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*Premier DuFour of Communist Louisiana sits next to the head of defense Niketa Bolyak and Head of Technology Eli Mornov*

After much debate with comrade Bolyak & comrade Mornov, Communist Louisiana planes to begin methods to enrich plutonium for weapons.
We do not now exactly how long it will take to begin the inrichment process, including testing and development of the rockets and what not to propel the weapons.
We are hoping to gain support in technology and speacialist from other communist nations with ICBM's and other nuclear weapons. Any nation that wishes to help, please post or telegram us. We will pay a generous wage to scientist and other speacialist.

The Fedral union would like to help you ..
we can give tehcnogly to help you ... or sell you ICBM'S

It is not wise for any nation to so actively pursue weapons of mass destruction. It is truly saddening that another nation has succumbed to greed and the want of power. The USSL sees Communist Louisiana's excited attempts to gain access to weapons of mass destruction as dangerous and threatening, and we will treat it as such.

We ask that CL please abandon all pursuits to gain weapons of mass destruction in the name of prosperity and peace.

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The Fedral union would like to help you ..
we can give tehcnogly to help you ... or sell you ICBM'S

The Republic of Eredron would view this proliferation as a direct threat to it's national security.

The Fedral union would like to help you ..
we can give tehcnogly to help you ... or sell you ICBM'S

The Republic of Eredron would view this proliferation as a direct threat to it's national security.

:roll: Stope trying to police things if he uses these responsibly .. ill sell it to him . this is a legal transaction between 2 countrys if he accepts.

I can see how you would say that Federal Union, but what you say are just the words of another capitalist comsumed by greed. You would threaten world security by selling weapons of mass destruction to a nation that we can only hope will use them responsibily. Your exact words were "if he uses these responsibly." Quite frankly, if is not a word that should be used when talking about the future of global security. The Communist Empire of Frenrir will support Lietuveska in their attempt to end the trade of WMD, but we do it for our own security and prosperity. And remember, if one State grows stronger, then all other grow strong as well.

//signed//
Grand Myrmidon Kronodos Bloodsabre,
The Communist Empire of Frenrir

Thank you Fedral Union. I will take you up on the offer, but, instead of buying. I would like to learn to produce them. I will pay your nation and your scientist. As for the other nations. I dont plan to use them really. Only as a deterient and as a last resort. I have no ambition to take over territories. I only have ambitions to protect my two sister states of Communist Mississippip, Galette, allies, and myself.

I am truly honored that the nation of Frenrir has decided to take our side in this grave situation. No responsible nation should ever sell weapons of mass destruction, especially when it is not known that the nation in question is a responsible member of the international community.

As the esteemed Grand Myrmidon has said, the word if is simply not a word available for choice when it comes to proliferation. I again strongly urge the Fedral Union to back down in it's attempts to sell dangerous weapons to a nation that may not understand the consequences of setting off a nuclear explosion.

The fate of many nations could be decided by this small incident. Rather, it is not small at all, but potentially life-altering.

[Open communication to all nations that sell WMD]


Basically, I'm sending this message probably for the 4th time in my history to remind all nations who sell these weapons how Iuthia views and deals with Nuclear Proliferation.

First off we would like to note that all nations that seel WMD, mainly nuclear arsenal, are automatically added to our black list of nations, which simply means that a black listed nation is not allowed to trade with Iuthia or visa versa, we do not want to deal with nations so irrisponcable.

While we condemn the sale of these weapons, we have long ago admitted that we are not prepared to do anything to stop other nations from selling these weapons beyond the normal trade embargo... as such we can assure you that we will not see this alone as a reason for war.

However, we do have an interesting policy. Any nation that sells WMD to another nation shares responcability for the weapons they sold to that nation, meaning that if we detect the WMD you sold being used in ours, or our allies nations, we will blame your nation partially for any damage done...

So if you buyer goes loco and uses your bombs to blow up my friends, I will go to them, then you. Many nation selling WMD have protested this policy... however they forget that no matter how much they complain that they are not responcable, they are in our minds. Thats all that matters to us.

thanks for listening and heed this warning, less your buyer decide to bomb something he shouldn't have.

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The Confederacy of Tokarev condemns Fedral Union and Communist Louisiana and places a trade embargo on them. Our naval ships will board any merchant or military ship bearing the flag of these nations on sight until they break down their nuclear programmes.



