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Hello Comrades,

The nation of Benicius has claimed to have the authority of the International Court of Justice and accused me of illegal drilling in my own land. I've told him that the oil is on my land and I have rights to it, but he still threatened me.

He accused me and everyone else in the thread of godmodding even when I never even attacked, just watched. He changed his government to communist to avoid being beaten by the communist nations, but I don't think we won't some like him in our midst.

I had to temporarily shut down oil drilling in order to meet this threat and I lost 10 billion in oil revenues. I can't allow his accusations of me go unpunished, so I am going to war.

good luck, can I join?

As your first ally, Shinoxia, me and my men will stand by you in whatever you choose to do.

Yes Penguisiana, you may join comrade.

Dancing Moose thank you for helping me and together we will eliminate this threat.

The Empire of Xiang Gang is reluctant to, yet has promised to, engage in this conflict. A warship has been sent, with fighters and a large arsenal of ship to air missiles. The Empire will concentrate on defence of Shinoxia, shooting down aircraft.

The Empire of Xiang Gang is reluctant to, yet has promised to, engage in this conflict. A warship has been sent, with fighters and a large arsenal of ship to air missiles. The Empire will concentrate on defence of Shinoxia, shooting down aircraft.

Thank you for your support, Xiang Gang. I honor it and respect it just as much as Shinoxia. Hopefully we can make it though this and come our victorious.

Hello Comrades,

The nation of Benicius has claimed to have the authority of the International Court of Justice and accused me of illegal drilling in my own land. I've told him that the oil is on my land and I have rights to it, but he still threatened me.

He accused me and everyone else in the thread of godmodding even when I never even attacked, just watched. He changed his government to communist to avoid being beaten by the communist nations, but I don't think we won't some like him in our midst.

I had to temporarily shut down oil drilling in order to meet this threat and I lost 10 billion in oil revenues. I can't allow his accusations of me go unpunished, so I am going to war.


So you stopped drilling oil because of his threat (despite the fact you obviously don't fear him, being so willing to go to war over some lost revenue...)

You also seem to be using an OOC arguement to justify your war which seems to be about the loss of oil revenues... but you can't use OOC reasons to go to an IC war...

So whats this war about, the fact you stopped drilling and thus lost revenue. You are going to go to war, an very costly war, just to get some money back...

Hm...

[code:1:2d65771643]>>Adding "Shinoxia" to black list......

>>Data Transfer complete.

>>Ceasing all trade with "Shinoxia".......

>>Estimated losses in Iuthian revenue: $00.00 (USD)

>>Electronic Transfers blocked, mailmerge sent to Iuthian business owners...[/code:1:2d65771643]

Iuthia, I ceased drilling oil because I wasn't sure how strong he was but now that I know he's weak I resumed it but I lost 10 billion when I temporaily shut down oil drilling.

Besides Iuthia, some of the other communist nations don't trust him and don't want him in our midst and will help me take him out. If it wasn't me who destroyed him it would be someone else.

Hello Comrades,

The nation of Benicius has claimed to have the authority of the International Court of Justice and accused me of illegal drilling in my own land. I've told him that the oil is on my land and I have rights to it, but he still threatened me.

He accused me and everyone else in the thread of godmodding even when I never even attacked, just watched. He changed his government to communist to avoid being beaten by the communist nations, but I don't think we won't some like him in our midst.

I had to temporarily shut down oil drilling in order to meet this threat and I lost 10 billion in oil revenues. I can't allow his accusations of me go unpunished, so I am going to war. :twisted: GO TO WAR, GO TO WAR, YAHOO !!!! :twisted:

Comrade Brethren Shinoxia,

Shall I, a Defender of the People, be able to send some forces to watch this War? For I only wish the Safety of The People, and if forces are accepted, I will assign Peacekeeping Patrols in Defense of Innocent People.

Nodea Rudov your welcome to.

The NRSS Peoples Voice will be assigned to the duty of Peacekeeping. Thank you Comrade Brethren Shinoxia, I shall ensure the saftey of inncoents in this war.

Well... shutting down the oil drilling program is your problem, not his... I don't agree with his way of thinking, seeing as I don't recognise his ICJ claims what so ever...

But you are going to war with a nation, possibly killing thousands or your soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians because of money...

Think about it... America has spent tens of billions going to war with Iraq... it's expensive, it's costly... at least they claimed something a bit better then saying "We are doing it cause they cost us money". I would have condemned the American's had that had happened in NS, but your war seems worst...

You want to spend billions going to war with someone, killing thousands of lives because of 10 Billion USD in lost revenue which you stopped by your own decision. It's pointless.

As for others wanting to decalre war on him... well, it's up to them but if they do it for dumb reasons I'll condemn them too. Though, most people wait for a good reason to go to war...


Do you actually know where his nation is? Are you prepared to invade him or are you just declaring a state of war... invasions are harders then defences... trust me on this, I've looked the at stats and I know the problems with an offencive...

Well, Iuthia it's too early to say whether or not I'm going to attack or he is so I'm going to wait for his response.

Well... shutting down the oil drilling program is your problem, not his... I don't agree with his way of thinking, seeing as I don't recognise his ICJ claims what so ever...

But you are going to war with a nation, possibly killing thousands or your soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians because of money...

Think about it... America has spent tens of billions going to war with Iraq... it's expensive, it's costly... at least they claimed something a bit better then saying "We are doing it cause they cost us money". I would have condemned the American's had that had happened in NS, but your war seems worst...

You want to spend billions going to war with someone, killing thousands of lives because of 10 Billion USD in lost revenue which you stopped by your own decision. It's pointless.

As for others wanting to decalre war on him... well, it's up to them but if they do it for dumb reasons I'll condemn them too. Though, most people wait for a good reason to go to war...


Do you actually know where his nation is? Are you prepared to invade him or are you just declaring a state of war... invasions are harders then defences... trust me on this, I've looked the at stats and I know the problems with an offencive...

Your thoughts about America and her wars are completely respected here, but I being a strong patriot of the U.S. will have to urge you to take them elsewhere and not relate them in any way with this war, as a heated argument might emerge. For me, this war is not only about money, but in response to Benicius virtually attacking us and deeply insulting me and Shinoxia. I completly agree with Shinoxia wanting his money back, and all Benicius has to do is comply with this, but it isnt the only reason we want to remove this threat. As of now, we are declearing a state of war between Shinoxia and his allies, including me, against Benicius.

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OOC:War over lost Revenues. Your war on rebeland was pathetic this is even more pathetic lost revenues cmon. Are the Snowy lands of Antarctica just looking for wars where they can Hopefully use a Regional army. Dont try and make this into another Rebeland!

IC: Svalvard Condemns this war for reasons are not good enough.

OOC:War over lost Revenues. Your war on rebeland was pathetic this is even more pathetic lost revenues cmon. Are the Snowy lands of Antarctica just looking for wars where they can Hopefully use a Regional army. Dont try and make this into another Rebeland!

IC: Svalvard Condemns this war for reasons are not good enough.

You no nothing of the history of this war so stay out of it. What makes you think we want to use a regional army? Who ever said that? In fact, me and Shinoxia have decreased our forces to a reasonable size. Why dont you do a little research on our affairs before you start yelling false accusations. Im dont care at all that you 'condemn' this war, its better anyway that your not in it. Now ive already appoligised to Agryes and Hatchibombitar, and im appoligizing to to you now for our acts in the
Rebeland war so as of now that whole incident is forgotton.

Your thoughts about America and her wars are completely respected here, but I being a strong patriot of the U.S. will have to urge you to take them elsewhere and not relate them in any way with this war, as a heated argument might emerge.

It's an example... I'm not making my point about the American War, I was using it as an example, if you can grasp the concept, as a way of saying "war is exspensive". Now Shinoxia has replied reasonably so far and he understood what I meant... now it's your turn.

War costs money, more then Shinoxia lost I would suspect. This is assuming you guys attack first, though I can't imagine Benicius giving you guys any money... though if he attacks you I may just remove my condemnation... it depends on my mood it be honest.


For me, this war is not only about money, but in response to Benicius virtually attacking us and deeply insulting me and Shinoxia. I completly agree with Shinoxia wanting his money back, and all Benicius has to do is comply with this, but it isnt the only reason we want to remove this threat. As of now, we are declearing a state of war between Shinoxia and his allies, including me, against Benicius.

In bold is the crux of your problem... he hasn't attacked and his forces were deployed to international waters to reinforce his threat. He never attacked you... in fact, you guys RPed a missile attack against him first. But I'm assuming the missile attack never happened, so we'll forget that.

Eitherway, he hasn't attacked you and it's amazing because the guy threatening war in this thread didn't use this arguement... because it's groundless.

