NationStates Jolt Archive


Proposal for LETI/LOTI Nuclear Treaty

Manarth
15-01-2004, 20:59
Whereas: The nations of LETI and LOTI seak to limit the amount of nuclear weapons, which act as a direct opponent to peace and stablitiy throughout the region.

Whereas: These nations are committed to the limiting of their own nuclear arsenalt, prefering to look to peace as opposed to Mutually Assured Destruction.

Whereas: The nations in question, having resolved to do this, wish to make certain that the other nations are also committed to this action.

Let it be resolved that:

1: A non-proliferation treaty shall exist preventing the creation of new nuclear weapons, or improving upon the existing nuclear weapons of these nations, except in the case of repair or replacement up to and including the limit set forth (see 2)

2: No nation shall exceed twenty-five (25) long range nuclear weapons (distance of 250 NM or more). Also, nations shall limit their tactical nuclear weapons to fifty (50). In addition, all nations smaller than 500 million must limit their long range nuclear missiles to ten (10), and thier short range weapons to twenty (20).

3: In no instance shall the combined payload of the warheads in each rocket exceed one hundred (100) Megatones, nor shall the payload of the tactical nuclear weapons exceed twenty (20) Megatones.

4: No nation shall produce or hold any space based nuclear weaponry.

5: No nation shall produce any sub-water based nuclear weapons (weapons designed to explode under the water).

6: In order to ensure that all signing nations comply with the treaty, a committie will be set up to perform spot inspections of nuclear facilities, weapons sites, and nuclear stockpiles. This committie will consist of ten (10) citizens of each signed nation, as appointed by that nation.

7: This committie shall have the power to declair a nation in violation of the treaty if they are discovered to have violated any of the above points. In such an instance, all signed nations are encouraged to boycott and/or blockade the offending nation until it complies with the wording of the treaty.

8: The signing nations will have 4 Ontario years (4 Erie days) (4 RL days) to comply with the treaty, from the moment they sign it.

9: Ammendments to this treaty may be added if 3/4ths of the signed nations agree to it's implimentation.

OOC: This isn't set in stone yet people, if you have any suggestions, ideas or changes you'd like to make so that you'd be more likely to sign this treaty, please let me know about it.

And if the treaty is good as is, and I get no constructive criticism from you all, I'll be signing it in 3 days time. (Monday at noon)

I must also add that this treaty is intended for members of the Lake Erie Tropical Islands and Lake Ontario Tropical Islands regions. If you are not a member of these regions, you should not sign this treaty. I'd suggest making one similar to this for your regions if you like it that much.
Edenstein
16-01-2004, 06:18
*tag* this is rather sounding good kelso, Heck I might even be willing to sign this
Of the council of clan
16-01-2004, 18:16
Council of Clan is willing to sign above treaty, and willing to decomission 15 Ohio Boats to get down to that level of Weapons. along with all Minuteman III missiles.
MadderMike
16-01-2004, 21:33
MadderMike Minister of Defense sends envoy to Of Council of Clans to see if he can purchase some of the 15 decommissioned Ohio class SSBNs minus the missiles of course (when they are decommissioned).
Of the council of clan
16-01-2004, 22:12
MadderMike Minister of Defense sends envoy to Of Council of Clans to see if he can purchase some of the 15 decommissioned Ohio class SSBNs minus the missiles of course (when they are decommissioned).

Sorry. No Ohio's for you. I'm not selling those to such a young nation.
Henceland Omega
17-01-2004, 07:08
*tag* I'll get around to this sometime soon. The administration will discuss it amongst themselves...
Dubelco
17-01-2004, 23:12
Not too shabby sir. I'd sign it, but we'll see.
Credonia
17-01-2004, 23:26
ONLY 25 ICBM'. The SALT treaties signed by the US and Soviet union limited nuclear warheads to 2500, i wouldnt sign this (credonia has over 810 nukes with 3,090 warheads)
Edenstein
18-01-2004, 00:45
OOC: Kelso, we might want to add like a curve to younger nations, you know like your not allowed to have weapons until x population, and then they allowable weapons go up from their exponentially... I think that might be a good thing. Any other thoughts.
Manarth
18-01-2004, 03:44
OOC: I was considering just such an addition, but I doubt that would encourage younger nations to sign it. And a fat lot of good our (US) treaty with Russia does, seeing as how that many nukes can still destroy the world at least 3 times over. (My statistics are hersay, but I'm sticking to them)

25 missiles with a limit of 100 megatones/missile are certainly enough to be a deterrent for anyone thinking of launching nukes at anyone. You saw how 20 *warheads* (note warheads are not missiles. Missiles contain multiple warheads) flattened 3 of my cities.

