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The Detailed Military Calculator!

The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:11
Well, now that you're here, why don't you read these messages before clicking the link :)

I'd like to thank whoever it was in The Citizens Defence Alliance who made the original version of this calculator, but I must say, you were a little sloppy in how you made it :).

Now! For the public:

This is a revamped version of The Citizens Defence Alliance's Military Calculator.

This is the latest (And only) version of their calculator on the entire nationstates board.

A message to whoever made the Point Based Military Calculator (Or anyone who can pass this to him/her):

I believe we could benefit from working together on a better calculator. Please telegram me if you accept :)

Now! To Run D.M.C. (Hee Hee ^_^)
http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/DMC.xls

And now a word from my sponsor (Who has kindly added a division of his site AND a mirror for the DMC). The page contains a F.A.Q. to help you on your way to a better, more realistic military!

http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.

Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)
Layarteb
18-01-2004, 07:12
This page is not available
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:13
Noooo!!!
Give me a minute, gotta find a new host..
18-01-2004, 07:13
I tried another nationstates calculator and it was'nt there either all though I went to that one many times.
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:16
Hoy, all you have to do is right-click and hit "save target as" DL it to you desktop and run it with excel or Openoffice.

It's a really good calc, and is error free. (Yes, I am the beta tester.)
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:16
Don't worry, all I need to do is find me a new host ^_^
This one works from the geocities file manager link, and in instant messanger links, but not forums X_X

Just hold on!!
Credonia
18-01-2004, 07:16
link works great for me
Credonia
18-01-2004, 07:17
Try right clicking then clicking "save target as"
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:17
Don't worry, all I need to do is find me a new host ^_^
This one works from the geocities file manager link, and in instant messanger links, but not forums X_X

Just hold on!!

This is the hundreth post of the monolith builders... That's kinda funny in a sick way.


Credonia: I just said that.
Credonia
18-01-2004, 07:19
oh lol....well its one in the morning and i aint been to sleep yet so pardon me if im a bit......slow lol
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:20
Gee, thanks Pad :)

Im being serious, I dont have to find a new host!!

Please, give me feedback on my calc!!
18-01-2004, 07:20
How do you work the thing.....
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:21
oh lol....well its one in the morning and i aint been to sleep yet so pardon me if im a bit......slow lol

Yeah it's 1:20 here, If I hadn't just showered my posts would end up being just one long type-o.
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 07:21
link works great for me Nope nope nope, Tried to open and got Error, tried to DL and got the same... Gues we'll just ahve to wait :?
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:22
link works great for me Nope nope nope, Tried to open and got Error, tried to DL and got the same... Gues we'll just ahve to wait :?

What's your browser?
18-01-2004, 07:22
How do you work it...... :evil:
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:23
How do you work it...... :evil:

Hold on, I'm co-laberating with the Monolith Builders on how to best anwser you.
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:25
How do you work the thing.....

Well, in the red box, you put your total population (Say, 1000000000 [No commas!]) and then put the percent of your population in the military in the box below it (0.3 - 0.5 is a good number for those in the all-consuming and powerhouse sectors).

Then, go down to level 2 and 3 and fiddle with those digits, and then return to level 1, and your nation's militaries are calculated for you!
All you have to do is figure out how many vehicles you have :D
18-01-2004, 07:25
Thank You :o
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:26
You have your answer :)
Have fun!
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 07:26
link works great for me Nope nope nope, Tried to open and got Error, tried to DL and got the same... Gues we'll just ahve to wait :?

What's your browser? The latest eddition of Interenet Explore... Of course Im also running on a Mac, Isn't there some rule about running those two together thats bad Karma or something?
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:28
link works great for me Nope nope nope, Tried to open and got Error, tried to DL and got the same... Gues we'll just ahve to wait :?

What's your browser? The latest eddition of Interenet Explore... Of course Im also running on a Mac, Isn't there some rule about running those two together thats bad Karma or something?

Do you have a copy of either Microsoft Excel or OpenOffice?
Those are the two mediums you need to view the file, which could be your problem.
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 07:29
link works great for me Nope nope nope, Tried to open and got Error, tried to DL and got the same... Gues we'll just ahve to wait :?

