NationStates Jolt Archive

http://bf.myworld2k.de/Vehicles/Japan/yamato.jpg

During the Great Bonstocknian Civil War, some Rebel designers thought of a new ship with the potential to bring entire Government fleets to surrender by pure intimidation. Based somewhat on the Japanese Yamato class, it is considered to potentially be one of the most devestating ships that could float the seas. It is called Project Draken.

When the war began to turn against them, the Rebels abandoned this project, and started construction on the Bonstocknian T-1, another super weapon bomb that could destroy whole nations in one hit. When the designers of the ship surrendered to the Government, they handed over the plans. The government balked at building them, thinking them as simply expensive shore bombardiers, and thinking that their work could be handled by arsenal ships like FRBS Grossbonstocknia.

The ship is heavily armed with 9 20" guns, the most powerful ever fielded by a battleship. Also, it has 12 anti ship launchers and 24 SAM launchers, which can be modified to carry most naval missiles, including Tomahawks and Yakhonts. It also has 50 triple CIWS positions, able to intercept dozens of missiles.

But the real reason this ship is so devastating is its survivability. The 50 triple CIWS positions can intercept salvos of thousands of missiles. If it were fielded at the battle of the Sakishima islands, where a lone Arsenal Ship destroyed an entire Rebel fleet with hypersonic missiles, it would have protected the fleet and been able to respond quickly. That would have turned the tide of the war in Rebel favor, possibly leading to Rebel victory. In addition, its armor is heavy. Twenty inch belt armor, 12 inch bulkhead armor, 10 inch deck armor, 26 inch turret face armor, and 20 inch conning tower armor give protection. It can take multiple missile, torpedo, and bomb hits, and still come out fighting. Since most naval battles are decided with one salvo, survival could be the deciding factor. Especially when faced with dozens of small enemies.

Its big guns have incredible ranges of up to 60km. The radar targeting system can track potential targets from thousands of miles away, and identify their exact RCS to figure out what it is. With thousands of class’s radar cross sections programmed, it can identify ships so friendly fire can be avoided. This could be invaluable in a combat situation. But radar isn’t the only firing systems it uses. It also has an excellent satellite targeting system, so if its radar is jammed, or it comes up against a particularly low RCS ship, it can still fight and come out on top.

Of course, all this armor gives the ship a huge weight: approx 72,500 tons. It requires huge propulsion: two nuclear reactors and four screws. But, still, it goes at about 38 knots. It is faster then many ships afloat. Not only is it bigger, but it goes faster too.

Of course, it is separated from all others by one factor: Sheer size. It is 870 feet long, 122 feet tall and 33 feet wide. It can intimidate a fleet to submission, and perhaps a careful showing will help in diplomatic events (ooc: not that many people in NS know the fine art of diplomacy…). Coupled with its big guns, it can serve as a mere “show of force,” Very good at “keeping the n00bs in line.” It is considered the ultimate weapon for the High Seas.

Not cleared for export, takes quite a while to build. Preorders accepted. 2.5 billion USD. Ten planed for Bonstocknian Navy.

I'm not majorly into sea nit-picking...

But I should point out with all the armaments you have (especially the "20 inch" guns...Your tonnage is WAY to low, your dimensions uneven. That thing would sink in a 2 foot swell.

In secret we have successfully built Two Yamato Class Super Battleships, as they were called. However, such a Battleship needs to be heavier, lean, and good armor of Experimental or Higher Grade. Powerplants need to be either Nuclear, Hydrogen, or other Experimental Power Plants.

Anywho, good job.

I'm not majorly into sea nit-picking...

But I should point out with all the armaments you have (especially the "20 inch" guns...Your tonnage is WAY to low, your dimensions uneven. That thing would sink in a 2 foot swell.

All I really did was tweak the specs of the old Japanese Yamato class. I heard that the 18 inch guns on the Yamato were going to be uprgaded to 20 inch, so I think that it can be possible. Yamato kept afloat, right? Well, until hundreds of American planes bombed it to hell...

EDIT: I think I did it a bit wrong. I tink I confused height with width. I'll fix it.

Also, this is based on a Yamato. I would have based it on the "Super Yamato" but couldn't for lack of info and specs.

It has a much better targetting system and missiles instead of small guns. Its really upgraded.

BUMP for comments/preorders/n00bdrooling/preemptive strikes to deny me of such naval power before its complete....

*Hand hovers near The Button*

I beilive this is fully fiesible. I would like 10 of these for my own navy. As well I bveilive the name is the T-1?

sorry pleace consider the previous message from me (its my puppet)

Well.. um.. we have some questions.

