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OOC: Sorry, made this last night but the PC crashed :x

IC:

Kazkahstania and The Zoogie People are finally collabarting to create the ultimate naval fighter. Together, we hope to create a new fighter that will serve in our countries for a long time. This is officially a closed RP, though if you wish to share an idea or point something out, that is fine, as long as its constructive.

Naval Fighter Project - Designation: Falcon

Our engineers have got two concepts:

Su-35 Based Concept

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/su-35_1.jpg

Several major upgrades, including Thrust Vectoring, Zoogie Engines and Kazakhstanian Electronics.

LFI Based Concept

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/lfi001.jpg

Same as Su-35, Athena Anti Radar System may be used.

What do you think?

thrust vectoring is a must for any interceptor. you may wish to turn this project of a bomber as there is a chronic shortage of carrier planes specificly for bombers

This is going to be a Multi-Role Fighter.

That includes Interceptor, Fighter Bomber and Ground Support.

OOC: Nice :P

By the way, can you change the title to 'Zoogietic' rather than Zoogian?

IC:

Our engineers have in mind a large, full stealth fighter with one seat and two engines, which more closely resembles the LFI concept. This is going to be a multirole fighter, but we agree that automated thrust vectoring, as incorporated into the F-22 and Su-37 aircraft, is a must.

Our current concept allows for supercruise, and large internal weapon bays capable of holding up to eight medium ranged intercept missiles, or four laser-guided bombs or air-to-surface missiles; while enlargened fuselage bays allow four four short-range intercept missiles.

Avionic designs are upcoming, but we like the Athena Anti-Radar system.

Overall, we require the agility and capability of an Su-35 while at the same time the technology of the newer LFI.

Current concepts:

http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/54396/navalfighter.jpg

OOC:
Klam and I already took the LFI concept, and we already took the Su-35 based concept. Buzz off.

OOC:
Klam and I already took the LFI concept, and we already took the Su-35 based concept. Buzz off.

They're both RL fighters. Who's to say we can't use them?

OOC: Stephen Coonts :)

DOGA-L1 :wink:

IC:

We argue that a full stealth design may not be way. We prefer low cost, high maneuverability aircraft. Also, a fuller weapons laod can be achieved that way.

3D thrust Vectoring is better than 2D, so we wish to use it. Also, the Su-37 might be a good base, rather than the LFI. It gives better maneuverability, and the Athena System eliminates the need for Stealth Design.

OOC: Do you mean the Forward Swept Wing or Su-37 Terminator?

http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-47/images/Su-47_21.jpg

or

http://aviaforce.free.fr/avions/images/chasse/su37/su37_5.jpg

That could work; a non-stealth design would allow for more payload anyways. (Doga-L2 ;)) Su-37 (as opposed to the FSW Su-47) would be a better idea, at least for a naval fighter. 3D Thrust vectoring ought to be incorporated as well, as you have suggested.

Su-37 it is :)

For 3D thrust Vectoring, we would have to eliminate the middle thingy coming from the rear.

Also, a pair of huge engines, hopefully Zoogietic built :)

We will discuss the finer detail later.

Huge engines with 3D thrust vectoring incorporated: (Doga has everything in space tech :()


http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/54396/engines.jpg

:P

lolol.

I will look up RL pics. They look better, im afraid :(

The 3D thrust vectoring needs to be circular.

Now, lets get down to business.

Engine type: What type, made by who, how much thrust etc. Please could you make 'em?

Sure...I'm not good at names... I wish DOGA would be more practical, their engines are all for space ships that can't possibly work as far as I know.

Engine type: twin afterburning turbofan engines with automated 3D thrust vectoring

Manufacturer: <insertrandomcompanyname>

Thrust: Each engine capable of delivering 26,000-lbs of thrust, for a total of 52,000-lbs of thrust; ceiling 60k feet; maximum speed Mach 2.5; supercruise mach 1.4

I can make them :P

http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/images/large-EJ200.jpg


(Seems to be invisible now :()
How's this? It's a Eurofighter engine.

