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OOC:I was just wondering how my navy compares with yours, just so I can see where I am at in the "water"

No pun intended

IC:Today we put forth the following forces as to see whether or not our naval forces compare with yours.

100xAEGIS Class Flight IIA
750xCrow Class
600xHades-Class Attack Submarine
500xNimitz Class

Although we do not have much of a variety we are soon to expand, I would like comments and discussion. Thank you.


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ha, my navy's much smaller but at least it can leave port unlike yours :lol: i.e no auxilaries, minesweepers, oilers etc. Also without planes and helicopters those carriers arent much good!

^^Ok, look here. :roll:
I said "Naval Comparison" I do have aircraft for those carriers, I was just posting the NAVY, it had nothing to do with aircraft in any way, shape, or form.

Please read before posting.

Credonia's military/navy can be described here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101715&highlight=

^^Ok, look here. :roll:
I said "Naval Comparison" I do have aircraft for those carriers, I was just posting the NAVY, it had nothing to do with aircraft in any way, shape, or form.

Please read before posting.

Well aircraft that operate friom Carriers are in every country in the world part of the NAVY!

Also what about auxilaries, no Navy can operte without them.

I'm fairly certain your nation couldn't even support 100 Nimitz carriers.

As for my nation's navy...I'm probably going to be redoing it soon...I'm thinking about reducing my nation's population to 700 million some.

Actually I have a GDP of 70 trillion dollars

it cost 160 million per nimitz a year

times that by 500

80 billion a year. So I can support it.

Also what about auxilaries, no Navy can operte without them.

I'm going to buy some here directly.

Unum Veritas, for security reasons, does not release exact numbers of the navy (its primary force) however it does release the ship groupings. When a ship is commissioned it is detailed to either an armada, a carrier battle group (much smaller than an armada), or an amphibious assault group. CBG and AAG groups are pretty common and changed and augmented depending on various situations, however armada makeup is permanent and its power can be nearly doubled by that addition of a MOBO (Mobile Offshore Base of Operations).

Each Armada is composed of the following ships:
2 Elessar Class Supercarriers
4 Nimitz Class Carriers
2 Inchon Class Command Minesweepers
6 Avenger Class Minesweepers
14 Weathered Class Torpedo Boats
15 Fleet Defense Catamarans
1 Command Ship
100 Hovercraft Troop Transports
2 Hospital Ships
6 Los Angeles Class Fast-Attack Subs
6 Seawolf Class Submarines
8 Virginia Class Future Attack Subs
5 Ohio Class SSBN’s
5 Ohio Class SSGN’s
70 Hover Attack/Blockade Craft
5 Hovercraft Transport Ships
5 Wasp Class Amphibious Assault Ships
4 Hellfire Class Heavy Cruisers
15 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Class Destroyers
6 Zumwalt Class Destroyers
8 Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Destroyers
25 Visby Class Stealth Corvettes
10 Oliver Hazard Perry Class ASW Frigates
10 Streetfighter Catamaran Littoral Combat Ships
8 Arsenal Ships
60 Pegasus Hydrofoil Patrol Craft
12 Sea Shadow Stealth Catamaran Assault Ships
3 Helicopter Assault Ships
6 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Vessels
3 Emory-Land Class Submarine tenders
6 AOE-1 Sacramento Class Fast Combat Support Ships


Aerial Assets:
30 X-29's (STOVL)
40 F-117 Nighthawks (CTOL)
40 UV-00 Archangels (CTOL)
30 UV-00 Archangels (VTOL)
30 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (CTOL)
35 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (VTOL)
30 F-22 Raptors (CTOL)
40 F-23 Black Widow II (STOVL)
35 F-23 Black Widow II (VTOL)
40 F-14E Ultra Tomcats
50 F/A-18 Super Hornets
10 AC-150 Tankers
10 CSA (ELINT, AEW, ASW, LOGISTICS)
30 EA-6B Prowlers
20 S-3B Vikings
20 Sea Kings VIP/ASW Helos
60 V-22 Osprey
35 UH-60 Blackhawks
25 AH-64 Apache Attack Helos (folding rotor)
20 MH-53E Sea Dragons (mine countermeasures)
30 CH-46 Sea Knights
30 CH-53 Sea Stallions
10 SH-3 SAR Helicopters
30 UH-1 Marine Corp Helicopters
30 AH-1 Marine Corp Helicopters


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OOC: Personally I find it a bit silly that you have more Super Carriers then you have Cruisers...

Though I'll admit that I have yet to post full naval figures, I'm not going to have more then 100 Carriers do to the cost of such forces...

Here are a few links to learn of the other types of naval units you can add to your military to make it interesting... if anyone has a go at your navy not having support vessal posted, just include the words "plus support vessals" when noting your deployment... to demand that someone posts their:

Planes
Helicopters
Secondary Boats (i.e to one on another boat)
Personnel
Support Vessals
ect.

Is pretty anoying, people don't know all of that and it's pedantic for them to ask for it all the time. Next thing you know it will be "how many rounds are your men carrying?"


However, you may want to look at some of these links for ideas:

Information on the Carrier Battle Group, how many ships you could use to defend your carriers and attack with. (http://www.cadre.maxwell.af.mil/warfarestudies/wpc/wpc_txt/navy/cvbg.htm)

Lots of specifications and lists of all U.S, Russian and English vessals, great detial and easy to understand. (http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/)

Official U.S Navy Websit, lots of information. (http://www.navy.mil/)

I would like to note that America only have about 11 Carriers at the moment, only 7 of which are Nimtz, though they are building some more.

I may also add that Carriers will cost alot more when they are in action.

Alot of nations may wish to ignore 500 Super Carriers... it looks odd to me, but I'm not going to dispute it right now...

double post

Our Navy is currently very small consdiering the size of our nation and a frightening economy and we will be expanding slightly. However UE has never required a larger force than the present one, and our nation preferes to invest in quality of equipment and more importnantly in personnel selection and training.

Navy
"aut vincere aut mori"

Ships in the Elias Navy are categorized in three states of readiness: ‘operational’ means it is fully manned and active. ‘Reserve’ means that the ship is maintained with a skeleton crew but could be made ‘operational’ within ten days. Vessels that are in ‘Extended reserve’ are effectively mothballed with just enough maintenance to avoid deterioration and they could be made ‘operational’ within one month.


Operational:

3 President Class Aircraft Carriers*
4 Kiev class Light Aircraft Carriers
6 Dolphin Light Aircraft Carriers*
11 Abdullah Class Cruisers (modified Slava class)
9 Kara Class Missile Cruisers
17 Tigris Class Destroyers (modified Flight IIA Arleigh Burke class)
16 Sovremenny class Destroyers
9 Udaloy class Destroyers
4 Modified Type 15 destroyers
37 Beluga Frigates*
41 Barracuda Corvettes*
84 Piranha Fast Attack Boats*
46 10412 coastal patrol boats
6 Newport Class landing Ships
2 Ivan Rogov Class landing ships
16 Sea Lion class Landing Ships*
28 Manatee class Sealift ships*
18 EM-75/1 Fleet oilers*
12 EM-80 Combat Support Vessels*
7 Vishnya Intelligence collection Vessels
30 EM-50 class Minesweepers*
7 Leviathan class Nuclear submarines*
7 Akula class Nuclear submarines
6 Victor III Nuclear submarines
4 Sierra II Nuclear submarines
12 Tigershark class class Diesel-Electric submarines*
2 Lada Amur class Diesel-Electric submarines
9 Kilo class Diesel-Electric submarines
5 Foxtrot class Diesel-Electric submarines (mostly used for training)
+Numerous Air Cushioned Landing Craft and small vessels

Reserve:

4 Kara Class Missile Cruisers
4 Kynda class Missile Cruisers
3 Kashin Destroyers
6 Modified Type 15 destroyers
4 Foxtrot class diesel-electric submarines
5 Ivan Rogov Landing ships
3 Anchorage class Landing Ships
4 Boris Chilkin replenishment ships

Extended Reserve:

4 Kynda class Missile Cruisers
4 Sverdlov battle Cruisers
7 Parchim class Frigates
11 Krivak Frigates
7 Nanchuka III Corvettes
5 Nanchuka II Corvettes
9 Boris Chilkin replenishment ships
18 Natya class Minesweepers


Naval Aircraft:

78 EA-24H Naval Helicopters*
46 EA-22H Naval Helicopters*
18 Mi-26 Heavylift helicopters*
36 Tu-154 Maritime Patrol Aircraft
22 Il-38 Maritime Patrol Aircraft
36 Il-76 Transports
4 E-6 Airborne Command Posts and Relay aircraft
18 EA-80B Tankers*
64 F/A-18UE Carrier based Fighters
32 Su-30MUE-K Carrier based Fighters
18 Yak-141 V/STOL Carrier Based Fighters
36 EA-220B Carrier Based Joint Tactical Bombers*
24 EA-60B Carrier Based ASW aircraft*
26 EA-60D carrier Based Electronic Warfare aircraft*
12 EA-60C Carrier based AEW aircraft*