In the italic is the OOC problem... he insulted you OOC by saying you were GODMODING, and to be honest, some of it was very close... thats why you guys are starting again... because of all the confusion. So I'll say again, OOC reasons are not good IC reasons to go to war.


So what does this leave... oh... it leaves money... money he lost from telling his oil companies to stop during the threat. Eitherway, the proposal of this thread is "Compensate me or I will declare war on you." and I'm against it.

That is my point of view, I would have left it as Shinoxia left it, but you just had to bring the OOC point back into it, even Shinoxia realised that not the reason for this war... it's money, lost revenue.

You cannot say that Benicius did not attack us, when the first sign of this war ever started he sent 3 carrier battle groups to 'deal with us'. We had done nothing at all, and in the hours that followed we built up a sizeable defense forces that these carriers would have to get through. In response to our repeated asking of the status of his carriers he responded saying that the location of them is 'unknown to us'. So I RPed saying that our ships had picked them up on radar and then I launched a missile attack against them, as his carriers entering Antarctic Home Waters was considered an act of war. So you see he is the attacker here, he started this whole thing, NOT US. So according to what I just said, his false accusations of us godmodding are considered an insult to me, so what? Im supposing that your trying to get Shinoxia mad at me or something by me bring the fact that he insulted us up. Its not going to work, and it really doesnt matter to me if you condemn this war, so have fun.

i will help you even though i dont know you im willing to make a cause

Thank you Comrade Mildroid, I ask that no one make any aggressive movements until Benicius responds.

I may want to point out that I know what happened in the orginal thread because I've unfortunatly read it all and then told Benicus off for his stupid "you can't see me claims". I also pointed out that some of you guys defending have also made stupid claims... overall my suggestion was in that thread to start again with better RP.

I'm not even going to repeat myself because you missed the point... I don't want Shinoxia to hate you, I just want you to know that OOC reasons for IC wars don't work...

Insults about GODMODING = OOC

Hm... til' do... I can't be assed explaining it, it's too comlex.

i will not i am just someone who tries to make peace in NS

I may want to point out that I know what happened in the orginal thread because I've unfortunatly read it all and then told Benicus off for his stupid "you can't see me claims". I also pointed out that some of you guys defending have also made stupid claims... overall my suggestion was in that thread to start again with better RP.

I'm not even going to repeat myself because you missed the point... I don't want Shinoxia to hate you, I just want you to know that OOC reasons for IC wars don't work...

Insults about GODMODING = OOC

Hm... til' do... I can't be assed explaining it, it's too comlex.

Iuthia with all due respect those aren't our only reasons. He threatened me time and time again with telegrams telling me to stop drilling my own oil and threatened to attack me.

Before I had any chance to say anything about he said he had 3 carriers waiting to deploy, he may not have attacked but he certainly was getting ready to, and I'm not going to wait around for him to.

I may want to point out that I know what happened in the orginal thread because I've unfortunatly read it all and then told Benicus off for his stupid "you can't see me claims". I also pointed out that some of you guys defending have also made stupid claims... overall my suggestion was in that thread to start again with better RP.

I'm not even going to repeat myself because you missed the point... I don't want Shinoxia to hate you, I just want you to know that OOC reasons for IC wars don't work...

Insults about GODMODING = OOC

Hm... til' do... I can't be assed explaining it, it's too comlex.

I would like you to tell me my 'stupid claims'. We are trying to start a new thread with better RPing in case you havent noticed. I agree that OOC accusations just deplete the reason for IC wars, but I also would like to point out that using OOC accusations was not our doing in the first place, it was Benicius.

Iuthia with all due respect those aren't our only reasons. He threatened me time and time again with telegrams telling me to stop drilling my own oil and threatened to attack me.

Before I had any chance to say anything about he said he had 3 carriers waiting to deploy, he may not have attacked but he certainly was getting ready to, and I'm not going to wait around for him to.

Your still the Agressor then since he didnt deploy forces in your Wters or airspace. If you attack him first even if he was going to attack you your the agressor & hes the defender.

Iuthia with all due respect those aren't our only reasons. He threatened me time and time again with telegrams telling me to stop drilling my own oil and threatened to attack me.

Before I had any chance to say anything about he said he had 3 carriers waiting to deploy, he may not have attacked but he certainly was getting ready to, and I'm not going to wait around for him to.

Your still the Agressor then since he didnt deploy forces in your Wters or airspace. If you attack him first even if he was going to attack you your the agressor & hes the defender.

Svalvard, I highly recommend that you stay out of this, it is none of your concern, and you do not know all of the facts about the situation. If you persist on involving yourself in this for some unknown reason, then I suggest that you read my previous posts in this thread and they will explain how Benicius did attack us first.

OOC:I dont see any post in this thread about Benicius Attacking first. As a fact i dont see any Benicius Post in this thread. Even though benicius and me dont get along(prolly never will) unless its here in this thread since you guys had to start over from your last thread cause of Someone screaming godmoding out(Benicius did if im guessing right,Cause he did the same thing when he was Defeated by a group of other nations he screamed godmoders and left & in fact The Forces were actually smaller then what they could have been yet he still used that so he could run and hide.) If you can get me some proof hell I'll Support this 110%

I'll leave it at that... though my complaint is with the listed reasons (Money). Personally I didn't like Benicius for his arguement, I was even prepared to buy oil from you at one point, but I decided I couldn't be assed as everyone bitched at each side GODMODING.

If you want an example of your sides "stupid" claims, you launched missiles at him and then told him they hit, even though he could have used anti-missile systems and supporting ship AA systems to stop some of the missles hitting... he has at least some AA defence, while he may not have stopped many of the missiles, it is bad RP to tell him your attack was sucessful. Had left it at "missiles are to hit" and then he claimed they didn't, he would be godmoding... you get the idea. I did point this out in the other thread and in the other thread I'm the onle who suggested starting again...

Now, if you are starting again, don't use "he insulted me" as an escuse because if you start again you ignore what happened the first time.

I know what you guys mean and if he messes up and attacks you first without damn good reason then I'll condemn him... I almost condemned him the first time, but the whole thing was a mess when I read it all the first time.

Now, I'll leave it at that.

Ill agree with you on that (that I should have not posted saying they hit), Iuthia, but to leave it at that I must say; after I posted the missile strike there was sufficent time in between that and when I posted saying they hit for him to have countered it somehow.

OOC:I dont see any post in this thread about Benicius Attacking first. As a fact i dont see any Benicius Post in this thread. Even though benicius and me dont get along(prolly never will) unless its here in this thread since you guys had to start over from your last thread cause of Someone screaming godmoding out(Benicius did if im guessing right,Cause he did the same thing when he was Defeated by a group of other nations he screamed godmoders and left & in fact The Forces were actually smaller then what they could have been yet he still used that so he could run and hide.) If you can get me some proof hell I'll Support this 110%

This is what happened in the other thread Svalvard, I posted this at the top of the page in this thread if you didnt see it.

You cannot say that Benicius did not attack us, when the first sign of this war ever started he sent 3 carrier battle groups to 'deal with us'. We had done nothing at all, and in the hours that followed we built up a sizeable defense forces that these carriers would have to get through. In response to our repeated asking of the status of his carriers he responded saying that the location of them is 'unknown to us'. So I RPed saying that our ships had picked them up on radar and then I launched a missile attack against them, as his carriers entering Antarctic Home Waters was considered an act of war. So you see he is the attacker here, he started this whole thing, NOT US.

hm.... how should I help in this war?

after I posted the missile strike there was sufficent time in between that and when I posted saying they hit for him to have countered it somehow.

You know that isn't how it works... but I guess if he wasn't too busy whining about godmoding he would have noticed it.

*ahem* I'll stop now... honest.

The International Court of Justice has given permission for the Empire to take military action against Shinoxia unless it closes its drilling facilities and apologises to the international community.

The Empire leads a regional coalition of 910 million people in opposition to Shinoxia's actions. Unless Shinoxia complies, war shall be declared.

At this time, the Benician Kriegsmarine is set to head to sea and await further orders. 3 CVBG's will be sent to Shinoxia if it does not comply.

Drilling the Antarctic is a violation and is not tolerated.

Svalvard, I case you havent seen this, this is Benicius's post in the other thread saying that he will send the carriers (we would not comply). I went and got this for your reference.

after I posted the missile strike there was sufficent time in between that and when I posted saying they hit for him to have countered it somehow.

You know that isn't how it works... but I guess if he wasn't too busy whining about godmoding he would have noticed it.

*ahem* I'll stop now... honest.


You are right, that is not the way it is supposed to work and I appoligize for my mistakes, and I agree as that is my point exactly about his continuous godmodding accusations.

after I posted the missile strike there was sufficent time in between that and when I posted saying they hit for him to have countered it somehow.