What's your browser? The latest eddition of Interenet Explore... Of course Im also running on a Mac, Isn't there some rule about running those two together thats bad Karma or something?

There is that. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be working with you... I don't do this for nearly anyone but... Do you have AIM and are direct file transfers enabled?
Credonia
18-01-2004, 07:29
you can use MS Works Spreadsheet as well
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:32
As for you people who have actually used it already, what are your thoughts on it?

Anything I could add to it to improve it?
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 07:32
Yea I do... ANd I think I actually DL another version of this a while ago, worked really well too! had a bunch of lists for Navy, iAirforce, Psions <if you were a Magic Nation> Had all these adjustable setteings on it..
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:33
Yea I do... ANd I think I actually DL another version of this a while ago, worked really well too! had a bunch of lists for Navy, iAirforce, Psions <if you were a Magic Nation> Had all these adjustable setteings on it..

That's the Point Based Military Calculator :)

I would like to work with the creator of it to make the Ultimate Military Calculator

:)
Verboten Lufftewaffe
18-01-2004, 07:37
I like it...
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 07:42
Well, if what you have is Similar to what I already got, then yours Must be really good :wink:
Anarresa
18-01-2004, 07:44
very good! i love it
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:48
Well, if what you have is Similar to what I already got, then yours Must be really good :wink:

You made the PBMC?
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 07:52
Oh! Oh my heavens no! Im just saying I was able to sucsefully Download and use that one
18-01-2004, 07:53
I think its very detailed, and a lot of effort obviously went into it. Good job :D
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 07:53
Oh! Oh my heavens no! Im just saying I was able to sucsefully Download and use that one

Ahh ^_^

Thank you! Thank you ALL for your kind words!
BUT I WANT HARSH ONES! What can I do to improve on it?!
18-01-2004, 08:01
Holy shit, dude, amazing!

Anyways, now for some constructive criticism:

Add # of units i.e aircraft, tanks, APCs, etc. That's all I can think of. Again: amazing job, man. Great work.

--note: all OOC

-Thanks.
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 08:02
*Does happy dance*

Whats better then having one highly detailed Military calculator? having TWO! yes I finally was able to DL! I;lll give crtics after a bit of testing :D

EDIT: However... after going over it.. is there anyplace to acount for things like Economy? 'Strong' 'Weak' 'thriving' Etc? As well as a mini 'GNP calculator so we can adjust what we have to how much we spend?
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 08:06
http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.

Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)



Monolith please edit the above to be on the front page.
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 08:06
Holy shit, dude, amazing!

Anyways, now for some constructive criticism:

Add # of units i.e aircraft, tanks, APCs, etc. That's all I can think of. Again: amazing job, man. Great work.

--note: all OOC

-Thanks.

I'll see what I can do about that. But it will need a bit more input from the user (Amount of pilots needed to operate it.). It's still a little open for godmodders to exploit (But they could only use enough vehicles they have troops to operate :) )

I'd also like to thank Padmasa for the mirror :)
18-01-2004, 08:09
Of course, I am in no way saying that you must do as suggested, simply doing the above stated... suggesting. I know it would take a larger amount of effort than the ludicrious amount (I'm guessing) you have already spent on this wonderful calculator. Until then, good luck, and nice work.

-Again, all OOC.
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 08:14
Of course, I am in no way saying that you must do as suggested, simply doing the above stated... suggesting. I know it would take a larger amount of effort than the ludicrious amount (I'm guessing) you have already spent on this wonderful calculator. Until then, good luck, and nice work.

-Again, all OOC.

Starting work on it now :)
18-01-2004, 08:16
Jesuscristo, talk about punctual. xD
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 08:22
Main options I'd like to add:
Tech Level
Economy Size
Human Rights Level

And perhaps some sort of 'Tally' on your forces. after all all as Nifty as this is.. all it is really showing is the Raw 'People' in your armed forces.
Biotopia
18-01-2004, 08:40
wow very cool
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 08:51
Main options I'd like to add:
Tech Level
Economy Size
Human Rights Level

And perhaps some sort of 'Tally' on your forces. after all all as Nifty as this is.. all it is really showing is the Raw 'People' in your armed forces.

Okay, couple things:

Monolith has reported that the top three cannot be done at this point. We will remember them and think about a way to use them but at this point there's no need/way to add them.