Reserve Naval Aircraft:

24 Mi-14 ASW Helicopters
38 Ka-27 ASW Helicopters
11 Be-12 ASW Amphibious aircraft

-Marine Support Aviation: (Operated by Navy)

14 EA-22C Transport Helicopters*
52 EA-24G Special Forces helicopters*
44 EA-32B Light Attack Helicopters*
36 EA-28G Light Special Forces Helicopters*


Navy Nuclear Forces:
Air Launched

42 B61-10 Tactical Nuclear satellite guided bombs with 340 kiloton yield.

18 EAW-12ER(N) Air Launched Cruise Missiles with variable yield Nuclear Warheads*

Submarine Launched

36 SS-N-21 Granit Submarine Launched Cruise Missiles armed with 200 kiloton Nuclear warheadd.

Ship Launched

38 Yakhont-3 Anti ship missiles armed with 12 kiloton nuclear warheads.*

52 EAW-22(N) Ship/Submarine Launched Cruise Missiles armed with 180 kiloton Nuclear warheads. *

150+ Nuclear depth charges of varying yields

* Denotes indigenous devlopement details of which can be found HERE (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74809)

So I can support it.While you may have the money (the ships would cost you over a 300th of your nation's GDP), I still doubt your nation could practically have 500 Nimitzs.

So I can support it.While you may have the money (the ships would cost you over a 300th of your nation's GDP), I still doubt your nation could practically have 500 Nimitzs.

what abput the initial purchase prices as well: 500 x 4,000,000 is A LOT of money and thats without planes, crew or even the facilities to maintain build and base that many ships.

The Imperial Layartebian Navy and the entire Imperial Layartebian Military can be found:

HERE (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/military.htm)

Isselmere-Nieland's armed forces (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115710)

The LRR navy is medium-sized, with far more missile boats than most people think necessary. The navy is organized into four sections.

Surface Warfare

2x Kuznetzov Class Carriers
3x Kirov Class Cruisers
6x Slava Class Cruisers
25x Sovremenny Class Destroyers
25x Udaloy Class Destroyers
40x Krivak Class Frigates
5x Fridtjof Nansen Class Frigates
30x Tarantul Class Missile Boats
12x Vosper II Class Antimissile Corvettes
1x Fredrick Douglass class Destroyer (Experimental replacement for the Udaloys)
50x Su-33 Flankers
60x Yak-141 Freestyles
~118x Ka-27 ASW helicopters

Subsurface Warfare

12x Kilo Class Submarines
8x Gotland Class Submarines
4x Victoria Class Submarines

Coast Defense

30x Bras d'Or Class Hydrofoil Patrol Boats
60x Hauk Class Patrol boats
10x Falcon Class Antisub Ships
10x Albatross Class Antisub Ships
50x 155mm howitzers
70x Tornado IDSs
20x Sea Kings
20x Nimrod 2000s
6x Tu-142s
40x Skjold II Class Missile boats
60x Bora II Class Missile Boats

Auxilliary

6x Ivan Rogov Class Landing Ships
50x Zubr Class LCACs
180x Serna Class Landing Craft
3x Ourgan Class Landing Ships
15x Okean Class Spy Trawlers
2x Sensors Ships
6x Marko Ramius Class Icebreakers
10x Elbe Class Fleet Oilers
6x Mercy Class Hospital Ships
8x Sandown Class Minesweepers
50x Various Hovercrafts

Note: This is the entire LRR navy. LRR patrol and missile boats double as minesweepers.

[note: the following numbers do not include the Royal Iansislean Navy’s large number of torpedo boats, gun boats, and support craft nor the Royal Iansislean Revenue Service’s cutters. Only the most basic statistics on each class is given.]

Capital Ships (7)

Behemoth-Class Battleship (3)
Ships: HIMS Behemoth, Gargantuan, and Colossus
Displacement: 46,000 tons
Belt Armor: 15” max
Primary Armament: 9 x 16”/45
Speed: 29-30 knots

Undauntable-Class Battleship (1)
Ships: HIMS Undauntable
Displacement: 33,000 tons
Belt Armor: 13” max
Primary Armament: 8 x 14”/45
Speed: 24 knots

Queen Jessica-Class Battlecruiser (2)
Ships: HIMS Queen Jessica and King James II
Displacement: 36,000 tons
Belt Armor: 8” max
Primary Armament: 2 x 14”/45 ; 4 x 12”/50
Speed: 34 knots

Queen Jessica-Class Battlecruiser (modified) (1)
Ships: HIMS King Ian V
Displacement: 37,000 tons
Belt Armor: 8” max
Primary Armament: 6 x 14”/45
Speed: 35 knots

Mobile Aeroflyer Docks (4)

Salvador-class Mobile Aeroflyer Dock (3)
Ships: HIMS Salvador, Galloquoi, and Augsburg
Displacement: 29,000 tons
Belt Armor: 5” max
Primary Armament: 52 aeroflyers
Speed: 30 knots

Vanguard-class Mobile Aeroflyer Dock (modified King Ian-class battleship) (1)
Ships: HIMS Vanguard
Displacement: 17,500 tons
Belt Armor: 7” max
Primary Armament: 18 aeroflyers
Speed: 26 knots


Cruisers (21)

Tremendous-class Armored Cruiser (3)
Ships: HIMS Tremendous, Superb, and Stupendous
Displacement: 21,000 tons
Belt Armor: 9.2” max
Primary Armament: 8 x 12”/50
Speed: 22 knots

Shield-class Heavy Cruiser (10)
Ships: HIMS Shield, Gadsan, Noropia, Dianatran, Troobodia, Tharia, Laughlin, Nusheld, Vesshampton, and Weshield
Displacement: 13,000 tons
Belt Armor: 4.5” max
Primary Armament: 8 x 8”/50
Speed: 32 knots

Aegean-class Light Cruiser (8 )
Ships: HIMS Antilochus, Ajax, Odysseus, Hector, Briareus, Patroclus, Andromache, and Telemachus
Displacement: 7,800 tons
Belt Armor: 3.5” max
Primary Armament: 9 x 6”/52
Speed: 26 knots

Destroyers (38 )

Tiger-class Destroyer (21)
Ships: HIMS Tiger, Elephant, Gorilla, Zebra, Gazelle, Arabian Oryx, Lion, Colt, Rhinoceros, Bison, Deer, Cougar, Leopard, Hippopotamus, Labrador, Cheetah, Eagle, Frog, Dolphin, Owl, and Rattlesnake
Displacement: 2,800 tons
Belt Armor: 3” max
Primary Armament: 6 x 4.7”/50
Speed: 34 knots

Protector-class Destroyer (17)
Ships: HIMS Protector, Guardian, Legendary, Guiding Spirit, Defender, Patroler, Heroic, Intrepid, Dauntless, Valiant, Valorous, Gallant, Bulwark, Courageous, Proactive, Glamarous, and Proactive
Displacement: 1,900 tons
Belt Armor: 1” max
Primary Armament: 2 x 4.7”/50
Speed: 37 knots

Convoy Escorts (84)
(note: A Tremendous or Aegean will usually serve as the flagship of a convoy escort; however, those ships are also frequently used for other operations. As such, they’re not included here.

Another note: As the threat to Gallaga-bound convoys increases, the R.I.N. has found itself forced to purchase fishing trawlers and draft them into service. The 47 that have been refitted with a single 4.7” gun, depth-charge thrower, and ASDIC are lumped together into an average category, though no such uniformity exists in actuality.)

Delton-class Frigate (10)
Ships: HIMS Lakeriverwood, Emba, Empire, Ianapalis, Coastal Paradise, Thesia, Chateau, Oasis, Thorntree, and Copplestone
Displacement: 1,200 tons
Belt Armor: 0.45” max
Primary Armament: 2 x 4.7”/50
Speed: 22 knots

Halswick-class Sloop (27)
Ships: HIMS Halswick, Westergate, Pennsbridge, Pentonham, Buttresswick, Devonton, Upperston, Valous-on-Mans, Hearldwick, Easterham, Petrimburg, Bestington, Dalton, Interwick, Foreston, Furthingham, Einsburg, Manston, Clyfton-on-Daldon, Norteton, Beningham, Grace, Gretchinton, Ligitarbridge, Daldonford, Geussings, and Dalenford
Displacement: 1,100 tons
Belt Armor: 0.25” max
Primary Armament: 2 x 4.7”/50
Speed: 19 knots

[various]-class A/S Trawlers (47)
Ships: (hull number only
Displacement: 285 tons
Belt Armor: none
Primary Armament: 1 x 4.7”/50
Speed: 13.5 knots

((bloody forums :?))

what abput the initial purchase prices as well: 500 x 4,000,000 is A LOT of money and thats without planes, crew or even the facilities to maintain build and base that many ships.I took all of them into account, except for building facilities and planes.

