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Due to the collapse of conciliation talks with the United Socialist States of Shinoxia, the Empire of Benicius has called upon the International Court of Justice to settle the matter at hand.

Situation: Shinoxia has been drilling the Antarctic continent for oil. This move is in gross violation of the Antarctic Treaty (1959) and requires international opinion.

Shinoxia must account for its actions. The natural beauty of the Antarctic must be preserved, as stipulated under the Treaty.

Apart from the poll, what should be done about this violation?

Nations of Antarctica have been drilling for oil for a long time, and besides, if it's in my nation I have the right to use it. If you continue to harrass me I'll take it as a declaration of war.

Nations of Antarctica have been drilling for oil for a long time, and besides, if it's in my nation I have the right to use it. If you continue to harrass me I'll take it as a declaration of war.

The International Court of Justice has given permission for the Empire to take military action against Shinoxia unless it closes its drilling facilities and apologises to the international community.

The Empire leads a regional coalition of 910 million people in opposition to Shinoxia's actions. Unless Shinoxia complies, war shall be declared.

At this time, the Benician Kriegsmarine is set to head to sea and await further orders. 3 CVBG's will be sent to Shinoxia if it does not comply.

Drilling the Antarctic is a violation and is not tolerated.

Very unwise of you comrade, you alone I could squash quite easily, and your 910 million regional coalition is easily outgunned by my 4 billion regional coalition, not including outside help...

Your ships should also have a hard time getting in and even if they do, they would face the angry nations of Antarctica and the 10 million men Home Guard Army.

Very unwise of you comrade, you alone I could squash quite easily, and your 910 million regional coalition is easily outgunned by my 4 billion regional coalition, not including outside help...

Your ships should also have a hard time getting in and even if they do, they would face the angry nations of Antarctica and the 10 million men Home Guard Army.

The nation of Shinoxia has my full military support, in case war emerges. And I being temporary Secretary of War for our region, Shinoxia has the full support of our homeguard and all naions in our region.

We the Republic of Wert3813, the Nation to the direct North of Shinoxa, wish to state that Shinoxa has the full support of me and any attack on him will be considered an attack on are great nation. Futhermore, ten fully armed A C subs are positioned at low depths in my waters and to the south in the waters of nation Shinoxa and that any attempt to enter either nations waters will be taken as an act of war and such ships will be fired upon without warning.

Nations of Antarctica have been drilling for oil for a long time, and besides, if it's in my nation I have the right to use it. If you continue to harrass me I'll take it as a declaration of war.

The International Court of Justice has given permission for the Empire to take military action against Shinoxia unless it closes its drilling facilities and apologises to the international community.

The Empire leads a regional coalition of 910 million people in opposition to Shinoxia's actions. Unless Shinoxia complies, war shall be declared.

At this time, the Benician Kriegsmarine is set to head to sea and await further orders. 3 CVBG's will be sent to Shinoxia if it does not comply.

Drilling the Antarctic is a violation and is not tolerated.


I strongly suggest that you stand down immediately. First of all, no 'International Court of Justice' would ever give you permission for military action. Maybe sanctions, but not war. Is that Court something you just made up? I personally have never heard of it, unless its just a court within your nation, thus, the name 'International' should be taken out of it. Many nations drill in the Antarctic, and if you wanna take action against it, make a proposal in the UN or something. This 'war' is futile.

The International Court of Justice has been around since 1959, even before that. It acts as a discipline body for those who would violate the terms of the Antarctic Treaty of 1959. (please read up on this if you do not believe me)

Since Shinoxia is in breach of this treaty, they are subjected to the punishment handed down. Authorisation for war was passed if Shinoxia does not shut down all drilling facilities. Antarctica is a protected continent.

The International Court of Justice has been around since 1959, even before that. It acts as a discipline body for those who would violate the terms of the Antarctic Treaty of 1959. (please read up on this if you do not believe me)

Since Shinoxia is in breach of this treaty, they are subjected to the punishment handed down. Authorisation for war was passed if Shinoxia does not shut down all drilling facilities. Antarctica is a protected continent.

Laws in real life aren't necessarily accepted in NS. You shouldn't force that upon anyone else, it just isn't right. Back down now.

Many nations drill in the Antarctic, and if you wanna take action against it, make a proposal in the UN or something. This 'war' is futile.

Ulan, no nation on Earth is allowed to drill in Antarctica.

The nations that inhabit Antarctica have been drilling it for years. My nation is based in Antarctica so I have the right to drill it for oil.

That treaty dates back to 1959, before any nation inhabited Antarctica. The reason for it was to stop countries from coming in and drilling Antarctica for oil, if a nation inhabited Antarctica at that time they would be free to drill oil.

What is this punishment your speaking of? I outnumber you and your region is less than 1/4th the size of mine.

Also, I had to temporarily shut down drilling oil in light of this and I demand you pay me 10 billion for lost revenues.

Laws in real life aren't necessarily accepted in NS. You shouldn't force that upon anyone else, it just isn't right. Back down now.

Everyone else is using "real life" politics and such so I am as well.

Comrade Benicus, I've been warning you, if you continue to harrass me about this treaty and cause me to lose money I'll have no choice but to stop you from hurting my sales.

Also, I had to temporarily shut down drilling oil in light of this and I demand you pay me 10 billion for lost revenues.

You did not have to shut down drilling, but you did. Benicius is not under obligation to compensate those who broke international law to begin with. We urge you to cease operations forever. Shinoxia is however to be congratulated for taking the first steps in what is a necessary process.

WE INTERUPT THIS BROADCAST TO BRING YOU TO A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE SECRATERY OF THE MILITARY RONALD PAIGE.

Ladies and Gentleman as some news sources have been reporting the nation of Benicius has indeed threatened war with Shonixa, due to the closeness of are nation to Shonixa and are longstanding friendship with that nation we are prepared to fully support that nation. Because of this Prime Minster William Brown has given the order to place all troops on full alert and has began preparing the Republic for war. Furthermore I would like to stress one thing that is that we are hopeful and believe that peace will prevail. This is just a precaution.

I had to shut down making oil because I wasn't sure of what kind of force you had, but now that I know I'm going back to drilling...

I lost 10 billion because of you and I'd like my money back, and no the oil is in my nation and oil drilling provides millions of jobs in Shinoxia and is critical for my economy. I can't shut it down. Because I lost 10 billion there isn't enough money to go around to pay everybody and thousands will have to get new jobs.

However should you pay me back I can make up for the loses.

OOC: The ICJ actually does exist. However, they do not have the power to make military moves - that power is held only by the Security Council. Benicius' threats are empty.

This is a disturbing developement, and the Directorate supports Shinoxia fully in this. However, international situations mounting tension, we cannot commit fully to this situation. However, the nation of Dancing Moose bears the representation of the DEF, and he has our full support, as well as access to our logistical and intelligence resources.

EDIT: I, being a dipshit, put the wrong country.

All comrades, thank you for your support but I doubt he is willing to go to war and be destroyed over something that does not concern him.

I'm still waiting for the 10 billion you owe me, and once I get it I'd like for you to delete this thread....it'll hurt my sales.

You see, Benicius, Shinoxia has some fairly big allies. I highly advise you not to make any sort of attack on Antarctica as Shinoxia and his fellow nations are now under our protection.

Shinoxia will stop drilling Antarctica permanently or will suffer the consequences. You cannot expect to violate international law and get away with it.

The nation of Shinoxia has my full support.
I have a Nimitz Class Carrier posistioned in international waters ready for strike.
I also have 50 Arctic Subsiders ready to fly at command.

Roberticus

Benicius, last warning keep threatening and annoying me and I'll accept it as a declaration of war.

Drilling oil is vital in my society and I don't intend to stop, and no stupid law that was made 60 years ago is going to stop me.

And what are these consequences and not being able to get away with it crap. It's my nation's oil and I have the right to drill out.

Last chance, dont threaten me again!!

Benicius, last warning keep threatening and annoying me and I'll accept it as a declaration of war.

Drilling oil is vital in my society and I don't intend to stop, and no stupid law that was made 60 years ago is going to stop me.

And what are these consequences and not being able to get away with it crap. It's my nation's oil and I have the right to drill out.

Last chance, dont threaten me again!!

Who said anything about threats? It is a promise. Meanwhile, please do declare war on me. All I did was ask politely. The international community will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you declare war. Do not worry, when the time is right I will do what is necessary.

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I have to say I am in this war along side Shinoxia and the rest in our region but I will be mainly a defense force and if need arises that requires WMD's :twisted: , I am willin to help out but other than that I can't do much at the moment because I dont have a strong military force.


"God Save the King" :P :shock:
Dictator of CompleteGenocide

The esteemed (by some) nation of Esamopia is more than willing to bring a resoultion to both sides by inviting representatives of both the potential belligerents to meet in Esamopia City where the Ministers of Justice, Foreign Affairs, and Defense, can conduct an arbitration session.

This will have to be completely voluntary by both sides, however, since Esamopia has no jurisdiction in this conflict.

Both sides can also request that the arbitration, should they choose to take part in it, be either voluntary or binding.

The purpose of this shall then influence world opinion on the following points:

1. Were the belligerents willing to sit down and pursue diplomacy?
2. Do the actions of either country have greater or lesser legitimacy as a result of the arbitration (should it take place)?

We eagerly await your responses.

I dont think you understand the gravity of the situation, Benicius. If you attack Shinoxia, it will be suicide for you. Your mindlessly dashing into overwhelming odds. You must stand down now, your reason for doing this is absolutly pointless. STAND DOWN!!

P.S.- I suggest to allies of mine that you not declare war on Benicius, just peacefully countinue on with your drilling, since peace is the ultimate goal here.

The Rebuplic of Wert3813 wishes to say that is will attend the conference if shinoxa decides to attend if not we will simply continue to support shinoxa and continue to use sonar to scan for oil while ignoring Benicius.

The esteemed (by some) nation of Esamopia is more than willing to bring a resoultion to both sides by inviting representatives of both the potential belligerents to meet in Esamopia City where the Ministers of Justice, Foreign Affairs, and Defense, can conduct an arbitration session.

This will have to be completely voluntary by both sides, however, since Esamopia has no jurisdiction in this conflict.

Both sides can also request that the arbitration, should they choose to take part in it, be either voluntary or binding.

The purpose of this shall then influence world opinion on the following points:

1. Were the belligerents willing to sit down and pursue diplomacy?
2. Do the actions of either country have greater or lesser legitimacy as a result of the arbitration (should it take place)?

We eagerly await your responses.

Sadly, Shinoxia sent a private telegram stating it would ignore calls for conciliation. This is why Benicius has taken seriously to the thread. We are willing to undergo conciliation with Shinoxia and reach a mutual agreement, but Shinoxia simply said it doesn't care. This is why we threaten hostilities.

"Sadly, Shinoxia sent a private telegram stating it would ignore calls for conciliation. This is why Benicius has taken seriously to the thread. We are willing to undergo conciliation with Shinoxia and reach a mutual agreement, but Shinoxia simply said it doesn't care. This is why we threaten hostilities."

Official Esamopian Responce

[i] We are not interested in unsubstantiated proof and evasive answers. Please inform us whether your nation would attend arbitration sessions to resolve this conflict.

We understand that you may be hesitant to accept calls for reconcilliation if there is a flat out refusal by the other belligerent (Shinoxia,) but we have heard nothing from them.

Please indicate to us, clearly, whether your government would be willing to undergo serious arbitration if Shinoxia also agrees.

-Prime Minister of Esamopia

big deal shinoxia has every right not to care this treaty was signed to prevent nations from coming into the artic taking what they want and leaving that isnt what shinoxia is doing he is drilling for oil in his own country

OOC: look most laws do apply from the real world THIS ISNT ONE OF THEM the reason for that is because just because are region is called the snowy lands of antartica shouldnt penalize us this world does carry over to the other world in terms of regions=continents or territories(i just checked my globe and couldnt find clepsydra on it). maybe if nation states produced a map you could have a claim but until then just think of us as being in a cold environment that totally coincidentally has the same name and the south pole

Temporarily stepping in for Shinoxia, ill have to say that why should they want to conciliate with you Benicius? And how would they? You demand one thing and one thing only: for Shinoxia to stop his drilling of oil. You threaten them with war if they dont! Now I can tell you quite confidently that they will not stop drilling, so get on with what you 'promise' to do or pay Shinoxia 10 billion in lost revenue and delete the thread.

