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Quick OOC Note: All posts within this thread are concidered to be only viewed IC by members of the Nations Against Impialism Alliance and nations I have personally invited. There for you cannot claim to have IC knowledge of what happens inside this thread unless someone in this thread posts details outside of this thread.

Members of the NAIA and those who have been invited should not post anything in this thread they feel is too sensitive to post here in the first place... some nations have been known to use OOC knowledge in a IC way and as such anything really secret should be kept to outside boards and telegrams...


Thanks for making times in your busy schedules to make it here for this conference. As always your continued support for the NAIA alliance is greatly welcomed and hopefully in the couple of days we can think of better ways to help other nations from the tyranny of Imperialistists.


As I'm sure most of your are aware, the NAIA alliance has become highly inactive in the past few months after I resurrected us from the last dormant period when New Genoa stepped down as President of the Alliance. Today I hope to bring our alliance back into the light to talk about how we may keep it there and what steps we can take to help victim nations in these uncertain times.


We are here to discuss our opinions on the NAIA alliance; how we may improve the alliance, how we may shape the alliance to fit all our needs and where we want to go in the future years ahead of us.


We are also here to discuss our progress as individual nations and how we have helped others to combat the imperialist threat... we can also use this chance to learn how our allies are coping and to learn of any actions that need our assistance.


Basically put, this is a open discussion about the NAIA and it's members. If you have a problem with my leadership then please riase your point. If you require help in another matter, please discuss it. If you are concerned with something going on in the world and wish to discuss it, we will listen. Please, anything you wish to share with your allies would be welcome.


If our Head of R&D has any new technologies he would like to share, we would like to hear about it, maybe perchase ourselves some of it. But ofcourse, if you just wish to listen and then add your opinion then please do, but could we all at least just acknowledge we are here,

Thanks,


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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
President of the NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75900&highlight=)

Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
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OOC Note: In otherwords, just tag if you can't think of anything to say for now, please if you want to say something say it because I will feel pretty silly talking to myself...

Perhaps the NAIA should extend a hand of friendship to the Legion of Defence alliance. While they don't have the exact same goals, they are somewhat similar in their purposes. I believe there's a link to its thread in my sig.

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High Chancellor Sparrow
The Imperial Naval Republic of Unum Veritas
Member: NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1667209#1667209)
Member: Band of Brothers (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2432224#2432224)
Vice President and Naval Commander: Legion of Defence (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2503299#2503299)
Owner: Unum Veritas Naval Store (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745)

Perhaps the NAIA should extend a hand of friendship to the Legion of Defence alliance. While they don't have the exact same goals, they are somewhat similar in their purposes. I believe there's a link to its thread in my sig.

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High Chancellor Sparrow
The Imperial Naval Republic of Unum Veritas
Member: NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1667209#1667209)
Member: Band of Brothers (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2432224#2432224)
Vice President and Naval Commander: Legion of Defence (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2503299#2503299)
Owner: Unum Veritas Naval Store (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745)