Thrust: Each engine capable of delivering 26,000-lbs of thrust, for a total of 52,000-lbs of thrust; ceiling 60k feet; maximum speed Mach 2.5; supercruise mach 1.4

I can make them :P




can i join the project? im good at making engines :P

Ive just had an offer from another nation to make 'em.

Could you do:

Weapons Systems
Fuel
Ejection Seat
Landing Gear
R&D
Test Centre (a carrier) :?:

Thanks

i can make the engine, the ejection seat, and a test aircraft carrier..

Please.

The Engine is very large and a major part. Also, you can design the flight simulator and provide the test pilots. Hell, you can manufacture the Proto.

I will offer my 3D thrust vectoring technology to your engines. Alright...what's left? Avionics, armament....

For you Zoogie:

Arnament
Ejection Seat
Landing Gear
Hydraulics
R&D Centre
Test Centre, possibly a carrier

Alright...

Sorry Zoogie. if you want more, you can do the Avionics.

But I was going to do Airframe and Electronics :)

Ok, I've allocated a test base somewhere in the middle of nowhere :P and a carrier battle group, as well as an R&D center. I'll ldo avionics then :P

OOC:
Buzz off, or use the su-47, before klam and I shred you on charges of stealing our products.

OKay dokey.

Right, requirements or you:

Avionics:

Fly-By-Optics System
Responsive Movement and 3D TV Control System
System that links everythign with Main SuperComputer
Plenty of Multi Purpose Displays
A HUD
A Helmet which displays the HUD on its Visor

Arnament:

A new, Next-Gen 30mm Light Yet Rapid Cannon
As many weapons mounts as humanly possible
As many countermeasure mounts as possible.

As for me, I am going to do computers and electronics, and create some entirely new systems. Also, i will do the Airframe, with new designs and and a new fibre for the shell.

OOC:

Calm down. We are using the Su-37 now.

OOC:
Buzz off, or use the su-47, before klam and I shred you on charges of stealing our products.

The LFI is not your product. It is a Russian project. Neither is the Su-35 your product. These are both RL products. We are basing our own project on theres, in no way stealing yours. Can nobody else on NS but you make an aircraft based on the Su-37?

Our engineers also recommend the:

http://menua.aic.net/air/mig/mig-29.jpg

MiG-29K

The MFD's, HUD Helmet, supercomputer, fly-by-optics, are all currently in development, as is a six-barrel 30mm rapid-fire cannon with 600 rounds. We require the airframe to figure out hardpoints.

EDIT: Because of maneuverability and role, we prefer the Sukhoi variant to the Miyokan-Guervich design.

The MFD's, HUD Helmet, supercomputer, fly-by-optics, are all currently in development, as is a six-barrel 30mm rapid-fire cannon with 600 rounds. We require the airframe to figure out hardpoints.

EDIT: Because of maneuverability and role, we prefer the Sukhoi variant to the Miyokan-Guervich design.


its spelled mikoyan-gurevich, and its as manuverable as the next su-27 if not more.

OOC:

I am getting bullied over MSN here. Sorry, gotta be MiG-29 or Su-47.

IC:

We woudl prefer to make the supercomputer. It is our field of expertise :)

Fine. I demand to know what's wrong with an Su-37 model.

IC:

Ok, you can make the supercomputer, we've got a lot on our hands anyways :P

sorry to interupt this project but will these aircraft be available to NNA members? or is this specifically a zoogie-kazzaksthania project?

The Five Civilized Nations's Crusade Aerospace Corporation is currently designing a new aircraft named as the XF-49A Rapier Attack Fighter. It features a radically designed structure in which there is no landing gear. In addition, below the fuselage there is placed an appendage (like Starcraft's Wraith fighter) that is equipped with cannons and missile launchers. If Kazakhstania and The Zoogie People are interested in funding this aircraft, Crusade Aerospace will give each company a stake of the profits and eternal funding arrangements.