"Sadly, Shinoxia sent a private telegram stating it would ignore calls for conciliation. This is why Benicius has taken seriously to the thread. We are willing to undergo conciliation with Shinoxia and reach a mutual agreement, but Shinoxia simply said it doesn't care. This is why we threaten hostilities."

Official Esamopian Responce

[i] We are not interested in unsubstantiated proof and evasive answers. Please inform us whether your nation would attend arbitration sessions to resolve this conflict.

We understand that you may be hesitant to accept calls for reconcilliation if there is a flat out refusal by the other belligerent (Shinoxia,) but we have heard nothing from them.

Please indicate to us, clearly, whether your government would be willing to undergo serious arbitration if Shinoxia also agrees.

-Prime Minister of Esamopia

As we have said time and time again, we offered to talk with Shinoxia, but they refused bluntly. When they are ready to be civil, then yes the Benician government is willing to talk. However, they were adamant last time that they will not talk.

"Sadly, Shinoxia sent a private telegram stating it would ignore calls for conciliation. This is why Benicius has taken seriously to the thread. We are willing to undergo conciliation with Shinoxia and reach a mutual agreement, but Shinoxia simply said it doesn't care. This is why we threaten hostilities."

Official Esamopian Responce

[i] We are not interested in unsubstantiated proof and evasive answers. Please inform us whether your nation would attend arbitration sessions to resolve this conflict.

We understand that you may be hesitant to accept calls for reconcilliation if there is a flat out refusal by the other belligerent (Shinoxia,) but we have heard nothing from them.

Please indicate to us, clearly, whether your government would be willing to undergo serious arbitration if Shinoxia also agrees.

-Prime Minister of Esamopia

As we have said time and time again, we offered to talk with Shinoxia, but they refused bluntly. When they are ready to be civil, then yes the Benician government is willing to talk. However, they were adamant last time that they will not talk.

Although the response was not quite clear, it seems to indicate that your nation is willing to undertake arbitration under the terms already described. We shall await the response of the other belligerent.

Have a nice day!

Meanwhile, the Secretary of the Treasury, Bradley Bingham wishes to express the nation's intentions to buy oil from the Antarctic nations, especially from Shinoxia, if that's all right with them.

OOC:
Take that, Benicius!

Out of curiousity id this same international court Rotovia joined?

Out of curiousity id this same international court Rotovia joined?

I don't know Rotivia if this is the same one. This is the International Court of Justice. Deals with disputes of treaties.

Out of curiousity id this same international court Rotovia joined?

I don't know Rotivia if this is the same one. This is the International Court of Justice. Deals with disputes of treaties.
I ran a search of all your past threads and I cannot find the one where you joined this alleged court, could you clarify this for me?

Out of curiousity id this same international court Rotovia joined?

I don't know Rotivia if this is the same one. This is the International Court of Justice. Deals with disputes of treaties.

No such court exsists in NS, only in RL. Applying RL politics is one thing, RL treaties are another. Back down, he has done nothing wrong according to NS International Law. RL treaties do not apply in NS, and have no place here. You have no basis for your attacks, and the RL International Court doesn't have the power to permit military action anyway. Back down, now.

I will support Shinoxia, if it comes to that. I could crush Benicius in an hour on my own, plus all of these allies of Shinoxia. Benicius, you don't stand a chance, back down before you get your people killed.

(Reactivated May 2003 Nation)

The Empire will not permit Shinoxia to go to war with Benicius. It is unwise to move so quickly to war - critiscism is no warrant for military action, simply a statement that there is no full argument to defend you.

If Shinoxia attacks Benicius, it can expect consequences from many nations.

Benicius is now under the protection of the Empire of Xiang Gang.

ok benicius here is how it looks the following are a list of countries willing to support should it come to military actions

Shinoxa side:

Shinoxa
Cottonmouth
Wert3813
Kaukbstan(and his region of massive countries)
Roberticus
Complete Genicide
Dancing Moose
Horizon Island

Benicius side:

Benicius
Xiang Gang

I didnt included regions but the regions The Snowy Lands of Antractica as well as the ice shelves of antractica support shinoxa and i think beniucius region supports him (there are a few more countries who said you have no power to do what ur doing but they didnt actually clearly say there supporting shinoxa so i didnt include them)

like your odds invading us in a war on our soil?

The nation of Shinoxia, being a fellow socialist nation, has the full support of the Talaaxian Coalition of Nations. We are willing to step in militarily or diplomatically on behalf of our socialist brothers. Any attack on Shinoxia will be considered an attack on the TCN.

OOC: The TCN is only two nations, but their combined population is about 2.9 billion.

The Empire will not permit BENICIUS to go to war with SHINOXIA. It is unwise to move so quickly to war - critiscism is no warrant for military action, simply a statement that there is no full argument to defend you.

If Shinoxia attacks Benicius, it can expect consequences from many nations.

Umm, Im supposing you havent read the whole thread in that all of the military actions Shinoxia and his fellow nations have done is merely for defense. It is your friend Benicius who wishes to attack, and he sent three carriers to their region. I assume that if these carriers enter the Antarctic home waters then Shinoxia will classify that as an act of war. So I corrected what you said above, since Benicius is the attacker here. But I would like you to clarify your position in this war according to the point I just laid out.

P.S.- Benicius you need to do something with those carriers... either recall them or post saying that they are entering Antarctic waters.. Id like to get on with the thread since I believe conciliation will be quite usless with you.

Another threat from Benicius....pitiful.

Xiang Gang, Apparently you haven't seen the threats Benicius has made to me, in one of his first telegrams he told me that his 3 aircraft carriers were moving out to make a strike. I've only acted in self defence.

And I doubt the "entire international community" would want to get involved with something that doesn't concern them. Comrade, I know you mean well by honoring your alliance but he caused me to lose 10 billion when I had to shut down drilling. Losing that kind of money means that there isn't enough money to pay everyone and thousands of people will have to go find new jobs.

Coreworlds, how much oil? :D

Oh, just a small amount, say, 10 million barrels or what can fill an oil tanker, whichever's larger. An escort of destroyers and cruisers will accompany the goods for defense. *Glares menacingly at Benicius*

10 million barrels, I wish I did but I don't have that much laying around. Most people just order 50 barrels, but don't worry the barrels are very large. The most I can sell you at one time is 100 barrels for 1 billion.

OOC: It was a problem with the forum - it was messed up. Now I have re-read. I know this sounds weird, but the second page was missing and names, I really think, were in the wrong place.

The Empire has considered all facts and feels no embarrassment in re-evaluating its position and changing its alliance, withdrawing all support for Benicius whilst apologising for its previous position. If Benicius attacks Sinoxia, it will be considered by the Empire to be an attack on a soverign nation by another which was warranted only by a unilateraly-adopted law, which the High Lord Chief Justice Imperial has decided is not an international law. Furthermore, if Benicius attacks the interests of Sinoxia it will be met with a sizeable force, which the Ministry of National Defence of the Empire of Xiang Gang (Xiang Gang Di Guo Guo Fang Bu) would like to state is:

Shinoxa
Cottonmouth
Wert3813
Kaukbstan (and his region)
Roberticus
Complete Genicide
Dancing Moose
Horizon Island
Xiang Gang (and the Eastern Union)

However, if Sinoxia makes an unprompted attack on Benicius, it will consider this to be warrant for Imperial Forces of Xiang Gang to attack Sinoxia. It hopes that neither scenario will come to be true. Further, it does not withdraw its protection of Benicius, but matches that with the same promise to Sinoxia, and urges all nations to follow suit. Today, military deterrant must prevent war.

10 million barrels, I wish I did but I don't have that much laying around. Most people just order 50 barrels, but don't worry the barrels are very large. The most I can sell you at one time is 100 barrels for 1 billion.

Oh well, that amount is enough for one of our fighter squadrons.
*Money wired*

2 destroyers and a cargo ship will be diverted to pick up the barrels.

Xiang Gang is welcomed to our side of this conflict and I'd also like to point out that it's spelled Shinoxia. :wink:

Xiang Gang we don't want to go to war but if Benicius keeps threatening me and causing me to lose sales while still not paying me the 10 billion he owes me it will come to it.

Coreworlds, order confirmed. I could get the oil to you quicker if you would let me deliver it by plane.

Okay. Send in the plane.

*The captain of the cargo ship curses as his diversion was canceled.*

Lol my apologies to the cargo captain.

If this comes to blows, Shinoxia as a member of the ASDU (Allied Socialist Defence Union) will have Hattia's support. We are willing to pay off the 10 billion USD that Shinoxia lost if it will help prevent conflict.

The Empire of Roberticus has now decided to pull 5 carriers into the waters of Snowy Lands of Antarctica. Once again I have Subsiders ready to strike at the first sign of military conflict with Benecius and his vague and stupid reason to attack Shinoxia. Shinoxia has my full support of infantry units and ground units if it comes to war. I would step down Benecius, you are so vastly outnumbered, you are making a certain suicide for yourself.

Roberticus IV
The Empire of Roberticus

Comrade Hattia, thank you for trying to help but I won't except your money, Benicius owes me 10 billion and I want it from him.

The Republic of Wert3813 wishes to annouce that it has placed five fully armed regiments 4 in our waters as a precaution to the threat of war. one is on the edge...NOT IN beninius' waters, this ship is to allow bombers to get into the air over beninius should he send ships into our or any nations in our regions waters. I wish to stress one more time that any attempt to enter our of any nations waters will result in not only the bombing of those ships but will be met with an air strike imedently...with twenty NS minutes but a soon ground attack to follow.

OOC: i will post exact figures later but for now ill simply say that there one carrier 5 Phantom Class Attack Boats 2 nc battleships 3 lc destroyers 1 nuclear sub and 7 ac battleships. Beninius please annouce where your ships are

My people, small and recently emerged from the stone age, are curious as to the point of this conflict. We have been watching as it slowly spiraled out of control. However, it seems that the essence of the matter is that one nation is interfering in the internal affairs of another nation. I believe that my people are right in sumrising that this is outside the jurisdiction of a petty international court. Indeed, they have brought to my attention that a treaty does not hold for a nation which is not a signed participant. I am afraid that the nation of Benecius is on rather shaky ground legally. My people love war, but only for a cause which I deem just. This cause is pointless, and unworthy of the attention of a tribe far smaller than ours. Far more important issues lie upon the horizon, for instance, the choice of which of my people will be fighting to the death for my amusement today!
I would hope that the nations represented here can rise above their petty differences. Otherwise, my people will descend upon you all in the night and slaughter you with our spears :twisted: ! Well, actually we are planning that anyway, but thats a whole other issue...

North East Antarctica fully supports Shinoxia and his oil drilling. If any hostile acts are made against him, NEA will counter attack the aggressor. All of my nation's military forces will be armed and mobilized within the next NS weeks. If any of Benicius' ships are spotted in Shinoxia's waters...they will be fired upon.

-General Amundsen, North East Antarctica

I have decided to position this fleet in Antarctic waters to repel Benicius's incoming of 3 super-carriers which he has not yet decided the fate of. This is just a defensive precaution, nothing more, nothing less.

My fleet:

4 Nimitz Carriers
7 Iowa Class Battleships
20 Hellfire Heavy Cruisers
20 Ticonderoga Guided Missile Cruisers
40 Amundsen Class destroyers
10 Arsnel Stealth Ships
5 Pegasus Class PT boats

My Air Force:
100 F-22 Sea Raptors
50 F-16SF Super Falcons
50 F-15F Sky Eagles
20 F/A-186 Ground Attack Hornets
100 Arctic Subsiders (Armed with conventional Trident D3 missles and sidewinders with heat-seeking technology)

The following Helicopters are housed on the Amundson Class destroyers:
15 AH-64H Apache Crossbow choppers
20 Tigerlily Assualt Choppers

Also since you failed to provide any sort of convoy protection for the carriers then they are quite obviously unprotected against submarines and the such. They will be going to general quarters in 1 and a half RL hours.

