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Iraqi News Agency

BAGHDAD, AL ANBAR (INA) - Today is a glorius day for the people of Al Anbar!

The Iraqi Armed Forces have tested both two new missiles named "al-Abid 2" and the "al-Hussein 2".

The scientists of the people have developed these two new missiles that have the great capabilities. The "al-Abid 2" missile is able to reach distances up to 4,250km and can launch satellites into orbit. The fuel for the rocket is based on a liquid solution. The "al-Hussein 2" reaches ranges up to 3,750km. Both missiles can use a variety of warheads, including high explosives, chemicals, and nuclear.

The al-Hussein 2, named after our great President Saddam Hussien, can carry up to forty five thousand kilogram (45,000 kg) payload. The al-Abid 2 can carry up to one metric ton worth of payload.

This is a glorius day for Iraq, Al Anbar, and the people of our glorius nation!

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For anyone monitoring Al Anbar with satellites:

The first flights of the missiles occured today. Five Al Hussein 2 missiles and four Al Abid 2 missiles, packed the the fullest with high explosives were launched into the stronghold of the Ansar al-Islam group in Northern Iraq. Iraqi and Kurdish peshmerga forces have been engaged in battle with them for days now. The missiles totally devastated their positions and seemed to be very accurate, as they hit Ansar al-Islam positions accurately, positions that had held out against Iraqi attacks.

After that, Iraqi forces advanced with practically no resistance from the Ansar al-Islam group.

OOC: You know I'd shoot those missiles down almost the second they were launched anywhere near my borders, don't you? My missiles systems would probably intercept before any high-level officers knew it was incoming....

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Hrm, I'm surprised that the UN isn't looking into this, seeing as how they are pursuing the R&D of WoMD.

OOC: You know I'd shoot those missiles down almost the second they were launched anywhere near my borders, don't you? My missiles systems would probably intercept before any high-level officers knew it was incoming....

OOC: Well, go ahead, but once again, that violates our treaty. Ansar al-Islam is not located near Turkey, anyway. It's along the Persian border.

OOC: Shooting down incoming missiles wasn't a part of the treaty...it only involved me using force against your nation offensively or providing military aide to those who do, and vice-versa. Since the missiles would likely be fired from central Iraq ("Sunni triangle" area) they would have the distinct appearance of heading in the general direction of my forces in the Turkey province...anyways, if you're attacking the Kurds and all then they're not acting offensively against you, now are they?

I recommend that you re-read the treaty that was actually produced.

OOC: You know I'd shoot those missiles down almost the second they were launched anywhere near my borders, don't you? My missiles systems would probably intercept before any high-level officers knew it was incoming....

The Gulf States would also like to announce their position (see above), especially with their involvement in possibly saving Kuwait.

Then again, all of our territories are farther than 2800 miles from the Middle East.

OOC: TGS, I take it that you follow my idea of "unless it's announced to me or clearly not for me or an ally, it's being shot down/blown apart/ignited either as it is launched, while it is en route, or on the way to the target"?

Pretty much yes. Although if they were announced and as part of a war (planned with the other party), it would still have a success rate of taking out missiles. We'd let a few slip through to get some fairness.

OOC: Shooting down incoming missiles wasn't a part of the treaty...it only involved me using force against your nation offensively or providing military aide to those who do, and vice-versa. Since the missiles would likely be fired from central Iraq ("Sunni triangle" area) they would have the distinct appearance of heading in the general direction of my forces in the Turkey province...anyways, if you're attacking the Kurds and all then they're not acting offensively against you, now are they?

I recommend that you re-read the treaty that was actually produced.

OOC: No, this is not correct.

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A missile, launched from say, the desert west of Baghdad, would obviously look like it is heading toward the Iranian border. It would be going to an area east of Kirkuk, not toward you at all.

Secondly, Ansar al-Islam is not a Kurdish group, but is a Al Qaida associated group IRL, and that is what I am basing it on in the NSWorld. IRL they controlled only a small area in the autonomous Kurdish area and had only a couple hundred fighters, so its not like its a massive force trying to stop me. It's more like I am trying to destroy it, since they are these Jihadist types, which contradicts Iraq's secularist government.

Thirdly, why can't you just accept that I have made a deal with the Kurdish fighters? Especially since it was broadcasted on their own satellite channel that operates from their northern area. The way I am portraying it here is that the Kurds rather fight another day than die today fighting a hopeless battle. In the 1980's they allied themselves with Iran and lost. They allied themselves with the Americans in 1991 and were totally wrecked before the Americans could come and put a no fly zone over the area. Then in 2003, the Americans lost against me and therefore, I would have no trouble to crush them with my new military might. Therefore, they have decided to side with us (even temporarly) than die right now.

OOC: Firstly, your third point is complete BS...the Kurds have never allied themselves with the Baathists...so it's irrelevant that you claimed to be their voice. It's like saying that the PA is seriously joining with the IDF to crack down on the Al Aksa Brigade or Fatah (both parts of the PLO, which is effectively the PA) or saying that Greece and Turkey have joined to fight the PKK in Turkey (which Greece has previously funded and supported). Complete BS. If you push this story line then WA-Peshmerga forces will reunite Iraq under Kurdish rule...and your flip-flops and claims of civilian casualties under false excuses won't save your ass in this RP. Either you allow for the fact that people will take anything Iraq or the former republic of Iraq says as propoganda and hence generally false or you try to follow the realities of the situation and improve the opinion that others have of you by RPing realistic losses without grossly inflated or deflated casualties to meet your interests. The Peshmerga have sacrificed hundreds of lives to live freely apart from Saddam's rule, I doubt that they're concerned enough about your threats to give in with so much international support in place. Oh, and you still haven't explained how Iraq defeated the US without air support, capable tank systems, or armies remaining past the US airstrikes...so unless you're going to explain that realistically, there's no sense that you have anywhere near enough military might to impose such pressures on the Kurds.

Secondly, your second point....I know they're not Kurds and, in fact, that the Kurds and US teamed up to drive them out as a part of the US Special Operations Forces/Peshmerga drives in the north during the first few weeks of the 2nd Gulf War. But Saddam, while annoyed by them, couldn't expect to draw Kurdish support for their eradication.

Thirdly, your first (unnumerated) point: Since a great deal of Iraq's ballistic missile systems were kept centrally near Baghdad (with some units, although not many, in the more western parts of the country), the missiles would likely begin their flight near Baghdad, heading pretty much straight Northward...which places the strike in the Eastern part of Turkey or at least near the Turkish-Iranian border....you never specified that it was a strike from the West (which would be tactically ridiculous since your aim is to place a large amount of explosives in a target zone and firing your weapons from twice as far away as would be necessary is just silly when so many units are closer and easier to maintain communications and exchange targeting information with) and so I assumed that your armed forces obeyed some sense of tactics and logical thought. The ABM systems that Western Asia deploys tend to take any ballistic missile approaching within a good radius of the country as an enemy unit unless it has been programed to the contrary...so even a missile that is targeted up to, say, 400mi from the border would likely be automatically engaged.

2 things: The missles would have to be huge. A.K.A easy targets and Hussein, your "president" is now in an American jail cell so HA!