Chairman and CEO of 5CN's Crusade Corporation
85% owner of Crusade Corporation stock
-Crown Prince Alexander Crusade

Ahem, the NEMPD wishes you change the name of your Athena system. This system is property of NEMPD dating back to... June.
Just a name change, please.

This is a specifically Kazakhstania-Zoogie Project, thanks.

As to the MiG-29K, I dunno. We should, it's just I got MSN. But I am getting a new PC tommorow, so I should no onger have :(

Name Change: Medusa.

Hey, found this aircraft on the web, looks cool:

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M232BFlyby.jpg

Would that be available as an alternative? It's just that the MiG-29 airframe was developed way back, as a 4th generation aircraft...

The MiG-29K is basically just a MiG-29 by name, it has a different airframe, for starters.

It's still fourth-generation. :P

We suggest:

MiG-29K with:

3D Thrust Vectoring
Larger, to abou tthe size of an Su-37
Add Dorsal Fins if Possible
A whole new Airframe Design

It will only be the MiG-29K by name. And besides, I want more than one pic.

I stopped using web pics ages ago, however. I will look for a different pic, if not it has to be the MiG-29. Either that or Su-47.

New compuer now.

Havent got MSN anymore!

Yay! No more bullying.

Ok, we have come up with these electronics:

JTIDS -

Joint Tatical Information Distrubution System. This system takes information from all the sensors on the aircraft, and sends them to all friendly units, even vehicles in the area. It also receives information automatically, adn displays them on all the MFD's. This allows for fantastic battlfield awareness, and can even be used to maintain missile locks from other aircraft and guidance from AWAC's. The new version allows weapon firing patching, linked to the weapon guidance system. This allows weapons to be guided and targetted by other aircraft, which is a must for long range missiles, such as the AA-3G.

Missile Targetting System -

A fully linear system. Linked with most weapons systems and can fire msot missiles. It is linked to the JTIDS, allowing multiple targetting. Also, it is linked with the powerful radar, wich allows the weapons to be targetted easily and effectively. There is no fiddling with targetting and different targets, an easy touch on a MD will target it, and if you cant select it, a simple button on the joystick will sort it.

Radar -

A small, incredibly powerful radar. It has a moderate angle of scan,a dn can be panned a full 180 degrees. It is powerful up to a range of 180km, and can easily detect stealth aircraft. Incorporated under the nose is a Thermal, Infrared and Laser Targetting System for various other weapon types. There is a LANTAIRN system incorporated, and all can work together to target a single target.

More Later

Hey:

A piece of stealth junk

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/mig/Mig_37/big/mig37_1.jpg

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/mig/Mig_37/big/mig37_2.4.jpg

A concept piece of art for the MiG-29:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-1/602223/MiG-38.JPG

I still dislike using line drawings, not enough detail.

Potential Ideas:

MiG-29K
MiG-37
Su-47
MiG-29 Custom

A concept piece of art for the MiG-29:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-1/602223/MiG-38.JPG

I still dislike using line drawings, not enough detail.

Potential Ideas:

MiG-29K
MiG-37
Su-47
MiG-29 Custom

I would prefer to go with the MiG-29 custom; the only problem being where to find a custom pic. The MiG-37 is ... ugly....as you said, stealth junk. The MiG-29 would have to be significantly enlargened, with a new airframe, engine, avionics, etc....(as you mentioned)...I'd also like a new wing for it, to accomodate more hardpoints, including wingtip ones.

I have a few pictures of the concept I showed earlier, it's from a fictional aersopace company online:

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M232BStrike.jpg
http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M232BCloseup.jpg
http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M232BLowLevel.jpg

There's also a few other concepts, mostly European...it's just finding a picture that's annoying for the modified MiG-29 tough.

How would your radar easily detect stealth aircraft?

We will get to work on an advanced passive radar (and RWR)...if that's alright.

The MiG-37 doesnt look that bad.

The MiG-29 idea might not be that bad. Lets go with it.

Looks like we might need your engines after all.

What do you think of my so far electronics?

Also, you concept looks liek the F-22, too much so. Mind if I use some pics from that site, looks good.