I am sending 3 carrier groups to the antarctic region to protect the drilling operation. These will be 3 ultra-carriers and their large escort party. Each carrier carrys 2 fighter squadrons, one FA18 equiped, one F-22 Advanced Raptor equipped, two strike squadrons, one A-6 Intruder equiped, one f-14 tomcat equiped, along with many support aircraft and helicopter squadrons. Each carrier has an escort that includes modern battleships, frigates, destroyers, subs, patrol vessels, landing ships, and supply ships.

There will also be several large subs with ICBM's in the group.

I request premission to enter and patrol the antarctic region.

Benicius, it would be wise to stand down.

(reactivated may 2003 nation)

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I voted yes, but why are we bringing RL stuff into the game?

OOC: thats just it azby the contient of antartica in RL is not the same contient as it is in NS. if are nation was the very same except it was named the "icy frozen tundra" then this wouldve never happened.

OOC: My fleet, flying the flag of the DEF and the ADF forces, has just breeched Antarctic home waters and general quarters are being sounded. We should be appearing on Allied screens any second now, and we are requesting safe passage to join up with the rest of the Allied fleet.

IC: Fleet Commander Ross stood on the bridge of the DEF Barham, the Iowa Class battleship/flagship of the fleet. He scoffed to himself and thought it strange that the weather in this icy Antarctic climate had been very coorperative with the fleet, and other than one or two minor iceberg collisions (these did nothing to the gigantic battleship), they would make it to the Allied defense fleet in better than expected time. He walked to the radioman and told him to send this message:

TO: Admiral Hammen: DEF Jack Frost/Ticonderoga/: Maintain speed and course heading on intercepting course to Allied Fleet--Report any unidentified radar contacts immediatly upon sighting--Be on look out for 3 unprotected CVBG super-carriers--if spotted in home waters; permission to fire upon:/ Copy to Fleet/ OVER

The Government of Exonerate reminds Benicius that the International Court of Justice does not have juristiction over the UN's military forces. Furthermore, Shinoxia is drilling within his own borders - his soverign right.

We urge Benicius to standdown, and avoid what would certainly be a very damaging conflict.

Fleet Commander Ross,

As im sure you will soon see there are four massive groups of ship on your radar all belong the the Republic of Wert3813. Farther more im sending 3 subs and 3 phatom class boats to escort you through are waters to those of shinoxia.

The Republic of Wert3813

Comrade, I've told you time and time again that I won't stop drilling and yes I will go to war if you don't stop bothering me and pay me the 10 billion I lost in revenues.

General Amundsen III
Antarctica Defence Force

If Shinoxia continues to make private threats such as this telegram sent to the Empire 6 hours ago, allies who have not posted here shall be called upon. Appearances are deceiving Shinoxia.

No money will be paid to any nation which illegally drills a protected region and we are well within our rights to do so. Continue your unwarranted naval buildup and it is you who will suffer - financially you cannot maintain this mammoth naval shield and publically no doubts your people will question your motives when nothing has happened.

Meanwhile, you stopped drilling for a day. The most oil you could have produced is 1 million barrels with your current state, equating to $50 million in export sales. $10 billion merely shows your immaturity.

Continue to defend against an unseen enemy for as long as you will. The Empire shall decide on your fate in the meantime.

Heil Benicius!
Office of the First Sea Lord,
Empire of Benicius.

Fleet Commander Ross,

As im sure you will soon see there are four massive groups of ship on your radar all belong the the Republic of Wert3813. Farther more im sending 3 subs and 3 phatom class boats to escort you through are waters to those of shinoxia.

The Republic of Wert3813

The Republic of Wert is only a small nation of 18 million people. Your claims that you have four massive groups of ships and 3 subs and 3 phatom class boats going to Antarctica is simply not feasible for your nation, unless you have stretched yourself too far and this represents your entire fleet.

Please, in future be realistic.

Fleet Commander Ross,

As im sure you will soon see there are four massive groups of ship on your radar all belong the the Republic of Wert3813. Farther more im sending 3 subs and 3 phatom class boats to escort you through are waters to those of shinoxia.

The Republic of Wert3813

The Republic of Wert is only a small nation of 18 million people. Your claims that you have four massive groups of ships and 3 subs and 3 phatom class boats going to Antarctica is simply not feasible for your nation, unless you have stretched yourself too far and this represents your entire fleet.

Please, in future be realistic.

OOC: antartica nations, im getting tired of explaing were my 300billion came from anyway want to tell this guy y im not godmoding

Im sorry to inform you that that 'mammoth naval shield' isnt just Shinoxia's forces, it represents all of Shinoxia's allies forces as well as mine. I also cannot believe that you still think you can 'deal with us' as the odds are countinually stacked against you. Your unseen friends are most likely your little regional nations, who probably dont even want to help you. Im assuming that because none of the nations who have posted in here want to help you, your reason for this war is pointless, and even your 'International Community' guys even said that you do not no what your talking about.

Also, what of your 3 carriers? You failed to mention anything about them, and I assure you, as soon as they appear on radar, I find it completely necessary to sink your ships. Oh well. 3 super-carriers down the drain.

Please, in the future, RP a little better. Then youll make perfect sense!

benicius where are your ships?

Although we have no military might to add to your defense, the United Terres Francaises Lands pledges their support to the soveriegn rights of Shinoxia. In the event of war, the Terresian people will pledge all humanitarian might to the Shinoxian government.

In the hope to save this region from war, we beg the agressor nation of Benicius to withdrawl all forces, and come to the peace table to avoid disaster.

I now have the vast majority of my airforce on red alert.

It consists of:
425 F-16 Fighting Falcons
50 Arctic Subsiders

Again, notice this is only a percentage of my airforce.
Any attack against an allied country will result in the activation of this fleet.

I now have the vast majority of my airforce on red alert.

It consists of:
425 F-16 Fighting Falcons
50 Arctic Subsiders

Again, notice this is only a percentage of my airforce.
Any attack against an allied country will result in the activation of this fleet.

Thank you for your support, Terres Francaises. It is very noble of you to commit support against this mindless aggressor. However, I think Benicius is incapable of peace talks in that he foolishly persists that Shinoxia stop his drilling of oil (a matter, in fact, which shouldnt concern him). If he withdraws his forces, give up the whole stopping-of-oil-driling thing, and apoligises, then there will be peace.

Benicius, no offence, but your an idiot. I'm serious comrade, I could post all of the telgrams you've sent threatening me and I've yet to send you one that I haven't already posted.

You keep saying that you'll decide my fate, but I'm larger and have a better economy, civil rights, and political freedoms than you. I could wipe you out quite easily.

What allies are these your talking about? I don't see them anywhere? The only ally you had just switched to my side. And these aren't my only allies. I have the might of my region and the support of the communist nations.

Also, Wert maybe small but he has a better economy than you too, no offence but your weak. 3 subs and 3 patrol boats isn't his entire fleet. He has a well-built nation and can afford alot of things, plus me giving him 50% discounts on everything doesn't hurt either.

Roberticus(and all allied nations) you have permission to use my air space and air bases.
All Allied nations, you have permission transport ships through my water as well as station them there and use my ports and in case of emergenies land aircraft on my ships.

benicius please identify were ur ships are

I now have the vast majority of my airforce on red alert.

It consists of:
425 F-16 Fighting Falcons
50 Arctic Subsiders

Again, notice this is only a percentage of my airforce.
Any attack against an allied country will result in the activation of this fleet.

Stop godmoding, you only have 20 million people! Same for Wert, neither of you have the population size or ability to possess so much.

You can deny it all you want, but you are godmoing. Be realistic.

As for the whereabouts of the 3 Benician CVBG's, that is not information you will know. Please learn about military strategy before posting ridiculous messages. Only a fool would tell their enemy where their ships are.

We offered to have talks with Shinoxia, but they blatantly refused. There is little we can do, except go to war if they persist in threatening our nation. If you attack Benicius, you shall be in the wrong.

gah are you too bored to do anything better with your time...... you are coming up with the dumbest rp

ok benicius this story is get old telling but i will say it one more time, at one point and time are region had 50 countries it was decided that are region was to big and that we were going to split into two regions as such we decided to split up the equipment(ships helicopters etc.) and disband the ADF(artic defense force) AND at this time it was decided that the 15 trillion dollar budget would be split equailly among the nations(to spare you the math it comes to 300 billion) this is how i was able to buy my supplies and i assume it is the same with roberticus. as for the were abouts of ur ships if u dont clarify wheather or not ur ships r in antartica waters then i get to RP it either way i want.

ok benicius this story is get old telling but i will say it one more time, at one point and time are region had 50 countries it was decided that are region was to big and that we were going to split into two regions as such we decided to split up the equipment(ships helicopters etc.) and disband the ADF(artic defense force) AND at this time it was decided that the 15 trillion dollar budget would be split equailly among the nations(to spare you the math it comes to 300 billion) this is how i was able to buy my supplies and i assume it is the same with roberticus. as for the were abouts of ur ships if u dont clarify wheather or not ur ships r in antartica waters then i get to RP it either way i want.

gah are you too bored to do anything better with your time...... you are coming up with the dumbest rp

I now have the vast majority of my airforce on red alert.

It consists of:
425 F-16 Fighting Falcons
50 Arctic Subsiders

Again, notice this is only a percentage of my airforce.
Any attack against an allied country will result in the activation of this fleet.

Stop godmoding, you only have 20 million people! Same for Wert, neither of you have the population size or ability to possess so much.

You can deny it all you want, but you are godmoing. Be realistic.

As for the whereabouts of the 3 Benician CVBG's, that is not information you will know. Please learn about military strategy before posting ridiculous messages. Only a fool would tell their enemy where their ships are.

We offered to have talks with Shinoxia, but they blatantly refused. There is little we can do, except go to war if they persist in threatening our nation. If you attack Benicius, you shall be in the wrong.

You can hide your ships all you want, but if they appear on our screens then we WILL open fire. Military strategy! What would you know! You send 3 very nice carriers to certain death, putting just them up against an entire nation! Even so without transports, a convoy system, or any kind of protection at all. You nothing of military strategy. Like I said before, you are incompatable with talks in that you demand ONE thing and ONE thing only... that Shinoxia stop oil-drilling which is a matter that first of all, is none of your concern, and is something that he will always have the right to and continue to do! Now im not one to insult, but you must really be very stupid, all we have done is made the proper precautions against your aircraft carriers and that YOU are the attacker. No one here will support you. No one here understands your stupid reasons for this war. You say you promise to punish us, yet you hide your attack force. Hopefully this post will actually get to you, because, well you completely disregard any other post we make. I cant believe you think we are the attacker here.

The Most Serene Republic of Budhitsu humbly offers aid to Benicius in the form of 500 Buddhist monks to pray over their dead. It would extend the offer to both sides of this conflict, but thinks it will be unnecessary to do so.

Benicious, do you not understand? I have 300 billion dollar budget because of the sharing of the regions budget. 5% of my population is somewhere around 800,000 and if it takes 2 people to pilot each plane then I have more than enough men to man them. DO the math before making stupid comments. Well it might be hard, you did start this stupid thread.

First: The International Court of Justice is one of the six organs of the UN. (IRL) They cannot be adressed to solve a dispute unless both parties agree, so our little friend is a pathological liar.

Second: Although our numbers are few, our competence on the field is great, and our Principality is eager to fight aloneside Shinoxia.

Benicious, do you not understand? I have 300 billion dollar budget because of the sharing of the regions budget. 5% of my population is somewhere around 800,000 and if it takes 2 people to pilot each plane then I have more than enough men to man them. DO the math before making stupid comments. Well it might be hard, you did start this stupid thread.