[note: the following numbers do not include the Royal Iansislean Navy’s large number of torpedo boats, gun boats, and support craft nor the Royal Iansislean Revenue Service’s cutters. Only the most basic statistics on each class is given.]

OOC: *Cough Cough* Owner of the nation Iuthia slowly shuffles his feet towrads Iansisle...


I don't suppose you mind me using this format for presenting my OOC navy sometime, I've wanted to do it for some time but I've been having a headache over how to present the information.

The following would be changed of course...

> The Ships... I use US ships as a template and then replace names to make them Iuthian...

> The Stats... I use the stats from above ships changed in a realistic manner depending on customisation (i.e technology). So basically I'l be looking at the US ships (both planned and real) and making slight realistic changes... probably totally different from yours, though presented in the same way.

> The Names... goes without saying.

> The Number... Iuthia is not only a slighter bigger nation, but they have different idea about military too... so we will depend on different numbers of different vessals.

What can I say, I love the wy you've presented it...

((Hey, steal away! ;) I'm actually rather honored you think so highly of my humble efforts.

Oh, and you may wish to change 'Mobile Aeroflyer Docks' to 'Aircraft Carriers', too. ;)))

Okay, prepare to laugh, folks...

8 Oilers
22 "Liberty Ship" Cargo vessels
12 Underway Replenishment Vessels
4 Craneships
2 Floating Drydocks
64 PT (Patrol Torpedo) class boats (68 footers, two 12" torpedoes, 4 .50 cal. MG's)
22 Cayman Class Hydrofoil patrol boats (80 footers, 2" main gun, four Torpedo Tubes, 2 quad-Stinger mounts)
6 Oliver H. Perry Class Frigates.
1 BB-Class Battleship (Iowa Class)
1 Navajo-Class LST
6 150 Ft. Coast Guard Cutters
43 Navalized UH-1A Helos
11 Tugboats
10 NAH (Navalized AH)-1 Supercobras
34 PBR's (Patrol Boat, Riverine)
1 Shipyard (Vin Drin Lap) installation at the mouth of the Mekong River.
13 OH-6 Light Observation Helos
2 PBY Flying Boats

We intend to purchase some Destroyers and Cruisers soon-but a Supercarrier's just going to have to wait ...

Al Khali Republican Coast Guard-

Vessels-
3x Omar Class light patrol frigates
1,400t full load, 300x34x10ft
18kt cruise, 39kt sprint
1x122mm gun, 4x SS-N-22 Sunburn anti ship missile, 1x ASW mortar, SA-N-8 SAM, 4x30mm cannon, 3x12.7mm machinegun
128 officers and men
Note:The Al Khals military is thought to possess only a few Sunburn anti-ship missiles, and may struggle to replace any fired.


8x Dimuqratiyah Class missile patrol vessels
225 ton full load, 142x22x7ft
33 knots
1x76.2mm gun, C-201 anti-ship missile, 1x30mm AA cannon, 1x12.7mm machinegun
29 officers and men


46x Khali Class inshore patrol launches (Khals Guard wing of Coast Guard)
Small vessels capable of navigating many of the nation’s rivers and larger canals at moderate speeds. Armed with dual mount 12.7mm machineguns and a 30mm cannon, they also frequently carry tube-launched unguided rockets and shoulder-launched SA-7 or SA-14 SAMs. May be seen operating at sea close to shore, but are unsuitable for rough seas or ocean going operation.

4x Goat Class minehunters
6x Nomad Class coastal utility vessels
1x Training ship- converted yacht.

Shore based-
Undisclosed numbers of C-201 anti-ship-missile mobile launchers, 122mm guns, 122mm and other rockets.

ASW helicopters-
10x Mi-14A

And lo the world did tremble..

Oh, and you may wish to change 'Mobile Aeroflyer Docks' to 'Aircraft Carriers', too. ;)))

OOC: I could have been insulted to think that I didn't already guess that... lol, no worries... I was actually thinking of using it for my space fleet first (maybe my 2000th post too!) so I guess it will be something to look forward to doing when I have the time.

Thanks

The Pete (OOC)

With aircraft carriers we should be talking in 5s and 10s not 100s!

((Hey, no problem, man. By the way, sorry if I seemed kind of an ass in that other thread. There's no laws restricting the freedom of the press in Iansisle, which has led to a rather unruly press corps. They're fun to play with, though, which is why I usually intervene at press conference threads if I have time.))

Well just to show the Crookfur navy prior to fully completing its rationalization (ie we really need a joint project for a super carrier as we like to biuld such things ourselves)

Anyway basic numbers (active duty combatants only, each active task force takes a alrge number of support vessels with them):

Aircraft carriers:
2x Ulyanovsk nuclear carrier
4x Nimitz Nuclear Carriers
2x Defiant Class CTOL carriers
4x FC (can't remeber what exact type) carriers
2x invincible class SVTOL carriers
(total: 14)
transports/assault ships:
2x Tarawa assault ships
4x Ivan Rogov assault ship
4x Nyarl landing platform docks
2x Ocean Class assault ships
4x Albion class transports
(total:16)
Capitol ships:
3x Lady Victoria class battleships
2x Iowa(CF) class battleships
(total: 5)
Cruisers:
8x Death train class missile ships
8x Valkyrie class cruisers
3x Ticonderoga class cruisers
(total: 19)
Destroyers:
21 x Gertrude class destroyers
(total: 21)
Frigates:
26x Bernadine class frigates
(total: 26)
Light combatants:
50x Eva class off shore patrol vessels
50x Maria class corvettes/off shore patrol/missile boats
30x Maria 2 class AA corvettes
20x Cataphract torpedo boats
40x Lancer torpedo boats
(total: 190)
Submanrines:
6x Trafalgar attack submarines
8x Astute class attack submarines
6x Silnet knife submarines (combat support with multirole VL tubes for SLBMs/criuse missiles/vertical guns systems)
6x Ohio BM submarines
18x Gato CF non nuclear submarines
(total: 44)

Overall total: 312vessels
Supportvessels: in the region of 200

Airpower (under going rationalisation so no exact numbers):
Fixed wing:
CFN-5C Dragonpearl
CFN-5E Double Dragon
CFF-9G Harrier
CNF-10A Kestrel (FC F-32)
CNA-11B Darkwing (UE EA-220B)
CNUC-2C Sky lance (C-2B grey hound upgraded and converted to a gunship)
CNU-20 carrier transport (EA-60)
CNUK-20 tanker
CNUC-20C ASW (EA-60B)
CNE-20G AWACS (EA-60C)
CNE-10E EW (EA-60D)

Rotary wing
Roc heavy rotodynes
Gannet medium naval rotodynes
Sea kings
Lynx
Navilised Vandal light helicopters

OOC:I was just wondering how my navy compares with yours, just so I can see where I am at in the "water"

No pun intended

IC:Today we put forth the following forces as to see whether or not our naval forces compare with yours.

100xAEGIS Class Flight IIA
750xCrow Class
600xHades-Class Attack Submarine
500xNimitz Class

Although we do not have much of a variety we are soon to expand, I would like comments and discussion. Thank you.


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Jorge Gautier
Arms Coordinate

A bit of constructive criticism here...you'd need 2,840,000 crew to crew the carriers alone, this is not counting shore crew. It would probably cost you at least $1,500Billion to build them, $80,000,000,000 per year to run them, and probably take about 625 years working on the assumption you have enough port facilities to make 8 at once and they each take 10 years.
Also you have nowhere near enough escorts for them. They would be sitting ducks in the water.
I am not trying to cause problems. I'm just trying to make a few suggestions you may or may not find useful. Thank you for your patience.

Anyway, this is what my fleet has. I am using a WWII style of ship classification for the surface vessels. A lot of the 'Cruisers' wouldn't be called Cruisers if I was using a modern classification system. The subs and surface craft are listed by order of hull length. Submarines and support craft are at the end.