All diplomatic relations have been cut off, and our diplomats have left their respective capitals.

Thank you Fedral Union. I will take you up on the offer, but, instead of buying. I would like to learn to produce them. I will pay your nation and your scientist. As for the other nations. I dont plan to use them really. Only as a deterient and as a last resort. I have no ambition to take over territories. I only have ambitions to protect my two sister states of Communist Mississippip, Galette, allies, and myself.

agreed we will send you the plans


1 : im not captlist
2 :i support communisum.
3 : illl give em the ICBM'S since i consider him an allie .

The Confederacy of Tokarev condemns Fedral Union and Communist Louisiana and places a trade embargo on them. Our naval ships will board any merchant or military ship bearing the flag of these nations on sight until they break down their nuclear programmes.



All diplomatic relations have been cut off, and our diplomats have left their respective capitals. IF YOU DO We will consider that an act of war do not bord our vesslas in internatinol waters you do and you will have the fedral union milltary to deal with .!

Until you come into compliance with the Nuclear Proliferation Treaties that your nation MUST agree with to be part of the United Nations, we will board your vessles at will.

PReG offers to share plans for the SS10M icbm system capable of hiting any target on the planet, solid fueled (can be launched at a moments notice unlike liquid fueled rockets) MMIRVs (carries multiple steerable warhead packages) antimissle countermeauseres (protects its self from interception by both beam and kenetic defence systems) 10 Billion $us or equivelent native courency, select trade goods may be accepted in lew of conventional payment.

for the benefit of Iuthia and other nations what take a similar stance on wmd, we are selling a delivery platform only not complete systems (yea its a fine line :P ) rocket technology (military and civilian aplications) are a major part of or economy and funds social programmes and our own space programme. We would also like to state that the PReG does not and has no aspirations to possess, develope or reexport nuclear chemical or biological weapons, if this you do not believe this declaration I invite you to send inspectors to our nuclear facilities so that you may be assured they are ouly used for power generation.

I think your nation is a little young and weak industrially to have an advanced ICBM system, nevermind one open for export.

Until you come into compliance with the Nuclear Proliferation Treaties that your nation MUST agree with to be part of the United Nations, we will board your vessles at will.

Then the fedral Union Hear buy Declares that if you bord one vessal we will declre war !

And if you cotunie this nonsense we will blockaed your nation and or attack your trade routes with submarines.

For the benefit of Iuthia and other nations what take a similar stance on wmd, we are selling a delivery platform only not complete systems.

We do not require such a system, as we already have our own highly effective anti-WMD system.


We would also like to note that the current list of UN Resolutions doesn't bad nuclear proliferation. So boarding his vessals would be seen as an act of war.


Finally I would like to add that Fedral Union is larger then America, so they can have ICBM's... I mean, it's not like they are under a month old or something.

The people of the NSoRS accept Lousiana's attempt to develop weapons grade plutonium and nuclear warheads - We neither hail nor condemn this ambitious research, but hope that the proletariat workers of Lousiana will have the responsibility and common sense to treat these most powerful of weapons with the respect and fear they deserve.

Our Forces are now on alert Incase any attempt at Piracy is made.
We will not back down and be bullied buy another nation.

Our Forces are now on alert Incase any attempt at Piracy is made.
We will not back down and be bullied buy another nation.

Thank you Fedral Union. I will take you up on the offer, but, instead of buying. I would like to learn to produce them. I will pay your nation and your scientist. As for the other nations. I dont plan to use them really. Only as a deterient and as a last resort. I have no ambition to take over territories. I only have ambitions to protect my two sister states of Communist Mississippip, Galette, allies, and myself.

The USSCR will not send weapons to Communist Louisiana. The USSCR will, for no charge, construct a massive WMD-defense network in CL. This will only be done if CL agrees to never purchase Nuclear weapons.

-- think your nation is a little young and weak industrially to have an advanced ICBM system, nevermind one open for export.--


its derived from our space programme (yes we do have a successul space programe as the majority of our funds are spent on it, not to mention foreign donations)

as for the export issue, we have no nukes and do not aspire to possess any, the delivery system was designed as a export venture, we sell icbms to suppy xtra funding to our space programme

--We do not require such a system, as we already have our own highly effective anti-WMD system. --

iu think you miss interpreted me, i was nto tryig to sell you delivery systems but to make it clear i am not selling nukes

-Edit-

War is an unnecessary avenue to take. It is wasteful and destructive, and will not succeed in anything. War has always had consequences to outweigh the rewards, if it can be said that war ever brings rewards.

