NationStates Jolt Archive

Today secruity forces rounded up 40,000 communists and put them into 40 specially designed camps. These measures where taken when a warning was given to the government that a communist revolution was in the works. The political prisners will be held indefinitly untill the sources of these rumours have been found.

Communist Likon offers to take these political prisoners into our nation. We suggest this arrangement to be preferable to the barbaric measure of sentencing them to prison camps.

Deal they will be transported in the first ships outer here, commie b*****ds

Today secruity forces rounded up 40,000 communists and put them into 40 specially designed camps. These measures where taken when a warning was given to the government that a communist revolution was in the works. The political prisners will be held indefinitly untill the sources of these rumours have been found.

We condemn these actions not only because we are socialists and take this as an insult to our cause, but, we see any nation that persecutes it's people under "national security" as dishonorable and inhumane. We hereby say that any communist Argyllian who wishes political assylum in our nation may do so. We also implore the government of Argyllia to cease this barbaric practice and attack what it thinks as an problem from an else agressive, more just fashion.

(OOC: Don't call me hypocritical, in NS, most communist nations have extremely good civil and political rights ratings, I will agree however that most RL examples might be different.)

Kilean applauds Argyllia in it's prudent action to insure it's national safety. Communist agitation is a serious threat- Kilean has just spent blood and treasure assisting the African Commonwealth in supressing a revolution- and it's far better to be safe than sorry with this sort of folk.

The Internal Security Directorate would gladly assist you in rooting out the cause (if any) of the rumours.

However, we feel that it is unwise for Argyllia to simply deport these communist agitators. Sending them to a communist nation is just asking for them to be further trained and indoctrinated and then set loose back into your nation. Instead, the error of their ways and the faults (practial and ethical) of communisim should be brought to light.

The Free Land of Mutual Liberty expresses regret that Corporate slavery has taken root in the Borderlands of Argyllia and also extends open arms to our comrades in arms.

Collectives across the land are marking this day as Red Sunday in solidarity with our Argyllian brothers and sisters.

(OOC: RL examples aren't communist, and arguably not even socialist. Communism is a classless, stateless society.)

^ atleast its better then facist

Define Fascisim. I think it was orwell (or some other brit- just who escapes me) that said "in the modern political context, fascisim means nothing other than 'something bad'"- a true statement.

Before it became nazified (and I do belive that nazisim is different from fascisim, just like cuban communisim is different from hardline stalinisim) fascisim was a dynamic and progressive social doctrine, and one that Kilean holds to with pride. We invoke the title "peoples republic" without the least sense of irony. Kilean stands for the PEOPLE, no matter what their class. Be they factory workers or CEO's- they are Kileans first.

We do not accept the class-supremicist doctrine of communisim. Human beings are not worker drones, and exist to do more than be equal and produce. We reject the communist society as souless and materialistic- yes, you heard me. Materialistic.

The end goals of a communist society are material- that is to say, equal distribution of goals, whereas the ideals of kilean (more like late 20's italy than anything else) are the progression of culture and civilization, and the glory and progress of the national community that is kilean.


We are not robots. We are not drones, we are NOT the proletariat. We Kilean. We are a Nation, with a heart and soul, not an oversized factory designed to squeak out the bare minimum.

"Human beings are not worker drones, and exist to do more than be equal and produce. We reject the communist society as souless and materialistic- yes, you heard me. Materialistic."

Shall we examine this statement? Who ever said that human beings must be worker drones. Have you actually studied communism or just watched camp 1950's American McCartney era propoganda videos.
If you are talking about communism, true communism, not that stalinism bs, then you are not talking mindless drones. you are talking about a society where no one can abuse their fellow human beings for money, and their own materialistic comforts.
An example of Capitalist extortion is sweatshops-hello worker drones, who have no choice thanks to people like you.
Maybe communists are materialistic, although i very strongly beg the differ. But at least they havent caused the largest case of mass murder due to famine, disease, and war since humanity began.
Unfortunatley very few capitalists have a heart and soul.

Who ever said I was a capitalist? The nationstates ranking system sadly cannot capture the complex nature of a corporatist/fascist society. (it's a damn shame, too)

And I have a lot of problems with "Ideal" communisim on a philisophical level, but that is outside the scope of this thread.

I have studied communisim, although I suspect you advocate something rather different than the communsim I studied- the one of the Great Leap Forward, the gulag, the NKVD, Beria and Stalin.

I don't want to get overly wordy with debates.

All I have to say is, good going Argyllia. A well-organized communist movement can dupe well-meaning, idealistic people into the service of heartless totalitarian states.

My advice to you is attempt to change the views of the communists and implement some social welfare programs. Upping the police budget helps, too. Using the carrot (social welfare, strong unions) and the stick (efficent secret police, detainment of communist agitators), you can pretty sucessfully defuse any would-be revolution.

" have studied communisim, although I suspect you advocate something rather different than the communsim I studied- the one of the Great Leap Forward, the gulag, the NKVD, Beria and Stalin."

Thats exactly what im condemmning, for they are not Communist systems, in the former USSR, in China, or Vietnam today. By Stalinism, i mean that exact thing. For the USSR, the NKVD, the gulags etc were NOT COMMUNISM. They were weapons of terror created by a false communist Stalin.
If you want to talk about true communism, talk about the work of Che Guevara and Fidel Castro in CUba. for that is the closest this world ever has, or most likely ever will see.

Although I dislike Che quite a bit, I have to say that you are very accurate in identifying what went on in Cuba as the closest thing to "real" communisim that ever happened.

However, let it be noted that Cuban socialisim (however idyllic) was simply viewed as a nice big missile launching platform by their "socialist comrades" in moscow.

OOC: Even though in the Cold war it was weapons aimed at weapons?
so technically the cuban missle defence system would have been just that defence, also the USA is more ready and willing to use Nuclear weapons than the USSR, in fact in history the USSR was frightened at america's use of nuclear weapons, this sparked of the cold war......

Thus Russia panic and build more Nukes.......about 21000 out of 30 000 in the world....

The idea of "weapons pointed at weapons" is silly. Both sides would have killed millions of innocents in their most moderate attacks, and both sides knew it.

The point I wanted to get across is that even a gentle, true-to-roots form of socialisim (Cuba) was just seen as cold-war cannon fodder by the larger "communist" nation of the USSR.