Secondly, please explain what you mean by a tally. Neither of us can figure out what you want done.
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 09:30
Okay, couple things:

Monolith has reported that the top three cannot be done at this point. We will remember them and think about a way to use them but at this point there's no need/way to add them.

Secondly, please explain what you mean by a tally. Neither of us can figure out what you want done.

Ah, Ok, Sorry if I missed comments saying the first things couldn't be done in your program, As for the 'Tally' This too may not be fiesable, But I was thinking of a breakdown of actual forces, in something like:
"Ok, this is how many people you have in These things, so this is how many Tanks, Battle ships, and Aircraft you could possibly have"

Or maybe thats something for a different program? make a list like:
Carrier
Battleship
Crusier
Destroyer
Corvette
And then have a feed in that would give us a number of how many of each (taking into account our size) we could support.
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 09:35
Okay, couple things:

Monolith has reported that the top three cannot be done at this point. We will remember them and think about a way to use them but at this point there's no need/way to add them.

Secondly, please explain what you mean by a tally. Neither of us can figure out what you want done.

Ah, Ok, Sorry if I missed comments saying the first things couldn't be done in your program, As for the 'Tally' This too may not be fiesable, But I was thinking of a breakdown of actual forces, in something like:
"Ok, this is how many people you have in These things, so this is how many Tanks, Battle ships, and Aircraft you could possibly have"

Or maybe thats something for a different program? make a list like:
Carrier
Battleship
Crusier
Destroyer
Corvette
And then have a feed in that would give us a number of how many of each (taking into account our size) we could support.

Okay, we have something similar right nowl. You have to enter how much crew a ship has, the name of the ship, and how many you want. It will tell you how much crew you have left over for other ships and thus tell you how many of each ship you have... we have done this with tanks, mechs, fighters bombers. Also The infantry and everyhting else is organized into divisons with spots for specialty men such as rangers and snipers so I unless I'm wrong we've got everything you wanted.
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 09:46
Alright! Version 1a has been completed!
The features added are:

A system to accurately calculate the amount of vehicles/ships/aircraft/Mecha you can have with your military's size!
Unfortunately, I do not know how to work with GDP or any of that, which is why I need the help of the person
who made the Point based military calculator.

Oh yeah! For those of us who do not use mecha, but wish to use the extra 10 slots for amoured vehicles
use these instructions:

1. Double click on the F102 cell.
2. Highlight I15
3. Replace I15 with N97
4. Press Enter/Return.


Here is the Geocities link: http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/DMCv1a.xls
Here is the Thundercorp sponsored link: http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.
Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)

I'd also like to thank everyone out there for your input (Not much, but you got your first update ^_^) and Padmasa for his mirror AND for relaying my messages whilst I was slaving away over V1a :)

You rock Pad!

TMB
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 09:48
Okay, we have something similar right nowl. You have to enter how much crew a ship has, the name of the ship, and how many you want. It will tell you how much crew you have left over for other ships and thus tell you how many of each ship you have... we have done this with tanks, mechs, fighters bombers. Also The infantry and everyhting else is organized into divisons with spots for specialty men such as rangers and snipers so I unless I'm wrong we've got everything you wanted. Ah I see, Is this with the program I just DL? Or is it something seperate?
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 09:49
Okay, we have something similar right nowl. You have to enter how much crew a ship has, the name of the ship, and how many you want. It will tell you how much crew you have left over for other ships and thus tell you how many of each ship you have... we have done this with tanks, mechs, fighters bombers. Also The infantry and everyhting else is organized into divisons with spots for specialty men such as rangers and snipers so I unless I'm wrong we've got everything you wanted. Ah I see, Is this with the program I just DL? Or is it something seperate?

It's all in the latest version :)

DMC V1a!
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 09:50
Ah I see, Is this with the program I just DL? Or is it something seperate?

It's the updated version of what you just DLed
18-01-2004, 09:52
Scha-schwa.

Real smooth, you two, real smooth. Looks great, amazing job with the touch ups. I say we put something in motion to get every nation to use one of these (yes, I know, probably won't work, but I can hope... and cry ;_;).
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 09:56
Scha-schwa.