The radar is so powerful and so narrow that it is concentrated. Nothing is totally bounce proof.

It's not my site :P Yeah, let's go with the MiG-29.

We gotta finish this quick, to get it into production.

The Liquid Nitrogen Cooled SuperComputer has been finished, being ble to drive all systems at twice the speed as before. It takes up only 5cm cubed more of room.

The Su-37 has been decided as the official testbed and abse for the project, now we are at war.

You can build around a basic honeycomb filled Su-37 shell, which involves total body height honeycomb shells, double layered in the centre around the fuel tank.

It is constructe dout of a Titanium Alloy in an Epoxy Resin Honeycomb microscopically.

Lets go. I need your engines too.

We gotta finish this thing.

First flight test on Friday.

Alright. Seriously, if Dark Terror has nothing better to do than to flaunt his power and using aimless excuses at crushing others who are just trying to play the game, I'm going to ignore him.

...honeycomb shells?

Work on the engines is nearly finished. Automated 3D Vectoring has been incorporated.

Ok.

Honeycomb shells:

A Su-37 shell which has honeycomb sections inside :D

We are gonna need two hell of a powerful engines, for it to be able to carry laods and carrier takeoffs.

Carrier takeoffs are different, but alright.

Its got to be able to replace my F/A-41, which could be hard. It is a damn good aircraft, but I didnt want to use the Su-37 for originalities sake.

Status Check?

How much is done.

For me, electronics and airframe.

I've finished development of the HUD and helmet that displays the HUD, as well as all the MFD's that are linked to the MFD and also, eventually, your supercomputer. I'm still working on the engines, although I'm not sure who exactly is doing them. Fly-by-pptics and responsive control are upcoming.

I'll do the SUperComputers. I have done them since my begnnining, my expertise field :)

Everything else sounds good. Once Ive got 'em, we will see how we can use 'em. Anythign you'd like to throw in, feel free.

OOC: This has slowed a bit :( Your storefront is looking nice. I better bump mine :)

Now. I have had several idea's. Now, here are the descriptions.

Sorry, I dont have the Athena stats right now. Cant fidn the book, will have it for tommorow :(

Thermal Paint:

New idea. A paint that both sucks up radar waves, like the paint on the F-22 and on the B-2 bomber. But it has a dual purpose. It also is an insulator of heat, and stops the inside heat escaping. This means its thermal and infrared profile should be reduced dramatically. The only thing producing heat is the exhaust, and I am sure we will find a way round that.

Active Camo

Not so new. This is a systemt hat would work with Athena, and would blend the plane in with the background. This means it would be unseeable with the naked eye.

As you can see, I am going for total stealth. You cant see it on radar, not until short range on IR and not at all with your eyes. But it would be pricey, $90-110 Million. But thats what you get for a 6th Gen fighter.

Bump for TZP

Sounds great, I like your paint idea...but how would we make it totally invisible, for cloudy and sunny days, over any terrain?

Tiny light sensors on the top and bottom sides of the aircraft detect the picture from above and transmit it to the created via tiny light emmiters on the bottom. It is the same from below. This means you would see the picture from above below, and from below above.

It has been done, on the F-22, but it is expensive.

The Athena would make it almost impossible to see on radar, and even then the paint would get it. Damn best fighter ever, I sense.

OOC:

Could you give me half detailed descriptions of the stuff you give me?

It allows me to type them up the Kazakhstanian way :wink:

I'll try ;) But I don't really know how to describe them...I'l try though..

HUD

The head's up display is layed out like most standard HUD's, only it is linked to the helmet. Wherever the pilot's head turns, the HUD follows. On one side, the altitude meter is displayed, and on the other, the speed (in km/h). When speed is nearing structrucal limits, it flashes red; same with altitude (boh high, and in-flight, low...i.e, if you're taxiing on the runway or landing, it won't flash red). Heading is shown on the top part of the HUD, while speed, airframe, and mode is shown on the bottom. The gunsight is a new gunsight, that will be incorporated into a new gun system I'm testing, if you would like it on the fighter.