Where is the proof of this "region sharing"? You have provided no link. Your claims are therefore unsubstantiated and void. Meanwhile, this $300 billion was a one off and you would not be able to maintain what you have under your current population and economy.

Shinoxia was asked politely at first and they threatened war instead. We are acting in self defence against Shinoxia's aggression.

Benicious, do you not understand? I have 300 billion dollar budget because of the sharing of the regions budget. 5% of my population is somewhere around 800,000 and if it takes 2 people to pilot each plane then I have more than enough men to man them. DO the math before making stupid comments. Well it might be hard, you did start this stupid thread.

Where is the proof of this "region sharing"? You have provided no link. Your claims are therefore unsubstantiated and void. Meanwhile, this $300 billion was a one off and you would not be able to maintain what you have under your current population and economy.

Shinoxia was asked politely at first and they threatened war instead. We are acting in self defence against Shinoxia's aggression.

My God you are the biggest dumbass! YOU are the one threatening US with war! WE are acting in self defence against YOUR aggression! This is so ridiculous.. you start this stupid war, and then hide your forces! Even if Roberticus and Wert's Naval forces were removed from this defensive force, my forces ALONE could easily crush you. Not to mention Shinoxia's and all of the communist nations forces. PLEASE come back with something that makes the least bit of sense for once.

I almost forgot:
My aerial fightercraft will be needing fuel, Shinoxia. I'll pay for the oil in gold boolian. I have enough fuel, but I'm trying to help you the way Coreworlds did earlier.

As for Benicius: :P

Admiral Skyler Clinton of the Wert3813 AC submarine RW20.4 to All Allied Ships:
All Allied frequencies

Allies and Antartica Nations, one of the nations of Benicius' carriers has entered the waters of Shinoxia as the position of Wert is to take this as an act of war I am firing on this ship. This is the only ship appearing on my radar in Antartica Waters at this time so i will only be firing upon this one unless those other two carriers fire upon me. All Allied Ships please send converge on this position with whatever the hell you got. the coordinates of the ship are 135 degrees 5 hours and 23 minutes west
73 degrees 3 hours and 54 minutes south.

I am firing 10 tomahawk missles.

MESSAGE SENT ON ALL ALLIED FREQUENCIES.

The Admiral took a deep breath.

"Ensign fire the torpedoes in cannons one and two"

"Aye Captain, the torpedoes are away i repeat torpedoes away!"

Admiral Skyler Clinton of the Wert3813 AC submarine RW20.4 to All Allied Ships:
All Allied frequencies

Allies and Antartica Nations, one of the nations of Benicius' carriers has entered the waters of Shinoxia as the position of Wert is to take this as an act of war I am firing on this ship. This is the only ship appearing on my radar at this time so i will only be firing upon those ships if they fire upon me. All Allied Ships please send converge on this position with whatever the hell you got. the coordinates of the ship are 135 degrees 5 hours and 23 minutes west
73 degrees 3 hours and 54 minutes south.

I am firing 10 tomahawk missles.

MESSAGE SENT ON ALL ALLIED FREQUENCIES.

The Admiral took a deep breath.

"Ensign fire the torpedoes in cannons one and two"

"Aye Captain, the torpedoes are away i repeat torpedoes away!"

Godmoding again! This claim is unsubstantiated as no carrier is anywhere near you. Please stop making things up. Liers never prosper.

ooc: there is not link because it took place in are region message bored we didnt think we would have to defend it to ppl like you however here is the post:

the military equipment to be sent to EACH nation from the temporarily
disbanded ADF: Please don’t post unless its serious because I want all
to
see this:

Army Equipment:
2,000 Arctic Wolf tanks (can be bought from Dancing Moose for 500,000)
20 Arctic Tiger heavy tanks (can be bought from Cottonmouth for 1.5
million)
10 M1A2 Abrams
40 Longbow assault choppers
30 Orca assault choppers (can be bought from Fangar for 2 million)

17 Tigerlily assault choppers
40 Chinook transport choppers
160 Humvees
60 Avenger LAVs
400 Javelin anti-tank weapons
20 Bradley Mobile transports
10 HET heavy transports
10 M119a1 towed howitzers
5 Paladin heavy artillery pieces

Air Force equipment

20 MiG-29s
30 Arctic Hares (can be purchased from me for 10 million)
20 F-16s
10 F-18s
2 F-117A Nighthawks
2 B-2 bombers
6 A-10 ground support planes
3 Harrier GR7s
3 Jaguar GR4s
3 Tornado GR4s
5 Su-33s
5 Su-34s
1 DD1A stealth bomber

Sour patch kids is working on a stealth bomber he'll post when its
done.
PLEASE PLEASE don’t post unless its important so all can see my posts.
The
ADF's Navy has been sent to the Home Guard, you’ll have to buy your own
ships. 4,000 Arctic Fox transports will also be sent to you as the
final
gift from the ADF.

The Principality of Shinoxia Also, the ADF had about 15 trillion in its
military spending so Dancing Moose, the Secretary of War, decided to
give everyone 300 BILLION EACH.

Don’t spend it all in one place..

but if it will appease u half(two) of my carriers can just fall off the face of the earth

approximately 65 minutes ago Benicius joined a region of 134 nations. Further investigation revealed his previous region had 11 nations after Benicius left. He is trying to look intimidating by hiding behind strangers and abandoning his feeble former allies. Further investigation into his ex-neighbor's military strength will insue.

no see if u dont tell me where ur carriers are then its not godmoding...thats y u have to say where ur carriers are otherwise u get to make it up and thats godmoding. u see i cant send survanence plans(and it wouldnt take a few plans very long to find three massive carriers) to look for ur carriers because of the fact that they would never find them cause u can just say nope there not there and that im making it up

Wert, as you cannot support your claim what you have said never happened and therefore you should downsize your forces. Be realistic please!

Wert, as you cannot support your claim what you have said never happened and therefore you should downsize your forces. Be realistic please!

"You never saw my imaginary ship, your army shrinks!"

I think this country must have legalized marijuana or something if he's saying stuff like this...

As for my investigation of Benicius's TRUE region, it has the total military strength of the IRL Middle East, minus the ficticious WoMD.

The Exoneratian surveilance satelites just happened to pass over Antarctica, and flashes caught the operator's eye.
"Engagement in Antarctica! We have detected missiles moving - possibly cruise missiles. More information coming in... The ships firing have been identified as Wert3813's ships, probably Ticonderoga Class Crusiers."
"Wire it to the top, he's already taken an interest in this situation."

Two minutes later, the Enlightened Despot of Exonerate issued a public statement.

"We urge the nation of Wert3813 to standdown. Bernicius has not fired yet, or made any aggressive actions. The use of weapons may lead to a degredation in relations, and possibly an all-out war - something I'm sure all nations wish to avoid."

"We have deployed a couple of our ships to the immediate area as mediators. That mean we are not allied with either side of the conflict - we are there to observe and discourage aggressive action."

Confidential Internal Communications to SSN-Hunter-Killer, SSN Silent Chase, and SSN Dusk
[code:1:84fd8abcbd]REDPLOYMNT TO ANTARTICA STOP ACT AS MEDIATOR OBSRV ONLY EVAD IF FIRD UPON STOP MAK PRESENC KNWN BUT STAY IN SILNT MODE STOP UPDAT WIT NU EVNTS STOP ADDITINAL SHPS INCMING END
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Edit: Double Post.

OOC: In his defense, it's entirely possible he's lying about your approaching ships an attempt to start a war :P

I'd be giving Exonerate the fifth degree if this mistake hadn't happened before on this topic. I'm going to sumaarize the situation for you so you understand what is going on:

Benicius demanded Shinoxia cease drilling oil in Shinoxia's boundries because an IRL law that does not apply in NS makes it illegal due to the location. Shinoxia's allies rallied support, Benicius threatened to take military action while slipping from the tiny region he normal is part of to a large region were he is a complete unknown. Benicius refused to say where his attack fleet of three ships was to prevent an RP where he wasn't disadvantaged, and his ships were attacked in non-moding manners. He accused of godmoding, and that is where we stand now.

Does that clear things up for you?

Exonerate,

we cannot stand down. we have said that this would be considered an act of war against are republic we will continue to bomb

I know what's going on, I read the posts.

Even if the law does not exist IRL, Benicius can still attack if he wishes (At great personal risk of course...)

IC: RED ALERT! RED ALERT! The light in the control room aboard the DEF Barham automatically turned a dark red and Fleet Commander Ross ran into to the room barking orders.

20 minutes before: Commander Ross gazed off into the dark as he stood on the deck. Nothing had happened. Headquaters relayed only that they had 'delay in information'. He turned and walked back through the control room door and shivered as the temperature changed suddenly from very cold to cold. He announced to the night watch that he was on his rounds... and as he was walking through the door to the main hallway radar ensign Burns leapt from his seat and ran out the control room door. He intercepted Ross in the hallway, and flashed radar coordinate papers in his face. He announced: Commander Ross, we have established a significant radar contact at 0-1-0. Ross gasped. Two unidentified ships. Seemed like battleships, but Ross had no doubt that these were two of the three missing carriers. Almost instantly, radio reports started coming in from the Allied forces saying that Wert naval forces had fired upon a 'super-carrier of tremendous size'. Ross immediately rushed to the Control Room and was immediatly informed by the gunnery officer that a significant radar lock had been achieved on the leading carrier. Radio reports indicated that the 4 Nimitz carriers were scrambling the fighter jets and bombers to take off. Ross ordered conventional warning shots be fired. The gunnery officer shouted again the lock on the leading carrier and upon him saying this Ross took attention. He gazed at the screens for what seemed like a lifetime and then gave the order: Alright, open fire. The gunnery officer nodded his head and selected the missle choice. 6 RGM-84 Harpoon Surface-to Surface anti-ship Missiles were to be fired, and upon pressing the button, the conventional sound the men had heard in training of a semi-loud whoosh was heard around the quarter-deck. Missile exhaust covered the ship in a cloud of smoke. Gunnery Officer to Ross: Missiles away, sir. Ross just sighed, glad that all of that pressure was released with the missles.

For the next 10 minutes radio reports from the Nimitz carriers constantly came in announcing that 20 Arctic Subsiders and 30 fighters had successfully taken off and were heading to the target.

Post your losses Benicius.

Admiral Skyler Clinton of the Wert3813 AC submarine RW20.4 "Ensign, fire torpedoes in cannons 3 and 4 and reload all cannons."

"Aye Sir" Responded the Ensign.

OOC: notice i didnt declare the fate of the first two torpedoes because that is considered godmoding

Admiral Skyler Clinton of the Wert3813 AC submarine RW20.4 "Ensign, fire torpedoes in cannons 3 and 4 and reload all cannons."

"Aye Sir" Responded the Ensign.

OOC: notice i didnt declare the fate of the first two torpedoes because that is considered godmoding

please note that 10 f-16's armed with tomahawk cruise missles are now heading the coorinates given by admiral clinton. they will fire at will please post loses benicius

Admiral Skyler Clinton of the Wert3813 AC submarine RW20.4 to All Allied Ships:
All Allied frequencies

Allies and Antartica Nations, one of the nations of Benicius' carriers has entered the waters of Shinoxia as the position of Wert is to take this as an act of war I am firing on this ship. This is the only ship appearing on my radar at this time so i will only be firing upon those ships if they fire upon me. All Allied Ships please send converge on this position with whatever the hell you got. the coordinates of the ship are 135 degrees 5 hours and 23 minutes west
73 degrees 3 hours and 54 minutes south.

I am firing 10 tomahawk missles.

MESSAGE SENT ON ALL ALLIED FREQUENCIES.

The Admiral took a deep breath.

"Ensign fire the torpedoes in cannons one and two"

"Aye Captain, the torpedoes are away i repeat torpedoes away!"

Godmoding again! This claim is unsubstantiated as no carrier is anywhere near you. Please stop making things up. Liers never prosper.

Just pointing out your stupidity, this whole game is about making things up. And since you satisfied yourself in saying that the location of your carriers is unknown to us, that is a perfect setup for them to appear out of no where.

