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We will purchase WMD's at bulk. thank you

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Normaly, most people dont sell WMD to people like you, not saying you arent trustworthy, but you dont know, PLUS you dont have the ability to maintain them, your military cna only be 5% and belwo of your pop, meaning you got a small army right now, plus i doubt you've gotten enough money to buy, impplament launch systems, and maintina WMD, you cant just toss a nuke in a shed and expect ti to be good, or throw VX is the frezzer and expect it to be potent, also, nations under 100 million are normaly ignore for WMB, for above reasons

Well we want some WMD's as you see we are developing a new car that will allow us to trabel back in time. so we need the WMD, it will allow us to try our experiment.

We pay top dollar for WMD's.

Well we want some WMD's as you see we are developing a new car that will allow us to trabel back in time. so we need the WMD, it will allow us to try our experiment.

We pay top dollar for WMD's.

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Get 100 million population, then talk about WMD.

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uhhhhh WHAT?

uhhh good uhh luck on that.....

The Dictator Ship Of The Majin King cares not of your population or how you will take care of the things we sell you. We are selling Nuclear Warheads and weapons grade Plutonium. If you wish to buy one of these it is quite the expense. and back to the future wasnt real.

On investigation The Majin King has withdrawn its offer, you economy is to weak and you should be spending money on problems in your nation not worrying about WMD. You will need proof that you can pay me.

I warn you, in the name of the Crossmanian people. If you do obtain WMDs, do not dare use them to threaten people. I will not allow WMDs to be used for black mail. So if you get them, may you use them for your experiments, otherwise, we will crush you. You are warned.
This doesn't doesn't mean we still can't be friends though.

-Emperor Crossman, ruler of the Holy Empire of Crossman and sovereign of Crossman Prime

I warn you, in the name of the Crossmanian people. If you do obtain WMDs, do not dare use them to threaten people. I will not allow WMDs to be used for black mail. So if you get them, may you use them for your experiments, otherwise, we will crush you. You are warned.
This doesn't doesn't mean we still can't be friends though.

-Emperor Crossman, ruler of the Holy Empire of Crossman and sovereign of Crossman Prime

Hello fellow nations,

A couple of months ago, our national statisticians noticed an increase in young nations seeking alliances and weapons of mass destruction to defend their nation from other, more aggressive nations.

A lot of them seem to turn to alliances such as the recent “Orcthanc” alliance or they have resorted to buying dodgy nuclear weapons from irresponsible countries. Often these things come with a price, in a alliance you are expected to assist your allies despite the situation in your own nation, you are asked to “trade first within the alliance”. In an alliance you often find that they have an agenda to fulfil, often increasing the amount of enemies your nation may have.

Nuclear weapons tend to attract the attention of large nations, willing to defend them selves again small rogue nations with such an arsenal. Often they may resort to taking them away from you (even though you have done nothing other then acquire these weapons). Overall, people question your motives for wanting such weapons…

Well now there is an easier way of gaining protection without having to build-up your military!

The Iuthian Defence Treaty

This treaty simply requires that you do not build weapons of mass destruction, or eventually dissemble any weapons you may already have. That is all there is to it!

Once that has been acknowledged and accepted, Iuthia will be willing to use our military force as a deterrent against these sorts of attacks, we will literately hunt down any nation who launches a WMD against your nation for whatever reason. Although this doesn’t cover normal conventional attacks the idea is to remove the need for nuclear deterrents, at least for the smaller nations.

You will not be expected to follow Iuthia into any wars, nor will you be expected to follow the Iuthian way of thinking, you will not be obliged to assist us in times of need nor will you be required to do anything beyond agreeing not building WMD. Of course, being hostile towards Iuthia or her close allies does void this treaty.

But what about conventional attacks against your nation? Well under the above treaty, Iuthia will not be obliged to assist your nation, we may do so anyways, but the treaty only covers WMD.

Should you wish for further defence (be you a small nation, a nation wanting to bump their defence or even a pacifist nation) you may request a stronger defence treaty in which Iuthia will protect you against un-provoked* attacks from other nations.
However, we will judge you nation before we agree to this additional defence (the other treaty is for everyone). This is because we will not actively defend nations with a bad human rights record, because it will de-moralise my troops.