MFD

Many multi-function displays are shown on the fighter, all easily linkable to Kazakhstania's central supercomputer. System status, navigation, weapons status, radar cross section, and a variety of modes, as well as detection systems (FLIR, active/passive radar, etc...) are shown. Eight MFD's can each show different data based on what the pilot wants.

Dogfighting System

Rather than one cannon, there are dual 20mm cannons with 700 rounds each embedded to each side of the cockpit. The pilot can select which one to fire at any one time, but a special computer-controlled dogfight mode leaves the pilot amazingly free to do his own maneuvering. He is free to select another weapon as he maneuevers to try to hit his enemy, such as a R73 Backfire, while the computer system focuses in on the target and propels bullets towards it. The system can determine what direction the selected target is in, which cannon to fire, and when (default 70% hit rate), so the pilot is free to maneuver and shoot, if necessary.

Engines

Two high-powered Es-287 afterburning turbofan engines with an unprecedented 36,800-lbs each of thrust, which includes automatic 3D vectoring +/- 60 degrees, the highest amount ever attempted by an Es engine.

Fly-by-optics

I still need to do research on f-b-o, but it's going to be the best out there...

Nice.

I will make some random stuff up about the engine to make a para, and smooth some things over.

Other than that, those are some of the most damn perfect things on an airframe.

I thought we would have the HUD on the pilots visor, no?

And as for the new gun, fine. The gunfight system should work brilliantly with the camo etc.

Sharkishki should be the best damn plane on earth. New name, btw :)

Yeah, it's on the pilot's helmet visor. Sharkishi...nice :P

What designation will it be? F-45? Or some sort of new one like KZ-28? Or something like that (I noticed in your arms show)

F-45 for me, and whatever you want for you.

Dual designation :)

They'll still be the same aircraft, right?...that's fine, then...I'll name it ZF-28, because that's what I had originally planned.

Fine with me.

Zoogie Fighter - 28 and Fighter - 45.

Name: Sharkishki

Just to let you know, I can do a type up as soon as you want.

Alright...if you want to make a thread and send it to me, I'll just copy that and stick it in my storefront...:P

It might be big. As in, bigger than my other stuff :wink:

I jsut need you to finish the FBO and gun system, then its done.

I can make my stuff as I type it :wink:

Alright.

The Great American Novel, by Kazakhstania ;)

Ok...problem...am finding nothing on fly-by-optics, so I don't know how to do that part...gun system is 95% done though, just need to do some flight testing.

OOC: About the thermal paint. Your heat can't just be reduced. Thermodynamics - if your paint stores it up, then your aircraft is going to be pretty hot after a few hours. You need to release it somehow...

IC:
Will the final product of this project be available to other nations for purchase?

LOL, no!

The paint is designed to mask the heat emissions :)

As for the FBO, I know a lot about 'em so I can do that.

The gun system soudns cool, could you explain?

The gun system...I don't know what I was doing when I came up with that...ok, the basic idea is that there are two cannons on either side of the cockpit, rather than just one. When the plane is in a heavy dogfight with another, the pilot has to concentrate like heck maneuvering the aircraft to shoot the other one down. The gun system lets him not bother with the weapons. A computer controlled system shoots out a bullet stream whenever the gunsight indicates a 70% chance of a hit on the enemy plane, and dictates in what direction the bullets are propelled (roughly), how many, and from which side of the cockpit. So basically, the pilot just has to fly his plane in position and the gun does the rest.

want to buy some supersonic blasters off me?they're aircraft which go at supersonic speeds!

Hey...no offense, but...this aircraft is supersonic. Every jet fighter in the world active today is supersonic, unless...well...basically every jet in the world. So, no.

the blasts go at near-supersonic speeds!and can penetrate through 100 meters of steel armour!

Right, this aircraft flies at Mach 2+

lol, n00bs :wink:

Sounds nice, computer controlled guns. Easy.

Two might be pushing it, however. I prefer to use top of the range weapons and electronics, to shoot em down before they are in range.

