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How mutch for 35 of them?

But...wouldnt turning something into a gas make it BIGGER?

But...wouldnt turning something into a gas make it BIGGER?

Yea I think he's right, cos when something turns into a gas it actually expands (just did particles in science).

Good idea though.

but then if you try to compact it into a war head , logically it turn back into liquid

Why can't people do a little, god forbid, research, into the actual possibilities instead of pulling ideas from the nether regions. And anyways a gaseous form of something like Uranium 235 or some such nuclear fuel would be incredibly unstable and would make deployment impossible. and yes, I DO mean impossible.

I figure (not being a nuclear scientist) that the best way to make a better nuke would be using a liquified or solidified form of Ununwhateverium, the gas at the end of the periodic table, it IS the heaviest element on the planet, and from what little I know, density is one of the keys to a big boom.
I also 'know' that you can make basicaly anything into a nuke, but it requires more force to get it to critical mass with less dense materials...imagine...the wooden A-bomb O_O

Here it is:
Ununoctium
Standard state: presumably a gas at 298 K
Colour: unknown, but probably a colourless gas
Classification: Non-metallic
Three atoms of element 118 (ununoctium, Uuo) were synthesizesed by fusing krypton-86 (8636Kr) with lead-208 (20882Pb) in experiments conducted at at The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, (California, USA), The University of Calfornia (USA), and Oregon State University, Corvallis (USA). It is very shortlived and decomposes to element 116.

Element 118 nucleus decays less than a millisecond after its formation by emitting an a-particle. This results in an isotope of element 116 (mass number 289, containing 116 protons and 173 neutrons). This isotope of element 116, is also radioactive and undergoes further a-decay processes to an isotope of element 114 and so on down to at least element 106.

293118Uuo 289116Uuh + 42He (0.12 milliseconds)

289116Uuh 285114Uuq + 42He (0.60 milliseconds)

285114Uuq 281112Uub + 42He (0.58 milliseconds)

281112Uub 277110Uun + 42He (0.89 milliseconds)

277110Uun 273108Hs + 42He (3 milliseconds)

273108Hs 269106Sg + 42He (1200 milliseconds)
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So, im not sure if it would make a good bomb or not...It also appears that only three atoms of this element have ever existed, as far as we Earth creatures know, but if you happen to be capable of making enough...

Here it is:
Ununoctium
Standard state: presumably a gas at 298 K
Colour: unknown, but probably a colourless gas
Classification: Non-metallic
Three atoms of element 118 (ununoctium, Uuo) were synthesizesed by fusing krypton-86 (8636Kr) with lead-208 (20882Pb) in experiments conducted at at The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, (California, USA), The University of Calfornia (USA), and Oregon State University, Corvallis (USA). It is very shortlived and decomposes to element 116.

Element 118 nucleus decays less than a millisecond after its formation by emitting an a-particle. This results in an isotope of element 116 (mass number 289, containing 116 protons and 173 neutrons). This isotope of element 116, is also radioactive and undergoes further a-decay processes to an isotope of element 114 and so on down to at least element 106.

293118Uuo 289116Uuh + 42He (0.12 milliseconds)

289116Uuh 285114Uuq + 42He (0.60 milliseconds)

285114Uuq 281112Uub + 42He (0.58 milliseconds)

281112Uub 277110Uun + 42He (0.89 milliseconds)

277110Uun 273108Hs + 42He (3 milliseconds)

273108Hs 269106Sg + 42He (1200 milliseconds)
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So, im not sure if it would make a good bomb or not...It also appears that only three atoms of this element have ever existed, as far as we Earth creatures know, but if you happen to be capable of making enough...

Where'd you get that info? I'm not saying its wrong, but I would love to get a look at the research data.

According to my calculations it would take an incredible amount of that in order to make a nuclear chain reaction. I am unsure as to the yield though. So in that case, theoretically, it may be possible.

I figure (not being a nuclear scientist) that the best way to make a better nuke would be using a liquified or solidified form of Ununwhateverium, the gas at the end of the periodic table, it IS the heaviest element on the planet, and from what little I know, density is one of the keys to a big boom.
I also 'know' that you can make basicaly anything into a nuke, but it requires more force to get it to critical mass with less dense materials...imagine...the wooden A-bomb O_O

Skullzz Sternsturm warheads use Unnilhexium, which we've nicknamed "Sixium", to produce this pretty thermonuclear kablooie:

http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload3/sternsturm.jpg

At least you TRIED to explain it, unlike many on this forum...

Density is not the only part of making a big bomb. The material has to be inherently unstable in order for you to be able to easily set off a critical chain reaction. That is why U235 is used in nuclear weapons and U238 is used in reactors (U235 is less stable than U238). And also, those Ununwhateveryoucall'ems are man made elemnts that we have not been able to make in quantity, nor have them last long enough to do anything with. There's also a difference between being unstable and breaking down, and doing the same thing AND releasing deadly radioactive energy (in the case of a nuclear weapon). What happens with U235 is when it splits into more stable elements, it also releases stray neutrons (as well as the energy from the process), which in turn cause a chain reaction...etc etc.....causing a rapid, exponential release of energy and stray particles. If your base elemnt just decays nicely and evenly without releasing these "extra" neutrons to cause and maintain a chain reaction, then there will be no "kablooie".