Real smooth, you two, real smooth. Looks great, amazing job with the touch ups. I say we put something in motion to get every nation to use one of these (yes, I know, probably won't work, but I can hope... and cry ;_;).

Probably, but it would be cool if we could manage it... hell work this into NS 2 and give mono and I free life-time memberships to it for making this. :wink:

Hell, I think now is the point we call out modalert and beg them to put this on a sticky or make this a sticky or some such. so that everyone sees it. It would really cut down on the godmodding n00bs if they would just use this for their armies.
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 09:58
Scha-schwa.

Real smooth, you two, real smooth. Looks great, amazing job with the touch ups. I say we put something in motion to get every nation to use one of these (yes, I know, probably won't work, but I can hope... and cry ;_; ).

I'm amazed at the positive response to my calculator! Thank you for the kind words, and I would like to get people to give their input!

We might even get this thread in a "These thread are a must" mega sticky :)

Ah yes, just something to add:

There is a Mechanised Infantry vehicle needs equation below the Ground Vehicles section.

TMB
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 10:05
Whoa :shock:

Just finished playing around with the latest version and must say my Hat is oof to you guys! very well done.

Buuuut...

What goes in all the spots with '######' Or is that the next next version?
Siosia
18-01-2004, 10:08
There is a small error in the aircraft section. For the pilots available cell, you have I25 listed in the formula when it should be I26. Also, for some reason the secondary sets for Aircraft and Naval Vessels don't seem to be working.

Other than that, great job!
Lapse
18-01-2004, 10:12
What goes in all the spots with '######' Or is that the next next version?

it means the cell isnt wide enough. go up the top of that column to the a|b|c|d
and drag the divider on the right of the cell until it displays a value



and is it possible to include a space forces part of military
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 10:20
There is a small error in the aircraft section. For the pilots available cell, you have I25 listed in the formula when it should be I26. Also, for some reason the secondary sets for Aircraft and Naval Vessels don't seem to be working.

:shock: I better go fix that, but the seconday set of Aircraft and Naval vessels were working for me. I'll see if I can fix that too :)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:12 am Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Crossroads Inc wrote:
What goes in all the spots with '######' Or is that the next next version?


it means the cell isnt wide enough. go up the top of that column to the a|b|c|d
and drag the divider on the right of the cell until it displays a value



and is it possible to include a space forces part of military



Thank you for clearing that up for him, and, space forces can be placed under the "Naval" section, maybe later, when we get a bit more demand for it, we will make an entirely new division of the military for space fleets, but, unfortunately, you'll have to use the other bits and pieces to create your space military :(

Just tinker around with the current version and you'll be set, thats the best I can do A.T.M., sorry :(

TMB.
Final Fantasians
18-01-2004, 10:24
I can't seem to go on the web site :cry: :cry: :cry:
Crossroads Inc
18-01-2004, 10:29
I can't seem to go on the web site :cry: :cry: :cry: OK, this is what I did to fix it, Now, I don't know WHY this works, but it does...

Copy manually the Text for the Web-Link, the paste it in your 'Goto' box... That should bring you to the page.

P.S. I know you guys are busy right now and all, But I think I found an Error...

I started putting in Crew sizies and amounts for my Naval ships, and All of a sudden I get Negative Crewmembers.. I should have close to 5mil left in reserves, but when I input something ike
Battle ship
2000 shipmen
120 Command crew
20 ships

I get negative results under Remaining Seaman Available
The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 10:37
Alright, revamped version is coming online in a second!

Please, all who have downloaded v1a download the NEW version 1 a :)

Thank you to Siosa for pointing out these MAJOR flaws. Beta testing shall be a bit more thorough before the next release!

It's the same link as before ( http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/DMCv1a.xls )

I'm thinking of setting up a redirect site, it might fix these problems of not getting to the calculator.

Once again, thanks to Siosa for pointing out these flaws!
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 10:38
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The Monolith Builders
18-01-2004, 10:38
I can't seem to go on the web site :cry: :cry: :cry: OK, this is what I did to fix it, Now, I don't know WHY this works, but it does...

Copy manually the Text for the Web-Link, the paste it in your 'Goto' box... That should bring you to the page.

P.S. I know you guys are busy right now and all, But I think I found an Error...