I will type it up later tonight :)

I, too, would prefer long range weapons, but feel that dogfighting is a necessity sometimes...

edit - I meant 700 rounds total, oops :P

And in dogfighting, ours wpuld already have the upper hand with TV and being unseeable :wink:

Anyway, does it work for ground targets too?

Well, it works for any target you want...only there's not as much advantage for ground targets if they're stationary; unless you're flying through heavy flak and need to maneuver the plane...

Well, it works for any target you want...only there's not as much advantage for ground targets if they're stationary; unless you're flying through heavy flak and need to maneuver the plane...

Yay!

Sounds good. Mind if I start construction on the first flight prototype?

Anyway. Also, can we make a two seat version? It would look like the Su-34, but would just be a ZF-28 with two seats and a bit wider :wink:

Sure, let's each build three prototypes for flight testing in each of our nations, on and off all sorts of different carriers with diffferent weapons....we should do a two seat version, and a reconaissance one too, but why would it be side by side?

Sure, let's each build three prototypes for flight testing in each of our nations, on and off all sorts of different carriers with diffferent weapons....we should do a two seat version, and a reconaissance one too, but why would it be side by side?

Sure, let's each build three prototypes for flight testing in each of our nations, on and off all sorts of different carriers with diffferent weapons....we should do a two seat version, and a reconaissance one too, but why would it be side by side?

Sure, let's each build three prototypes for flight testing in each of our nations, on and off all sorts of different carriers with diffferent weapons....we should do a two seat version, and a reconaissance one too, but why would it be side by side?

This is what I was thinking of, a Su-34 is good, but it's a bomber more than a fighter...

http://f15.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aerodancing/anzo/su30mkj2.jpg

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Zoink!

And the Zoogie Master said...Zap! And thus disappearded the pic.

This is what I was thinking of, a Su-34 is good, but it's a bomber more than a fighter...

http://f15.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aerodancing/anzo/su30mkj2.jpg

Wow...go me!

Lol so many posts!

Can you delete some, killing my works 56k :wink:

Anyway, side by side is good because there are tons of pics.

And those, I am afraid, aren't of Su-37's. Those dont have frontal fins, and are merely Su-33's or Su-27's.

Ah...oops...yeah, they're Su-30. I could have sworn Su-30's had fins...or was it 33...aha!

Su-33

http://www.flyconsult.ch/dsu33p.jpg

Wait, it's one seat...but it looks better...although the Su-34 isn't all that bad itself...

http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-34%20attack%202.jpg

Ah...oops...yeah, they're Su-30. I could have sworn Su-30's had fins...or was it 33...aha!

Su-33

http://www.flyconsult.ch/dsu33p.jpg

Wait, it's one seat...but it looks better...although the Su-34 isn't all that bad itself...

http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-34%20attack%202.jpg

What have you got with double posts :wink:

Anyway, there are tons of Su-35 and Su-37 pics we can use. The naval version can be the Su-33, and the two seater Su-34.

I thought of the versions, adn I thought one with the A-10 GAU-8 cannon, a recon one with huge engines and loads of electronics and one with Fighter-Bomber computers.

Modem, and the overloaded forums...:P

This was a navy fighter to begin with; I'm afraid I will not have too much use for them in my airforce; although perhaps several hundred.

We could have lots of versions...

A version for carriers (Su-37 pic)
Scaled-down, cheaper trainer (Su-30)
Two-seat version (Su-34)
Attack version w/GAU-8 (Su-34 as well)

Some questions:

Will the trainer version be carrier capable?

It woudl be great if it was, because I need one of them for my navy. I am, however, already making an AF trainer :)

Anyway. The initial Carrier Capable versions full size frame has been delivered to TZP with all electronics.

All you need to do is wind tunnel test it etc, and then shove the engines and everything in. Then, flight testing.

Trainer version will be for carriers. And of course, anything for carriers can also land on a runway; but it's suited for carriers as well. Thank you. Wind tunnel tests have initiated.

