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We are looking for a larger source of power that is safer than a nuclear reactor and provides over 8,000 megawatts. It also must be able to be built underground. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

John Northrop
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We would think that a matter/anti-matter facility would probably fit the bill. Pollution free, effecient, and powerful, to be sure. Sadly, many billions of inguts sunk into such research, most of our work with matter/anti-matter reactors has been purely theoretical. In fact, all of it does; our containment technology just hasn't advanced enough to contain the anti-matter for more than a few minutes.

Fusion power also would work well, but there's the pesky little issue of it technically being nuclear power. By "nuclear" were you referring to both fusion and fission or simply fission? We've had better luck with fusion and recently completed our small test reactor. We are, of course, willing to share that design with you, if you are interested.

And, either way, we are willing to contribute our intellectual capital to this endeavor. Assuming, of course, the Republic of Northrop-Grumman is interested in our assistence.

Comm to: Northrop Grumman

My country is fully adapt at using uranium and building nuclear power plants, i hope you can rethink your decision of not having a nuclear power plant being built. i assure you that our nuclear power plants are safest in the world and can not be rivaled.
I would also like to remind you that there are 2 different types of nuclear reactors that are currently being used.

Types of Nuclear Power Plants

Two types of U.S. nuclear plants operate on the same principles. Commercial nuclear power plants in the United States are either boiling water reactors or pressurized water reactors. Both are cooled by ordinary water. The coolant—the water—is the main link in the process that converts fission energy to electrical energy.

Boiling water reactors. In boiling water reactors, the water is heated by the nuclear fuel and boils to steam directly in the reactor vessel. It is then piped directly to the turbine. The turbine spins, driving the electric generator, producing electricity. Boiling water reactors are manufactured by General Electric.

Pressurized water reactors. In pressurized water reactors, the water is heated by the nuclear fuel but kept under pressure to prevent it from boiling. Instead, the hot water is pumped from the reactor pressure vessel to a steam generator. There the heat of the water is transferred to a second, separate supply of water, which boils to make steam. The steam spins the turbine, driving the electric generator, producing electricity. Pressurized water reactors are manufactured by Babcock and Wilcox Company; Westinghouse Electric Corporation; and the former Combustion Engineering, Inc., now a part of Westinghouse.

It may be possible that one of these types of reactors might be safer than the other, but i am currently not aware of that at this present moment.

In addition to help lead the construction of the plant, the -Noir- government might be willing to give your country a special price/discount for the uranium needed for the plant.

From:
-Noir- Atomic Energy Commission Sales Representative
Vincent Anton

umm... we may be able to help you with that. Depends on the type of reactor you are looking for. We have one that provides an enormous amount of energy and is better than a nuclear reactor.

Juumanistra, how much power does the fusion reactor provide? Will it be able to be placed underground?

Indra Prime, what kind of reactors do you have? We definitely don't want nuclear fission.

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[quote="Northrop-Grumman"]Juumanistra, how much power does the fusion reactor provide? Will it be able to be placed underground?

Indra Prime, what kind of reactors do you have? We definitely don't want nuclear fission.

John Northrop
Chairman


We don't deal in Nuclear Fission or fusion for that matter, but we do produce Matter/ Antimatter Reactors that provide 100 fold the amount a nuclear reactor of similar size would produce. Plus there is no harmful byproducts.

[quote=Northrop-Grumman]Juumanistra, how much power does the fusion reactor provide? Will it be able to be placed underground?

Indra Prime, what kind of reactors do you have? We definitely don't want nuclear fission.

John Northrop
Chairman


We don't deal in Nuclear Fission or fusion for that matter, but we do produce Matter/ Antimatter Reactors that provide 100 fold the amount a nuclear reactor of similar size would produce. Plus there is no harmful byproducts.

OOC: antimatter reactors...i doubt its real, all i am finding are that antimatter reactors are found on "futuristic" spaceships

How do the Matter/Antimatter Reactors keep producing power?