1 x 'Lord Fisher' Super Heavy Battleship
4 x 'General vonPaulus' Super Heavy Carrier - each with 20 x Tornado, 10 x F22 and 25 x Mirage 2000C
3 x 'D'Artagnon' Super Carriers - each with 20 x Sea Harrier Mk 2
2 'Marshall Suvorov' Hybrid Carrier Battleships - each with 4 x Haze, 2 x EH01, 10 x HindD, 14 x HindF, 5 x F22
3 x 'Benito Mussolini' Battleship
14 x 'Goeben' Battle Cruiser
2 x 'Adolf Eichmann' Fleet Carrier - each with 12 x Sea Harrier Mk 2
1 x 'Erwin Rommel' Pocket Battleship
28 x 'Assaye' 1st Class Light Cruiser
56 x 'Altenfiord' Armoured Cruisers
56 x 'Admiral Benbow' 2nd Class Light Cruiser
28 x 'Seringapatam' Scout Cruiser
66 x 'Hugh O'Neill' Fleet Escort
20 x 'Rorke's Drift' Frigate
10 x 'General Sanders' Fleet Escort
14 x 'Skua' Destroyer Escort
20 x 'Prefect' Torpedo Boat Destroyer
30 x 'Ludwig Ritter von Benedek' Torpedo Boat Destroyer
50 x 'Vlademir Lenin' Motorised Torpedo Patrol Boat
80 x ''Poltava' Motorised Patrol Boat
20 x 'General Bennigsen' Motorised Patrol Boat

20 x 'Tench' Nuclear Powered Attack Submarine
40 x 'Baschnoisse' Nuclear Capable Submarine
50 x 'K Boat' Attack Submarine


28 x Tankers
14 x Ammunition ressuply vessels
32 x 'General Montgomery' Tank Landers
16 x 'Napoleon Bonaparte' Heavy Troop Transport
4 x Well Ships
20 x 'Flash' Mine Layer
10 x 'Panner' Mine Clearer

Actually I have a GDP of 70 trillion dollars

it cost 160 million per nimitz a year

times that by 500

80 billion a year. So I can support it.

What about the rest of your navy, the rest of your armed forces, the rest of the programs your government provides?

Wages, the rest of your military costs, ect will kill you.

You cannot realistically support 500 Nimitz class carriers. No way. The only thing worse then someone godmoding is someone godmoding and using a few choice stats to try to defend it.

Actually I have a GDP of 70 trillion dollars

it cost 160 million per nimitz a year

times that by 500

80 billion a year. So I can support it.

but you forgot to multiply by the years it takes to build a carriers (about 10 years for a Nimitz class). Plus it costs a hell of a lot more than 160 million to build a carrier. Try 1.6 trillion USD, that is the cost of a Nimitz Class Carrer, plus 30 million USD for a F-14 Tomcat, and about the same for any other plane. here is a more realistic cost total:

160 million per Nimitz per year

times 10 years

times 500

equals 800 trillion per year. Now do you really have enough to support that rate of construction? I don't think so. More like you could build 3 ships at a time, thats 500 times 10 years, divided by three equals 1,666.67 years to complete the whole fleet of carriers. Then you get to the planes. 100 planes per ship (a conservative number) times 30 million a plane and then times 500 and you end up with 1.5 trillion for the planes. Sorry, but I don't think you have the checkbook to match your mouth. Too bad for you. Not that you would be a very formidable component with those carriers anyways. A few nuclear power submarines could take out your entire fleet, unless you left your whole fleet together.

The People's Commonwealth of Beth Gellert - People's Navy

Summary: (Including Coast Guard and detailing losses thus far in the hard-fought liberation of Madagascar, BG's most costly naval conflict)

1x Trimaran Frigate (Flagship People's Navy; CS Ood)
1x Trimaran Destroyer (Flagship Parmis Fleet; CS Agincourt)

2x Corvettes (Coast Guard)
12x Hydrofoil Gunboats (Coast Guard)

104x Bodkin Hunter Frigate
62x Trebuchet Bombardment Frigates
202x Gauntlet Defender Frigates (3 lost, 2 damaged)

Note- Beth Gellen frigates are perhaps larger and more formidable than would be frigates in another navy. The Commonwealth currently lacks capital ships besides carriers.

4x Trimaran Light Fleet Carriers Jonathan Netnyahu Class
12x Helicopter Carrier/Assault Ship Nibiru Class (1 damaged)
Note- A new carrier programme is under-way and likely to produce a native fleet carrier within the next two years.

7x Nuclear ICBM Submarines Liopleurodon ferox Class
72x Nuclear Killer Submarines Anunkai Class (1 lost, 3 damaged)
248x D/E Hunter/Coastal Patrol Submarines Hound Class

26x Rapier Class Minesweepers

14x Benefactor Ammunition Ships
9x Verix Class Combat Stores Ships
27x Brompton Class Support Tankers (1 lost)
6x Palaemon Class Heavy Support Ships
4x Ysbyty Class Hospital Ships.
2x Salvage Ships
4x Restoration Class Submarine Tenders
30x Hyena Class Expeditionary Transports

Note- Many support vessels spend most of their time at anchor and with skeletron crews serving rotational maintenance duties. Similar is true of some frigate and submarine assets. At least four Liopleurodon ferox are constantly at sea.

Actually I have a GDP of 70 trillion dollars

it cost 160 million per nimitz a year

times that by 500

80 billion a year. So I can support it.

but you forgot to multiply by the years it takes to build a carriers (about 10 years for a Nimitz class). Plus it costs a hell of a lot more than 160 million to build a carrier. Try 1.6 trillion USD, that is the cost of a Nimitz Class Carrer, plus 30 million USD for a F-14 Tomcat, and about the same for any other plane. here is a more realistic cost total:

160 million per Nimitz per year

times 10 years

times 500

equals 800 trillion per year. Now do you really have enough to support that rate of construction? I don't think so. More like you could build 3 ships at a time, thats 500 times 10 years, divided by three equals 1,666.67 years to complete the whole fleet of carriers. Then you get to the planes. 100 planes per ship (a conservative number) times 30 million a plane and then times 500 and you end up with 1.5 trillion for the planes. Sorry, but I don't think you have the checkbook to match your mouth. Too bad for you. Not that you would be a very formidable component with those carriers anyways. A few nuclear power submarines could take out your entire fleet, unless you left your whole fleet together.
Not quite accurate, but getting there.

So Neo Wu, I give you a slightly better estimate. A Nimitz carrier, in 1996, had an average annual cost of $444 million, excluding planes and personnel. This accounted for peacetime maintenance, operating, repair, and port costs, as well as initial construction, over the entire 50 year service life. In current dollars, that's around $500-600 million per ship.

Assuming a current air wing, the costs of the aircraft are about $5 billion (that's aircraft, spare parts, and maintenance equipment). Add another few hundred million per year for munitions, and my best guess for the operating cost of a carrier air wing is in the range of $1-2 billion per year (this could be significantly more or significantly less depending on flight operations). This is naturally more with more advanced aircraft, or a larger air wing (this is 72 aircraft, compared to the 90 it can carry).

This puts us, so far, at an average of $2.2-4.2 billion per year. So, let's go on.

Now for crew: A Nimitz has a crew of 5680 personnel, all of whom need to be trained, paid, and supplied. In addition to that, It will need maybe 10,000+ additional personnel for the port crew, facilities, and other support. Let's assume an average annual cost of $50,000 per year for each person. That's another $800 million.

That puts us at an impressive $3 - $5 billion per year per carrier, and remember that I'm probably being rather generous here. That's $1.5-$2.5 trillion per year just for the carriers.

Now, there's another $250 billion a year or thereabouts (assuming Virginia equivalent) for the submarines, and $20 billion a year for the Arleigh Burke (AEGIS) destroyers. I again have no knowledge of the Crow class here (you should have stated exactly what it is you know), but assuming an FFG, put it at $100 billion per year. For a destroyer, $150+. For a cruiser, $200 or so.
With the other required stuff, you have a navy that needs maybe $2.5-$4 trillion per year, assuming you never upgrade it. Even by my very high budget calculator, you are probably spending at least 45% of your entire defense budget just on that navy. By your calculations, it's over 55% of the budget going to the navy. I guess you're missing either an army or an air force.

And guess what, the navy's crap. You don't even have enough ships to put 2 escorts for each carrier, which makes your carriers ungodly vulnerable to everything from submarines and cruise missiles to low-flying aircraft. It would take only a fraction of my fleet to sink your entire navy, and with minimal losses.

Navy size = 0

Well we are land locked :P just don't know whos land is around us :cry:

OOC: Well, heres some of the more important vessals of my Navy, please not that I'm trying to be close to realist in the number, though it's hard to say...

Oh, and this entire post is OOC because it's not solid and is subject to change depending on various checks I'm doing...

Also not that I will be changing the names of the classes, I've left them for simplicity for the time being.