Trainer version will be for carriers. And of course, anything for carriers can also land on a runway; but it's suited for carriers as well. Thank you. Wind tunnel tests have initiated.

Trainer version will be for carriers. And of course, anything for carriers can also land on a runway; but it's suited for carriers as well. Thank you. Wind tunnel tests have initiated.

Trainer version will be for carriers. And of course, anything for carriers can also land on a runway; but it's suited for carriers as well. Thank you. Wind tunnel tests have initiated.

Ace!

Thanks for the wind tunnel, I have some new goodies!

Firstly, the stats on Athena:

Athena Active ECM

Athena is active ECM. When the signal from the enemy radar is detected, the raw data is put through a superconductive computer. This then uses antenna's buried in the aircraft's skin to emit an out of sync wave which cancels out the radar. The computer is given the characteristics of the plane it is guarding, and emits the proper amount of energy in all directions.

It really works, and creates something so radar clear that it is better than the F-22. Even with that, the radar paint makes it truly stealth. This system can be fitted to any plane on earth, and make it at least a bit stealthier.

Lastly, a nice concpet pic for the project:

http://venus.walagata.com/w/woodhall/Su-37.JPG

:arrow:

Cool.

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos_archives/Wheres_the_plane.jpg

We could use this for a flight test picture :P

lol.

Looks nice.

Can you start the regular old flight tests yet?

I suppose so...I'm working on getting the engines on.

Here is the result of our first operational Sharkishi:

http://www.turbosquid.com/Previews/Content_on_2_11_2002_03_22_49\Su37.3ds_thumbnail1.jpgB3E429B4-6413-4716-987FDA65911578AE.jpgLarge.jpg

As you can see, this is a two seat version, but not that of a Su-34. This model was based for the navy; as the Su-34 model's width would have made it difficult to fold up the wings and store it with the others. And because the picture's nice :P

Here is the second - basic A version, taking off from an air force base.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/su37.jpg

As you can see, the automated 3D thrust vectoring test is moving along quite nicely.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/su37noz2.jpg

Nice. Very smooth.

As the first tests have gon ahead, we have now sent the Su-34 version shell. As for the current versions, could you install weapons and see :)

Right. Before the weapons test results are in, I would like to send to you two images of the Sharkishi operating on carriers:

http://users.otenet.gr/~alvemm/images/Su-37b.jpg

(Carrier landing)

http://users.otenet.gr/~alvemm/images/su35d.jpg

(Wings folded)

Fitting the fighter with standard Zoogie armament (derivatives of the R-77 Adder and the R-73 Archer-Backfire)...

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/r77_aa12-s.jpg

And pitted a single Sharkishi in a virtual training excercise on the F/A-41:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:FxDV5B4W0gEJ:www.afwing.com/art/morden/idf.jpg

The end result: in five minute's time, the Sharkishi was directly behind the F/A-41, maneuvering perfectly to destroy it with cannons (on the automatic gunfire mode, it would have already fired), and when the Snake pilot was notified, a maneuvering combat began. With superior maneuverability, the Sharkishi easily beat out the F/A-41 - in less than a minute, it had gotten three chances to knock it down. And had it been live fire, the Sharkishi would have fired from a farther distance. Similar tests were conducted on the ZF-24. Due to stealth and maneuverability of the ZF-24, it took longer to accomplish the goal, but the Sharkishi clearly showed superiority as well.

In conclusion the armed Sharkishi will be one heck of an obstacle to take down in air superiority. Ground targets - anti-ship and deep strike - will be conducted next.

http://www.allwoodwings.com/1-MilitaryPlanes/IMAGES-MilitaryPlanes/INDEX,Su-37.jpg

OOC:

Just you wait for the F/A-41B.

It will have Athena :D

No problem....so will all my future planes and the New version of the ZF-26 :P. Well, a similar system anyways, always room for updating. But anyways, the Sharkishis is the best fighter I've ever made to date...

No problem....so will all my future planes and the New version of the ZF-26 :P. Well, a similar system anyways, always room for updating. But anyways, the Sharkishis is the best fighter I've ever made to date...