As the Head of R&D in NAIA, we have quite a few new technologies to bring to the table. First of all, I'd like to turn this over to our Aerospace Combat Technologies Research Center, or "Dreamland", as it's become to be known.
EMS- Electro Magnetic Spectrum- a wide range of emissions generated by 'modern' fighting vehicles and even power armor equipped infantry. The EMS spectrum was scanned for 'artificial' signals that did not occur normally as background radiation from the sun, from the Earth's magnetic poles, etc. Anything out of the ordinary (i.e. not occurring naturally in nature) could be tagged as a target. Target emissions and documentation was included in every database onboard a vehicle. Discrepancies were easily identified, and then correlated based on known information on a unit by unit basis.
This is a big breakthrough in terms of security and Early Warning. EMS can be fitted anywhere where a radar or X-ray could, and can detect even the stealthiest of attack aircraft. EMS also has applications in locating hidden weapons at security checkpoints, or finding fragments of metal inside a victim of a fragmentation weapon. When combined with our next development, it makes a potent anti-missile weapon.
Now, nuclear missiles are always finicky things to deal with. It's very hard to get a missile that can get close enough to damage them, and it's very expensive to use SDI weapons like Lasers. However, we've developed Plasma Yield Warheads. PYWs use nuclear fission... But they are not nuclear weapons in any way. The radiation generated is focused along a magnetic field into a pea sized pellet of nuclear fuel. This reaction is only a few milliseconds long... Not enough to be dangerous unless you're right there. But if you're that close, you have other things to worry about. Because ions will be stripped from atoms, creating plasma. By the amount of nuclear fuel we have in that pellet, we can determine the exact size of the plasma "bubble". The bubble will die as it's born, but will also take with it anything else. Because plasma is merely another state of matter, and any element can become any state of matter. So as the bubble dies, so does everything in it. And the wonderful thing is, nothing outside it is affected. No heat, overpressure, little visual effects register in the millisecond it occurs, and the sound isn't what you expect from something of it's magnitude. Our point is, when you use accurate sensors like EMS to pick out incoming nukes, and launch a PYW equipped warhead, you eliminate the incoming. No side effects. No explosion.

Now, as for the policy, well, we don't have one. The only actions we've taken against imperialism was suspending one of our members. I think a sort of "list" should be established, one where nations besieged by imperialists can ask for help, or we could ask them if they wanted help. It's as simple as that. Imperialism isn't going to stop if we sit on our thumbs and argue about our own members.

I'll make sure to look into it tonight while I'm still active and awake, thank you Chancellor Sparrow. Should anyone have any objections I will not be signing any papers until we've had a few more nations post on this topic... but I'm sure everyones happy with it.

May I ask what your experiences are with this alliance? As well as some of the things you've done with them... I know this alliance hasn't had the chance to do much together but I'm sure we've all been doing things since we last talked.

Oh, and sorry again for that whole mess with the Dark Terror thing Chancellor, now I look back on it I feel a little silly for doubting your intentions.


On another note I would like to inform people that the "Vice President" position is still up for grabs should anyone want the position. You get to have the words "Vice President of the NAIA" by your name and you are allow to let people into the alliance.
Though part of this conference is so we can discuss issues like structure as well so I'm sure I can be more specific to the Vice Presidents job role later.


Meanwhile I think it's safe to say we've all been invovled in something over the past few months, so I'll be the first to say that as far as our NAIA goals are concerned I've managed to stop a couple wars and help in a few others... but otherwise I've not actually got into any conflicts recently. I am currently trying to help in the AZN's affairs (they are like the NAIA and they are run by East Islandia if I remeber correctly) though I've not been too active because of Christmas and all...


As for structure... is everyone happy with what we have now; a loose alliance in which we all stick to some basic rules and help each other out... or would we like something a little stronger?

Now, as for the policy, well, we don't have one. The only actions we've taken against imperialism was suspending one of our members. I think a sort of "list" should be established, one where nations besieged by imperialists can ask for help, or we could ask them if they wanted help. It's as simple as that. Imperialism isn't going to stop if we sit on our thumbs and argue about our own members.

I agree... it isn't going to stop if we sit here and argue and I'm sorry that happened, I know I'm meant to be more of a leader in this. But I think I've learned a far things since then.

Hm... otherwise I did try to set up an alarm thread, but the only responce I got was one people arguing about him being a "imperialist" and another looking to ally (despite the fact he GODMODED in another thread). I could do another and bump it during active times.

The word "list" also got me thinking about a list of imperialists for a second... but I'm not sure on the idea.

How do you mean list? I could understand if we had a thread for people to apply to but how would this "list" work?


Thanks for joining us New Empire, I wasn't sure how people felt about it, it's why I'm starting this thread... I am also looking to wake us all up because there are things brewing and I want the alliance to understand that we could do alot to help during this time.

New Empire, would your system be a little like this one that Iuthia uses...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1811013#1811013

Greetings fellow members,

I must admit that I thought this alliance was null but I am pleased to see it is still up and running. I must say due to circumstances within the Sambizie homewold and Earth forces, I haven't done much to "promote" anti-imperialism. My forces are fully activated and are currently engaged in several conflicts in and around Sambizie space, not to mention the Sambizie Peacekeeping force revolt against the Sambizie Empire.