Can you.. um.. this is going to sound a bitt odd, but can you put Engines on it and make it space-capable?

Well.. um.. we have some questions.

Can you.. um.. this is going to sound a bitt odd, but can you put Engines on it and make it space-capable?

Ummm... I've never really thought about that. I guess, but it would be a pretty wierd lookin' spacecraft if you ask me... But, anything's possible.

I beilive this is fully fiesible. I would like 10 of these for my own navy. As well I bveilive the name is the T-1?

Ten... ten will take a while.

We did this with 21" guns, but only two triple turrets and limited self defense.

Still, can kill practically anything and launch most missiles from the guns.

Well.. um.. we have some questions.

Can you.. um.. this is going to sound a bitt odd, but can you put Engines on it and make it space-capable?

Oddly the Japanese did think up a space version of this ship ... behold (don't ask me if I sell them cause I don't)

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Harbor/3904/nicpics/bg7.jpg

Well.. um.. we have some questions.

Can you.. um.. this is going to sound a bitt odd, but can you put Engines on it and make it space-capable?

Ummm... I've never really thought about that. I guess, but it would be a pretty wierd lookin' spacecraft if you ask me... But, anything's possible.

Great, I'l have 5 of those that are Space Capable. :D

"you only have 4 guns. this ship would not last in a sea to sea battle. it is a good attempt i will admitt but the the lack of gun power will be you demise.
and also the top of the deck is wood........ that has to be some thick wood, if you think it will stop a 20 mm cannon shell!"shouts hobbeebian naval commander and cheif-naval design expert.

"you only have 4 guns. this ship would not last in a sea to sea battle. it is a good attempt i will admitt but the the lack of gun power will be you demise.
and also the top of the deck is wood........ that has to be some thick wood, if you think it will stop a 20 mm cannon shell!"shouts hobbeebian naval commander and cheif-naval design expert.

eh?

did you actually read the stats?


The 20" gunned Super yamato was inteneted to be significantly larger than even the massive yamato (into the 90,000ton region IIRC).

Personally i think 10" of deck armor might be a bit over baord but thats just me.

Hmm... maybe i should look for a Silkworm cruise missile and modify the engines and pump up the explosive charge.

(flexes hands and sits back and watches)

This promises to be interesting.

[OOC: Not to nitpick here, Bonstock, but I'm afraid you’ve made a few errors here. Firstly, the 20" upgrade... It was basically using the same general design, but the 9 18" guns were to be replaced by 6 (not 9) 20" guns. The Super-Yamato was a behemoth of a ship, and it only mounted 8 20”ers. The Yamato was manageably top-heavy, and the Super-Yamato was supposedly so as well, but with your armament and weight, you’ve got fatal instability... likely you should up your tonnage and reduce your guns to avoid having a 2-year-construction-3-billion-$ vessel flipping over and sinking as it slides out of the docks.

Now, your armour is also upped from the Yamato, which would further increase weight. Cross-comparison shows substantial increases…

LOCATION------YAMATO------DRAKEN
Belt------------------16.1”------------20”
Bulkhead------------11.8”------------12”
Deck-----------------9.1”------------10”
Turret Face----------25.6”------------26”
Tower---------------19.7”------------20”

Armament has differed… I assume that, given size and complexity differences, you’d need a larger ammunition magazine to support your armament, in addition to the increased size/amount of your guns.

WEAPON------YAMATO----SUPER YAMATO----DRAKEN
Main Guns-----9x 3 18” guns-------8x 20” guns--------9x 20” guns
Secondary Guns--12 x 6” guns-----12x 8” guns-------12x anti-ship launchers
>------------------12 x 5” guns-----12x 5” guns--------
AA/Defensives----24 x 25mm guns-24x 25mm guns----24 SAM launchers
>-----4 x 13.2mm Machine guns---8 x 13.2mm Machine guns--- 50 CIWS
Aircraft------------6 Seaplanes------6 Seaplanes-------

Seems to make sense, really, aside from ammo storage, as you dropped the aircraft and 5” guns without installing comparable modern systems, though the 50 CIWS would likely eat up the space you saved, and possibly more. Again, the 9x 20” guns are too much for your size and displacement… not to mention, in testing, 20”ers caused severe concussions to the ships crew…

No comments on your power generation or speed… I don’t know enough to offer any suggestions, and it seems plausible enough.

Tonnage is the main stickler here… cross-comparison again

TONNAGE
Yamato------ 71,659t
Super Yamato------ 90,000t
Draken------ 72,500t

With the massive armament increase due to the extra 20” guns and CIWS, absolutely massive quantity of extra armour, multiple nuclear generators, need for larger ammo storage, and other factors, you increased your tonnage by an absolutely insignificant amount… really, it should be much higher, as should your dimensions.