I started putting in Crew sizies and amounts for my Naval ships, and All of a sudden I get Negative Crewmembers.. I should have close to 5mil left in reserves, but when I input something ike
Battle ship
2000 shipmen
120 Command crew
20 ships

I get negative results under Remaining Seaman Available

Try it with the latest version, I am pretty sure it fixed this problem.
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 10:39
Alright, revamped version is coming online in a second!

Please, all who have downloaded v1a download the NEW version 1 a :)

Thank you to Siosa for pointing out these MAJOR flaws. Beta testing shall be a bit more thorough before the next release!

It's the same link as before ( http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/DMCv1a.xls )

I'm thinking of setting up a redirect site, it might fix these problems of not getting to the calculator.

Once again, thanks to Siosa for pointing out these flaws!

As usual the Thundercorp Mirror already has the latest version and now includes FAQs. Keep those questions coming, I need that FAQ section to be long and impressive. :evil:
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 11:36
Bump

As both myself and Monolith are heading off for the night, we'll leave the DMC with a firm bumping.

Keep DLing, asking questions, and if you wanta keep this bumped for us we'd be thankful enough to add ya to our beta tester list (If we ever have it to the point of needing a true beta.)
Lauda
18-01-2004, 11:45
OOC - Brilliant bit of work, I might try and make it better for you !

Kev
Final Fantasians
18-01-2004, 12:43
It didn't work :cry: :cry:
I must need some new programs...
Verboten Lufftewaffe
18-01-2004, 15:49
.........Ohhhhh yeah.......Just got better
Padmasa
18-01-2004, 23:26
Bump.

What does everyone want added to the DMC? We are thinking about ways of adding something to do with your economy and mabybe national budget ect... But we need to know what else you want.
Eredron
18-01-2004, 23:40
Nice job!

As for ideas, probably asking too much, but it would be a neat feature if it estimated the annual cost of maintaining your military, and perhaps allowing you to put in your military budget, have it subtract the cost, and give the amount of surplus left over.
Padmasa
19-01-2004, 00:08
Nice job!

As for ideas, probably asking too much, but it would be a neat feature if it estimated the annual cost of maintaining your military, and perhaps allowing you to put in your military budget, have it subtract the cost, and give the amount of surplus left over.

You are probably asking too much, but ya know what we'll give it a try and see what we can do. Actually, we could do that pretty easily for the battleships, tanks, ect. It would just be hard to work it into the infantry/other troops as everyone spends different amounts training them and on equipment... So yeah, we'll see what we can do.
The Evil Overlord
19-01-2004, 00:09
I think you may have problems. I keep getting a "This Page is Not Available" message whenever I click on the link. I am running the latest version of Internet Exploder, and I have all of the Office programs- including Excel.

BTW, the creator of the PBMC is Sunset.


TEO
Padmasa
19-01-2004, 00:23
I think you may have problems. I keep getting a "This Page is Not Available" message whenever I click on the link. I am running the latest version of Internet Exploder, and I have all of the Office programs- including Excel.

BTW, the creator of the PBMC is Sunset.


TEO

Have you tried the Thundercorp mirror? Also have you tried copying the url into the go to box manually?
The Monolith Builders
19-01-2004, 00:27
I think you may have problems. I keep getting a "This Page is Not Available" message whenever I click on the link. I am running the latest version of Internet Exploder, and I have all of the Office programs- including Excel.

BTW, the creator of the PBMC is Sunset.


TEO

Thaannkkk you!
As for the link not working, I'll give you a link to my sponsor's mirror!
This is the geocities one:
http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/DMCv1a.xls

And here's the generic Sponsor link :)

http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.

Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)

If neither of these work, just right click and "save target as" or copy the geocities URL, then go to your homepage and paste it in the URL bar.

Hope this helps,

TMB


Nice job!

As for ideas, probably asking too much, but it would be a neat feature if it estimated the annual cost of maintaining your military, and perhaps allowing you to put in your military budget, have it subtract the cost, and give the amount of surplus left over.

I'll see what I can do, I think it's a most definite possibility. But it'll take longer than it did to make v1a. :)

Keep checking back for updates :)

TMB.
The Evil Overlord
19-01-2004, 00:42
Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs?

I got through, finally. Thanks for the assist.