I will be added about 7 battleships too, while I don't use them much it's nice to have a couple left for their looks... all stats are taken from this site (http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/)


Carriers (58 Ships)

Nimitz class multirole aircraft carriers (45 Ships)
Displacement: 101,000-104,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 1092 x 250 x 37-39 feet/332.8 x 76.2 x 11.3-11.9 meters
Propulsion: 2 A4W reactors, steam turbines, 4 shafts, 280,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: approx 3000 (including flag) + approx 2900 air wing
Aviation: full flight deck with angled deck, 684 x 108 x 26.5 foot/208.4 x 32.9 x 8 meter hangar, 4 deck-edge elevators, 4 C13 catapults; up to 80+ aircraft

Enterprise class multirole aircraft carriers (13 Ships)
Displacement: 93,300 tons full load
Dimensions: 1101 x 248 x 39 feet/335.6 x 75.6 x 11.8 meters
Propulsion: 8 A2W reactors, steam turbines, 4 shafts, 280,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: approx 3300 + approx 2400 air wing + 70 flag
Aviation: full flight deck with angled deck, 860 x 107 x 25 foot/262 x 32.6 x 7.6 meter hangar, 4 deck-edge elevators, 4 C13 catapults; up to 80+ aircraft



Cruisers (130 Ships)

Ticonderoga class cruisers (130 Ships)
Displacement: 9,800-10,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 567 x 55 x 32 feet/172.8 x 16.7 x 9.7 meters
Propulsion: 4 LM2500 gas turbines, 2 shafts, 80,000 shp, 30 knots
Crew: 387
Aviation: midships helicopter deck with RAST, 39 x 29 x 15 foot/11.8 x 8.8 x 4.6 meter hangar; 2 SH-60B helicopters



Destroyers (290 Ships)

Arleigh Burke IIa class large multirole destroyers (130 Ships)
Displacement: 9,200 tons full load
Dimensions: 510 x 67 x 30.5 feet/155 x 20.5 x 9.3 meters
Propulsion: 4 LM2500 gas turbines, 2 shafts, 100,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: 362 + 18 aviation detachment
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with RAST and two hangars; 2 SH-60B


Arleigh Burke II class large multirole destroyers (60 Ships)
Displacement: 8,850-9,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 505 x 67 x 30.5 feet/153.6 x 20.5 x 9.3 meters
Propulsion: 4 LM2500 gas turbines, 2 shafts, 100,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: 337
Aviation: aft helicopter deck; 1 SH-60B can be embarked

Spruance class ASW/strike destroyers (100 Ships)
Displacement: 9,000-9,400 tons full load.
Dimensions: 563 x 55 x 29 feet/171.6 x 16.7 x 8.8 meters
Propulsion: 4 LM2500 gas turbines, 2 shafts, 80,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: approx. 350 + 40 helo detachment
Aviation: midships helicopter deck with RAST and 49-54 x 21-23.5 x 16+ foot/14.9-16.5 x 6.4-7.2 x 4.8+ meter hangar; 1 or 2 SH-60B

Frigates (405 Ships)

Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates (405 Ships)
Displacement: 4,000-4,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 455 x 45 x 22 feet/138.6 x 13.7 x 6.7 meters
Propulsion: 2 LM2500 gas turbines, 1 shaft, 40,000 shp, 29 knots
Crew: 214
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with RAST, 2 hangars (41-46 x 13-16 x 13-15 foot/12.5-14 x 3.9-4.8 x 3.9-4.6 meters); 2 SH-60B



Submarines (209 Ships)

Ohio class guided missile submarines (79 Ships)
Displacement: 18,750 tons submerged
Dimensions: 560 x 42 x 36.25 feet/170.7 x 12.8 x 11 meters
Propulsion: 1 S8G reactor, steam turbines, 1 shaft, 35,000 hp, 25 knots
Crew: 140 + 66 SEALs
Armament: 154 vertical launch Tomahawk missiles, 4 21 inch torpedo tubes (Mk 48 torpedoes)
Note: While America hardly has any of these submarines Iuthia has a ton due to the fact we had to re-fit the Ballistic Submarines to accept a non-nuclear arnsenal... Iuthia doesn't use Nuclear Weapons...

Seawolf class attack submarines (40 Ships)
Displacement: 9,300 tons submerged
Dimensions: 353 x 40 x 35 feet/107.6 x 12 x 10.6 meters
Propulsion: 1 S6W reactor, steam turbines, 1 shaft, 45,500 shp, 35+ knots
Crew: 133
Armament: 8 26.5 inch torpedo tubes (50 Mk 48 & Tomahawk or 100 mines)

Los Angeles class attack submarines (90 Ships)
Displacement: 6,927-7,147 tons submerged
Dimensions: 360 x 33 x 32 feet/109.7 x 10 x 9.7 meters
Propulsion: 1 S6G reactor, steam turbines, 1 shaft, 35,000 shp, 30+ knots
Crew: 141
Armament: 4 21 inch torpedo tubes (22 Mk48 & Tomahawk; also mines in SSN 751-773); SSN 719-725,750-773: 12 vertical launch Tomahawk



Amphibious Assault Ships (45 Ships)

Wasp class amphibious assault ships (30 Ships)
Displacement: 40,530 tons full load
Dimensions: 844 x 140 x 26.5 feet/257.25 x 42.7 x 8 meters
Propulsion: 2 boilers, steam turbines, 2 shafts, 70,000 shp, 22 knots
Crew: 1,146
Troops: 1,893 + 200 surge capacity
Aviation: full flight deck, half-length hangar, 2 deck-edge elevators; ~35-40 helicopters and VSTOL


Tarawa class amphibuous assault ships (15 Ships)
Displacement: 39,500-40,500 tons full load
Dimensions: 833 x 132 x 26 feet/253.9 x 40.2 x 8 meters
Propulsion: 2 boilers, steam turbines, 2 shafts, 70,000 shp, 22 knots
Crew: approx. 1,060
Troops: 1,903
Aviation: full flight deck, half-length hangar, 1 deck-edge and 1 centerline elevator; ~35 helicopters and VSTOL



Again, I would like to note this is a draft... I have more to concider and I probably have about 2000 odd ships supporting this... were it not for Iuthia's love for the military and our 2 Billion population I would haven't got near this figure... I'm still not sure about it now but it hurts my head being too realistic.

You'll probably need something smaller than frigate size for all the little jobs, like hunting for smugglers etc etc. There is also no reason you'd need 58 Carriers, if you look at Clan Smoke Jaguar's note's above, you'll get an idea as to how much something like that costs. I'll also hazzard to point out that you don't really need 58 Carriers unless you're planning to start World War VIII, or whatever we're up to. Even at the peak of my naval insanity I only claimed to have 17 Carriers and Hybrid Carrier-Battleships, now that has been dropped to 11, although they are carrying more planes.

CSJ. I think you'll find that the upkeep cost for a Nimitz is officially listed as 160 Million per year, that's upkeep on the ship itself, I don't think that includes wages. I got the same crew figures, but you've missed out one essential component...shore crew. Now I honestly can't be bothered to find that, if you can it could lend further credance to the argument.

You'll probably need something smaller than frigate size for all the little jobs, like hunting for smugglers etc etc. There is also no reason you'd need 58 Carriers, if you look at Clan Smoke Jaguar's note's above, you'll get an idea as to how much something like that costs. I'll also hazzard to point out that you don't really need 58 Carriers unless you're planning to start World War VIII, or whatever we're up to. Even at the peak of my naval insanity I only claimed to have 17 Carriers and Hybrid Carrier-Battleships, now that has been dropped to 11, although they are carrying more planes.

OOC: Fair enough, may reduce them yet... most of this is me just being really simple and multiplying the U.S's current navy a bit to give me realistic ratio's...

As for carriers... yeah, I know what you mean, it's alot of money for something I'm not going to use alot. Even some other nations that had a sneak peak at my figures before I posted noted that I wouldn't be able to use them all at once... hell, the most I've ever used is 4 at once...

However, I like the neatness of it all for the time being, so I'll alter it later once people have commented on it more.

As for small ships... well, I haven't added them for the simple reason I haven't added logistical vessals. These are the bigger vessal assosiated with war situations, the patrol boats are assumed, though I will add them at a later date.

That's the reason I cut down. I found I was using 2 carriers and associated escorts...then there were huge fleets of Battle Cruisers and Frigates and god knows what else just going to waste along with a lot of Hybrid Carrier-Battleships.

I decided ultimately to downgrade the navy and upgrade the army and airforce, which had been suffering, budget wise, as a result. The Airforce was floating around in MiG21s, among other things while about half the tanks were T-62s.

Actually I have a GDP of 70 trillion dollars

it cost 160 million per nimitz a year

times that by 500

80 billion a year. So I can support it.

What about the rest of your navy, the rest of your armed forces, the rest of the programs your government provides?

Wages, the rest of your military costs, ect will kill you.

You cannot realistically support 500 Nimitz class carriers. No way. The only thing worse then someone godmoding is someone godmoding and using a few choice stats to try to defend it.

OOC:Dude, 80 billion is nothing compared to 70 trillion
think about it 80 billion is only 1/875th of 70 trillion.

We have a small navy, but at least it is realistic to what a nation could achieve ;

Combat

1 Iowa Class Battleship
1 Ticonderoga Class missile cruiser
1 AEGIS Class Missile Destroyer
10 Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates
1 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
5 Bora-Class Missile Corvette
1 Nimitz Class aircraft carrier (85 MiG-29K)

Subs

2 Sturgeon Class subs
1 Los Angeles Class sub
1 Seawolf Class sub

Shore deployment

2 Whidbey Island Class docking ship
5 San Antonio Class assault ship

Supports

10 SL-7 cargo ships
5 Sacramento Class supply ship
10 Supply Class ship


[OOC - I dont have enough escorts do I? If not I'll seek some more]

I'll also hazzard to point out that you don't really need 58 CarriersI do! (Partly because my carriers are light carriers instead of the ever-popular Nimitz and double as transports, and my nation is a huge archipelago.) But if I do downsize my nation, I'll only be able to have twenty-some...
[OOC - I dont have enough escorts do I? If not I'll seek some more]I think you might want fewer frigates and more destroyers and cruisers.