The recent rise in tensions is also a large waste in valuable time. There is no reason for The Fedral Union to take any action, and the nation of Tokarev is shaming those that are trying to halt this proliferation. Warmongering on both sides is a terrible embarrassment to those of either opinion.

To end, Lietuveska refuses to see either side to so willingly bound ahead to war. This is an unnecessary fuss that can simply be resolved by The Fedral Union abandoning its dangerous attempts to put the lives of millions on the line. We again urge Communist Louisiana and The Fedral Union to halt this proliferation.

As socialists, Lietuvs will not blindly support others because they have close views as ours. However, we find the immediate support of CL from Communist nations simply because CL has the same views is disgusting and humiliating to mainstream communists, which Lietuvs glady do not claim to be a part of.

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I would like to first point out, that NO NATION has the right to police me. If you would like, I would like for you to try. I have a large amount of allies and soon enough many more.

As I said, I plan to use them ONLY in the case if im attacked by them. Or my sisiter nations.

Lietuve
As socialists, Lietuvs will not blindly support others because they have close views as ours. However, we find the immediate support of CL from Communist nations simply because CL has the same views is disgusting and humiliating to mainstream communists, which Lietuvs glady do not claim to be a part of.


I would like to officially denounce Lietuve. You are not socialist. You are capitalist scum in my book. I spit on your nation if dare speak about communism like that.

The following nations would also probably denounce how you speak of Marx.

Communist Mississippi
Galette
Kanabia
El Comandante Che
The Federation of The Zakarum
The Peoples Republic of The Cubans
The Colony of Caicos Islands
United Socialist States of Prussian Saxony
Albion Soviets
Ubootistan
Dakara
Coolet
Yshurak
Hallad Letila
Hattia
Nodea Rudav

I do not wish to start anything with anyone. But, there is no need to down any governments. I don't and neither should you. So why dont you go waddle in your filth and greed.

Comandante Che is an ally of mine, as well.



OOC: I don't have time to type up a more in-depth IC post but I will do it tomorrow. I am not a warmongerer by nature, but the background for my nation is strongly militaristic and expansionist, and it has been a while since I was in a good RP. That is the only reason for my belligerance.

It is quite amazing that Communist Louisiana has acted most fascistically. We are condemned for not supporting you, because your nation somehow feels we should simply becuase we share similar economic views? However, Lietuveska would like to clear our record.

Socialism and the Communism you use are very different. Your Communism, often referred to as Stalinism, is a twisted perversion of Karl Marx's teachings and an embarassment to his legacy. Karl Marx in fact said that he dreamed of peaceful progression to communism. That is what modern socialism is, or is rather close to.

Rather, we would call you the true traitors, in terms of loyalty to the teachings of Marx. However, if Communist Louisiana still insists that we are "capitalist scum", by all means we suggest you rethink your position.

Your list of allies do not intimidate us, for education is of most importance. It appears that Communist Louisiana's education regarding Karl Marx is very limited, so do not be surprised if we sincerely believe you and your allies have created a coalition of rather dull-minded nations.

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First of all, where do you get off saying I am Stalinist. I want WMD to protect my homeland and nothingelse. You are the Capitalist Pig who is trying to police the world. You are no better than Bush. You need to shut your mouth b4 you start making accusations that I am Stalinist. I have the best political freedoms in my region and I am more advanced than almost every other nation in my region. I do study the ideals of Marx. I have for years. So I dont like you trying to police me. And by the way, I never had traded with your god damn people and I never intended to trade with your people or your damn nation. So you can black list me all you want. It doesnt hurt me any. Just realize that right now, there are about 30-50 nations backing me in different sectors. SO frankly I do give a damn. If you porduce something, someone else probably does to.


P.S. If you board one of Fedral's Ships, I will do everything in my power to have The International's support and Yes I will declair war and YES I will crush you. So you leave Fedrals ships alone. I might lose in the long run but, not after destroying all that you have created.


Sincerly with absolutely no love nor respect
Premier DuFour
U.S.S.C.