How do the Matter/Antimatter Reactors keep producing power?

i found a site...lol

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Crater/2077/reactors.txt

Our test reactor produces a little over 500 megawatts. The current reactor is, to be quite frank, anemic compared to some of the designs we have, but we had to ensure that the basic building blocks were in place. Scaling it up to meet your needs to be would not be hard. And building it underground would be preferable, on the off chance that something does go wrong.

And, on an off note, would Indra Prime be interested in supplying us with a small research matter/anti-matter reactor?

Our test reactor produces a little over 500 megawatts. The current reactor is, to be quite frank, anemic compared to some of the designs we have, but we had to ensure that the basic building blocks were in place. Scaling it up to meet your needs to be would not be hard. And building it underground would be preferable, on the off chance that something does go wrong.

And, on an off note, would Indra Prime be interested in supplying us with a small research matter/anti-matter reactor?

i would rather go with a regular steam or pressure based nuclear reactor, since you dont have to risk a full nuclear explosion due to fission

Indra Prime and Juumanistra, what would happen to your reactors if there was a power overload or a sudden explosion underground?

Indra Prime and Juumanistra, what would happen to your reactors if there was a power overload or a sudden explosion underground?

for our nuclear reactors, the explosion would only have to occur inside the reactor itself, which is highly unprobable because no one would be able to access the inside of the core since it is sealed from the outside surrounding from contruction.

Ours are designed to protect themselves in the event of a power surge or some kind of explosion. Our reactor is designed to power itself through a sort of feed back loop and in theevent a power surge was detected, the reactor would close off the magnetic containment vessels and would not allow any more fuel to be released into the reaction chamber. Thus effectively halting the power supply until the problem is corrected.

Indra Prime and Juumanistra, what would happen to your reactors if there was a power overload or a sudden explosion underground?

If there's an explosion, and the failsafe to kill the reactor fails, you'll feel a small earthquake. It would be akin to a hydrogen bomb going off[remember, thermonuclear warheads are powered by uncontrolled fusion]. We do take our safety precautions seriously, however, and ensure that our systems are built with multiple failsafes to prevent the reactor from going critical from the likes of outside explosions and power overloads.

And -Noir-, our testbed reactor is steam-based. The difference from regular nuclear reactors is that the source used to generate the heat to boil the water stems from the controlled fusion of hydrogen as opposed to the splitting of uranium

Anti-matter would be difficult for him to maintain, I'd think, and they also tend to produce alot of radiation(high-energy gamma rays take alot of shielding to block).

We could build you a fair-sized multi-reactor fusion complex capible of meeting or exceeding your need of 8 gigawatts; running off of deuterium, it produces no signifigant radiation, the fuel can be extracted from sea water or produced yourself cheaply with surplus power, it's perfectly safe unless you poke your head into a hot or running reactor(Kanuckistani fusion reactors just stop fusing us you lose containment; they can't blow up on their own), and a multi-reactor system provides redundency incase you have to take a reactor offline, say for maintaince.

Added to this, our fusion reactors are a fairly straight-forward system to operate and, being modular, easy to maintain.


Kanuckistan's Uniphase Armouries Interversal can provide you with a five 2 gigawatte fusion reactor powerplant, and a 30 year maintaince contract(parts and labor), for ten billion USD, and yeilding a combined output of 10 gigawattes, or 10'000 megawattes.

Kanuckistan, we will buy ten 2 gigawatte fusion reactors (5 above ground and 5 underground)

Indra Prime, we would like to buy 1 matter/antimatter reactor for further study.

Juumanistra, we will make a $15 billion contribution for your research program.

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We researched many forms of this reactor and did indeed have numerous testing accidents on asteroidal research outposts, but from those accidents have learned a great deal and have come up with a design that would be able to withhold the radiation and still produce the energy that is needed. Also one of the benefits, our reactor is able to be tuned, meaning you can "dial" up the amount of power needed and the reaction will subsequently increase, thus giving you more power. Also to those naysayers, antimatter is an actual substance that scientists have been working on for the past few years and have actually, in RL, managed to contain in magnetic vacuums and no damage came to them or their equipment.