You know that isn't how it works... but I guess if he wasn't too busy whining about godmoding he would have noticed it.

*ahem* I'll stop now... honest.

Iuthia your right both me and dancing moose knows that that isnt how it works but all this guy would post was my ships werent in antarticas waters must have hit your own crap. And we begged him to tell us wheather his ships were in are waters before that, when he wouldnt, I took the liberty of deciding they were which ive been told is boredline godmoding. so summerize two points: it would never have ended in godmoding if...

benicius had said in some way wheather of not his ships were in are waters. and we asked several times for him to post what happened to the missles when all he would say is u didnt hit me quit godmoding thats when i lost it and said your ship is smoking about to sink and for that(which is definatly not borderline in terms of godmoding) i aplogize

OOC: I thought the last thread was cancelled :?

no as for my position in this war im not sure where i stand because all i think that is gonna happen is benicius will be almost dead and suddenly we will all be godmoding...without a modirator im sceptical

assuming benicius ever shows up

Look... I'm not going to argue it anymore... so Wert3813, I couldn't care less, if you guys want to RP this, start again, if you don't then it's just going to continue with accusations from both sides...

Chances are that the guy is just pissed off and he probably is just calling everything a god-mode now, I don't care. If you want an easy answer just ignore him. It will solve alot.

If you want the more fun but harder solution, start again, get everyone to read the FAQ's about Godmoding and Ignoring and then RP a normal situation.

If everyone read and understood those FAQ's, this wouldn't be an issue.

Additional Note: Both sides were very agressive in telling each other they were wrong, dealing with alot of people, you soon realise this just backs them into a corner and makes them argue even more. If someone wasn't shouting at this guy and if he wasn't shouting at you, it would have been easy to sort out... however, people love shouting at n00bs.

personally i vote we just ignore this guy

I can't just ignore this, he insulted me and accused me of godmodding when I never even attacked him. The name of the thread was "Closed due to Shinoxia godmodding" I never said anything and now I might get a bad reputation from this!

I can't let this go unpunished.

I can't just ignore this, he insulted me and accused me of godmodding when I never even attacked him. The name of the thread was "Closed due to Shinoxia godmodding" I never said anything and now I might get a bad reputation from this!

I can't let this go unpunished.

Andrew while i fell for you and think your in the right do you think A. He will ever respond and B. if you have him almost dead to you think he will do anything other than call you a godmoder

Andrew while i fell for you and think your in the right do you think A. He will ever respond and B. if you have him almost dead to you think he will do anything other than call you a godmoder

Ubber do I know you?

I know he's been on and he's seen this thread but he knows he can't win so he chooses to ignore it because he's a coward.

If he doesn't respond I'm prepared to make a public announcement about his cowardice, I won't let him get away with humiliating my nation.

I can't just ignore this, he insulted me and accused me of godmodding when I never even attacked him. The name of the thread was "Closed due to Shinoxia godmodding" I never said anything and now I might get a bad reputation from this!

I can't let this go unpunished.

Shinoxia,
Please don't let your pride get in the way of your judgement. It's pretty clear that you and your friends in the Antarctic regions don't think Benicius is a skilled RPer. You absolutely have the right to feel that way and no one is going to deny you your opinion. If that's the case, why would you want to try again to RP with him; what's changed? On an even more fundamental level, why do you think starting over is going to result in a better written, more cooperative, RP? I mean no offense, but I truly believe your strategy here is going to make things worse, not better.

Let me suggest a solution, one that's both IC and OOC:

IC:
1) Hatchibombitar will pay you fifty cents on the dollar for your drilling losses. That's $5 Billion, cash. In return, you drop your financial claim against Benicius.
2) You agree, IC, to stand down your forces since your financial claim has been settled.
3) You take responsibility, IC, for standing down your allied forces.

OOC:
1) Don't RP with Benicius.
2) Don't TG with Benicius once this is settled.
3) Ask Benicius, nicely, to change the title of the old thread to one that is less inflammatory to you. I, and I'm sure others, will back you in that request if you ask nicely.
4) Find some people to RP with that you respect, and that respect you. There's some in this thread, there were some in the Rebeland thread.
5) Take this experience as a positive, learn from it, and blow us all away with your skills and wisdom in future RP's!

Best,
Hatch

Benicius wont show up. If he knows he is gonna be destroyed, he wont come. He was pretty much destroyed by 7 communist nations b4.

Last time he had war declared upon him i was part of the Agreessors. We declred war upon him for his Frivelous accusations against some of my allies. So we declared war upon him and he never showed. We knew he saw it, We Telegrammed him for 1 week straight. After he didnt show we just claimed Victory. He NEVER shows when war is declared upon him cause he dont have the guts to fight when hes the person who started it all. If you can get him too show ill help you guys kick his a$$ since he never showed up for the last war.

To the Shinoxian Dictatorship,

The provisional government of the Empire of Benicius regrets that you lost $10 billion USD under the reign of our former dictatorship, however wishes to advise you that no money can be paid as Shinoxia is not a diplomatically acknowledged nation by the Empire.

We are further at a loss of what actions you have taken since stating you were "going to war"? Thus far no formal declaration has been made, and the people of Benicius are unaware of any hostilities.

Unfortunately, due to the transition to democracy, the Empire is unable to entertain your demands and is not obliged to respond other than denial of any hostile actions against Shinoxia as this government has only been in temporary office for some 24 hours.

Should Shinoxia decide to declare war upon the people of Benicius, then it shall be required to make a formal declaration publically and via private telegram stipulating the reasons for attacking a free and innocent state.

Statement from the provisional national president.

I can't just ignore this, he insulted me and accused me of godmodding when I never even attacked him. The name of the thread was "Closed due to Shinoxia godmodding" I never said anything and now I might get a bad reputation from this!

I can't let this go unpunished.

Shinoxia,
Please don't let your pride get in the way of your judgement. It's pretty clear that you and your friends in the Antarctic regions don't think Benicius is a skilled RPer. You absolutely have the right to feel that way and no one is going to deny you your opinion. If that's the case, why would you want to try again to RP with him; what's changed? On an even more fundamental level, why do you think starting over is going to result in a better written, more cooperative, RP? I mean no offense, but I truly believe your strategy here is going to make things worse, not better.

Let me suggest a solution, one that's both IC and OOC:

IC:
1) Hatchibombitar will pay you fifty cents on the dollar for your drilling losses. That's $5 Billion, cash. In return, you drop your financial claim against Benicius.
2) You agree, IC, to stand down your forces since your financial claim has been settled.
3) You take responsibility, IC, for standing down your allied forces.

OOC:
1) Don't RP with Benicius.
2) Don't TG with Benicius once this is settled.
3) Ask Benicius, nicely, to change the title of the old thread to one that is less inflammatory to you. I, and I'm sure others, will back you in that request if you ask nicely.
4) Find some people to RP with that you respect, and that respect you. There's some in this thread, there were some in the Rebeland thread.
5) Take this experience as a positive, learn from it, and blow us all away with your skills and wisdom in future RP's!

Best,
Hatch

Comrade thank you for your concern but I won't accept your money.

If Benicius changes the name of the thread I'm willing to drop this matter but if he doesn't I'll take it as a declaration of war and commence with attacking him.

sorry logged in under a puppet and didnt relize it...its wert and i agree with hatch

Benicius - TG
Shinoxia - TG

Both TG's are sent sincerely and OOC.
Best,
Hatch

Communist Louisiana supports Shinoxia in a war on Benicius. We have 2 carriers and 80 MiG-29's on your coast as of now with 5 LA class subs. We also have the 10 of our Tu-95 Citlalmina long range bombers. We would like you to consider using these to your advantage if you wish. Communist Louisiana would also like to become involved in this war for what Benicius has done in the past to our allies.

Benicius has awoken the sleeping giant known as Communist Louisiana!

Negotiations for peace: please refer to II thread "Benician-Shinoxia Peace Summit"

Negotiations for peace: please refer to II thread "Benician-Shinoxia Peace Summit"

time to start packin up the nukes and the grounds crew (review the old thread to get what i'm talkin about)

At 3 am CCT, a cartorian silo fired 15 nukes at benicus's capital city


an hour later 2 nukes were launched at every city on the nation :idea:

At 3 am CCT, a cartorian silo fired 15 nukes at benicus's capital city


an hour later 2 nukes were launched at every city on the nation :idea:

In a related development, Cartoria was ignored by every serious RPer in NS.

in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.

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in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.



well then cartoria will resurect the region (that was dumb from you but ok

in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.

Don't encourage him, Svalvard. All you'll do is prolong the foolishness. :)

in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.