The Protecorate of the Underrealms will be most eager to sell you all the missile guidance systems that you will require for your nuclear warheads. However, we must warn you not to use them on us, our region, or our former region (The Confederacy of Isles), or you will face swift retribution.

The Fedral Union Supports Communist Louisiana Fully and will help them .
In any case. We shall also arm our personell on our merchent ships to prevent any attmept at pirecy .

OOC: Interesting how you assume you would crush me. We'll see, shan't we?

Cited from an article in the Hvittsted Times:

A highly irritated Blått Hus today announced that all relations with extremist nations, on both the far right and left, will hereby be shunned and treated unkindly. "Apparently we simply aren't war-mongering enough for some of those nations out there. I'm also rather repulsed at the lack of grammar skills these countries seem to possess. Perhaps the only language they have learned is that of war," said the President when asked about the derrogatory attitudes exhibited by Communist Louisiana and The Fedral Union.

Cited from an article in the Hvittsted Times:

A highly irritated Blått Hus today announced that all relations with extremist nations, on both the far right and left, will hereby be shunned and treated unkindly. "Apparently we simply aren't war-mongering enough for some of those nations out there. I'm also rather repulsed at the lack of grammar skills these countries seem to possess. Perhaps the only language they have learned is that of war," said the President when asked about the derrogatory attitudes exhibited by Communist Louisiana and The Fedral Union.


OOC: lol, nice to see some good communist RP out there, I'm tired of people banning them because they think all communists are run like Russia...

Although it is against Credonian foreign policy to support communist nation, I Alexander Sutton must agree with what they are saying. You cannot police nations, not can you make basic assumptions that they are stalinist just because they are communists. Remember, communism was intended for GOOD but certain individuals such as stalin lenin, krushev, etc. used it for bad, thus giving communism a bad name. Unless you know what a government is about and their policies, it would be best to just keep quiet or you'd find yourself in a load of trouble in a heartbeat.

Lietuveska, we are quite offended by your attack upon Kanabia and our allies as a "coalition of dull minded nations". We oppose Stalinism and repression of the voice of the masses. We would like to remind our Lithuanian comrades of the world we live in. Defence is a priority. Our ideals are constantly under attack by nations who fear them. Had we the security of knowing we were safe without resorting to such weapons, there would be no need of them. Marx advocates defence of workers rights. Does this not apply to their lives as well? Nuclear weapons can convince powerful enemies to leave us alone...otherwise shall they choose to invade, we shall most likely be defeated at the loss of many millions of our citizens. Defending our workers by employing nuclear weapons in a defensive role does not make us Stalinist. Kanabian citizens boast extensive civil and political rights, and we are certainly *NOT* an authoritarian government. While we are currently a non-nuclear nation, we see the need of such weapons and may develop them in the future. If there is a move towards global disarmament, we shall second it wholeheartedly and scrap any efforts to build such weapons. However, we believe this to be very unlikely. Communist Louisiana and The Federal Union have our full support.

Please, Lietuveska. We believe you are comrades, and we don’t wish to take action against you. But should you make any hostile moves towards CL or the Federal Union, we will be forced to assist in their defence. We hope that you understand our position in this matter.

OOC: Have you guys even read everything the guy has said? Honestly? He hasn't threatened anyone, yet because of a couple lines you are acting as though he has...

Sigh... read everything before you post next time... :roll:

I am one of two of CL's satillite nations. I must say it is beyond too late to disarm and dismantle our nuclear program. We have tested our first nuclear weapons in northern Galette. Here are some pics of the test.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/lgm-30-dvic440.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/mm-3-art_space_0005.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/mm-3-art_space_0001.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/mm-3-art_space_0004.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/mm-3-art_space_0003.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/slide92.jpg

http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/nuclear_explosion.jpg

I would like to thank everyone that helped my program and supported me. I have not changed my views and I will not sell nuclear weapons despite the fact that some of the "police states" think I will.

Hattia is rather angered by Lietuveska calling us and our allies, 'A coalition of dull minded nations.' As you could see if you had taken the time to look at our nations, Education is one of Hattia's top 3 priorities. So it is rather unlikely that we are a dull minded nation. Hattia only has nuclear weaponry as a deterrent and supports other nations using them as such. Currently we have never had to use our nuclear armament and we hope never to be required to.