Tell me what you guys think:

1st Defense Fleet
1st Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

2nd Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

3rd Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

4th Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

5th Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships



2nd Defense Fleet
1st Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

2nd Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

3rd Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

4th Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships

5th Battlegroup
2 Lunar Class Carriers
4 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
5 Upholder Class SSNs
5 Norasia Class Fleet Supply Ships



1st Assault Fleet
1st Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

2nd Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

3rd Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

4th Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

5th Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships



2nd Assault Fleet
1st Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

2nd Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

3rd Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships

4th Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships


5th Battlegroup
1 Lunar Class Carrier
2 MacKensen Class Battleships
10 Thatcher Class Destroyers
10 Meteora Class Cruisers
10 Orion Class Frigates
3 Assault Ships
5 Attack Subs
5 Supply Ships



Strategic Submarine Fleet
20 SSBNs
60 Attack Subs

*************************************************************

I know it's large, but the Imperial Navy is my senior service. It's also heavier on the small ship side, not on the capships like New Wu. It also took me something like sixty years to get it together, so the purchasing costs were spread out and I have a big enough defense budget that upkeep isn't a problem.

I count 60 Battleships in that. That is similar to excess carriers.

You'll probably need something smaller than frigate size for all the little jobs, like hunting for smugglers etc etc. There is also no reason you'd need 58 Carriers, if you look at Clan Smoke Jaguar's note's above, you'll get an idea as to how much something like that costs. I'll also hazzard to point out that you don't really need 58 Carriers unless you're planning to start World War VIII, or whatever we're up to. Even at the peak of my naval insanity I only claimed to have 17 Carriers and Hybrid Carrier-Battleships, now that has been dropped to 11, although they are carrying more planes.

CSJ. I think you'll find that the upkeep cost for a Nimitz is officially listed as 160 Million per year, that's upkeep on the ship itself, I don't think that includes wages. I got the same crew figures, but you've missed out one essential component...shore crew. Now I honestly can't be bothered to find that, if you can it could lend further credance to the argument.
I think this is what you're looking for:

Now for crew: A Nimitz has a crew of 5680 personnel, all of whom need to be trained, paid, and supplied. In addition to that, It will need maybe 10,000+ additional personnel for the port crew, facilities, and other support. Let's assume an average annual cost of $50,000 per year for each person. That's another $800 million.

A Nimitz cost $160 million per year in direct operating costs as of 1996, however, that's only a fraction of the total cost. A complete breakdown for the operating costs of the ship itself can be found here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvn-68-specs.htm). And remember, that figure's almost a decade old now, so costs have gone up quite a bit.

My navy (post SC OMZ war):*
Carriers: 66
Battleships: 64 (including battlecruisers and arsenal ships)
Major Surface Combatants: 874
Minor Surface Combatants: 568
Submarines: 718
MOB: 1 (6 modules)
CVAN: 2
CVN: 6
CVM: 24
CVL: 28
BB: 16
BBL: 8
CB: 16
AS: 24
CA: 32
CG: 140
DDG: 278
DD: 138
FFG: 130
FF: 156
Corvette: 312
Patrol Vessels: 256
SSN: 262
SSBN: 24
SSGN: 120
SS: 168
SSG: 144
ASDV: 60
LHD: 40
LHA: 20
LPH: 24
LPD: 50
LSD: 70
LST: 108
LSV/Large LCU: 304
Landing Craft: 1696 (+1932 AAV)
Special Warfare Ships: 204
Cargo Ships: 562 (364 ready reserve, including 8 hospital)
Replenishment Ships: 248
Mine Warfare Ships: 288
Other Auxiliaries: 108
Small Patrol/Utility Craft: 3294
Coast Gaurd Patrol: 616
Coast Guard Auxiliary: 364
Coast Guard Small Patrol/Utility Craft: 3304
Naval Aircraft: 30,272 all types (including: 1080 interceptor, 6984 fighter bomber, 1056 Attack, 264 VTOL, 792 Heavy Bomber, 936 EW, 1344 ASW patrol, 144 ELINT, 18 ACC, 432 AWACS, 144 Light AWACS, 720 tanker, 396 medium transport, 328 light transport, 96 medical transport, 288 SAR, 2136 trainer, 384 MV, 576 AH, 4362 ASW H, 7224 CH/UH, 96 special operations H, 472 TH
Active Manpower: 3,350,000
Reserve Manpower: 3,350,000
Special Forces: 24,000 (16,000 UDT, 8,000 SNS) - .303%, 1 in 329.167
Land-Based Air Arm: 1,800,000 (850,000 active, 850,000 reserve, 100,000 Militia)
Coastal Defense Force: 500,000 (250,000 active, 250,000 reserve)
Naval Militia: 2,100,000 (1,200,000 coast defense, 500,000 Coast Guard, 400,000 other)
Grand Total: 8,600,000


You'll notice that I'm actually surprisingly light on carriers, do mostly to the cost of operating them. In fact, several large nuclear powered vessels have been decommissioned to make room for cheaper and more flexible medium carriers, which form the bulk of my striking power. I also have a decent battleship force due to the regime's appreciation of those ships, and the navy's emphasis on amphibious operations.

*Ships listed include those in active, reserve, or coast guard (militia) service. There are additional vessels that are in a decommissioned state, and can be recommissioned in emergencies, but these are ommitted because they are not currently operational.

My navy (post SC OMZ war):*
Carriers: 66
Battleships: 64 (including battlecruisers and arsenal ships)
Major Surface Combatants: 874
Minor Surface Combatants: 568
Submarines: 718

Wow... I suppose this makes me feel a little more comfortable with my current Naval Figures.

You're running at nearly 1% recruitment for the Navy alone. That is insane. You do realise most countries in the real world run at rates considerably lower than that for their combined armed forces?
North Korea is the highest with 1.64% COMBINED.

Principality of True Yorkshire: Royal Yorkshire Navy

Dept. of Navy:
Admiral sir Hortense Du Macca, KYO. First Sea Lord.


1st (Home) Fleet

1 Aircraft Carrier. Pennine Class. HMYS Tyke
133 sqn Yorkshire Air Arm.
( -10- Harrier IIs. -2- E320 AWACs -2- E321 Tankers)
21 sqn YAA. (3 E101h SeaMerlins 2 Lynx 3 SeaMaster SAR)

1 Cruiser. Cathedral Class. HYMS York Minster

5 Whitby Class Destroyers.
HYMS Whitby, Abbey, Terror, Pananche, Pirate
(each with Helo detachment from 8 sqn YAA)

7 League Class ASW Frigates.
HYMS, Bull, Warrior, Knight, Cougar, Rhino, Saint, Tiger
(each with SuperLynx detachment from 8 sqn YAA)

2 Sports Class Multi Purpose Platform Frigates.
HYMS Headingley, HYMS Odsal
(inc. helo detachment from 1 sqn (sf) YAA.)

4 Dream Class Fast Attack Submarines.
HYMS Secret, Swift, Silent, Serpent
(operating an experimental MagnetoHydroDynamic propulsion system)

3 Peak Class Mine CounterMeasure Vessels (mcmv)
HYMS Pen-y-ghent, whernside, Inglebourogh

2 Fleet Replenishment Vessels. (RAS) from Royal Yorkshire Auxilliary Fleet
HYMS Wyke Rover HYMS Moor Rover

Other Fleet variations are mission-specific, with only the Home Fleet having a declared disposition. Vessels may be added or removed depending on role. A list of other warships in True Yorkshire includes:
(excluding vessels in home fleet)

2 Pennine Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Cathedral Class Cruisers
10 Whitby Class Destroyers
15 League Class ASW Frigates (mainstay of fleet)
4 Sports Class MPP Frigates
7 Dream Class SSN (Not fitted with MHDD shystem)
20 Peak Class MCMV (can be employed on Anti-piracy/drugs roles)
25 River Class Patrol vessels (mainstay of Inshore/Anti-piracy fleet)
3 Inevitable Class Assault Ships (not always at sea)
6 Hydrographic vessels (no prevailant class)

Royal Yorkshire Fleet Auxilliary, is not directly run by the RYN, therefore no information is given.

A small, yet highly trained proffessional navy with a tradition of excellence. (OOC: based loosely on the RN). Current True Yorkshire's Fleet Air Arm squadron designations have strong ties with past squadrons and their honours. They are not concurrent designations (ie. we do not have 203 squadrons...) and are a mark of respect to past glories. Over the next 2 to 10 years, we are looking to expand our destroyer and frigate fleet with the introduction of the Province and Church Class vessels, together with the Warlus advanced SSN.