Here it is:
Ununoctium
Standard state: presumably a gas at 298 K
Colour: unknown, but probably a colourless gas
Classification: Non-metallic
Three atoms of element 118 (ununoctium, Uuo) were synthesizesed by fusing krypton-86 (8636Kr) with lead-208 (20882Pb) in experiments conducted at at The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, (California, USA), The University of Calfornia (USA), and Oregon State University, Corvallis (USA). It is very shortlived and decomposes to element 116.

Element 118 nucleus decays less than a millisecond after its formation by emitting an a-particle. This results in an isotope of element 116 (mass number 289, containing 116 protons and 173 neutrons). This isotope of element 116, is also radioactive and undergoes further a-decay processes to an isotope of element 114 and so on down to at least element 106.

293118Uuo 289116Uuh + 42He (0.12 milliseconds)

289116Uuh 285114Uuq + 42He (0.60 milliseconds)

285114Uuq 281112Uub + 42He (0.58 milliseconds)

281112Uub 277110Uun + 42He (0.89 milliseconds)

277110Uun 273108Hs + 42He (3 milliseconds)

273108Hs 269106Sg + 42He (1200 milliseconds)
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So, im not sure if it would make a good bomb or not...It also appears that only three atoms of this element have ever existed, as far as we Earth creatures know, but if you happen to be capable of making enough...

This would not make a good bomb. It doesn't look like there would be a chain reaction (unless you showed me the atomic weights in a readable format), and you can block alpha particles with paper.

Density is not the only part of making a big bomb. The material has to be inherently unstable in order for you to be able to easily set off a critical chain reaction. That is why U235 is used in nuclear weapons and U238 is used in reactors (U235 is less stable than U238). And also, those Ununwhateveryoucall'ems are man made elemnts that we have not been able to make in quantity, nor have them last long enough to do anything with. There's also a difference between being unstable and breaking down, and doing the same thing AND releasing deadly radioactive energy (in the case of a nuclear weapon). What happens with U235 is when it splits into more stable elements, it also releases stray neutrons (as well as the energy from the process), which in turn cause a chain reaction...etc etc.....causing a rapid, exponential release of energy and stray particles. If your base elemnt just decays nicely and evenly without releasing these "extra" neutrons to cause and maintain a chain reaction, then there will be no "kablooie".

The Unnil elements have also been too short-lived to closely study. Supposing that they were more stabilized to a point where they could be studied, they could have any sort of properties. As far as developing a "New nuke" on NS goes, that's the way. :wink: It doesnt have to be 100% possible IRL, just believable enough.

Ah, well. Like I said, I know about nothing about atomlogy :wink:

The Unnil elements have also been too short-lived to closely study. Supposing that they were more stabilized to a point where they could be studied, they could have any sort of properties. As far as developing a "New nuke" on NS goes, that's the way. :wink: It doesnt have to be 100% possible IRL, just believable enough.

True, you don't need to know how it works, or why it works, or even if it will work at all, since this is FFRP. But, I've always been a firm believer of at least comprehending what you're trying to do. They better you can explain something, the more legitimacy you have. It's far easier to just wave your hand and say "my uber weapon of doom pwnez j00 all!!11!", then it is to explain how and why it does so. But, doing so is bad RP and would result in most people dismissing you as a n00b.

DGNT: you mean physics? :wink:

The Unnil elements have also been too short-lived to closely study. Supposing that they were more stabilized to a point where they could be studied, they could have any sort of properties. As far as developing a "New nuke" on NS goes, that's the way. :wink: It doesnt have to be 100% possible IRL, just believable enough.

True, you don't need to know how it works, or why it works, or even if it will work at all, since this is FFRP. But, I've always been a firm believer of at least comprehending what you're trying to do. They better you can explain something, the more legitimacy you have. It's far easier to just wave your hand and say "my uber weapon of doom pwnez j00 all!!11!", then it is to explain how and why it does so. But, doing so is bad RP and would result in most people dismissing you as a n00b.

DGNT: you mean physics? :wink:

I at least went to the trouble of making it believable and photoshopping a sexy blue mushroom cloud. It's not like its too much more destructive than a normal nuke anyways, its mostly just more original.

We need an "Over my Head" smilie because all of this is going way over my head. :)

It is a sexy lookin' mushroom cloud, I'll give you that :wink:

It is a sexy lookin' mushroom cloud, I'll give you that :wink:

::drools:: Just imagine, I'm going home with that warhead TONIGHT! :lol:

Only us Massholes... :roll:

http://focus.aps.org/stories/v5/st3/pic-v5-st3-1.jpg
Dont you just want to sex0r that mushroom cloud up?

http://focus.aps.org/stories/v5/st3/pic-v5-st3-1.jpg
Dont you just want to sex0r that mushroom cloud up?

Red-orange mushroom clouds are just not quite as h0tt as my blue cloud.

Yeah, but nothin' beats the 1950's black/white mushroom clouds.

Ummm.... :shock:

That's just messed up. :wink:

Nothing wrong with an nuclear fetish O_o

Nothing wrong with an nuclear fetish O_o

I'm into thermonuclear hardcore myself. 8)

Oh my word...

:lol:

It's hard having this fetish, its illegal in 42 states! :?

Despite the obvoius possibility that this technology is not ever going to be correctly developed, we will remain and observe the construction of any said devices and/or reactors. We may, I repeat, may be able to offer you assistance in completing this technology as Indra Prime Temporal Research Institute has the best quantum theorists out there. We may be able to help you get this stuff working.

Well said, Skullzz. If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bulls--t.

SECRET IC:
I'll take two.