary basis.
We will not reccomend to our AoH members to join you yet, however, until you have demonstrated the ability to work with the difficult task of 'approaching' nations with your aid and veiws.

You are most correct. Converting to Catholicism does not mean it has to be your state religion, just that your nation has to allow it to exist. This new catholic leagues seeks to open atheist and communist nations to the goodness that Christianity provides.

My people will not demand that I convert, if you read my nations category, "father knows best." If any demand that I convert they will either be killed of deported. It is MY country it will be run as I see fit.

OCC:

OOC: Don't you mean?

IC: Send 5,000 missionaries to my nation? HA! Surely you jest? The moment any people are seen preaching the streets they will be immediatly detained and "dealt" with later. (I prefer torture, Spanish Inquisition style)

Ok, ok. My approach is flawed. You treat religion as if it were the plague. I doubt a few missionaries could do anything to upset a large and strong athesit country. It would be like and elephant squashing an ant. :o

Ok, ok. My approach is flawed. You treat religion as if it were the plague. I doubt a few missionaries could do anything to upset a large and strong athesit country. It would be like and elephant squashing an ant. :o

LOL, If it was me religion wouldn't mean nothing, I'd just come and invade you and use your land for my uses.

My people will not demand that I convert, if you read my nations category, "father knows best." If any demand that I convert they will either be killed of deported. It is MY country it will be run as I see fit.

OCC:

OOC: Don't you mean?

IC: Send 5,000 missionaries to my nation? HA! Surely you jest? The moment any people are seen preaching the streets they will be immediatly detained and "dealt" with later. (I prefer torture, Spanish Inquisition style)

OCC the Goverment of New south Cuba has warned all its citizens in Pyronea to not display their religous beliefs in public due to recent violent actions that were provoked by catholics. This warning is effective immedatily.

I do not seek an alliance persay, just a group of Catholic nations that will share their opinions in order to open up the world to religion. Basically we will discuss routes that we can take to promote our faith. (NO WARS or Hostile takeovers)

You treat religion as if it were the plague

That I do. Over the course of human history religion has been the excuse and reason for war and corruption. It has also caused the death of millions of innocent people. The Roman Catholic Church used it's influence over the people of Europe to gain large amounts of money, land and armies. The Crusades, WW2 and other wars have been started because of religion. The Spanish Inquisition tortured and killed many people simply because they did not hold the same beliefs. Religion IS a plague.

You treat religion as if it were the plague

That I do. Over the course of human history religion has been the excuse and reason for war and corruption. It has also caused the death of millions of innocent people. The Roman Catholic Church used it's influence over the people of Europe to gain large amounts of money, land and armies. The Crusades, WW2 and other wars have been started because of religion. The Spanish Inquisition tortured and killed many people simply because they did not hold the same beliefs. Religion IS a plague.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1136440,00.html

Here is something more recent that an "athesist" nation is doing.

North Korea is a communist state, we do not follow the same political views or ideas.

I do not starve my people into cannibalism. I do not use fertile farm lands for growing opium. I do not execute people for trying to leave me country. I do not kill journalists in my country. My economy is not headed down the crapper.

You treat religion as if it were the plague

That I do. Over the course of human history religion has been the excuse and reason for war and corruption. It has also caused the death of millions of innocent people. The Roman Catholic Church used it's influence over the people of Europe to gain large amounts of money, land and armies. The Crusades, WW2 and other wars have been started because of religion. The Spanish Inquisition tortured and killed many people simply because they did not hold the same beliefs. Religion IS a plague.
The People of Bedou would like to remind Pyronea that religion was merely the excuse, ad not the cause for everthing named above.
The cause is the corruption that lies in all men, atheists included.
New Southern Cuba, we do not support your endevour, at all.
However in the Bedouin tradition your misionaries will not be harmed should they the cross the paths of our people.
The Prophet's compassion be with you.

So you're saying that corruption caused the Holocaust? Corruption caused the Spanish inquisition? Corruption caused the death of millions of innocent people for no reason without profit?

Well, it seems it's already tomorrow. (Or is it today?) A dictator needs his rest. I will contiue this argument at a later date.

So you're saying that corruption caused the Holocaust? Corruption caused the Spanish inquisition? Corruption caused the death of millions of innocent people for no reason without profit?
The Holocaust was not caused by religion, it was aided by papist corruption, and perpatrated by an Atheist regime, the Nazi's eliminated Catholics, Protestants and Jews. You are obviously less educated then you originally had appeared.
You believe that faith in God makes people do bad things? Because that is what you are sayying.
Read a book instead of watching the history channel.
http://histclo.hispeed.com/schun/country/ger/era/tr/cur/nedc-rel.html
http://histclo.hispeed.com/act/rel/hist/rh-nazi.html
Some examples of the corrupt using religion.
At the link below(from rutgers) please see page 5, section C, part 2.
Or really surprise me and read the whole thing.
http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/churches.pdf

Another link to show you , you are mis-informed.
http://home.snafu.de/bifff/SPDengl.htm

"The Nazi religion was based on the occult, Nordic mythology, earth worship, divination, race and ethnic consciousness, and other beliefs that have made a sort of comeback in today's culture under rubrics such as "New Age" and multiculturalism. The Communist religion is atheism. The Communist State is worshiped in the place of God as the instrument of redemption. Both Socialisms derive their moral standard from what is most likely to further enthrone Socialist power. Both view the individual, marriage, private property, industry, and national sovereignty as obstacles standing in the way of that power."A Jew Examines the Nazi Holocaust
By Chuck Morse Link (http://www.chuckmorse.com/a_jew_examines_holocaust.html)