Don't encourage him, Svalvard. All you'll do is prolong the foolishness. :)


yah don't


plus this is ligit i'm ending this before there is peace

OOC:Hey hatch do you still know if wolfish would be looking to settle his score with Snowy lands Of Antarctica ?? I think he'd have some fun with this war!

At 3 am CCT, a cartorian silo fired 15 nukes at benicus's capital city


an hour later 2 nukes were launched at every city on the nation :idea:

IGNORED

in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.

Don't encourage him, Svalvard. All you'll do is prolong the foolishness. :)


yah don't


plus this is ligit i'm ending this before there is peace

OOC:
Cartoria, do you really want me to explain to you why your post fails to meet even the most rudimentary standards of RPing? You and I both know that your post is not "ligit" (sic) and that you're just attempting to disrupt things.

OOC:Hey hatch do you still know if wolfish would be looking to settle his score with Snowy lands Of Antarctica ?? I think he'd have some fun with this war!

Wolfish is my mentor. As such, it would be grossly presumptuous of me to attempt to speak for him.

hey read the other thread i said i withdrew the attacking. i'm busy with another war that i actually take seriously

OOC:Hey hatch do you still know if wolfish would be looking to settle his score with Snowy lands Of Antarctica ?? I think he'd have some fun with this war!

Wolfish is my mentor. As such, it would be grossly presumptuous of me to attempt to speak for him.

he hasn't ever metioned anything bout it while talkin to him but we arn't always in constant commun

well i telegrammed him telling him bout this incase he MIGHT want to get involved. I gave him the link so he could view over it and stuff. The peace Room doesnt seem to be getting anywhere(OOC: just like the last time we saw Snowy Lands in a war peace room never stood a chance)

well i telegrammed him telling him bout this incase he MIGHT want to get involved. I gave him the link so he could view over it and stuff. The peace Room doesnt seem to be getting anywhere(OOC: just like the last time we saw Snowy Lands in a war peace room never stood a chance)

OOC:
I suspect that Shinoxia and Benicius would both be happy to have a way out of this with their IC honor and their OOC reputations relatively intact. I tried to encourage that earlier, in the thread and in private TG's. Both of them look as if they could be smart and well respected RP'ers if given the chance. This thread doesn't do either of them justice.
Just my opinion, which ain't worth much...

Out of Character TAG. I have no interest in RPing this - though I am interested in seeing if the same mistakes are made again.

Out of Character TAG. I have no interest in RPing this - though I am interested in seeing if the same mistakes are made again.

OOC: I'm curious, do you mean from the last thread (i.e the original) or do you mean from a previous RP which died some time ago...

OOC: I think that Benicius should rename the thread and publicly say that the thread was not right. Then I think Shinoxia should drop the war. We all know that this thread isnt even going to turn out to anything because Benicius won't show, everyone has godmoded, and it's just a bad idea. I'll admit to godmodding since all of you say we can't use the 300 billion dollars from the Antarctic military fund. I dont support either side anymore, but if it does come to conflict I will support Shinoxia, just not with military force. Getting tired of being called a godmoder :D .

The Monarch of Terres Francaises hopes that all nations will call a cease fire as negotiations have begun. His Highest Majesty, King Michel IV requests a call for cease fire for a period of 72 hours to permit both sides to meet at the table to discuss this matter.


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118825

Out of Character TAG. I have no interest in RPing this - though I am interested in seeing if the same mistakes are made again.

OOC: I'm curious, do you mean from the last thread (i.e the original) or do you mean from a previous RP which died some time ago...

the disaster that was the Rebeland Conflict

in a Related Event The Snowy Lands of Antarctica sank to the bottom of the ocean after the nukes that were launched seemed to have melted the snow and ice which was the structure of landscaping therefore causeing the citys just to sink as they didnt have any land supporting them.

OOC:Hey hatch do you still know if wolfish would be looking to settle his score with Snowy lands Of Antarctica ?? I think he'd have some fun with this war!

What have they every done in particlular to you, Svalvard? Why do you take it so personally with them? The only thing I can think of is that your still mad about our mistakes that we made in he Rebeland thread and for some reason (even though we have formally apoligized for it, not to mention we were practically new to NS) that offends you. Please explain this to me....

no that snowy lands of antarctica had to deal with one of your guys juts i dunno saying he launched some nukes off and stuff so i just thought id rp the snowy lands sinking but since he decided he didnt want to launch off all those supposed nukes and get ignored that was just my fancy way of saying he was ignored if he continued that. and having wolfish come in is just like you guys having to have your whole region start to come in.

ooc:

You guys need some help in getting a playable RP going. Here are some thoughts - take them or leave them - its up to you.

1. Until you get some practice (and even then its a good idea) agree to having an RP BEFORE you start one. For instance, if I wanted to have a conflict RP with Hatch, I'd telegram him and ask. In fact, we've done that, and it was great if anyone wants to look up the thread.

2. When you get an RP agreed to, you need to also agree to terms. For instance - will regional armies be allowed - or puppets. Is it open or closed? What is the technology level? Both sides should agree to all these matters.

3. General Rule of Thumb: Large, multi-nation RPs are much harder to control and play than limited number RPs. There are some great, multi nation RPs out there - check out the Archive forum - there is some great stuff there.

4. Actually Roleplay. Don't just say "I launched 100 missiles at your ships." Write a story to go with it. That's what RPing is.

Finally - and again this is only a suggestion - sign up at Role Play University. If you want to have fun here, its the best way to learn the skills you need. That's why I started it.

This thread will give you all the info you need to sign up. (And no - you don't need to leave your region).

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110024

Imperial Forces are leaving the region.

Firstly, we believe that the conflict is close to a resolution without fighting.
Secondly, a new act has passed through the Imperial Parliament forbidding Imperial Forces to take part in such conflicts.

no that snowy lands of antarctica had to deal with one of your guys juts i dunno saying he launched some nukes off and stuff so i just thought id rp the snowy lands sinking but since he decided he didnt want to launch off all those supposed nukes and get ignored that was just my fancy way of saying he was ignored if he continued that. and having wolfish come in is just like you guys having to have your whole region start to come in.

Ok you didnt have to include that 'fancy way' in that im supposing it was supposed to be funny in which in this case its not. BTW Cartoria isnt in our region. Our whole region come in? They did that on there own accord.. Shinoxia alone could have defended himself against Benicius in the first place. There is no reason for Wolfish to have to come in to this... this is simply a matter between our region (mainly defending Shinoxia) against Benicius. Nothing more, nothing less.

ooc:

You guys need some help in getting a playable RP going. Here are some thoughts - take them or leave them - its up to you.

1. Until you get some practice (and even then its a good idea) agree to having an RP BEFORE you start one. For instance, if I wanted to have a conflict RP with Hatch, I'd telegram him and ask. In fact, we've done that, and it was great if anyone wants to look up the thread.

2. When you get an RP agreed to, you need to also agree to terms. For instance - will regional armies be allowed - or puppets. Is it open or closed? What is the technology level? Both sides should agree to all these matters.

3. General Rule of Thumb: Large, multi-nation RPs are much harder to control and play than limited number RPs. There are some great, multi nation RPs out there - check out the Archive forum - there is some great stuff there.

4. Actually Roleplay. Don't just say "I launched 100 missiles at your ships." Write a story to go with it. That's what RPing is.

Finally - and again this is only a suggestion - sign up at Role Play University. If you want to have fun here, its the best way to learn the skills you need. That's why I started it.

This thread will give you all the info you need to sign up. (And no - you don't need to leave your region).

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110024

Im not going to say anything against this in that I totally agree... except that I think Benicius should take special attention on this in that it will really help him. I believe in fact that our region wasnt ready for this war and that it occured with little or no warning from Benicius. BTW, according to what you said in the above, I did add great context to and around the events surrounding my missile attack. My only failure in this is my damage allocation of Benicius's ships. Thanks for the RP University offer, but I think once we spend a little more time and let our nations grow and such we will have perfectly adapted to playing NS.

After a sudden seizure General Amundsen III of Antarctica, a diabetic, passed away....he will be missed by all who know him and will be remembered as the man who brought Communism to the Antarctic....General Shackleton has now became leader of Shinoxia

The General Shackleton sat at his desk skimming over the papers that were brought to him and watched as workers put the late General Amundsen's possessions in boxes to be brought to his family.

Three new leaders over the course of one week, this is insaneGeneral Shackleton thought to himself. The men have been joking about their being a curse on the leaders of Shinoxia...maybe thier right..

"General I have news from our Communist comrades."

General Shackleton looked up to see the slim figure of Major Garcia handing him yet another piece of paper,

"They say they will back us up in our war with Benicius, be it military or economically."

The General though how nice it was to have such friends and smiled to himself.