A fifteen ship squad of light aerial skirmishers flew over the antarctic waters. The squadron leader opened up his radio to contact the nearest mobile headquarters.
"HQ, this is Clot Squad Omnicron, we have spotted a Benici naval vessel. Several Wertian missiles and torpedoes are already en route to target. Requesting orders."
"HQ here. Omnicron, transmit coordinates so squadrons Pi and Rho can provide support. In the meantime, shoot down whatever the Benici ship responds with."
"Roger that."

(whats his name the auther of this post) has no jurisdiction over the country of Shinoxia so this pathetic excuse for a trial shall end NOW!


(i'm trying to kill the post now before i become agrivated to the point of war [i have a few puppets bigger than you too so don't try me pal])

(whats his name the auther of this post) has no jurisdiction over the country of Shinoxia so this pathetic excuse for a trial shall end NOW!


(i'm trying to kill the post now before i become agrivated to the point of war [i have a few puppets bigger than you too so don't try me pal])

This one ain't bluffing either! Cartoria is twice the size of Benicius, and is a UN Delegate. I think 'Benny' should turn around go do some research on the fine art of diplomacy.

(whats his name the auther of this post) has no jurisdiction over the country of Shinoxia so this pathetic excuse for a trial shall end NOW!


(i'm trying to kill the post now before i become agrivated to the point of war [i have a few puppets bigger than you too so don't try me pal])

sorry Cartoria enough of us are agrivated that it weve got war feel free to join in OR u may get ur wish cause benicius appears to be playing the ignore bomb like a coward

This is not the time for chaos, but a time for peace. Please, hear Shinoxia out. If it did violate an elaborate treaty, perhaps you could supply quantifiable evidence.

The 3 CVBG's are nowhere near you so you must have fired upon your allies. Perhaps in future you will be more careful. In the meantime, what is with these accusations of "super carriers"? I have not even posted their specs.

This is godmoding at its worst. You cannot fire upon my carriers when you do not know where they are. Meanwhile, you lack knowledge of the term CVBG and how aircraft carriers are deployed. An aircraft carrier is accompanied by approx 13 vessels, including subs, destroyers, frigates and a refueling tanker.

The Empire of Benicius regrets that you are fighting your own allies, truely sad. However a decision has yet to be reached regarding what will be done regarding Shinoxia's unfounded aggression against Benicius.

(whats his name the auther of this post) has no jurisdiction over the country of Shinoxia so this pathetic excuse for a trial shall end NOW!


(i'm trying to kill the post now before i become agrivated to the point of war [i have a few puppets bigger than you too so don't try me pal])

This one ain't bluffing either! Cartoria is twice the size of Benicius, and is a UN Delegate. I think 'Benny' should turn around go do some research on the fine art of diplomacy.

ooc: Damn straight i aint bluffin ( improper grammer i know but falk it). i gonna whipe him off the face of the planet if i have to just to shut him up bout yellin at my allies. i'll haul out my puppet kipara to help with the antimatter dropping.


this POS wants to try crap with me i'll be selling his entire annexed land for 5 cents. and i'm not kiddin i'll make his entire country into a golf course made from ash

"HQ, this is Omnicron again. The Benici vessel seems to be nonresponsive to the attacks."
"Roger that, Omnicron. Pi and Rho are en route. Sigma, Tau, Umnicron, and Phi squadrons is preparing for an attack run on Benici territory if the conflict escalates. If the ship you're targeting sinks, you are to attack the city at these coordinates, aiming for military facilities."
"See you boys there. This boat ain't gonna last long."

IC: DEF Barham: 15 minutes after the bomber/fighters had taken off light explosions were heard in the distance. 5 minutes later Commander Ross was informed that the leading Nimitz carrier had recieved a radio transmission from veterin pilot Howard Wiles, flying the lead bomber.

Transmission Read:
COPY:/0700 hours/: Selected Sidewinder missiles released and found target; Reporting lead carrier shrouded by smoke and appearing heavily damaged from ship-based missiles-- possibly sinking by stern-- but assured flight ops are out for it--Half Payload of Sidewinder missile have been released from each plane upon the 2nd carrier--Returning home--OVER

Ross, with a relieving and calmed sensation about him, announced to the Control Room that Phase 1 of finding and destoying hidden enemy carriers was an apparent sucess...

OOC: Ill leave the ultimate fate of your carriers up to you, Benicius, as stated by the Rules of RPing. But just so you know, this was bound to happen.

see benicius u just godmoded in two ways the first is u declared i attacked my own ships. the second is u wont say where ur vessels are, u prove there not there, see if u gave us a location then i wouldve been godmoding to say it was elsewhere. and a third way is u have to say that ur carriers were escorted by those ships/subs it isnt assumed?

cartoria...how bout u wipe benicius' home territory(oh wait thats pointless ud be godmoding somehow) off the map...and if u do would u please make sure to have plent of doglegs left i have a bad hook

Revolutionary Army of Shinoxia HQ
Kenoko, Shinoxia

The newly appointed leader of Shinoxia, General Amundsen III, gazed dumbfounded at the RAS's HQ, the Fox Den. The room was filled with computers, the smell of coffee, and workers running back and forth from computers, carrying papers. He looked with wonder at the flag of Shinoxia on the wall, and then watched as the flag disappeared and an electronic map filled the wall.

He would have to get used to things, he thought then looked over the map that was presented to him.

"Sir, we've recieved news that one of Benicius's aircraft carriers entered Antarctic waters."

The General had known that this would come but waited anxiously for the rest of the report.

"Wert1386 identified it as a threat and fired upon it with 10 Tomahawk missiles...." the man paused as General Amundsen, "Uncle Joey", smiled at the news.

"10 Tomahawk missiles? Isn't that overkill? Well, Wert's leader is still breaking in so I guess he wanted to make sure he did the job right," the General laughed, "Anything else."

The reporter, Major Garcia, was pleased to see that the General was happy that Wert fired and continued to tell the rest of the events.

"Dancing Moose also contributed, he fired 6 missiles and deployed 50 aircraft, 20 of them Subsiders, to finish the job, nothing else so far."

The General seemed a bit confused and asked "What about the carrier escort were they fired on or did they fire back?"

Major Garcia seemed shocked that he didn't know about the escort and scanned his papers for a moment before reporting back "Apparently sir, there was no escort, Benicius just sent carriers, no escort ships,"

The General, now confused that someone would attack with multi-billion dollar ships but with no convoy to protect them said "Your positive there was no escort?"

"It would appear so sir"

"That's unthinkable, what kind of idiot would send 3 very expensive carriers to their death like that?" The General paused to catch his breath and said "Well apparently we're not dealing with any kind of idiot, this guys a professional!"

The General heard familiar laughter from behind him and looked around to see Admiral John Kerry standing behind him.

"Admiral Kerry, glad to see you and I hope your doing well."

The Admiral smiled and responded "Same to you General, so what do you make of the situation so far?"

"This guy's crazy"

The Admiral laughed in the deep way he did and said "Well maybe he had different motives, maybe this was a feigned attack or something?"

The General had not yet given that a thought and thought it possible that the evil dictator of Benicius would do something like that, waste the lives of thousands of crewmen and equipment like that. The General felt sorry for the loss of the young men and felt a sudden will to kill the dictator for sending them to their death like that.

"Sir," Major Garcia said and pointed to two red dots on the green, electronic map on the wall, "perhaps we should mobilize the 3rd and 9th Legion...just in case?"

The General considered the plan and responded "Good idea, have 5 of the Nimitiz carriers loaded too, preferably with Subsiders and other excellent aircraft, have the 3rd and 9th Legion's men and equipment loaded onto Arctic Fox transports and have them ready."

"Yes sir, should I prepare an escort?"

"Indeed," The General looked at the Admiral and said "I'll leave you to the job of preparing an escort for the transports and carriers, should an attack become necessary."

"Right away General"

General Amundsen took a sip of coffee and smiled at the unfolding events.

and benny if you think you fight back think again.......you'd have to godmod to even hit me

I've got so many antimissles systems on the only thing i have on earth one base that you couldn't hit me. All my people are floatin around in space so don't even try fireing at me cuse i'll hit the red button that launches on you

IC: DEF Barham: 15 minutes after the bomber/fighters had taken off light explosions were heard in the distance. 5 minutes later Commander Ross was informed that the leading Nimitz carrier had recieved a radio transmission from veterin pilot Howard Wiles, flying the lead bomber.

Transmission Read:
COPY:/0700 hours/: Selected Sidewinder missiles released and found target; Reporting lead carrier shrouded by smoke and appearing heavily damaged from ship-based missiles-- possibly sinking by stern-- but assured flight ops are out for it--Half Payload of Sidewinder missile have been released from each plane upon the 2nd carrier--Returning home--OVER

Ross, with a relieving and calmed sensation about him, announced to the Control Room that Phase 1 of finding and destoying hidden enemy carriers was an apparent sucess...

OOC: Ill leave the ultimate fate of your carriers up to you, Benicius, as stated by the Rules of RPing. But just so you know, this was bound to happen.

another godmder. amazing. since my carriers are nowhere near you and you lack knowledge of what CVBG is, you must have hit an allied ship (for the benefit of Wert I never said the other nation had hit their ally, but insinuated it because my forces are nowhere near yours or allies).

Since the only ships in the Antarctic region are Shinoxia and her allies, they must be warring upon one another (there is no mention that any allied vessels have left that region).

Oh well, Benicius is still deciding what to do. I am sure the Empire will do something soon. But please, continue doing whatever you want. Godmoding apparently becomes a number of you (whether you agree or not, you are Godmoding - see sticky)

ten F-16 have just flew overhead of the becinius carrier 25 cruise missles were realesed 15 were direct hits. now u decide what damages u have

The 3 CVBG's are nowhere near you so you must have fired upon your allies. Perhaps in future you will be more careful. In the meantime, what is with these accusations of "super carriers"? I have not even posted their specs.

This is godmoding at its worst. You cannot fire upon my carriers when you do not know where they are. Meanwhile, you lack knowledge of the term CVBG and how aircraft carriers are deployed. An aircraft carrier is accompanied by approx 13 vessels, including subs, destroyers, frigates and a refueling tanker.

The Empire of Benicius regrets that you are fighting your own allies, truely sad. However a decision has yet to be reached regarding what will be done regarding Shinoxia's unfounded aggression against Benicius.

Ok your just getting plain annoying now. Once again ill have to state that since you did not give an exact location of your carriers it means they could be anywhere. We are Role Playing (if you even understand what that is) a war and in doing so our radar and visual reports from pilots describe that the carriers are very big. All we are doing is playing the game and obviously you dont know how to. Also, you must mention beforehand any forces traveling with the carriers. You cant just up and expect us to believe that they were convoy protected.

Well congrats, Benicius. Youve succeded in calling almost everyone here a Godmodder. To bad that means nothing to me, since you dont even no how to play the game.

well if your calling us modders i could have a moderator observe the thread that i declare war in which i'm about to draft up right now

OOC: I hope you know that your ships could still be seen by satellite, Benicius. You could have put the location of your ships in OOC format or at least Secret IC. We have to actually write out finding your ships, including the detection part.

Atop an obsidian throne, a prince wearing red with gold trim sat patiently. He had recently entered a war with an elusive nation, and was awaiting his electronic operations unit to hack into whatever communication system the Empire of Benicius may possess. That way, he could find out where the enemy forces were and transmit coordinates to his allies on the front. Reports showed nearly half his air force was patrolling the seas for the phantom carriers, but little help was coming from his forces. He planned to find these ghost ships and plant the death kiss of exact position on them.
"Where are those communication frequencies?!?"
"Patience, milord. Their code will be cracked before the day is done."
"Make it quick. And transmit the position of every unit in Benicius's military to the other nations as soon as you can."
"Yes, milord."

Also, you must mention beforehand any forces traveling with the carriers. You cant just up and expect us to believe that they were convoy protected.

I have used since the first time, CVBG. A CVBG is a carrier battle group (for those who failed to research the term if they were unsure). I therefore do not need to state every single ship, merely that 3 CVBG's were sent out. I have posted correctly and civily throughout this thread, however several nations have seen fit to godmod and send abuse.