I still hold true to the ideologies of the NAIA and will participate however, whenever I can. At this point, I can't promise any troops, equipment, or monetary support towards this alliance, as everything is being poured over the front lines. But, I can still give my word and alligence to the NAIA. I hope everyone understands our position.

Respectfully,
M. Uganda

Greetings fellow members,

I must admit that I thought this alliance was null but I am pleased to see it is still up and running. I must say due to circumstances within the Sambizie homewold and Earth forces, I haven't done much to "promote" anti-imperialism. My forces are fully activated and are currently engaged in several conflicts in and around Sambizie space, not to mention the Sambizie Peacekeeping force revolt against the Sambizie Empire.

I still hold true to the ideologies of the NAIA and will participate however, whenever I can. At this point, I can't promise any troops, equipment, or monetary support towards this alliance, as everything is being poured over the front lines. But, I can still give my word and alligence to the NAIA. I hope everyone understands our position.

Respectfully,
M. Uganda

Greetings fellow members,

I must admit that I thought this alliance was null but I am pleased to see it is still up and running. I must say due to circumstances within the Sambizie homewold and Earth forces, I haven't done much to "promote" anti-imperialism. My forces are fully activated and are currently engaged in several conflicts in and around Sambizie space, not to mention the Sambizie Peacekeeping force revolt against the Sambizie Empire.

I still hold true to the ideologies of the NAIA and will participate however, whenever I can. At this point, I can't promise any troops, equipment, or monetary support towards this alliance, as everything is being poured over the front lines. But, I can still give my word and alligence to the NAIA. I hope everyone understands our position.

Respectfully,
M. Uganda

Thats fair enough in my book M.Uganda, we have never demanded that member states assist the alliance in those ways, though it's always nice to be assisted when possible.

Eitherway we understand that each nation is independant and that you that your own politics and issues to deal with.

It's nice to hear you still beleive in the ideals of the alliance too... there has been alot of changes in the past few months and alot could have happened.

Thanks for the support, even if it's only verbal.

Do you have anything further to say, any suggestions to make or comments on the previous suggestions?

OOC
gg soon, so i gotta keep this short

IC

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In a video appearance from her offices in East Islandia, Vice Premier Park Hyemin, taking over in Premier Chai Jun's absence, had this to say to the NAIA:

"As always, the people of Islandia and Tropical Paradise region thank the NAIA for their continued support of the Azn Alliance. Currently, we cannot spare very many officials to send to the conference as we are embroiled, wiht our steadfast ally Agrigento, in a war against imperialistic Bonstock and facist, callous Red Tide on the island of Japan. Many of our citizens are of Japanese descent, and have taken an outrage to the conquering of their ancestral home; we who are not stand behind them, as we remember the vivid scars of imperialism too well.

"We come to ask your aid today in this conflict, and we pledge, with all our hearts, to be enemies of imperialism wherever it may stand. Thank you for your time, and Goodnight to the NAIA."

-press release from Fusion, the national newspaper of Islandia.

"There is not much for me to say, that my Islandian cohort has not already said. So instead of mimicker her words, and droning on, I wish to keep this short, and sweet, if such things can be considered sweet. The nation of Japan, a nation divided, imperialized and conquered since the time of Perry, is once again being threatened, used and pillaged. In good conscious we cannot stand by, especially since we had a large hand in its weakening to this point. While we will continue to fight, fight the good fight against the forces of oppression we ask for your help. If we are united there is no doubt that the forces of the Right and Just will prevail. Thank you for your time."
______________________

Dominic Somma
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
La Repubblica d'Agrigento

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ooc: Whatever the Alliance decides is for the best, upto you guys if you want to help. East Islandia and me, along with our AA allies should have this under control.

The PRC announces herewith that it will continue its membership in the NAIA. If your nations are members of our alliance and are threatened by foreign nations or domestic enemies we will provide military assistance. Please telegram us directly if you need our help.