You're running at nearly 1% recruitment for the Navy alone. That is insane. You do realise most countries in the real world run at rates considerably lower than that for their combined armed forces?
North Korea is the highest with 1.64% COMBINED.

Could you at least refer to who you are speaking to when you post something like that...


In Iuthia's case you have to remember that 1% of Iuthia's population is 20'000'000 people. Revising my military, (which used to be 1.5% when I knew less) it;s probably much less now.


Meanwhile, I've got a shreadsheet full of personnel figures... mostly it's about automatically working out how much military I get out of percentages and the such. My navy works out at 75% of the personnel as support... or something like that, I'm not looking for perfect accuracy, just something close so I've got an idea.

Peoples Socialist Defense Navy
Classified NRSS for Nodea Rudav Socialist Sea

-Sea Surface Units-
x4 Modified Porter Class Experimental Destroyer
-NRSS New Porter
-NRSS Destroyer Protector
-NRSS Destroyer Defender
-NRSS Destroyer Leader

x2 Sverdlov class Battlecruiser
-NRSS Battle Warrior
-NRSS Battle Gladiator

x7 Bismarck Class Experimental Pocket Battleship
-NRSS New Bismarck-(Normal Version)
-NRSS New Tirpitz-(Improved Verson)
-NRSS Union-(Normal Version)
-NRSS Carolina-(Improved Version)
-NRSS Tulvania-(Improved Version)
-NRSS Ruthan-(Improved Version)
-NRSS Varga Delta-(Improved Version)

x3 Dunkerque Class Heavy Battleship
-NRSS New Dunkerque
-NRSS Old Rudav
-NRSS Gladiator

x5 Modified Iowa Class Battleships
-NRSS Independence
-NRSS Titan Defender
-NRSS Rudavia
-NRSS Peoples Might
-NRSS Peoples Voice

x1 Orel Ul'yanovsk class Aircraft Carrier
-NRSS Trinity

x1 LHD-4 Alligator Experimental Attack Carrier
-NRSS Alligator

-Sea Submerged Units-
x5 Akula I-Improved Nuclear Attack Submarine
-NRSS Reliance
-NRSS Defiance
-NRSS Freedom
-NRSS Triton Guardius
-NRSS Triton Rebellious

x3 Akula II Nuclear Attack Submarine
-NRSS Reliant
-NRSS Relentless
-NRSS Renegade

x4 Oscar II Cruise Missle Submarine
-NRSS Socialist Protector
-NRSS Socialist Democracy
-NRSS Socialist Defender
-NRSS Socialist Peacekeeper

x7 Oscar Cruise Missle Submarine
-NRSS Comrade Malatose
-NRSS Comrade Big Oscar
-NRSS Comrade Russia
-NRSS Comrade Twist
-NRSS Comrade Little Oscar
-NRSS Comrade Socialist

x4 Kilo Class Submarine
-NRSS Comrade Kilo
-NRSS Socialism
-NRSS Big Brethren
-NRSS Fat Kat the First

x2 941 Typhoon Nuclear Submarine
-NRSS Behemoth
-NRSS Massive

x8 667BDRM Dolphin DELTA IV
-NRSS Delta One
-NRSS Delta Two
-NRSS Delta Three
-NRSS Delta Four
-NRSS Delta Five
-NRSS Delta Six
-NRSS Delta Seven
-NRSS Delta Eight

x3 X2-02 Series Foxtrot-II Experimental Submarine
-NRSS Sea Fox
-NRSS Sea Vixen
-NRSS Foxtrot Three

x4 XS-Type XXIV U-Cruiser Submarines
-NRSS Super Cruiser
-NRSS Mission Possible
-NRSS Silent Watchman
-NRSS Electro Warrior

You're running at nearly 1% recruitment for the Navy alone. That is insane. You do realise most countries in the real world run at rates considerably lower than that for their combined armed forces?
North Korea is the highest with 1.64% COMBINED.
I'm assuming you're talking about me, in which case it's a simple misreading of what I wrote. You were counting several figures multiple times by adding up all the numbers listed without looking properly. I've edited it to make sure you don't make that mistake again.

And btw, if you look into it, you might notice that your figure for North Korea is only for the active forces, as are all official statistics. Reserves and militia are not factored in there.

Sorry, at 160 million a year per Nimits class Carrier it would take 10,000 years to complere one carrier (1.6 trillion divided by 160,000,000). Sorry about that. Just to think, the US could to more to save the world by using that 1.6 trillion to buy the Rainforest and stop deforestation.

Where's this 1.6 trillion for an aged carrier come from? That's the GDP of a major western European nation, and several times the entire yearly defence spend of the US. With all the US's carriers together they'd be worth more than the US GDP.

Sorry, at 160 million a year per Nimits class Carrier it would take 10,000 years to complere one carrier (1.6 trillion divided by 160,000,000). Sorry about that. Just to think, the US could to more to save the world by using that 1.6 trillion to buy the Rainforest and stop deforestation.They cost less than $5 billion ($FY97). :?

I count 60 Battleships in that. That is similar to excess carriers.

Excess doesn't mean unaffordable, I didn't even come close to having to dip into my monetary reserves for defense (which is about 50x my yearly defense budget.)

man, im not even buying any of this stuff, I'm just gonna forget, you guys are bitchin over nothing any way.


This has been an OOC post

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OOC note to begin: I don't have the total figures, this is just a statement of the ideal deployment forces and it may well be modified and edited extensively...I just wrote this up during a class today because I was bored to shit by my teacher's butchering of literature and I realized that I've lost my original groupings.

There are two major and many minor basic naval groupings in the IDF's Naval Corps.

The two major types of forces are:
1) The Naval Grand Fleet (NGF)
2) The Amphibious Assault Ready Group (AARG. AKA "Devastator Squadron")

1) The Naval Grand Fleet organization and deployment
There are twelve active NGFs in the IDF's Naval Corps, which are distributed across the world (OOC: using real life reference points, as non-RL based way stations would be impossible to accurately or reasonably depict).

These are the basic assignments at current:

1st – Main Western Asia, Med. and Red Seas, Atlantic and Indian Oceans
2nd– Main Western Asia, Med. and Red Seas, Atlantic and Indian Oceans
3rd– Main Western Asia, Med. and Red Seas, Atlantic and Indian Oceans
4th– Turkey Province, Med. and Black Seas, Atlantic Ocean
5th– Turkey Province, Med. and Black Seas, Atlantic Ocean
6th– Australian Base (Mega Tau), South Pacific, Antarctic, and Indian Ocean
7th– Ellesmere Island Territory, North Atlantic, Arctic, and Baltic Sea
8th– Sniper Country Base (South Africa), South Atlantic, Africa, and Indian Ocean
9th– From Main WA, assigned to Carribean Sea/South America…when avail. (OOC: Currently in Cienfuegos, Cuba although the RP to gain control has been put on hold so the unit isn't being used
10th– WA Pacific Island Provinces, Pacific and Indian Oceans, Sea of Japan
11th– WA Pacific Island Provinces, Pacific and Indian Oceans, Sea of Japan
12th– WA Pacific Island Provinces, Pacific and Indian Oceans, Sea of Japan

Format:
(# of fleet)- (Primary Base, major station, or center of operations), (areas of patrol and power projection)

Notes: The Ellesmere island territory is a minor forward base in the far north Atlantic, without many major capabilities. The fleet actually is based in and deploys from Malta Province and is replenished in Europe, at Ellesmere island, in NYC, and in other friendly ports on the East Coast of the (former) USA and nearby territories. Plans are underway to abandon the base as a major way station as new berthing and forward base opportunities become available.

Each NGF consists of between 3 and 5 Naval Strike Groups (NSGs). Each NSG is about the size of a modern USN carrier battle group (CVBG), but there are two specialized versions of the NSG organization to address special missions and targets. The first type is oriented towards Naval Warfare (NW. ship-to-ship, bluewater engagements) while the second is optimized for Land Assault Warfare (LAW. a mix of amphibious assault, artillery from the sea, force support, and other sea-to-land oriented missions) although both subgroups are designed to be capable of engaging enemy vessels with devastating power and speed. The mix of NA to LAW oriented NSGs (known as Naval Strike Teams (NSTs) and Naval Land Strike Teams (NLSTs), respectively) varies by the local politics, the local environment, the rotation schedule for a NGF's strike groups, and the capacity of host bases. In a NGF of five NSGs, however, there are often 2 NSTs for 3 NLSTs, although the inverse has been seen at times. The compositions of NSTs and NLSTs is covered later, where smaller groups are described in detail.