As I explained, my carriers are nowhere near Antarctica and therefore all these carriers people seem to be hitting must be allied ones, otherwise they have hit who knows what else. Also it appears you have all hit a total of about 5 carriers, so even if i was in the region (which I was not) then you would have hit someone elses regardless.

I am amazed that people do not properly read the postings.

I emphasise the term CVBG again - carrier battle group.

FYI Benicius, my aircraft are combing the Pacific Ocean for your naval teams. I am assuming the are there since you are part of the Pacific region. Tell me if I spot anything. :P

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

Atop an obsidian throne, a prince wearing red with gold trim sat patiently. He had recently entered a war with an elusive nation, and was awaiting his electronic operations unit to hack into whatever communication system the Empire of Benicius may possess. That way, he could find out where the enemy forces were and transmit coordinates to his allies on the front. Reports showed nearly half his air force was patrolling the seas for the phantom carriers, but little help was coming from his forces. He planned to find these ghost ships and plant the death kiss of exact position on them.
"Where are those communication frequencies?!?"
"Patience, milord. Their code will be cracked before the day is done."
"Make it quick. And transmit the position of every unit in Benicius's military to the other nations as soon as you can."
"Yes, milord."

Hacking into Benicius's military computer systems will be impossible, since there is no link to outside areas. The entire system is protected by its internal design.

the threads open for the war now

Wert, calm down. Look at my previous two posts and wait to see how the sniveling worm responds. I'm pretty sure his ships will be found shortly.

Atop an obsidian throne, a prince wearing red with gold trim sat patiently. He had recently entered a war with an elusive nation, and was awaiting his electronic operations unit to hack into whatever communication system the Empire of Benicius may possess. That way, he could find out where the enemy forces were and transmit coordinates to his allies on the front. Reports showed nearly half his air force was patrolling the seas for the phantom carriers, but little help was coming from his forces. He planned to find these ghost ships and plant the death kiss of exact position on them.
"Where are those communication frequencies?!?"
"Patience, milord. Their code will be cracked before the day is done."
"Make it quick. And transmit the position of every unit in Benicius's military to the other nations as soon as you can."
"Yes, milord."




Hacking into Benicius's military computer systems will be impossible, since there is no link to outside areas. The entire system is protected by its internal design.


if thats not moding then.... oh well what benny is trying to say is they don't have computers... even if they do they won't when the antimatter and emps rain down on them

Atop an obsidian throne, a prince wearing red with gold trim sat patiently. He had recently entered a war with an elusive nation, and was awaiting his electronic operations unit to hack into whatever communication system the Empire of Benicius may possess. That way, he could find out where the enemy forces were and transmit coordinates to his allies on the front. Reports showed nearly half his air force was patrolling the seas for the phantom carriers, but little help was coming from his forces. He planned to find these ghost ships and plant the death kiss of exact position on them.
"Where are those communication frequencies?!?"
"Patience, milord. Their code will be cracked before the day is done."
"Make it quick. And transmit the position of every unit in Benicius's military to the other nations as soon as you can."
"Yes, milord."

Hacking into Benicius's military computer systems will be impossible, since there is no link to outside areas. The entire system is protected by its internal design.

blood cabal how stupid are you of course you cant hack into this guys systems he invisible.SARCASM(while im sure u can tell im being scarastic ill say i am cause i dont think benicius can.

cartoria is that war in this thread or another one

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

Well if you attack my nation because I am "annoying" then the international community & UN will put a stop to you most definately.

If you cannot be civil, then do not post. It is quite simple really.

The Empire is still deciding upon what it plans to do. Meanwhile the 3 CVBG's are in International Waters, though not in the Pacific region. The world is big, but even if you did find them, being in International Waters far away from Antarctica, you would be in gross violation of human rights to hit them.

And pray tell how are you going to get a war going when the Empire of Benicius has made no hostile moves against Shinoxia or her allies?

It will be considered inexcusable and I will seek UN assistence and regional help if necessary. I do trust however you will end this idea of causing an unjustified war.

Meanwhile, the Empire of Benicius is still deciding on what to do.

The prince stood up as his lead hacker approached the throne.
"Well?"
"Sir, we've run into a snag. The Benicius military communicates using carrier pidgeons. Messages will be impossible to intercept."
"Servant!"
"Yes, milord?"
"Send orders to all mobilized air force units. Comb every square kilometer of the Arctic, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans. I want those ships found!"
"We already have most of our forces searching the area, milord. I'll have all other mobile aircraft redirected."

benicius thats called an ooc response(that stands for out of character) i assumed it was clear but ill clairfy next time. and good luck getting the un to step in oh and ur vessels r no longer in internatiol water...because u didnt say that earlier now there smoking awaiting u to annouce there fate

benicius thats called an ooc response(that stands for out of character) i assumed it was clear but ill clairfy next time. and good luck getting the un to step in oh and ur vessels r no longer in internatiol water...because u didnt say that earlier now there smoking awaiting u to annouce there fate

Do you think for once you could RP properly instead of Godmoding? As standard procedure dictates, the location of our vessels are not disclosed to nations which do not need to know.

The 3 CVBG's are undertaking the tasks set for them by the Benician Naval Command.

Also, you must mention beforehand any forces traveling with the carriers. You cant just up and expect us to believe that they were convoy protected.

I have used since the first time, CVBG. A CVBG is a carrier battle group (for those who failed to research the term if they were unsure). I therefore do not need to state every single ship, merely that 3 CVBG's were sent out. I have posted correctly and civily throughout this thread, however several nations have seen fit to godmod and send abuse.

As I explained, my carriers are nowhere near Antarctica and therefore all these carriers people seem to be hitting must be allied ones, otherwise they have hit who knows what else. Also it appears you have all hit a total of about 5 carriers, so even if i was in the region (which I was not) then you would have hit someone elses regardless.

I am amazed that people do not properly read the postings.

I emphasise the term CVBG again - carrier battle group.

Ok. Ill give you that. I was wrong about the CVBG thing. But it still doesnt mean that my planes couldnt have destroyed your ships. You were too busy calling everyone a Godmodder that you didnt post any kind of intercepting force for my planes. So they went ahead as planned and bombed your ships and the convoy just sat there and watched your carriers explode. All you said was that the location was unknown to us, if you had given an exact location (the smart thing for you to do there is say they are not near our waters instead of saying the location is 'unknown to us') then I wouldnt have RPed saying that they suddenly appeared on radar. Also, CoreWorlds is quite right. Our spy satellites could have easily picked up on the location of your ships. I chose to RP it instead. Quit trying to make excuses, you need help on playing the game, thats all.

hey benny get to the thread about the war because i'm gonna go nuclear on your ass in about 3 seconds. we can't carry out war in this particular thread.

All you said was that the location was unknown to us, if you had given an exact location (the smart thing for you to do there is say they are not near our waters instead of saying the location is 'unknown to us') then I wouldnt have RPed saying that they suddenly appeared on radar. Also, CoreWorlds is quite right. Our spy satellites could have easily picked up on the location of your ships.

Well if your spy satellites had picked up the 3 CVBG's then you would have realised that they were in International Waters (we can all agree that all vessels of all nations are permitted in these waters).

Anyway, there is no war, and no hostilities. The Empire has only made demands and since Shinoxia has not sat down to talk the Benician Government is deciding on which course of action needs to be taken.

hey benny get to the thread about the war because i'm gonna go nuclear on your ass in about 3 seconds. we can't carry out war in this particular thread.

War thread? Where? I was just about to intercept one of Benicius's carrier pidgeons.

Benny, even if anyone in the UN did care you existed, they would not support a nation classified as a 'Corrupt Dictatorship' unless they had their foe several outmatched. Long story short, better start your farewell adress.

hey benny get to the thread about the war because i'm gonna go nuclear on your ass in about 3 seconds. we can't carry out war in this particular thread.

War thread? Where? I was just about to intercept one of Benicius's carrier pidgeons.

Benny, even if anyone in the UN did care you existed, they would not support a nation classified as a 'Corrupt Dictatorship' unless they had their foe several outmatched. Long story short, better start your farewell adress.


check the forum i'm bumpin it up every now and then. i'm gonna go nuclear then i'm gonna play golf on the ashes it will be called

"ashville Country Club"

lots of dogwoods left

OOC: Okay, everyone, I'm gonna lay out some neutral ideas. Benicus, please inform everyone what YOUR CVBG's consist of. You don't have to list support vessels, but please indicate they are there, and list your combat ships. (This is because different nations use DIFFERENT CVBG designs.) Also, declare your location in "OOC" or "Secret IC", so they are on the map. People can find you with sat, radar, or planes... it's hard to miss a Battlegroup.

Everyone, here's a good format for fighting:

A: Announce attack
B: Chance to counter with Long range forces
A: Post Damage, Counter the Counter and Break Away or Sneak Past
B: Post Damage, one last attempt to fight with Close In Weapons
A: Post Damage, Fire
B: Post Damage (they also get to "shoot down" missiles if they can) and fire parting shots
A: Post Damage. Return

Obviously, there are special circumstances to alter this (like Stealth, HyperSoar, and other stuff, but that's a good solid formula.

EDIT: NO NUKES! ANYONE NUKES, IT WILL LEAD TO CLUSTER-FU<KING OR INGNORES! (Cartoria, if you use futuretech against a modern nation, he can IGNORE you b/c that's not his tech tree.)

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

OOC: The Antarctic nations ARE godmodding. We've been over this many times in other threads; it is not feasible for 150 million person nations have this many units or have that much money to spend

All you said was that the location was unknown to us, if you had given an exact location (the smart thing for you to do there is say they are not near our waters instead of saying the location is 'unknown to us') then I wouldnt have RPed saying that they suddenly appeared on radar. Also, CoreWorlds is quite right. Our spy satellites could have easily picked up on the location of your ships.

Well if your spy satellites had picked up the 3 CVBG's then you would have realised that they were in International Waters (we can all agree that all vessels of all nations are permitted in these waters).

Anyway, there is no war, and no hostilities. The Empire has only made demands and since Shinoxia has not sat down to talk the Benician Government is deciding on which course of action needs to be taken.

Good Job Benny boy! We are getting somewhere now. Ok let me explain this though, You didnt say your ships were in international waters before I attacked. All you said was that their positions were 'unknown to us'. This is where you are slipping up my friend, and on a side note, you might wanna go ahead and say your ships have sunk because right now they are smoking and barely above the water.

ooc: arygees is saying that about a totally seperate matter(rebelland)which ended as a dead rp. and arygees while i believe r forces were acceptable perhaps a 10th of the forces used there(which may be high) are being used here

"HQ, this is Omnicron. We are running out of fuel."
"HQ here. All units, pull back for refuel. Transmit satelite positon of all enemy vessels to ally nations."

OOC: Goodnight all, logging off. Hope this last post helps.

you might wanna go ahead and say your ships have sunk because right now they are smoking and barely above the water.

No, because they were nowhere near Antarctic forces.

I will remind you all once again, read the stickies. Godmoding gets you nowhere.

Dancing Moose, "smoking"...I detect godmoding again. I do not need to remind you for the 10th time.

Play civily people.

OOC:
The godmodding here by all of you is just as bad as it was in the Rebeland thread. Every one of you ought to be spanked and sent to classes at Role Play University to learn how to RP. They way you're all going, I could send in a squad of elderly ladies from the Hatchibombitarian Knitting Society to annex your countries.

IC: The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar has watched these developments with great concern. Should offensive maneuvers on the part of the Antarctic "forces" reach a critical level, intervention will be considered.

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

OOC: The Antarctic nations ARE godmodding. We've been over this many times in other threads; it is not feasible for 150 million person nations have this many units or have that much money to spend

Argyres, I know you mean well, and im sure Benicius appreciates your support at calling people godmodders. However, that Rebeland thread is over and everything has been forgiven and forgotton. I guarentee you will forever plague us with these accusations of godmodding, perhaps because you are still mad about the last incident. It has been awhile since then, however, and we have changed our forces in case you havent taken the time to notice.

lets move to the war thread its alot better . plus my puppet may start dropping antrax soon :twisted:

you might wanna go ahead and say your ships have sunk because right now they are smoking and barely above the water.