Major Garcia paused as if waiting for General Shackleton to respond, but seeing that he would not get one, swallowed and continued.

"Sir, we may also be recieving help from others in our region. As you have ordered the recommisioning of the ADF is being done and it will be operational in a matter of days."

"Excellent, General Amundsen, God rest his soul, had carriers and transports ready to invade Benicius correct?"

"Yes Sir 5 Nimitiz class carriers and a total of 1,450 Arctic Fox transports have been loaded and ready to go."

"1,450?"

The Major looked at his papers and re-read them.

"Yes Sir"

Shackleton knew Amundsen always liked being prepared and wasn't surprised that he had loaded so many transports.

"How many escort ships, and what types?"

Major Garcia pulled out a piece of paper from his file and read:

"On the Order of the General 5 Amundsen destroyers, 15 Spruence destroyers, 20 Visby corvettes, 5 Weathered torpedo boats, 10 Oliver Hazard frigates, 5 Kosar frigates, 5 Seashadow assault ships, 15 Ticonderoga cruisers, 3 Hellfire heavy cruisers, 5 Iowa class battleships," Major Garcia looked to see if General Shackleton was still listening, which he was, taking a breath he continued "5 Los Angelos attack subs, 5 Seahorse subs, 5 Devil Ray subs, and 5 Seasquid attack subs have been readied by Admiral Kerry.

The General looked excited.

"Very good, tell Colonel Greenwich that he has permission to launch Operation: Penguin."

"Right away Sir."

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
Isaiah 6:8

OOC: The 3rd and 9th Legions have begun to move to Benicius and the transports carrying them will arrive late Friday afternoon (RL).

1 Legion contains:
Legion
168,000 Antarctic Infantry
(skill=average-veteran)
Calico and G-36 assault rifles

112,000 Arctic Partisans
(skill=average-veteran)
Calico and G-36 assault rifles

45,000 Penguins
(skill=elite)
G-36 assault rifles and SAW light machine guns

45,000 Arctic Paratroopers
(skill=elite)
Calico assault rifles

45,000 Artic Force Troopers
G-36 assault rifles and SAW light machine guns
(skill=elite)

Tanks
x150 Artic Wolf tanks
x100 Arctic Tiger tanks
x150 M1A2 Abrams tanks
x150 T-90 tanks
x50 S122 tanks

Light Assault Vehicles, Artillery pieces, and transport vehicles
x50 AMOS mortar systems
x50 CV90 LAVs
x50 AMV LAVs
x50 Pasi-Xa LAVs
x50 Jaguar 2 Tank Destroyers
x100 Marder I A3IFVs
x50 Leflasys Air Defense Systems
x100 Pzh 2000 IFVs
x100 M2001A1 artillery systems
x100 M270A1 rocket launchers
x25 Paladin heavy artillery systems
x50 M119a1 towed howitzers
x50 Grizzly Armored Breachers (mineclearers)
x2,000 Hummvees
x100 Fuch transport panzers APCs
x50 Bradely mobile transports
x25 HET heavy transports
x20 Iron Cheetah LAVs
x100 M61 Ontos II LAVs
x50 LAV-Ass
x50 Mist Lynx IFVs
x100 Arctic Fox LAVs
x100 Desert Fox LAVs
x100 Nova Cat IFVs
x50 Stormcrow
x100 LAV-Ivs
x100 AAVP7A1 LAVs
x50 Avenger LAVs

x250 MI-8 transport choppers
x500 AH-64A/D attack choppers
x250 Super Cobra choppers
x150 Longbow assault choppers
x150 Chinook transport choppers
x50 Orca assault choppers

up

C'mon Benicius reply.

OOC:
You haven't left much of anything for homeland defense by my calculations; sounds like your entire army is on the move. The phrase "ripe for the picking" comes to mind...

Communist Louisiana will began its Scorched Earth Policy(SEP) on Benicius. Communist Louisiana has already has in Shinoxia:
x3 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's
x120 naval MiG-29's
x100 land MiG-29's
x10 Los Angeles Class Submarine's
x3 Mercy Class Hospital Ship's
x10 Tu-95 Citlalmina long range bombers (stationed in Shinoxia)

Units on the way:
x1 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's
x20 naval MiG-29's
x1000 Large, Medium-speed, Roll-on/Roll-off transport Ships (LMSR)
x300 M1A2 Abram's tanks
x3 Katze Class Brown Water Patrol Submarines
x5 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's
x10 Cimarron Class General Cargo Transport's
x750,000 Confederated Communist troops
x1 million AK-47's
x1 million RPG's

Correct Hatch.

Be advised though that the ex-nation of Antarctica123 gave me his storefront and I've made hundreds of billions off that.

Communist Louisiana will began its Scorched Earth Policy(SEP) on Benicius. Communist Louisiana has already has in Shinoxia:
x3 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's
x120 naval MiG-29's
x100 land MiG-29's
x10 Los Angeles Class Submarine's
x3 Mercy Class Hospital Ship's
x10 Tu-95 Citlalmina long range bombers (stationed in Shinoxia)

Units on the way:
x1 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's
x20 naval MiG-29's
x1000 Large, Medium-speed, Roll-on/Roll-off transport Ships (LMSR)
x300 M1A2 Abram's tanks
x3 Katze Class Brown Water Patrol Submarines
x5 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's
x10 Cimarron Class General Cargo Transport's
x750,000 Confederated Communist troops
x1 million AK-47's
x1 million RPG's

sorry double post

I've got 4 Legions Hatch, two attacking and two in reserve.

OOC: I'd get involved right now, but with your enemy not replying i'd don't see the point in it right now....

I've got 4 Legions Hatch, two attacking and two in reserve.

OOC:

Here's my figuring, help me out if I've missed anything...
1 legion equals 168,000 Antarctic Infantry, 112,000 Arctic Partisans, 45,000 Penguins, 45,000 Arctic Paratroopers, 45,000 Artic Force Troopers. That makes 415, 000 fighting forces, yes? Multiplied times 2 equals 830,000 men under arms. Now figure a 3 to 1 ratio of support to fighting forces, that puts you at 3.3 million men committed to this battle. That's a lot of transports with no escort RPed. What's to prevent one single submarine sinking them all?

To: Shinoxian Leadership
From: Central Command, Iuthia Prima, Iuthia
Subject: Not resolved?
Message:

Greatings leaders of Shinoxia,

I have had a few quick communications relayed to me over this situation and I am having trouble with what I'm hearing... I was under the impression that you two had come to an agreement over this issue, however your deployment of a large naval force seems to suggest otherwise...

My analysists are telling me that this force could be the prequisit for an invasion and I'm beging to question the sanity and ethics behind your leadship...

It appears you are willing to go to war over an unfortunate incident, that you are unprepared to talk about it and that you would prefer to kill thousands of innocent people to make a rather small insignificant point.

However, we are growing tired at the ever increasing hostilities around the world over issues which could have been resolved diplomatically... it has been suggested to me that you have been talking this over and were coming close to an agreement... now I see you are invading him (to prove that they shouldn't have threatened you)... I find it most... disapointing.

Should this ecalation increase and should you further advance towards their nation without very attempting diplomacy, we will assume that this is a land grab and declare war.

From what I can tell you are using a substantial amount of your resources on this one, perhaps even stretching your naval capabilities... meanwhile for Iuthia to match your navy, we would only require a fraction of our forces...

May I also remind you, and all nations homing into this transmission (as we are not encoding it) we would like to remind you all that with acception to our assistance in Japann, we have yet to be at war with any nation... we've not even started our assistance in Japann yet so this isn't something we do often...

So what will it be, a war you cannot hope to win, or maybe some further calm and somewhat safe talks between our three nations, personally I would like a chat with everyone on a more personal basis... but if I have to use artillery shells to get the message across, I will.

Thanks for listening, I can only hope you come to your senses.

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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Correct Hatch.

Be advised though that the ex-nation of Antarctica123 gave me his storefront and I've made hundreds of billions off that.

OOC: I would ignore that, as storefronts are not meant to represent a way for you to make unlimited money, it's a way of RPing your nations economy... not a way to cheat more money.

Correct Hatch.

Be advised though that the ex-nation of Antarctica123 gave me his storefront and I've made hundreds of billions off that.

OOC: I would ignore that, as storefronts are not meant to represent a way for you to make unlimited money, it's a way of RPing your nations economy... not a way to cheat more money.

Ditto: Storefronts are considered, at best, to be a break-even proposition. Of course, keeping all that construction going will divert much of your workforce, which will badly degrade your ability to muster a meaningful fighting force, too.

The United Soviets of Socialist Mitteleuropa must concur. We have no love for your opponent, my Communist comrade, but if this can be accomplised through peace, it would be far better for all of us.