This should however not be the only topic in the NAIA! We should try to overcome economic problems together and give economic help to the fellow member nations.

Well, I think from here on I'm in way too many threads... I mean I've got like three windows open and I keep having to post to keep up with what others are doing.

None the less though, I am going to support East Islandia and Agrigento in their war... once I've got the time to post something big (my GF is talking to me alot on YIM so I get drawn out of big posts)...

Anyways, thanks Crosshill for your continued support, and I think the idea of mutual protection in both Military and Economic matters is a grand idea.

Now, I've pointed out that were are against Imperialism and that we define imperialism as...

The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

Now, this definition was taken from Dictionary.com and it can mean a great deal of things, however... each possible meaning of this sentance ulimately could be done to a damaging extent, each could be dangerous and as such it is up to each member nation to judge how a certain action is affecting a nation and then react accordingly.

As you are aware, Imperialism can be a great many things, from economic dominance of a nation to the physical invasion of a nation in order to make it part of your own.

However, the definition is very broad and I covered all of it in our alliance because imperialism is often not as simple as black and white. It is great many shades of grey from light to dark. We are simply trying to cover the dark patches the best we can.

Anyways, back to the definition of imperialism. Let us examine this part of the definition: "The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition"

Now this could be interpreted in several ways but let me make it simple by cuting it down to three cases.

1. Invasion, a nation invades another in the hope of increasing it's territories and thus increasing its power in the world. This could include invasion and government change in such a way that your own people leading their nation change their policy... idealy we are against both versions.

2. Deal, a nation could aquire terrority though a peaceful (or not so peaceful) deal over a disputed piece of land, this can be done fairly or with pressure... but it would depend on the situation. Eitherway we are against situations which are forced unjustly, though it would require a large amount of insight into the situation.

3. Colonies, a nation could find a piece of land yet un-inhabited by sentient creatures and then set up a colony to inhabit the island and increase their territory which in turn increases their power. However this is not always the case and some nations wipe out the indiginous population in order to support their own colonies. We are against anything which takes land from another set of people, un-inhabited territorial acquisition through a colony should not be bother by us, however in the case of taking land from others that is to be opposed by us.


As you can see, just this part alone tells us that many different versions of Imperialists exist, some can so things legitmatly, some can't. It's up to us to judge which of those are not a threat to others and then defend against the rest. to attack anything with the word "Imperialist" on it would be foolish. To define imperialism in simple terms would also be foolish and would make us look ignorant to the many forms it can take.

I may resay this in a more understanding way in the future and include it in our starting posts, I think we need to make it clear that we are not opposed to legitmate territorial acquisition, don't you?



Does everyone like this line of thinking concerning Imperialism? Or does the alliance require something more specific?

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Well as you stated, the very definition is not "black and white". Infact the grey area is so big, we tend to "evaluate" imperialism and imperilistic acts, on a case by case basis.

"The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations."

To the point: Do we, the Sambizie oppose the policy of extending our borders "through" military acquisition? Yes Do we, the Sambizie oppose the policy of establishing economic and political stress over other nations? Yes

We feel the question lies within, "extending a nation's authority..". Many nation's "extend" authority in different ways. Either through the military, economical sanctions, etc...Now if the "goal" is "territorial acquisition", either through military or economical means, which will only benifit the agressor, I would have to say that is Imperialism.

All in all, our "official" stance is that; "We are opposed to any nation enforcing their political and economical beliefs upon self-governing and sovergn nations." "Thusly, we oppose any nation who extends their territory through such enforcements".

Thankyou... your views have been noted...

Your view of Imperialism, "We are opposed to any nation enforcing their political and economical beliefs upon self-governing and sovergn nations." this seems to cover how I feel and I may concider using this as a more clear definition of the Imperialism we are against.

Thankyou.

As far as we are concernde we can live with that.

The Following is a transmission to NAIA members Only!