Hehe :)

Im envious now. My largest competitor in the aviation industry, who has twice as many sales as me, has just been given my latest technology.

Ah well, quality beats quantity, and we have the 2nd Gen stuff coming out for the F/A-41. This should, hopefully, mean the retirement of the F-42 :D

I don't have twice as many sales, I haven't even had a single sale for days :P The F-42 will be retired? Noooo.....ah well. Want to work together to upgrade all of our aircraft? Hopefully, together we can be a large part of the aircraft industry.

I don't have twice as many sales, I haven't even had a single sale for days :P The F-42 will be retired? Noooo.....ah well. Want to work together to upgrade all of our aircraft? Hopefully, together we can be a large part of the aircraft industry.

OOC:

I will reply later, I gotta go to class now.

IC:

*News*

Today at Kazakhstania Aerospace, a shell of the new ZF-28/F-45 was built. This shell, however, was not in the report printed for The Zoogie People, and is a fly of the moment idea. It has been fitted with Zoogian Engines donated on demand by a Zoogian Company, and fitted with Zoogian electronics.

This airframe is hoping to be used for the new two seat concept. This has taken the Su-34 and Su-37, and combined the two.

http://www.duffeyk.fsnet.co.uk/su-27kub_files/su-37kub_13.jpg

OOC:

Can we use this? It is side by side and naval capable.

IC:

*Message to TZP*

We have accepted the offer to upgrade all of our aircraft together. Hopefully, this joint project will involve both our great aerospace industries.

OOC2:

I am starting a new thread, if you want.

Also, it Sharkishki. Not Sharkishi :)

Thank you, Kazakhstania. I'm glad you found a Su-37 two seater pic; although we request that a cheaper trainer version also be used, using the two-seat model we originally planned - it will be cheaper to make.

Ok, so this is the list:

Naval Two Seater - Su-33UB/Su-27KUB

Naval Trainer - Su-33

Land Based - Su-37

Ground Attack - Su-34

Ok?

I'm confused ;)

Naval Version - Su-37 (also operates on land; no need for distinction there)
Naval Tea Seater - that weird picture of a Su-34/37 hybrid a few posts up
Naval Trainer - that weird picture of a Su-30 with canard foreplanes I posted several posts up

and it's multirole...so a ground attack version might be unneeded, but the Su-34 would be the best candidate if one were made. Ok.

I'm confused ;)

Naval Version - Su-37 (also operates on land; no need for distinction there)
Naval Tea Seater - that weird picture of a Su-34/37 hybrid a few posts up
Naval Trainer - that weird picture of a Su-30 with canard foreplanes I posted several posts up

and it's multirole...so a ground attack version might be unneeded, but the Su-34 would be the best candidate if one were made. Ok.

Rogio!

Ok, I have some questions about unposted stuff:

The two 30mm Cannon idea, I think two cannons that are so large might be godmodding slightly :)

Can you also give me a nice description of:

The Cockpit Displays ie. HUD and MFD's

The landing gear and arresting system for carriers.

And finally, can I add some new idea's I have had when typing it up, even though it is your stuff?

Are they for sell? We are looking for some aircraft for defense purposes.

Chimicifuga, they're not for sale yet..


Kazakhstania...I meant 20mm like the F-16...I got slightly confused there :P

As for MFD's, I'll have to fish back to what I wrote a few posts earlier and expand on that...I don't know exactly how to describe MFD's though. I'd also have to look up landing gear and arresting system, although I believe it's helped in part by the 3d TV engines...you can add or minus anything you want when typing up the description.

Thanks.

Ok, as soon as all the remaining things are done, I can type :)

Ahck...well, catch me up on what's needed...

I just need some detailed typing of all you have done :)

Eh. This has waited waayyyy too long. We need to finish this!

My AIM has been broken, but shoukd be fied soon :)

I agree...I'm a bit stuck on the avionics part, I don't want to write the same things over and over for different fighters...but next week is vacation, and Wednesday is a half day, so I should get a lot of time....