And, probably your price.

Sorry to bombard you with all this… but, if the _Taiwan/Maropian Coast thing cant be resolved by treaty, I may face one of these things on the open seas, and Id like to be able to see it as plausible, to maintain suspension-of-disbelief.]

Semi-Secret IC:
Rumours are circulating, that with Bonstock’s completion of the Draken Project, Spyr has begun to accelerate its own super-battleship program.

tag 4 intel purposes.

Battleships are obsolete.

ooc: Spyr, I'm no shipwright. I'm a teenager still struggling with my high school algebra class.

If you want to calculate weight or tell me how to do so, go ahead. I admit all I did was wank the Yamato, so I would not have to get all technical and wander into foreign territory.

Tal-Kerillion: Perhaps. But they look cool, and when they bristle with CIWS guns, hardly anything can get through. They're big floating imitation machines and it takes a lot to kill them.

ic:

Port Yuko Shipyards
Port Yuko, Bonstock

A large crowd was gathering in the streets of Port Yuko, near the shipyards. With big-screen TVs on the tops of buildings, and a sea of people below, the scene looked as if all of Bonstock was present. Those who did not watch first hand tuned in on television.

Anyone who was anybody was there, especially military people. In the harbor was much of the Bonstocknian navy, and thousands of army troops marched in the streets below an airborne promenade of fighter jets from the Flygsvapnet. The entire Riksdag, both houses, were present, along with the President of Bonstock, Field Marshal Gustavus Adolphus.

In his olive green dress uniform, Gustavus looked on, stroking his beard as he looked at the focal point of this huge gathering: the newest ship in the fleet, the battleship aptly named RBS Dreadnought.

Adolphus then walked up to the podium in front of the enourmous ship. Flanked by top subordinates, he began this speech:

My fellow Bonstocknians, our nation stands on a great turning point. On this day, the battleship Dreadnought takes to the seas on her maiden voyage. She will be joined soon by nine sister ships, and they together will dominate the oceans.

Out of the darkness of the Civil War and the Great Asian war, our nation has grown and prospered, better then ever before. This ship will truely show a reborn Bonstock, which will not be the meek nation we once were. This will propell us as a global superpower.

Still, we must never forget where we came from. At this time, I would like to honor the 3,406 Bonstocknian soldiers, sailors, and airmen who gave their lives during the Great Asian war. I ask you all to join in this moment of silence for those brave young men and women.

At this point, with the crowd in full silence, four Bonstocknian soldiers walked side by side, marching slowly. The two on the side carried rifles on their shoulders; the two in between carried a reef. A bugler started playing "Taps" as the men walked to the wharf, and dropped the reef into the water.

Bringing his head up from its bow, Adolphus spoke again. Thank you. And now, I will hereby criston this ship, RBS Dreadnought. He turned around, and with all of Bonstock watching, picked up the ceremonial bottle of champagne and smashed it against the hull of the ship. The great ship slid from its construction yard into the waves.

Within a week, it was joined by its 9 sisters: Draken, Malmo, Gotland, Visby, Kalmar, Seger, Gustavus, Yuko, and Bonstock.

A new age in naval warfare was dawning.

Last person building giant battleships got nuked by yours truly....good your not and extremist capitalist

good your not and extremist capitalist

Do you mean "You're not an extremist capitalist?"

God, I've been away from NS too long... you don't remember the Great Bonstocknian Civil War where the commies all go shot, my countless anti-communist interventions, etc.

FP, this is hardly a giant battleship. I have two battleships that are larger than this one, not including the Doujin. And yes, you nuked me.. wow. Although I am not an extremist capitalist government, you nuked away anyway :P

I would increase the width by about 200 feet if you dont want this thing to barrel roll when firing a broadside.

FP, this is hardly a giant battleship. I have two battleships that are larger than this one, not including the Doujin. And yes, you nuked me.. wow. Although I am not an extremist capitalist government, you nuked away anyway :P

Cooperations ruling countries seem extreme to me....but keep talking about those "other' 2 ships... :roll:

Well, its interesting.

Im afraid that I, too, am unaware of a weight calculation formula... but you kept the same hull and added extra weapons, armour, reactors, and systems... either its bigger and more costly, or its structurally unsound...

Freethinkers seems to have done wonders for the Doujin in terms of plausible design, and CSJ did a thread on naval vessels somewhere on the forums, so they might know exactly how much more heavy/large the Draken ought to be.