Cited from an article in the Hvittsted Times:

A highly irritated Blått Hus today announced that all relations with extremist nations, on both the far right and left, will hereby be shunned and treated unkindly. "Apparently we simply aren't war-mongering enough for some of those nations out there. I'm also rather repulsed at the lack of grammar skills these countries seem to possess. Perhaps the only language they have learned is that of war," said the President when asked about the derrogatory attitudes exhibited by Communist Louisiana and The Fedral Union.

:roll: Evry time we try doing some thing its called war mongering how would you like it if i went in evry thread when you introdused soem thing to your milltary or any meeting thread and say thats warmongering and imperlisum.
you wouldint like it would you ?

Well, Hallad conradulates CL and her satillite nations. It is a dream of Hallad to one day become a nuclear capable nation, to better our people's welfare with the ability of nuclear power. Also to better defend ourselves.

Hallad condemns Lietuveska for false accusations of Stalinism. That is merely a generalization.

OOC: No offense but TFU is pretty bad with grammar, but I doubt I'm any better.

(I type to fast lol that probly the thing and my whole faimly has bad spelling skills . lol )

Any way ....

OOC:

1. I am not communist, I am socialistic.

2. I have not threatened war in any way.

IC:

Our grounds for calling the particular coalition that Communist Louisiana has claimed its membership one that is 'dull-minded', is the fact that many nations have come together to support each other, not for a common goal. It is believed by the USSL that this coalition of nations is only so because each nation blindly supports the other simply because it labels itself as "Communist".

In no way is Lietuveska trying to impose the impression we favor military action. That would be highly irresponsible and very stupid, as we have no nuclear capabilities and do not feel that Communist Louisiana has the maturity to understand that nuclear weapons are dangers to all humans on this planet.

To end, it sees that the message of peace and prosperity exhibited by our nation has failed somewhat. The testing of nuclear weapons in Communist Mississippi is truly horrendous, and Lietuveska fears that this only leads to imminent disaster. It is hoped that eventually CL or CM will see their wrongs of their ways, and convert to a true message of peace.

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Actually, Hallad is not Communist, we are Socialist.

Our grounds for calling the particular coalition that Communist Louisiana has claimed its membership one that is 'dull-minded', is the fact that many nations have come together to support each other, not for a common goal. It is believed by the USSL that this coalition of nations is only so because each nation blindly supports the other simply because it labels itself as "Communist".

In no way is Lietuveska trying to impose the impression we favor military action. That would be highly irresponsible and very stupid, as we have no nuclear capabilities and do not feel that Communist Louisiana has the maturity to understand that nuclear weapons are dangers to all humans on this planet.

To end, it sees that the message of peace and prosperity exhibited by our nation has failed somewhat. The testing of nuclear weapons in Communist Mississippi is truly horrendous, and Lietuveska fears that this only leads to imminent disaster. It is hoped that eventually CL or CM will see their wrongs of their ways, and convert to a true message of peace.

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[Iuthian press release in responce to Lietuveska's message of peace.]

We would like to congradulate your government on having such an enlightened view on WMD, they are clearly not required in todays international community as many nations are prepared to assist others when imperialistic nations attack...

As such we would like to voice our support for your nations politics and find ourselves agreeing with many of your statements; Iuthia is friendly with many nations providing they are generally peaceful and polite. Many self proclaimed "Communists" are among these, we don't ally with nations purely because they conform to a sterotype, we judge nations on their actions and laws.

None the less we would like to offer the hand of friendship to the nation of Lietuveska and ask permission to allow our diplomatic staff into your nation, or visa versa.

We are impressed with your international image, which is something that is becoming increasingly rare these days...

Thanks,

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I would like to thank that nations backing me. I would be honored Hallad to help you develop nuclear energy programs and other programs. We are both very close allies and I would do anything to help a fellow comrade. I would also like to point out that the nations calling me stalinist and degrading my allies and my motherland can kiss my ass. I hope your leaders of your nation a early and painful death. The people will overthrow you anyways. When they are ready, I will support them.

OOC:How does the pics look?

Many thanks to CL for thier support.

http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_International/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=231

Lietuveska would be thrilled to further diplomatic relations with Iuthia. Perhaps a telegram would be more appropriate in this case. We eagerly await a message from the Iuthian government.

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