No, because they were nowhere near Antarctic forces.

I will remind you all once again, read the stickies. Godmoding gets you nowhere.

Dancing Moose, "smoking"...I detect godmoding again. I do not need to remind you for the 10th time.

Play civily people.

Why did you quote just that part of what I said? Why wont you respond to the sense Im trying to talk into you? It is replying to what you are continually saying, about your ships being in Antarctic Home Waters.

hey get to the thread post stuff cuse i'm gonna use kippara to small pox him if he dosn't surrender

OOC: May I suggest you guys start a new thread for the war and start again.

Some of this is terrible RP to say the least...

Firsly, it's pretty damn hard to miss a battle group, most nations with the capability to use satalite systems (maybe a couple months old, or maybe even a month at a push) can claim that their spy satalites can detect them, failing that there are numberous other ways of keeping an eye out...

The point is that you have to declare where they are in an OOC way... because it's always possible to find them. However, the Antartic Nations should post how they found them before reacting to them.


Of course, there are much worse problems at hand... for example "My missiles hit, claim damages" is a godmode, it isn't up to you to say that they are succesful in hitting as modern fleets could find ways of stopping a couple of them, to say they all hit would be ignoring possible defences and would be in a way calling damage.

May I also point out that defence systems (such as anti-missile claimed by an Antartic nation) are not 100% effective, so if they fire enough they will breach your security... it's more likely that you're godmoding if you ignore a reasonable attack.

I could say more, but that would require re-reading the thread to be sure and I am not going to bother... but a little more effort in the RP may help.

I RPed saying that I had picked his ships up on radar, after he claimed that the position of his ships was 'unknown to us'. That made it a perfect setup to do what I did, and that is saying I had found his ships on radar.

Also, what is this Anti-missile thing your talking about Iuthia? We never claimed to have that, as Benicius has been to busy calling us godmodders to counter my strike (in which case your saying I would have claimed to have an Anti-Missile system). He had every chance to counter my attack force and he still can if he decides to play the game correctly.

ooc: if i start a new thread at the point of dancing mooses forces reaching antartica. this means that nobody has attacked anybody. then shinoxia annouces that he is in international waters is that acceptable to all parties. note before we began everyone will state what there forces consist of and were they are(ooc of course). i will only do/agree to this if iuthia agrees to validate all troops and judge all acusations of godmoding. his word is final.

EDIT NOT SHINOXIA BENICIUS

ok i'm gonnna use modern tech now and delete my posts

This is a good idea, and we should make it a closed RP or invite only. However, i dont think it has come to that yet. Benicius will not stop his accusations and we need to tell him that these attacks made by me are perfectly legal. Otherwise, he will just pick up on all this crap hes saying in the new thread.

Besides, one reason we couldnt start at that point, Wert, is because Benicius will still be saying that the position to his fleet is unknown to us.

yes this will only work if everyone involved agrees to submit to euthia(i mispelled that badly) in all matter of ooc and of course if he is willing

no benicius must annouce were his fleet is

Ok. Thats fine. But I want him to make the thread, saying war on the Snowy Lands or something, because it was him in the first place to have made any sort of aggressive move torwards us in the first place.
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Fact is, nothing happened other than severe godmodding by Antarctica's forces (Shinoxia and allies) - attested by several neutral nationstates.

So, start a new thread, though I shouldn't bother going to it if you will not play civily and realistically. I am interested in what will be written. If you are going to behave, then I shall join in the new thread. Godmod, and I will ignore it.

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Ok. Thats fine. But I want him to make the thread, saying war on the Snowy Lands or something, because it was him in the first place to have made any sort of aggressive move torwards us in the first place.
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There was never a war to begin with, only your severe godmoding so how can I possibly state there is a war when there clearly is not one?

You need to read the stickies.

Well, was there a penalty stated for drilling? I say we must sanction Shinoxia until they come to the UN and prove that they stopped if trade is what keeps that country together.

Or we can set some military in the location and rid anything that Shinoxia has over there. Maybe even both options...

That is what this thread was for, to determine what should be done about drilling a protected region. All that occured was threats, abuse and godmoding on behalf of Shinoxia and its allies.

However, thank you for your input Azby.

Hm... seeing as I have probably pissed off Cartoria, it may not work if I'm being a judge.

Eitherway... it was mostly a post about how silly some of this thread has got... I personally don't recognise "international law" because it doesn't exist in Nation States unless the UN makes the rule, even then it is only the UN who has to follow it.

The way I see it is that your both in the wrong, only Benicus is trying harder to do it right (but missing some key aspects none the less).

So I will only play judge if I think it's worth my time... if people are gonna bitch at me about how I'm wrong then it's not worth my time, if it's going to degenerate into "I n00ks joo" it's not worth my time. You get the idea.

Idea sounds nice though...

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

OOC: The Antarctic nations ARE godmodding. We've been over this many times in other threads; it is not feasible for 150 million person nations have this many units or have that much money to spend

Argyres, I know you mean well, and im sure Benicius appreciates your support at calling people godmodders. However, that Rebeland thread is over and everything has been forgiven and forgotton. I guarentee you will forever plague us with these accusations of godmodding, perhaps because you are still mad about the last incident. It has been awhile since then, however, and we have changed our forces in case you havent taken the time to notice.

OOC: Actually I was going to enter the war on your side because Benicius is impersonating the ICJ, and has no authority, and as I RP it, Argyres defends national sovereignty.

As to your pathetic attempts to sidestep the godmodding; I am not the only one doing this, and I only brought it up here because you ARE godmodding and if I was to enter the war (particularly on your side), I didn't want the whole thing to be worthless because of godmodding.

YOU do not think you are godmodding, but in both threads numerous people have told you you are. No matter what kind of deals you make with regional allies, your spending and military has to be reasonable, and the number of troops/tanks/ships you and your allies keep sending out is WELL beyond reasonable for 150 million person nations.

Examples:
Roberticus on page 3 saying he had 5 carriers (20 million person nation)
Wert3813 on page 5 saying he had over 2000 tanks (18 million)

You have to realize that your claim to having $300 billion each to magically spend is absurd. Your countries are small, and must be RPed realistically, and to explain away blatant godmodding by saying your shared military budget dropped that much of a windfall on you just doesn't make sense.

Fact is, nothing happened other than severe godmodding by Antarctica's forces (Shinoxia and allies) - attested by several neutral nationstates.

So, start a new thread, though I shouldn't bother going to it if you will not play civily and realistically. I am interested in what will be written. If you are going to behave, then I shall join in the new thread. Godmod, and I will ignore it.

Agreed, but its just sad that you cant back this up at all.

beninius here is how this is going to work, i welcome feed back: this new thread will start with your forces in international waters u will post what these force are not three whatever carriers three carriers plus w/e is with them. all nations in this invitation only role play will report there forces at the beginning iuthia will certify that that is acceptable from there we will any claims of god moding will be settled by him AND HIS WORD IS FINAL all of this is assuming he agrees

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Iuthia- TG

somebody get a modirator in here cause this guy is a nut who has managed to find a way for everyone to godmod EXCEPT HIMSELF OF COURSE but in the mean time how bout we bomb his homeland because he is being so annoying

OOC: The Antarctic nations ARE godmodding. We've been over this many times in other threads; it is not feasible for 150 million person nations have this many units or have that much money to spend

Argyres, I know you mean well, and im sure Benicius appreciates your support at calling people godmodders. However, that Rebeland thread is over and everything has been forgiven and forgotton. I guarentee you will forever plague us with these accusations of godmodding, perhaps because you are still mad about the last incident. It has been awhile since then, however, and we have changed our forces in case you havent taken the time to notice.

OOC: Actually I was going to enter the war on your side because Benicius is impersonating the ICJ, and has no authority, and as I RP it, Argyres defends national sovereignty.

As to your pathetic attempts to sidestep the godmodding; I am not the only one doing this, and I only brought it up here because you ARE godmodding and if I was to enter the war (particularly on your side), I didn't want the whole thing to be worthless because of godmodding.

YOU do not think you are godmodding, but in both threads numerous people have told you you are. No matter what kind of deals you make with regional allies, your spending and military has to be reasonable, and the number of troops/tanks/ships you and your allies keep sending out is WELL beyond reasonable for 150 million person nations.

Examples:
Roberticus on page 3 saying he had 5 carriers (20 million person nation)
Wert3813 on page 5 saying he had over 2000 tanks (18 million)

You have to realize that your claim to having $300 billion each to magically spend is absurd. Your countries are small, and must be RPed realistically, and to explain away blatant godmodding by saying your shared military budget dropped that much of a windfall on you just doesn't make sense.

It doesnt matter to me if you are on our side or not. You cannot threaten me with this because it doesnt matter at all. My region is perfectly big enough to support 4 carriers and as for Roberticus and Wert, im not responsible for their actions.

iuthia if u agree to judge u will have full power to EJECT NATIONS FROM THE THREAD, CHANGE NATIONS NUMBERS TO MAKE THEM NOT GODMODED, TO DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING U WANT INCLUDING END THE THREAD CAUSE IT ISNT WORTH UR TIME

AND DONT WORRY BOUT WHO U PISSED OFF WONT BE INVITED

EDIT im waiting on a yes from u to start the new thread

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Comrade Azby, I don't recognize this law because the oil is in my land and I have every right to it.

I have lost 10 billion in lost oil sales and I demand the Benicius pay me back. I suggest starting a new seperate thread for the war.

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beninius here is how this is going to work, i welcome feed back: this new thread will start with your forces in international waters u will post what these force are not three whatever carriers three carriers plus w/e is with them. all nations in this invitation only role play will report there forces at the beginning iuthia will certify that that is acceptable from there we will any claims of god moding will be settled by him AND HIS WORD IS FINAL all of this is assuming he agrees

Well I have no intention of creating a new thread when I already began this one. However, you may create a new thread and I shall see if it is reasonable. There will be no escaping the fact that you godmoded this entire thread, so starting anew won't change a thing.

However, I am sure you can rectify yourself here. This thread will continue though I see no reason to. Nothing has happened. Benicius is still deciding on the matter.

Azby I inhabit Antarctica so how could it be neutral land?

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Who is everyone Benny?

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Iuthia will certify that that is acceptable from there we will any claims of god moding will be settled by him AND HIS WORD IS FINAL all of this is assuming he agrees

I'm not playing Mod... I'll admit that I do read into these things a little but I couldn't honestly say that "x" nation truelly couldn't "y" amount of tanks... I get the jist of logistics and all...

So I'll tell you what... just try and be realistic, I'm not going to moderate your thread and tell you what is right and what is wrong because I'm not comfortable with doing that... I may "clarify" general roleplay ettiquette but I'm not going to have the final say... that only happens in my nation which is a dictatorship.

I suggested a new thread so you guys could try doing this without the mistakes, not so I could judge everyone.

If Benicius wants to chuck the whole thing it may be easier for everyone.

Meh...

DM- my post never accused you of godmodding. Your fleet from earlier in the thread might be a tad large, but it looks okay to me. I wasn't threatening you, I was merely pointing out I brought this up NOT to get on your case, but to get it fixed so this RP doesn't end up like the REbeland one

Azby, I don't recognize that 1959 law because it doesn't apply to me, however if you or Benicius harrass me and hurt my oil sales I'll have no choice but to go to war.

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well by my count this role play ended just like the rebelland one...dead

Like the wars going on, i don't really care about those, unless it's going on in my region, or i have national interest.

Some rogue nation is benefiting off of a land that i cannot even drill on! It's neutral territory, but it's a UN violation, i'm apart of the UN, so yes, it does involve me.

Thank you. Well, you have my thoughts on what should be the outcome. After this issue is resolved, i think we should propose to the UN, the penalty for drilling in that land. We can propose what worked in this Shinoxia violation.