In light of this, I propose a summit between the two main nations within this conflict, held on neutral ground. This has become heated far more quickly than any of us could have imagined.
Shinoxia, as a recent ally, I respect your position, as well as what right you may have to attack this... irritation, however I'd like to see a vigorous attempt at peaceful resolution made before any variety of strike is launched.

Please, consider the common man, comrade.

-Premier Nikolai Ivanovich

The Five Civilized Nations once again offers the services of its submarine storefront here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98829&highlight=)

Ooc: Before anyone objects – Wolfish is here by invitation.

Ic: In the Office of the President, James Todler.

Todler sat at his desk while his Chief of Staff paced on the plush carpet. “Umm. Scott. Do you mind?”

“Sorry Sir.”

“So this nation has requested what exactly?”

“Well Sir – they are under threat of attack by the Snowy Antarctic nations – we dealt with them in the Rebeland War….”

“And what about Iuthia?”

“Sir – as you know Iuthia is a respected nation – and they seem to be playing the part of peacekeeper in this matter.

“I see. Very well. Transmit to Benicius our – how should I phrase this – our desire to partake in joint “war games” with them – and that we would like to move 1 million troops, supplies and logistical support to their nation without delay.”

“Very nice Sir. Very nice indeed. And what about Iuthia?”

“Transmit to them on secure frequency our intention – defence of Benicius if necessary – with our preference for peace. Stress that we have already worked to that end with these nations to no avail.”

“Consider it done Sir.”

ooc: for the record the aggressors here should really consider peace, as this is the second time I've had to step in to stop you from bullying a nation that only wanted peace. If I have to defend this nation from Shinoxia et al - it won't end until you are ground under foot and begging for mercy. Just so you know.

Yeah im sure Wolf. Funny... Im not even the attacker here and im being threatened.

Night guys, I'm tired. I would ask you that we don't start any military action (if any) until tomorrow... though I'm not in control of your nation and you can do as you like.

Should you want the go ahead to mobilise some forces, just make sure that it's nothing huge for now, just enough to make it clear that we don't want any fuss. Don't engage unless either you or Benicus are fired upon... in which case I'm sure you will act as you see fit.

Night.

Yeah im sure Wolf. Funny... Im not even the attacker here and im being threatened.

ooc: Sorry - I'll edit. I was wrapped up in the thoughts of Rebeland. Cheers.

Yeah im sure Wolf. Funny... Im not even the attacker here and im being threatened.

I certainly can't speak for Wolfish, but every indication I've seen thus far has been that you're backing Shinoxia. Ergo, I'm assuming that you're a party to this latest madness on his part. If you're not, please let us know before you get inadvertently tarred with the same brush.

Yeah im sure Wolf. Funny... Im not even the attacker here and im being threatened.

I certainly can't speak for Wolfish, but every indication I've seen thus far has been that you're backing Shinoxia. Ergo, I'm assuming that you're a party to this latest madness on his part. If you're not, please let us know before you get inadvertently tarred with the same brush.

And by "tarred with the same brush" he means blown off the surface of the earth until the very earth of your nation smokes - and the blood of your people taints the ocean itself.

The Dr_Twist Goverment has Stated that it will Give Millitary Backing to what ever Action Wolfish and Dr_Twist Officals seems is the Correct Actions to take.

The Dr_Twist Goverment has Stated that it will Give Millitary Backing to what ever Action Wolfish and Dr_Twist Officals seems is the Correct Actions to take.

*tips hat.*

"Sir - as always - you have proven to be a nation ruled by honour and guided by wisdom."

The Dr_Twist Goverment has Stated that it will Give Millitary Backing to what ever Action Wolfish and Dr_Twist Officals seems is the Correct Actions to take.

*tips hat.*

"Sir - as always - you have proven to be a nation ruled by honour and guided by wisdom."

The Tsar of Dr_Twist tanks you for your great words.

I do not wish to be tarred by the same brush or blow off the face of the earth as such i will have no part in this war for either side. dancing mooses position is the same

I do not wish to be tarred by the same brush or blow off the face of the earth as such i will have no part in this war for either side. dancing mooses position is the same

Then no doubt Dancing Moose will declare his allegiances or lack thereof for himself. For now, the Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar will view Dancing Moose as a continuing threat to peace and will act in accordance with that view.

The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar notes with distress the continuing and seemingly ceaseless clarion call for war that has emanated from the Antarctic Regions. It is our fervent prayer that permanent action by the peaceloving peoples of NS are not required to "pacify" the Antarctic regions and their inhabitants.

Edit: no doubt Wolfish can explain the concept of "pacification".

I do not wish to be tarred by the same brush or blow off the face of the earth as such i will have no part in this war for either side. dancing mooses position is the same

Then no doubt Dancing Moose will declare his allegiances or lack thereof for himself. For now, the Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar will view Dancing Moose as a continuing threat to peace and will act in accordance with that view.

The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar notes with distress the continuing and seemingly ceaseless clarion call for war that has emanated from the Antarctic Regions. It is our fervent prayer that permanent action by the peaceloving peoples of NS are not required to "pacify" the Antarctic regions and their inhabitants.

Moose is off for the night so u will have to wait until tomarrow to hear for urself but for now look at are regional message bored doesnt sounds all supportive. as to your threat it is MY fervent hope that you will not prejudice all antartica nations(there are 26) by the acts of oh maybe 6 or 7 should you have to "pacify" antartica regions we request you target these 6 or 7 not the whole region. as for my involvement in seemingly ceaseless declarations of war i aplogize.

Secret IC: President Skyler called his secretary of state all he said was " Kindly in form Hatch and Wolfish of the deal we discussed. the secretary of state knew what he meant. he would inform the countries that Wert could be used as a launching ground for attacks

Edit

Hm... you guys do realise that I started this whole military threat in order to stop war from happening and to promote peace, right?

Well, it was my hope that no nations needed to be "pacified", we only needed enough of a threat to make both nations stop and look at the diplomatic sides of the situation, and I have pointed out more then enough that I do not people to die over this, only for people to talk and work out their differences in a diplomatic civilised manner.

So if we could stick to the matter at hand and not talk about "pacification" and talk about the possibilities of a final end to this thread without a war in either direction.

Thanks for your support, eitherway.

OOC: Everyone, I want to make sure you all know most of Snowy Lands does not support Shinoxia's decision.

IC:

Roberticus IV comes in and sits at his desk ready for the conference to his nation and to any other nation that wants to hear.
"I, ruler of Roberticus, must say that I can not condone the actions of the state I once knew as Shinoxia. He used crude reasoning for the situation, and peace talks seemed to be working, but I don't understand how he could have let them fall apart. I am now a neutral nation in this war, and my ships are now back in my waters. My airforce is not on red alert anymore. I hope this conflict may be worked out in a civilized way."
Roberticus IV sits back in his chair thinking if he has done the right thing...

Hm... you guys do realise that I started this whole military threat in order to stop war from happening and to promote peace, right?

Well, it was my hope that no nations needed to be "pacified", we only needed enough of a threat to make both nations stop and look at the diplomatic sides of the situation, and I have pointed out more then enough that I do not people to die over this, only for people to talk and work out their differences in a diplomatic civilised manner.

So if we could stick to the matter at hand and not talk about "pacification" and talk about the possibilities of a final end to this thread without a war in either direction.

Thanks for your support, eitherway.

We beg the pardon of the great peoples of Iuthia, in that we have apparently misled them with our words. Our use of the term "pacification" in regards to the Antarticans was not intended as sabre-rattling, and to the extent that it appeared so, we do humbly apologize. It is perhaps instructive to note that both Hatchibombitar and Wolfish have felt obliged on several recent occasions to mobilize and deploy forces in order to discourage various and sundry aggressive actions orginating in the Antarctic regions. Hatchibombitar has tried to host peace talks in previous conflicts, and even went so far as to deploy hospital ships to assist aggressor Antarctic nations when they failed to care for their own wounded.

We wish the current conflict to end peacefully. We do not seek, nor have we ever sought, conflict or bloodshed. Our comments were borne out of weariness; weariness of the expense and turmoil caused internationally by the Antarctic nations, and weariness of the expense and turmoil caused domestically when we are obliged to intervene on behalf of the innocent and or the aggrieved.

We hope the great peoples of Iuthia will understand and accept our apology and explanation.

Don't worry about it... I would have done this IC had it not been for this server, this being the third time I'm writing this...

Eitherway, don't worry about it... I'm just tired of pointless wars.

Im am temporarily neutral in this conflict, although I tend to lean more torwards supporting Shinoxia in whatever he choses to do.

OOC: That's it...I've had it with you Wolfish.