I assume that the PowInf listing is for soldiers in powered armor? Is MechSupport a listing for mechanics and other logistical personnel or something related to Mechwarrior?

<IC>
Evil Overlord Enterprises manufactures and maintains its own military equipment, but thanks for offering. For security purposes, EOE does not sell this equipment unless it has been replaced by improved equipment. EOE does not operate a storefront, so we are not in competition.
The Evil Overlord
19-01-2004, 00:53
Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs?

I got through, finally. Thanks for the assist.

I assume that the PowInf listing is for soldiers in powered armor? Is MechSupport a listing for mechanics and other logistical personnel or something related to Mechwarrior?

<IC>
Evil Overlord Enterprises manufactures and maintains its own military equipment, but thanks for offering. For security purposes, EOE does not sell this equipment unless it has been replaced by improved equipment. EOE does not operate a storefront, so we are not in competition.
19-01-2004, 00:58
http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.

Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)

I tried Padmasa's calculator. It sucks! I tried it. However, it gives way too many crew members to vehicles. I end up with 3,000,000.4 left over drivers for vehicles and about 10 million too little infantry.
Padmasa
19-01-2004, 01:03
Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs?

I got through, finally. Thanks for the assist.

I assume that the PowInf listing is for soldiers in powered armor? Is MechSupport a listing for mechanics and other logistical personnel or something related to Mechwarrior?

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Evil Overlord Enterprises manufactures and maintains its own military equipment, but thanks for offering. For security purposes, EOE does not sell this equipment unless it has been replaced by improved equipment. EOE does not operate a storefront, so we are not in competition.

OOC: I made him put that link in as I am also giving up part of my site for the DMC. PowInf does refer to Armoured Infantry, yes. And Mechsupport refers tot eh support crews for Mecha or mechs. (SO yes it is Mechwarrior related.

You don't have a storefront, then where to you list any custome made equipment. For surely if you jsut ahve it ina word document people could say you just made it and call it L33T, if I don't want it sold I just say so under cost.


NANKALAND: It's the EXACT SAME calc as the one Monolith has hosted on geocities... Are you sure it isn't a human error? I mean did you play around with the stats so everything works our the way you wanted it to or did you just instantly come here to tell us that it doesn't work the way you want it to on the first go? If you are just going with the default army built I can see where that would happen, but if you actually do a little work and change the default % of army as infantry and % of army as drivers there should be no problem.
Padmasa
19-01-2004, 01:35
Alright guys, I'm sorry to do this and will probably delete this post later but right now I'm launching into a rant. Some of you know it, I'm sure. And this is an old one, one repeated a thousand times a cross mod/editor forums.

Nanakaland, or anyone else really, because I'm sure he's not the only one who wants to say something like that. I must say that I'm sorry. In fact, you deserve a full refund. But wait, Monolith and and I made the DMC and put it out for everyone's use for FREE. We did this out of good will, using our time and energy not expecting thanks or cash or anything of the like. And then we are told "It Sucks" that's not constructive, if it was I'd be thanking you for helping us to make this a better device, that's basically flaming and there's no need for that. So you know what, when someone makes something, puts it out for your use and doesn't ask for anything from you, please, remain civil and don't attack us. We don't need that.

Also, I ask you, can you make a better version using just a copy of excel and one night's worth of work without working off of what we already have? Probably not. So, you know what, don't tell us it's bad. If you couldn't make better then you are in no position to tell us it's bad work. By the by, what are we being compared to? What piece of sofware have you made or used that is better than ours? Hoy, maybe you can make better, hell maybe you should since we are obviously so inept as to be unable to make something worth using.

Finally, and this is also common to these rants. Don't use our device. If you don't like it, don't use it and don't tell us about it. Honestly, who's forcing you to use it? No one! So, why do you feel the need to attack us and it if you don't have to use it? I don't know, I'm not even sure if you know.

Again, I'm sorry everyone, particularly to you Mono. I'll delete this post later, after people read it.
Eredron
19-01-2004, 03:15
Nice job!

As for ideas, probably asking too much, but it would be a neat feature if it estimated the annual cost of maintaining your military, and perhaps allowing you to put in your military budget, have it subtract the cost, and give the amount of surplus left over.