Open Communication--Sambizie National Security HQ

TO: President, NAIA-Iuthia
C.C. NAIA Members

I, Emperor Mwto'ar Uganda stand before you today, to outline the decessions made today. After careful investigation of the Sambizie Intelligence Division, we have hightened our National Security level to "orange" and are preparing for a State of War. In hindsight, we feel that a threat to our security policies is imminent.

Recently, Regional Members of:
GCON
World Factbook Entry: Global Coalition of Nations stands for fighting for what is right. We will conquer all till the land is red with blood and fire! "Without God GCON would not have grown so well." A New Age Has Dawned In GCON, It Is The Age Of The Triarchy!

and A Corp
World Factbook Entry: This is a terrorist region. Now ,the main goal to this nation is to destroy all UN members but we will be attacking many that oppose us. I know now it is small, but in time we will have eneuogh power to overrun the UN. we are aware that there are many UN members out there and have stratigically targeted the primary delegates. If we can destroy the major UN members the smaller nations will most likely loose interest of the UN if you no what I mean. This region shares all supplies and will always be there to defend another ones nation.

Have enforced these beliefs and practices through "Land Aquisition", "Economical Disruption", and "Political Beliefs" upon the sovergn Region Of The Kingdom of Mindlands. This is known to be true by the disruption of Sambizie Shipping Lanes. Though we are NOT members of the United Nations, we feel the action's of A Corp and GCON against "UN" members, have also effected many Sovergn Nations directly and indirectly.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119895

The decession to mobilize did not come easy. We feel that the course of action taken by GCON and A Corp must be detered, as their actions not only affect UN nations but that of the Sambizie as well.

We only ask that the NAIA Members understand our position and decession to stand by our brethern of APTO, two of which are NAIA members,(New Genoa and New Empire). We further ask you to evaluate the circumstances and define the actions of GCON and A Corp, and we trust you will see that our cause is just.

Respectfully,
Emperor Mwto'ar Uganda
CEO/Aero-Tech/IVA Industries
-APTO-
-NATO-
-NAIA-
-UTP-
-TFA-
-LFW-

Close Communication

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Understood, Iuthia will support your morally for the time being, though we may be willing to assist with logistics should you require it.

Understood, Iuthia will support your morally for the time being, though we may be willing to assist with logistics should you require it.

OOC: Thanks Iuthai...as it turns out, the amount of numberwanking uberness will most likely keep me from taking any type of action other than -Ignore- :wink:

BTW: Any offers for the "VP" Position? How about a vote?

With the lack of interest in the newly resurrected NAIA alliance as of late I would rather wait to see if it will get any better before I get a new VP for the alliance. However, you can be "acting VP" for the time being, if the alliance stays like this I'll make it perminant.

Maybe the alliance would be more active if we went out and did something.

Maybe the alliance would be more active if we went out and did something.

Intervention? :lol:

Well thats the point of this thread, to learn what our members want, to give them something to say and talk about and to figure out where this alliance is going.

Personally, I feel I'm doing my bit now... a ally asked for help because he was opposing a Imperialist, I declared my asistance. It isn't up to me to tell you to help.

I know I've been lazy and that I've failed to capitalise on the buzz we got in early December, but I've tried... now I want to know where to go next, I want help from you guys because without your help it's just me...

I have no idea... sigh to tell the truth, we were a bit unclear on what we could and couldnt do, and what defines imperialist and nonimperialist.

And these situations are, never really black and white as everyone knows...

It would be a good thing if all members of the NAIA would be listet in the first post.

Try the link in this signature... though I think half of them are not interested in the alliance any more, we've been inactive for a while and it's pretty much a mutual defence alliance now really...

You know, a reason to defend an old friend and what not...

Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
President of the NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75900&highlight=)

Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
OOC Information on Iuthia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109898&highlight=)

Ahh thanks a lot. This was really use full. If a Hallad vs Shildonia war really will start we will be devided. What do you think about an emergency meeting on that issue?

I'm not going to get involved nor am I going to drag the NAIA into it... it was a mess from the start and I'll be damned if I'm going to be assoiated with either Shildonia or "the International".