For those who don't know Wolfish gets the password to our region and then on our regional message board says that he will watch any conflict we're in. Very immature for someone who is supposed to be a professional. He has told us that he will become involved in our RPs over one BLOODLESS mistake we made?

As of now Wolfish has been IGNORED. This thread has potential to be a good RP and I don't want to see it end out like the Rebeland one, in order to ensure this thread maintains a level of professionalism Wolfish is being ignored.

Svalvard, Hatch, Iuthia, and Benicius have done a great job in making this RP fun and they are more than welcome to continue and if they want may invite more people.

IC: General Shackleton paces his office waiting for news on the invasion of Benicius when General Elliot walks in

"Sir, we've just recieved word that Benicius has met our terms of paying us the money that they owe us as well as taking back their insults."

The General looked confused that Benicius had met his terms so quickly when beforehand they couldn't agree on anything.

"This is the full 10 billion right, not something smaller right?"

"Yes Sir the full 10 billion."

"What does he want in return?"

General Elliot looked Shackleton in the eyes and responded:

"Well, as of yet nothing, they just met our terms."

"Just like that?"

"Just like that."

General Shackelton picked up a picture of a map of Antarctica and looked at his nation on the North West coast.

"In order to ensure peace tell Benicius that we will take no more actions against him and that as long as we aren't attacked we will maintain friendly relations with him."

"As you wish....."

With that General Elliot left the room, as he closed the door behind Shackleton saw Elliot tell an insubordinate something and watched as the man began typing on the computer.

General Shackleton looked at Shinoxia on the map and smiled.

OOC: I'd also like to appologize to Benicius for ignoring his ally. I know he would have been a key player for you but going to our message board and disrespecting our members for something they didn't do is simply unacceptable. I assure you that if Wolfish had been my ally and he had gone to your region and disrespected your members I would have ignored him immediantly. Once again my apologizes....by the way I wasn't sure if the post before this one, which is the same thing, went threw but I wanted to make sure so if it did sorry.

I completely agree. Thank you for pointing that out in here Shin. I will not stand for someone to try and police us like that because of one incident that we have apoligized for.

OOC: As of now Wolfish has been IGNORED. This thread has potential to be a good RP and I don't want to see it end out like the Rebeland one, in order to ensure this thread maintains a level of professionalism Wolfish is being ignored.

OOC: While I would normally protest such action, it's not my problem... normally I would say that you shouldn't ignore someone unless they are god-moding... however, most nations "ignore cannon" people for anoying them so I'll let it slide, it doesn't effect your situation in the least.

Had you ignored me, that would have been a different kettle of fish, because I have legitmate reasons for being involved and everything I've said is well within the guidelines...

Please note that if you don't IC declare your forces moving away from his nation it won't look like your sticking to your word...

IC:

Iuthia would like an official explanation of your actions, seeing as he was willing to pay the 10 billion some time ago, before you deployed forces... while we recognise that you are prepared to accept this once our threat had been administered, we would like to know why it had to go so far that we had to threaten you personally... we ask this so we may evaluate whether or not to lift our trade embargoes of your nation and your allies.

ooc: Shinoxia - you continue to prove that you need to learn how NS works. You can't ignore someone for outplaying you. You can ignore for godmoding or gross violation of game protocol.

You merely want to ignore me because, first, I turned most of your own region against you by breaking your regional password and addressing them directly, and second, by ensuring that you don't continue your bullying of smaller nations.

If you ever want any credibility withdraw your ignore.

W.

Wolf you only turned one newb nation in our region neutral, so your not succeeding in 'turning our region against us'. Also (this is getting very old BTW), we have never bullied any nation except Rebeland, and I have apoligized for it, Shinoxia has apoligized for it, so that is now OUT OF THE PICTURE.
(Oh and BTW, we are ignoring you because you got our regional password from another newb nation [he 'thought it was our old one'] and starting posting ridiculous terms such as how you wish to police us in our future affairs)

Benicius- your terms are falling short of ours, and if the main points of the 'Defense Agreement' were taken out, then this would end and we would all live happily ever after.

I'll have to say Wolf, breaking the password was pretty immature. Just leave it in the forum (isn't that breaking some kind of rule?). I, for one, became neutral because I am tired of this mess. I think Benecius is being unreasonable, and I think Shinoxia is being unreasonable in some ways. It's just getting out of hand. I think we should delete the threads and act like it never happned...again. But it's Shinoxia's call.

In fact it is not against any rule. On the contrary - many nations (region crashers) would have taken the opportunity to move a number of UN nations into your region and take over the position of delegate.

I did no such thing. What I did in-character was to use ever means at my disposal to attack you. This is part of the game - as it would be in real life - prior to a conflict a nation my try to influence the regional politics of an area. That is all I did.

That you choose to ignore me is laughable. But - we all have free will even if it is against NS protocol.

Shinoxia has only just telegramed the Empire and agrees to the Treaty in full except for the abolition of WMD. This is accepted by the provisional government, and the article shall be removed.

Obviously Shinoxia feels the Treaty is fair on the whole. This dispute is finished.

Wolf you only turned one newb nation in our region neutral, so your not succeeding in 'turning our region against us'. Also (this is getting very old BTW), we have never bullied any nation except Rebeland, and I have apoligized for it, Shinoxia has apoligized for it, so that is now OUT OF THE PICTURE.
(Oh and BTW, we are ignoring you because you got our regional password from another newb nation [he 'thought it was our old one'] and starting posting ridiculous terms such as how you wish to police us in our future affairs)

Benicius- your terms are falling short of ours, and if the main points of the 'Defense Agreement' were taken out, then this would end and we would all live happily ever after.

OOC:
You know, DM, you baffle me. One minute I think you're getting it and you're going to turn out to be a player whom we all can admire. The next minute I just shake my head. For example, you're saying that "you only turned one newb nation". On the other hand, on your regional board last night, you yourself couldn't scramble fast enough to distance yourself from Shinoxia, and you tried to take at least 3 other players with you. You weren't the only one either, people were abandoning Shinoxia right and left. (Nice friends you got, Shinoxia, good to know you can count on them...)

I give you full credit, DM, for taking responsibility for your conduct in the Rebeland thread. You not only sent me a classy private TG, you owned up publicly. That was honorable on your part. You say Shinoxia has done the same. I don't recall seeing it. Perhaps you can point me in that direction. To say , however that it is "out of the picture" is not for you to decide. We (you, me, anyone) don't get to decide what our reputations are, others decide based on our behaviors.

So here we are now. Some of the Antarctic nations are again going after a smaller nation. Again, one of the Antarctic nations is walking out of a peace thread, and his allies are following him. The Wolfish nation is built in part around defense of the little guy. My nation is emulating that conduct. Inevitably, we're going to come into contact, possibly we're going to come into conflict. So long as you approach the game the way you do, you're going to have larger nations standing by, watching, waiting for you to slip up. You can view that as a threat, but I don't. I see it as an opportunity for you to rise to the next level; carried there by the respect of your peers in the game.

Both Wolfish and I have given you IC and OOC encouragement; Wolfish has tried to help you to be a better RPer and has even reached out to you to offer you formal classes . His tone has been moderate and respectful. One of his puppets entered your region and told you that you're being watched. You panicked and tried to turn it into a breach of etiquette and an ignore. That strategy has failed.

Roberticus, I agree with you that both Benecius and Shinoxia have been unreasonable. Here's the difference: Beneicius admitted it, came to the bargaining table and is willing to make amends. Shinoxia wants to have it both ways: he wants war, and he wants all the peace dividends. He can have one or the other, not both.

IC: The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar reiterates its committment to the peace process and urges all Antartic nations to abandon their warlike ways.

Shinoxia has only just telegramed the Empire and agrees to the Treaty in full except for the abolition of WMD. This is accepted by the provisional government, and the article shall be removed.

Obviously Shinoxia feels the Treaty is fair on the whole. This dispute is finished.
The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar congratulates both Benicius and Shinoxia on their fortitude in negotiating a peace process that benefits all nations of the world.

Well, I was just wondering Wolf. I wasn't really sure. I kind of see your point and I kind of see Shinoxia's point. It is a good idea, I just don't see why you had to do the region thing, maybe you could have telegrammed each nation? I don't really know though. I wasn't trying to insult you, I just wasnt sure :wink:

Hatch I get what you are saying, here are some things I'd like to say though:

Shinoxia is my friend, but I wouldn't back him in the war because I didn't like the reasons for it. I didn't like Benecius' reasons either. I wasn't abandoning him, I was just becoming neutral. Many others had become neutral too. I know some people were leaving but most of us just decided to stay out of the war, not completely abandon Nox (or that is the impression I get).

DM, As of now I see three nations neutral, not one. But that may just be me.