You are probably asking too much, but ya know what we'll give it a try and see what we can do. Actually, we could do that pretty easily for the battleships, tanks, ect. It would just be hard to work it into the infantry/other troops as everyone spends different amounts training them and on equipment... So yeah, we'll see what we can do.

I think there might be an easy way to do it. First, add the ability to put in your military budget; then provide a column to insert the annual cost of maintenance for each vehicle(a figure easily obtained from several websites, namely fas.org). Average salary could be broken down into enlisted and officer, or something to that effect.
Padmasa
19-01-2004, 03:16
Aye, it was only the salaries of men and the training/arming costs that would cause difficulty.
Fooplatington
19-01-2004, 05:03
Ederon, I was thinking along those lines, but making it alot easier for the user. I've been contemplating putting in a miniature GDP calculator.

I've also been thinking about a "Weapons of Mass Destruction" section, the amount and type of WMD a nation "could" have. It'd rely on factors such as military budget, age of the nation, what their main industry is, whether they have a nuclear reactor, how much they are using on their R&D.

But this feature won't be in for a while yet ^_^

But the military budget thingie will be soon (I hope), I'll put a beta up on the new site (! http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/Home.htm <-- WOoT!) when it's done.

But for now, look at the new site, and be amazed at how crap it is!
The Evil Overlord
19-01-2004, 05:12
You don't have a storefront, then where to you list any custome made equipment. For surely if you jsut ahve it ina word document people could say you just made it and call it L33T, if I don't want it sold I just say so under cost.

I usually post unique items in the thread, "Copyright your project". If I have something that's not particularly unique, I publish a press release announcing the production of whatever the equipment is. All such press releases are copied into my hard drive, complete with dates and links.

Since I primarily play Modern Tech, very little of my equipment can be considered GodModing. I use the various calculators as guidelines for managing my very large military.

This is also a security measure. Someone who just looks at the text description of my country will have no idea what sort of hornet's nest they'd be facing in the event of war. A prospective opponent would be well advised to read just about every one of my posts to figure out what I have and how its used (far more important), since I insist on realistic roleplaying- especially logistics.


TEO
Eredron
19-01-2004, 16:49
I was fiddling with the calculator and noticed what I believe to be a problem in the naval vessel section.

To determine the number of seamen available, the calculator will multiply the number of crewmen on a ship, times the number of ships, and subtract that from the previous amount of seamen available.

However, for the command crew, it simply takes the number of command crew needed for a ship, and subtracts it from the previous amount available. It doesn't multiply the number of command crew needed times the number of ships, which is what it should do.

I also noticed that in N160, which is supposed to determine the number of command crew available, it is using the formula =F198-I160. This formula subtracts the number of command crew needed from the number of seamen available. I think the formula should be =F197-I160.
Eredron
19-01-2004, 16:53
I also noticed a problem with F182, which is supposed to give you the number of seamen available.

To calculate this, it is doing this: =((I85-(C182*C180)))

I85 is for the number of a certain ground vehicle desired.
The Monolith Builders
17-02-2004, 11:36
Well, now that you're here, why don't you read these messages before clicking the link :)

This is the latest (And only) version of their calculator on the entire nationstates board.

Version 1b contains some minor bug fixes that some people have been waiting for-for a while

Now! To Run D.M.C. (Hee Hee ^_^) Visit home and then click the link that doesn't say "Currently Out of Date".
http://www.geocities.com/wuntokk/Home.htm

And now a word from my sponsor (Who has kindly added a division of his site AND a mirror for the DMC). The page contains a F.A.Q. to help you on your way to a better, more realistic military!

http://www.freewebs.com/thundercorp/dmc.htm This is the DMC official mirror. If you can't get it to work on the first link try, here. Seriously, only try here as a last resort as I don't like my bandwith getting eaten.

Also while you're there why don't you check out Thundercorp Arms for all your infantry weapons needs? Here's the thread for sales: Thundercorp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67463&highlight=)
Padmasa
17-02-2004, 19:30
The Thundercorp Link will re-appear soon. Please use only Monolith's link for now. Sorry for the trouble this may cause but...
The Monolith Builders
18-02-2004, 08:09
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The Monolith Builders
22-02-2004, 09:26
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Date:

Sunday, 22nd February, 2004
6:29pm Australian EST.