The actual size of a Grand Fleet varies due to the fact that not all of its strike groups can be deployed at once. In some of the more established bases and at bases connected to the major provinces, the Grand Fleet may actually be based at its deployment point, which saves time and cost as the fleets are "never off duty." If ships are damaged so much that local yards cannot repair the damage or if they are on some sort of special mission or if there is some need for a major overhaul then the affected ships maybe sailed back to home ports in Western Asia, but this is rare. The fact that these forces tend to actually be provided with home bases abroad gives the IDF’s Naval Corps an unparalleled ability to respond to events worldwide within a remarkably short amount of time.


2) The Amphibious Assault Ready Group organization and deployment
There are nine active AARGs in the IDF's Naval Corps, which are distributed across the world (OOC: using real life reference points, as non-RL based way stations would be impossible to accurately or reasonably depict).

These are the basic assignments at current:

1st– Pacific Island Provinces, Pacific and Indian Oceans, Sea of Japan
2nd– Pacific Island Provinces, Pacific and Indian Oceans, Sea of Japan
3rd– Ellesmere Island Territory, North Atlantic, Arctic, and Baltic Sea
4th– Australian Base, South Pacific, Antarctic, and Indian Ocean
5th– Sniper Country Base (South Africa), South Atlantic, Africa, and Indian Ocean
6th– From Main WA, assigned to Carribean Sea/South America…when avail.
7th– Turkey Province, Med. and Black Seas, Atlantic Ocean
8th– Main Western Asia, Med. and Red Seas, Atlantic and Indian Oceans
9th– Main Western Asia, Med. and Red Seas, Atlantic and Indian Oceans

The Amphibious Assault Ready Group (AARG. A.K.A. "Devastator Squadron") was structure was an evolutionary refinement of the old style, and dependent, Amphibious Ready Group. The three vessels of an old style Amphibious Ready Group only ever had limited defensive and offensive capabilities. The few capabilities that were at hand were not prepared for the high-risk combat zones of modern naval warfare and had almost no conventional fire support ability. To address the necessary fire power and strength of a modern amphibious assault unit, the Devastator Squadrons were formed. The first Devastator Squadrons were simply old-style ARGs with a couple of heavily armed and armored ships, oriented towards the bombardment of shore targets in support of Marine Corps units. The ‘Devastator Squadrons’ originally derived this peculiar name from the fact that the prototypical AARG consisted of an ARG with an attached group of Devastator-class Shore Bombardment Vessels (SBVs), an early light battleship-like vessel which was used for distributed fire support that utilized a number of innovative systems (such as Navalized MLRS batteries) which have since become fairly common in many battleship designs.

The modern AARG is split into two parts. The Amphibious Landing Group (ALG) and the Amphibious Assault Group (AAG). The ALG consists of all vessels within the AARG that are charged almost solely with the transportation and landing of Marine Corps forces and their supplies. This group includes at least one Amphibious Assault Carrier (of Western Asian design) as well as any SOCS vessels, LSDs, LPDs, or HSVs assigned to the force and any landing craft such as HLCACs, AAAVs, Landing Ship Barges, LSTs, or other such units. The size and organization of ALGs varies greatly depending upon any current situations in the Area of Operations (AO) and depending upon the environment of the AO. The transport capacity of an AARG’s ALG is usually only of one or two MEUs and a few larger expeditionary units such as MEIUs, MELMIUs, MEAUs, or METSUs. An entire Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) will usually be assigned to any AARG’s home base. (While only a portion of these soldiers will deploy during a standard mission, the bases have enough light escort and heavy personnel and materiel transport ships (and airlifters and aircraft) to transport, place, and support up to two MEFs on short notice within an area covered by the deployed ALG). In comparison, the AAG is made up of mostly weapons-bearing units (the specific layout of the basic group is, again, detailed below in the sub-unit statistics listings) and those units tasked with providing some special arms support to the AARG. SBVs, Battleships, Heavy Bombardment Cruisers (HBCs), specialized carriers, missile boats, and armed patrol boats make up the meat of the AAG although they are also supported with more conventional units such as some destroyers or frigates.

Due to the expensive nature of some of the ships in an AARG’s Assault Group, the number of AARGs was limited to nine. Commanders determined that this limited number (which allowed for ship repair, rotation, improvement, and replacement schedules) of groups would give the AARGs optimal worldwide capabilities at a reduced cost.

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The IDF’s Naval Corps (and the associated Marine Corps) enjoys the lion’s share of the IDF’s operational forces budgeting and it has a great deal of say in the operations of the IDF’s Central Product Research and Development Authority (CPRNDA). CPRNDA (Pronounced "Sep-ran-duh") controls the R&D budgets for the research groups within each branch of Western Asia’s armed forces and is the location of most major, transbranch research projects. The large budget of the Naval Corps and the tremendous emphasis placed on naval power mean that CPRNDA often places its best researchers and resources on navy projects, while airforce and army plans are often delayed and their independent weapons development programs are often merged into existing Marine Corps plans.


OOC: this is all I have done for now (typed up, actually, as it’s all pretty much done on paper)…more will be posted soon.

Any thoughts on my Navy?

Tiboritian Maritime Defense Force

Aircraft Carriers
7 Nimitz class each with:
20 F-14D Tomcats
36 F/A-18E Super Hornets
8 S-3B Vikings
4 E-2C Hawkeye AWACS
4 EA-18G Growlers
4 SH-60F Seahawks
2 HH-60H Seahawks

Battleships
5 Iowa Class Battleship 1980's Mods

Cruisers
50 Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Cruisers

Destroyers
10 SPRUANCE-class Destroyers
20 Arleigh Burke Class Missile Destroyers

Frigates
50 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates

Submarines
**classified**

Transport
200 LCU-2000 landing crafts
5 Kocak class Marine Corps prepositioning ships
4 Wasp Class Landing Ships
12 LCACs
15 Watson Class Roll On/Roll Off Cargo Ships

Support
10 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Ships
10 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ships
10 Kaiser Class Oiler Ships
10 Emory S. Land Class
10 Simon Lake Class

Misc
20 Avenger Class Minesweepers
10 Pohjanmaa minelayers
100 PHM1 Pegasus-class Hydrofoil boats
20 Hamilton Class Cutters
4 Blue Ridge Class Amphibious Command Ships
4 Mercy class hospital ships
10 EP-3E Aries IIs
10 EP-3C IRON CLADs
100 CH-53 Sea Stallions
100 CH-46 Sea Knights
600 P-3 Orion ASWs
10 C-2A Greyhounds

Any thoughts on my Navy?

Tiboritian Maritime Defense Force

Aircraft Carriers
7 Nimitz class each with:
20 F-14D Tomcats
36 F/A-18E Super Hornets
8 S-3B Vikings
4 E-2C Hawkeye AWACS
4 EA-18G Growlers
4 SH-60F Seahawks
2 HH-60H Seahawks
Looks good. The only thing is that you might want to add another two EA-18Gs to the carrier air wings. They have half the crew and don't carry as many jamming pods as the EA-6B, so it's generally accepted that a few more need to be used to keep the necessary capabilities. You should have enough space left for them, even though you've loaded those carriers almost to their capacity.

I'm kinda small....just one battle group....but I have 1 almost invincible Battleship/Commandship

(keep in mind this is one battlegroup)

1x Chimerea class Commandship

1x Admiral Vinogradov-class Medium Carrier

5x nightstalker Destroyers

5x province class missile destroyer

6x Church class frigate

9x walruss class submarine

Several support ships (minesweepers, ect)

Ships;

2 Frigates
5 Corvettes
1 Mandrel Class Destroyer
3 Whiskey Class Submarines
6 Torpedo Boats
1 Submarine Tender
1 Seaplane Tender (Decommisoned)
1 Mine Warfare Ship
1 Oiler
1 Amphibious Assault Ship
8 Tugboats

Aviation;
18 Mi-1 HARE Utility Helicopter
2 YaK-9SEA Fleet Defense Seaplane
10 MiG-11 Fighters

Looks good. The only thing is that you might want to add another two EA-18Gs to the carrier air wings. They have half the crew and don't carry as many jamming pods as the EA-6B, so it's generally accepted that a few more need to be used to keep the necessary capabilities. You should have enough space left for them, even though you've loaded those carriers almost to their capacity.
Thanks for pointing that out. I never would have realized that myself.

My navy has the following-
1000 frigates (assorted)
1000 destroyers (assorted)
850 capital ships (assorted)
400 subs (assorted)
347 carriers (assorted)
100 battle carriers (assorted)
4500 new battleships (assorted)
6000 Dual hovercraft (assorted)
87 stealth ships.
2000 refuelers
Most of these are spead widely through out my waters.

um...to question just one tiny part of those ridiculous numbers, how do you have more battleships than capital ships? Battleships (and battlecruisers, but not aircraft carriers) are capital ships.

Here's the basics of my navy:

56 aircraft carriers
71 battleships
127 cruisers
127 Minesweepers
213 destroyers
325 frigates
183 supply ships
127 landing craft
196 nuclear subs
6 diesel subs

All the ships are currently being fitted with their new aircraft.