I'm glad the two nations have ended this war, and maybe we all can become allies together. I'm sure we can work things out with Wolf and I guess things are worked out with you now Hatch.

Hatch I get what you are saying, here are some things I'd like to say though:

Shinoxia is my friend, but I wouldn't back him in the war because I didn't like the reasons for it. I didn't like Benecius' reasons either. I wasn't abandoning him, I was just becoming neutral. Many others had become neutral too. I know some people were leaving but most of us just decided to stay out of the war, not completely abandon Nox (or that is the impression I get).

DM, As of now I see three nations neutral, not one. But that may just be me.

I'm glad the two nations have ended this war, and maybe we all can become allies together. I'm sure we can work things out with Wolf and I guess things are worked out with you now Hatch.

Well, I was just wondering Wolf. I wasn't really sure. I kind of see your point and I kind of see Shinoxia's point. It is a good idea, I just don't see why you had to do the region thing, maybe you could have telegrammed each nation? I don't really know though. I wasn't trying to insult you, I just wasnt sure :wink:

And that is why I invited all you guys to come to Role Play University.

Think of it in real life terms.

Bush is in a fight with Iraq.

Britain is siding with him - but what about the nations surrounding Iraq? What about Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria?

Is Bush going to talk to the leaders of those nations to try to bring them onto his side, or does he ignore them?

I did what any good leader would do given the circumstances. The fact that I gained access to your region is really not the issue - I posted two messages and left causing no harm. Why do you think the others are upset?

Perhaps its because I embarrassed them? Who knows. But I'd do it again.

Hatch I get what you are saying, here are some things I'd like to say though:

Shinoxia is my friend, but I wouldn't back him in the war because I didn't like the reasons for it. I didn't like Benecius' reasons either. I wasn't abandoning him, I was just becoming neutral. Many others had become neutral too. I know some people were leaving but most of us just decided to stay out of the war, not completely abandon Nox (or that is the impression I get).

DM, As of now I see three nations neutral, not one. But that may just be me.

I'm glad the two nations have ended this war, and maybe we all can become allies together. I'm sure we can work things out with Wolf and I guess things are worked out with you now Hatch.

I understand. I am new at this, but I have the idea of the game. I may go check out Roleplay University later, but who knows? Thanks for understanding Wolfish.

at the beginning i thought benicius was being unreasonable and thought he wouldnt budge but my position has slowly changed, i feel shinoxia as gone to far... anyways before i start rambling i want to congradulate benincius and shin. on peace lets move on people

Benicius- your terms are falling short of ours, and if the main points of the 'Defense Agreement' were taken out, then this would end and we would all live happily ever after.

I do beleive the dispute is over, should you wish to enter their territories in an offencive manner I will make sure you limp home...

I wouldn't be in this mess were it not for Shinoxia changing his mind after agreeing to the treaty. So in my mind it's simple, you guys got your cash, now you leave Benicus alone and keep away from his territories, cause if I have to mobilise I will make sure it was worth it.

In my mind, the treaty is complete and you both have what you want... any vessals that are still in his territory without his permission must move now, regardless of what deal has been made, any unit who wish to remain I would like you to declare them and why they haven't moved*.

Lets finish this, I have a war to organise in another region.

* OOC: If you have units remaining there secretly you need to declare this because we could find it... telling us OOC doesn't garantee we will know about them IC, but I will be making searchs IC regardless, so I need to know OOC if there is anything that I could find.

---Official Statement of the Argyri Foreign Office---

We, the people of the Holy Meritocratic Republic of Argyres, congratulate all parties involved on the successful diplomatic efforts that prevented war. Though we had nothing to do with it, we shall take full credit anyway, and wish all a good day


OOC: (all in good fun :P)

Wolf you only turned one newb nation in our region neutral, so your not succeeding in 'turning our region against us'. Also (this is getting very old BTW), we have never bullied any nation except Rebeland, and I have apoligized for it, Shinoxia has apoligized for it, so that is now OUT OF THE PICTURE.
(Oh and BTW, we are ignoring you because you got our regional password from another newb nation [he 'thought it was our old one'] and starting posting ridiculous terms such as how you wish to police us in our future affairs)

Benicius- your terms are falling short of ours, and if the main points of the 'Defense Agreement' were taken out, then this would end and we would all live happily ever after.

OOC:
You know, DM, you baffle me. One minute I think you're getting it and you're going to turn out to be a player whom we all can admire. The next minute I just shake my head. For example, you're saying that "you only turned one newb nation". On the other hand, on your regional board last night, you yourself couldn't scramble fast enough to distance yourself from Shinoxia, and you tried to take at least 3 other players with you. You weren't the only one either, people were abandoning Shinoxia right and left. (Nice friends you got, Shinoxia, good to know you can count on them...)

I give you full credit, DM, for taking responsibility for your conduct in the Rebeland thread. You not only sent me a classy private TG, you owned up publicly. That was honorable on your part. You say Shinoxia has done the same. I don't recall seeing it. Perhaps you can point me in that direction. To say , however that it is "out of the picture" is not for you to decide. We (you, me, anyone) don't get to decide what our reputations are, others decide based on our behaviors.

So here we are now. Some of the Antarctic nations are again going after a smaller nation. Again, one of the Antarctic nations is walking out of a peace thread, and his allies are following him. The Wolfish nation is built in part around defense of the little guy. My nation is emulating that conduct. Inevitably, we're going to come into contact, possibly we're going to come into conflict. So long as you approach the game the way you do, you're going to have larger nations standing by, watching, waiting for you to slip up. You can view that as a threat, but I don't. I see it as an opportunity for you to rise to the next level; carried there by the respect of your peers in the game.

Both Wolfish and I have given you IC and OOC encouragement; Wolfish has tried to help you to be a better RPer and has even reached out to you to offer you formal classes . His tone has been moderate and respectful. One of his puppets entered your region and told you that you're being watched. You panicked and tried to turn it into a breach of etiquette and an ignore. That strategy has failed.

Roberticus, I agree with you that both Benecius and Shinoxia have been unreasonable. Here's the difference: Beneicius admitted it, came to the bargaining table and is willing to make amends. Shinoxia wants to have it both ways: he wants war, and he wants all the peace dividends. He can have one or the other, not both.

IC: The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar reiterates its committment to the peace process and urges all Antartic nations to abandon their warlike ways.

Ok, first of all when I posted in the regional message board I had no idea of what had happened. I thought Shinoxia had already attacked Benicius, and everything went to hell from there. Like I said, Shin can count on his allies. Only like 1 or 2 of our 'new' nations turned neutral.

Thank you for your praise, and Im sure Shinoxia will post enlightening you of his regrettfulness of his actions in the Rebeland Campaign (as I have dubbed it). I am only now saying that I have completely put the Campaign behind us, and, as I urge others to do the same, I will ignore any more remarks to me about it.

I understand what you are saying about us 'coming after a smaller nation', but believe me, it was in hopes that we would not receive further threats from Benicius if the peace talks failed (a event which we at the time belived would occur; as the 'Defense Agreement' was way out of the question). I realize that the post by Benicius must have been made immediatly before you posted this one, so I can tell you now the we will not 'come into conflict'. We will not tolerate someone such as Wolfish, or you for that matter, policing us in all of you future affairs (affairs that our most respectfully and privatly, ours). Therefore I am highly sticking to that fact that any intervention by Wolf or you will immediatly be ignored (I have no idea why you say that strategy has 'failed').


Benicius- your terms are falling short of ours, and if the main points of the 'Defense Agreement' were taken out, then this would end and we would all live happily ever after.

I do beleive the dispute is over, should you wish to enter their territories in an offencive manner I will make sure you limp home...

I wouldn't be in this mess were it not for Shinoxia changing his mind after agreeing to the treaty. So in my mind it's simple, you guys got your cash, now you leave Benicus alone and keep away from his territories, cause if I have to mobilise I will make sure it was worth it.

In my mind, the treaty is complete and you both have what you want... any vessals that are still in his territory without his permission must move now, regardless of what deal has been made, any unit who wish to remain I would like you to declare them and why they haven't moved*.

Lets finish this, I have a war to organise in another region.

* OOC: If you have units remaining there secretly you need to declare this because we could find it... telling us OOC doesn't garantee we will know about them IC, but I will be making searchs IC regardless, so I need to know OOC if there is anything that I could find.

Umm...ok... I had posted that before an agreement had been settled on. And if you will scroll up and look (Im sure you already have, according to the rest of your dialouge in the post, and I have know idea why you said to me what you did, about attacking someone in an offensive manner) a modified form of the Defense Agreement has been reached. I have not threatened anyone in this thread nor do I intend to, so thankfully you will not have to make me 'limp home' (sorry for spoiling your fun).