Kanuckistan, we will buy ten 2 gigawatte fusion reactors (5 above ground and 5 underground)



Representitives from Uniphase Armouries Interversal are enroute presently to oversee site preperation while the deconstructed reactor modules are being transported, and a trained workforce will follow to assemble them on-site when they arrive.

Enclosed are several UAI bank acount numbers to which you can send the $20 Billion USD payment.

Signed:

Minister Bob McBob,
Office of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan.

Comm to: Kanuckistan

Do you think it is possible for you to send over some of your researchers to my country to brief my scientists about this fusion reactors. We have done research on fusion techology, but we were wondering if you have any way of producing the reaction in a cheap but efficient method.

From:
Representative to Chancellor Keiji
Ms. Motoko Aoyama

Comm to: Kanuckistan

Do you think it is possible for you to send over some of your researchers to my country to brief my scientists about this fusion reactors. We have done research on fusion techology, but we were wondering if you have any way of producing the reaction in a cheap but efficient method.

From:
Representative to Chancellor Keiji
Ms. Motoko Aoyama

Comm to: -Noir-

From what I understand, the key to our reactor efficency is the use of high conversion-rate, high-temperature thermocouples placed just outside the plasma stream. The thermocouples themselves convert heat directly into electricity(OOC: and exist RL), and were a product of our advanced materials sciences several centuries back(OOC: I use the RL day=NS year formula, making my nation ~391 years old NS time). Aside from that, it's just the electromagneticly comtained and compressed fusion of a deuterium plasma.

In the event of an uncontroled containment failure, the thermocouples, as well as other internal hardware, often has to be replaced, but that's easy enough to do, and the physical containment vessel, composed of a highly insular reinforced ceramic, containes the plasma while it decompresses through vents who's seals physicly fail under the pressure(these also have manual release mechanisms). The containment vessel itself is easily large enough that the plasma decompresses beyond the point it stops fusing even, at the highest reaction settings the reactor's hardware is physicly capible of producing.

If you want further details, I can contact someone who'd know more, and the thermocouples used in civilian reactors and applications are avalible for export.

Signed:
Minister Bob McBob,
Office of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan.

OOC:
I'm replying here because it's detailing aspects in common with the reactors Northrop-Grumman is purchasing.

We may be able to help with your problem.

Through years of genertic engineering our scientists have been able to convert the indigineous "eathwurmus giganticus" into a viable powersource.

Through the use of sonic waves we are able to direct the wurms to create a predefined tunnelnetwork. After the network is created our engineers will come in coat the tunnel network with a special resin that will prevent the wurms from exiting the area.

The tunnels are than ready to be filled with the primary fuel required for operation. Experiments and wurm modifications have have resulted in the use various resources, including, sludge (toxic/non-toxic) bio-mass and manure. Also almost any organic material can be used.

The modified wurms will feed on these resources. Their digestive systems will convert the fuel into a clean* sludge. As a byproduct a highly combustive Gas is produced. This gas will travel upward through the network were it will power a highly efficient combustion powerplant.
After 10-years a different type of wurm will be used to remove all the buildup of clean* sludge. These wurms can then be used as a non-toxic* fertilizer. After this, the network will be refilled with fuel.

The power production will be approx. 500 MW@ per sq. kilometer.
Each network can be enlarged to 5 sq. km before efficiency will begin to decrease. Nominal depthrange for the network is 100-3000 meters (may vary on soil type).

Wurms will be supplied by Remboland during the first 10-years afterwhich in-house can be negotiated.

The initial cost will be 95.000.000 Glot per powerplant and 50.000.000 per
sq km of tunnel network. Maintenance and wurm costs will be 10.000.000 per sq km per year.

1 Glot = 0.97 USD



*toxicity levels may vary for different types of Fuel used
@ efficiency may improve with the continuoing R&D in wurms