Shinoxia is probably sending oil to it's allies, for their support. I say we sanction all of them!

We have nothing to do with the UN, and we have a right to this land to do with it what we wish. Go ahead with your sanctions, but I assure you Shinoxia will not give that right up without a fight.

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Because comrade Azby:

This is NS real treaties don't always apply here

That treaty dates back to 1959, before Antartica was inhabited it is null now.

Benicius does not have the right to use the ICJ and his accusations are false.

I guarantee you the UN will do nothing about this.

Why that law doesnt apply because that is in the real world this isnt see if r nation was named the icy tundra there would be nothing wrong with him drilling

You're not a UN member, but the UN has to do with the whole world, member or non-member, the UN resolutions still recognize a violation by any nation.

If a resolution is passed by the UN but a country is not in it, the UN resolution is not binding upon that nation, so NO it's not a violation because it never had an effect in the first place.

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Exactly Argyes, Benny claims to have the authority of the ICJ in making his stupid accusations of my nation's oil drilling and it is beggining to really get on my nerves.

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International Court of Justice.

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andrew who has the power to change r reagon name

in the real world yes hear on ns the is no such thing

Well I'm not fully informed, but I'm 90% sure the ICJ operates independently of the UN. However, it's not designed to try cases like this, doesn't have the authority to use military threats, and does not necessarily exist in the NS world.

International Court of Justice.

OOC: Interesting, never heard of it. Is it like an international Tribunal?

Somewhat it exists in real life but Benicius has no right to claim he has their authority to make his accusations of me.

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Well I'm not fully informed, but I'm 90% sure the ICJ operates independently of the UN. However, it's not designed to try cases like this, doesn't have the authority to use military threats, and does not necessarily exist in the NS world.

Is there any membership to it?

Dunno if it exists on NS comrade.

azby it isnt far for us to be pentalized because of the fact that are region is named the same as some continent in the real world

I'll pull some research off Google. Of course, this refers to the RL ICJ, and does not imply validity in the NS world

EDIT: For reference http://www.icj-cij.org/

Wert, please use correct punctation, knowing you personally I know you have the intelligence to do so. :D

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azby no thats just it there is no membership because on NS there is not such commity and no such treaty

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Bingo...the only reason we called ourselves Antartica was because we wanted a cold region. I wish we just called ourselves the Frozen Tundra

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Well I'm not fully informed, but I'm 90% sure the ICJ operates independently of the UN. However, it's not designed to try cases like this, doesn't have the authority to use military threats, and does not necessarily exist in the NS world.

All true.

You know, this thread has built up to 11 pages based on one premise: That Shinoxia somehow violated international law IC. Am I the only one who's taken the time to go through the UN Resolutions to identify which one he broke? I must be, since it doesn't exist!!

Last time Shinoxia and I met up, we were on opposite sides. Some of the others in this thread were there, too. Painful though it may be to admit it, Shinoxia is in the right as far as his IC drilling is concerned. On the other hand, his attempt to claim and collect damages doesn't pass the straightfaced test.

Benicius, you're just wrong on the drilling issue. You would be well served to let it drop and save your battle for another day. That being said, I'll be tempted to jump in on your side if the Antarctic forces start ganging up and resume godmodding.

No Harm...See we were being penalized because of the name of are country. And I try to explain this to Benicius

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I will admit we got somewhat carried away but the guy was a nut attacking us because of the name of are region

I will back Shinoxia in drilling. No one needs to worry about Benicius. He is a godmodder. If he knows he is ognna be destroyed he will ignore it and not accept it.

Benicius, if you try to start something with Shinoxia, I will have every communist nation that destroyed your blockade on the nation of Che to back our communist brothern and attack and destroy you. I can not stand you any way. I have now 5 LA class subs and 2 carriers with 80 MiG-29's fitted with Napalm charges. His airport that the international community and I are building will be done soon. I can have 10 long range bombers sent from it to smash your capital into a pulp. I will also have up to 300 M1A2 Abrams to enter your nation.

I have warned you before. It seems you do not like communist nations. If you dont, thats your problum. But, if you dont relize that communist nations back its comrades around the world, I think you to need to take that into account.

I do not comdome war, but I will back any nation that is harrassed by imperialist nations. I would back a capitalist nation if they were fighting for there freedom from an imperialist power. So I am not just backing communist/socialist nations.

P.S. Che backs me. He wants revenge on what you have done to his people already. So he would happily send in half a million troops to back me if I asked him.

Well I'm not fully informed, but I'm 90% sure the ICJ operates independently of the UN. However, it's not designed to try cases like this, doesn't have the authority to use military threats, and does not necessarily exist in the NS world.

All true.

You know, this thread has built up to 11 pages based on one premise: That Shinoxia somehow violated international law IC. Am I the only one who's taken the time to go through the UN Resolutions to identify which one he broke? I must be, since it doesn't exist!!

Last time Shinoxia and I met up, we were on opposite sides. Some of the others in this thread were there, too. Painful though it may be to admit it, Shinoxia is in the right as far as his IC drilling is concerned. On the other hand, his attempt to claim and collect damages doesn't pass the straightfaced test.

Benicius, you're just wrong on the drilling issue. You would be well served to let it drop and save your battle for another day. That being said, I'll be tempted to jump in on your side if the Antarctic forces start ganging up and resume godmodding.

Whoa Whoa Whoa... Thats a bit racist on your part Hatch. After all, Benicius was the one to make any sort of military action against us in the first place. We merely defended ourselves.

As for everyone else, thank you for helping talk this out and im glad that the majority agrees that Shinoxia has rights to drill that land. Hopefully Benicius will follow suit.

and Shinoxia no longer needs to collect damages because since there was no bases for the accusation(other than are name) and since it ended in godmoding its like the whole thing never happened

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NATIONS OF ANTARTICA:

We got attacked because someone saw are name and assumed it was the Antartica. because simply pretend that this post didnt happen and for the record one last time:

we are the snowy lands of antartica NOT the antartica located at the bottom of the Earth!!!

THIS THREAD IS NO CLOSED IT NEVER HAPPENED AND ANY AND ALL POSTS SHOULD BE IGNORED

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Done :lol:

Whoa Whoa Whoa... Thats a bit racist on your part Hatch. After all, Benicius was the one to make any sort of military action against us in the first place. We merely defended ourselves.

As for everyone else, thank you for helping talk this out and im glad that the majority agrees that Shinoxia has rights to drill that land. Hopefully Benicius will follow suit.

Racist? Wha..?? You lost me, Moose.
In fairness, Benicius directed this thread at Shinoxia, specifically, not at the rest of the region. To say he directed military action at "us" is at best misleading. That being said, I think he picked the wrong fight on the wrong issue. I apologize if I didn't make that sufficiently clear in my previous post.

My involvement, or lack thereof, was predicated soley on keeping things honest if I saw Antarctic nations heading down the same path as in the Rebeland thread. That concern seems to have passed and wiser heads have prevailed. I look forward to meeting up with you and your compatriots in the future, I think we could have some fun if it's set up right.
Best,
Hatch

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i agree that it was the wrong word

but i know the kid and nothing was ment by it

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im off to bed no more posts please!! if its important telegram

agreed on the rasist thing

Whoa Whoa Whoa... Thats a bit racist on your part Hatch. After all, Benicius was the one to make any sort of military action against us in the first place. We merely defended ourselves.

As for everyone else, thank you for helping talk this out and im glad that the majority agrees that Shinoxia has rights to drill that land. Hopefully Benicius will follow suit.

Racist? Wha..?? You lost me, Moose.
In fairness, Benicius directed this thread at Shinoxia, specifically, not at the rest of the region. To say he directed military action at "us" is at best misleading. That being said, I think he picked the wrong fight on the wrong issue. I apologize if I didn't make that sufficiently clear in my previous post.

My involvement, or lack thereof, was predicated soley on keeping things honest if I saw Antarctic nations heading down the same path as in the Rebeland thread. That concern seems to have passed and wiser heads have prevailed. I look forward to meeting up with you and your compatriots in the future, I think we could have some fun if it's set up right.
Best,
Hatch

Well im not going to start insults again, but quite obviously, when I say 'us' I mean ally and best friend of, and since I countered his attack (sending the carriers) I involve myself in the first military actions Benicius made aganst Shinoxia, or us (allies of Shinoxia).

Calling him that was WAY off, lol. We weren't even talking about races.

I just meant racist in that Hatch would quickly join Benicius's side if we attacked him, when he attacked Shinoxia and his allies in the first place.

is shinoxia communist? or whoever started this communist? just curious....

OOC: Sorry about the 5 carrier thing, if thats godmodeing then I will make it 1 =). Just thought I could because of the 300 Billion dollar thing. I still think that I can have my airforce, but if thats considered godmodeing then I will tone it down too. I still think Benecious has no right to this war and his reasons are stupid.

Commander Robinson decides to pull back 4 carriers. His airforce is still one red alert. If we ever find out the casualties of Benecious, who seems a little reluctant to say, we can see if another strike is needed.

Roberticus IV
Empire of Roberticus

MiG-29's are now on the dreaded "Scorch Earth Policy" (SEP). Anything that can be used as military action against Shinoxia by Benicius will be burt by napalm charges and will be called an act of war by Benicius. Communist Louisiana will then defend her comrade and declair war on Benicius with another SEP on Benicius's capital and major cities.

Calling him that was WAY off, lol. We weren't even talking about races.

I just meant racist in that Hatch would quickly join Benicius's side if we attacked him, when he attacked Shinoxia and his allies in the first place.

It's not a use of the word to which I'm accustomed, but I accept your explanation.

I meant what I said, though, sincerely. I do hope we have a chance to RP together some time in the future.
Best,
Hatch

We begin landing 20 Multi-role aircraft/Bombers on Shinoxia. We also have 200,000 red guard troops being deployed to Shinoxia. With those troops is a well trained calvery of 300 M1A2 Abrams,2 more Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's backing the two based 1 half amile from the cost of Shinoxia, 5 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's, 175 Land based MiG-29's with napalm and basic cruise missles, 3 Katze Class Brown Water Patrol Submarines, and 3 Mercy Class Hospital Ship's. I will not let my comrade be attacked. I will have up to 10 other nations help guard the new government of Shinoxia.

Ok some of these godmoders (its going to be a while and some sensible postings before this label is taken off) believe there is a war.

Please, if you have read this thread then you would know that there was never a war - so quit the whining.

Meanwhile, it is nice to see certain nationstates admit their godmoding mistakes and come up with some realistic numbers.

Id say this thread is closed as godmoders have taken over. Sensible discussion is not within the ability of Antarctic nationstates.

In future I advise you cease abuse (public and private) and post properly. Play civil folks.

(no more posting from Benicius - situation will continue however in other fields)

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Disregard his choice of words, lol.

The Monarch of Terres Francaises is watching any and all developments in this region with great interest. It is his hope that both sides call a cease fire and meet at the negotiations table.

To this end, I, King Michel IV offer the Neutral City of Terres Troisieme in the Eastern French Lands as a site for mediation. It shall be declared that NO weapons are to be brought to this city, as it is Neutral, and only used for diplomatic purposes.

Sincerely,

His Highest Majesty, King Michel IV
The United Terres Francaises Lands
Monarch of Terres Francaises

Hello Comrades,

The nation of Benicius has claimed to have the authority of the International Court of Justice and accused me of illegal drilling in my own land. I've told him that the oil is on my land and I have rights to it, but he still threatened me.

He accused me and everyone else in the thread of godmodding even when I never even attacked, just watched. He changed his government to communist to avoid being beaten by the communist nations, but I don't think we won't some like him in our midst.

I had to temporarily shut down oil drilling in order to meet this threat and I lost 10 billion in oil revenues. I can't allow his accusations of me go unpunished, so I am going to war.

Everyone is invited to the "War on Benicius" thread.

:shock: :shock: I dont see any real valid reson for this war. ...

If it dose come to war Shinoxia You have my support... If your the defnder..

If Shinoxia Is the attacker i will help the other nations but i see that Shinoxia is trying to defend him self in this case.