Well, how about this, any nation smaller than 500 million (the required amount to change your nations type at will) can only have 10 missiles and 20 short range nuclear weapons. As usual, any nation below 200 million is assumed to be too small to know how to build nukes, as is any nation with a poor economy.

Well, that's it. I'll add it if others agree that it's a good idea. Thanks for the idea Edenstein. Maybe the two of us can be like the US and USSR and strong arm the smaller nations around us into signing it. :twisted:
Credonia
18-01-2004, 04:21
Credonia advises AGAINST the use of any ype of force or pressure to get smaller nations to sign such a treaty. Nations have the right to defend themselves as they see fit, and if they wish to limit their strategic WMD's then it is their decision and their decision only.

Also, due to the limitations of this treaty, Credonia will NOT be signing or ratifying it. Although we have led NS efforts to the reduction of nuclear weapons and the prevention of nuclear war, such stringent restrictions cannot be accepted by the Credonian government and will not be.
Manarth
18-01-2004, 04:36
Well, lucky for you it's a LETI/LOTI treaty, and as such you shouldn't be signing it anyway!

I must also add that this treaty is intended for members of the Lake Erie Tropical Islands and Lake Ontario Tropical Islands regions. If you are not a member of these regions, you should not sign this treaty. I'd suggest making one similar to this for your regions if you like it that much.

Oh well. Besides, the "pressure" thing was ment as funny criticism of US/Russian foriegn policy since the '50s. Nothing more. Hence the evil smile.

And even if it wasn't, well... What are you going to do about it? :twisted:

And for clarification, of the twenty warheads, all but 4 were shot down, and 2 hit the same city. Not that the second one did any extra dammage mind you, I still think a 80% sucess rate against shooting down nuclear weapons is good.
18-01-2004, 04:40
This is credonia (under Hamil)

I would throw the pressure back on you, and mind you, i have done so to other nations with no hassle ;)
Edenstein
18-01-2004, 20:29
Kelso, one other thing, how about a definition of a "Tactical" Nukes. sorry, I'm being anal but it will stop any kind of confusion
Of the council of clan
19-01-2004, 06:14
This is credonia (under Hamil)

I would throw the pressure back on you, and mind you, i have done so to other nations with no hassle ;)


I strongly suggest against that. :wink:

Manarth is a signatory of the Treaty of Fei Fong Wong, and therefore the Nations of Henceland Omega, Edenstein, My nation and Manarth will watch each other's backs. All of the Above have Frightening Economies and all but Manarth have been around since the End of June. So Over a billion population.

Our region, our treaty, your opinion is not needed.

And to think i supported you in that whole Falklands mess till i broke out in civil war.
Credonia
19-01-2004, 14:30
This is credonia (under Hamil)

I would throw the pressure back on you, and mind you, i have done so to other nations with no hassle ;)


I strongly suggest against that. :wink:

Manarth is a signatory of the Treaty of Fei Fong Wong, and therefore the Nations of Henceland Omega, Edenstein, My nation and Manarth will watch each other's backs. All of the Above have Frightening Economies and all but Manarth have been around since the End of June. So Over a billion population.

Our region, our treaty, your opinion is not needed.

And to think i supported you in that whole Falklands mess till i broke out in civil war.

Not to make anything out of it but Credonia supported you as we werent even part of the conflict until our allies requested assistance. Once we entered the conflict, we took a leading role ultimatly leading to a sucessful military campaign
Tasty Foods
19-01-2004, 14:51
I want to sign...but I don't know if I can.

OOC:

What's LETI/LOTI? :?
Henceland Omega
20-01-2004, 03:12
LETI= The Lake Erie Tropical Islands
LOTI= Lake Ontario Tropical Islands

If your're not in the region, it really doesn't mean anything if you sign it, but if you like the proposal, I'd suggest taking it to your own regional forum and proposing it. Then you can sign it at will!
Samsylvannia
20-01-2004, 17:26
Good treaty...Samsylvannia will probably sign it. I would suggest a little more on the definition of tactical nukes, though.
Manarth
20-01-2004, 20:28
OOC: Ok. Tactical nukes are nukes that cannot be fired very far. In other words, what I'd use to hit say... Samsylvannia would not be a tactical nuke. What I'd use if Samsylvannia was invading me and I wanted to nuke their beach-head... That would be a tactical nuke.

In other words, a tactical nuke is any nuclear device with a short range or no range delivery system. Nuclear bombs are tactical, nuclear artillery is tactical, nuclear suitcase bombs are tactical, ect.
Samsylvannia
20-01-2004, 22:03
OOC: Yeah...I know that. I meant range and warhead size. Pick on Ed, he said it too!!