So, to re-cap:

Any nation wishing to be part of the first treaty must not develop WMD and be willing to destroy any WMD they currently have. In return for Iuthia’s backing should a nation be willing to use them against you.

Any nation willing to be part of the second treaty will be covered by the first treaty and will have to have a good human rights record and generally not be opposed to Iuthia, in return Iuthia will back you up if someone launches a un-provoked attack*.


Currently Defended Nations:

Renard
Tallcottia
The Free Shire
Firen (still defended but I need to talk to him)



* Unprovoked attack includes attacks done for an unjust reason, such as imperialism. Should you start a war with a nation, Iuthia will not defend you in most cases seeing as you should only start what you can finish.

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I doubt anyone will sell you anything given your age.

And god help you if you use them to threaten anyone. My nation, along with others no doubt, will come down on you like a ton of bricks so to speak. My government does not stand for young nations threatening world peace and possibly causing a nuclear winter.

(OOC: I know, you look at my age and say "you're one to talk", but this is a reactivated nation, that date is the reativation date, not the orig. date. This nation is actully about 2 years old.)

Ill GIVE you one if you want it? do you want it?

Well we want some WMD's as you see we are developing a new car that will allow us to trabel back in time. so we need the WMD, it will allow us to try our experiment.

We pay top dollar for WMD's. you do know there is no scientific way that could work right?

We will purchase WMD's at bulk. thank you

Suitcase nuke cost 5 million dollars.

We formally are opposed to the sale of WMD's to nations under 1 RL month old.

We will purchase WMD's at bulk. thank you

Suitcase nuke cost 5 million dollars.
Its a good thing they're only about 1 kt each...

We will purchase WMD's at bulk. thank you

Suitcase nuke cost 5 million dollars.
Its a good thing they're only about 1 kt each...

OOC: its possible to make it 4 megatons I think if u use a fist sized chunk of uranium.

UK has a population of 60 million and France a population of 45 million(estimations) and they have nuclear weapons. Why cant this guy? personally I despise the use of nuclear weapons. They are a cowards way out.

The Empire of Roycelandia applauds the enlightened view of our learned friends in the Austar Union.

We too refuse to recognise the possession of Atomic Weapons by any nation under 100 million population and/or with an economy not sufficiently stable to support the maintenance and operation of said Atomic Weapons.

The only exception(s) to this that we are prepared to make are in the case of reactivated nations (in which case you'd better be a good RPer, just to prove you aren't a n00b) or Colonies (where the Mother Country has Atomic Weapons and might conceivably supply them to the colony).

At the end of the day, its all just a vicious circle- Big Nations have Nukes, therefore Lttle Nations want them to protect themselves from Big Nations.
N00bs get Nukes, use them on Big nations, Big Nations nuke n00bs, Little Nations get caught in crossfire, n00bs nuke Little Nation, Little Nation nukes Big Nation that "accidentally" nuked them after the n00bs detonated an Atomic Bomb, and eventually the few survivors emerge from the Fallout Shelters and Vaults to either Nuclear Winter, the "Fallout" universe, or Mad-Max style Road Warrior shennigans.

Hence, the reason why New Nations can't have Nuclear Weapons.

you can also get a pocket nuke(dirty bomb) for 2 million.

Just to clear this out of the way, CornixPes does not agree in WMD, as they are the cowards way out. However, in a time of dire needs they may just be the answer.

I have a population of 109 million and a thriving economy. So while we are on the subject is anyone willing to sell me small amounts of WMD just so I have them just in case? If someone threatens to attack me with WMD then it makes sense that I should have some. I will not threaten anyone nor will I use them as an easy way out. We are a Nation of diplomacy.

Just to clear this out of the way, CornixPes does not agree in WMD, as they are the cowards way out. However, in a time of dire needs they may just be the answer.

I have a population of 109 million and a thriving economy. So while we are on the subject is anyone willing to sell me small amounts of WMD just so I have them just in case? If someone threatens to attack me with WMD then it makes sense that I should have some. I will not threaten anyone nor will I use them as an easy way out. We are a Nation of diplomacy.

We offer Suitcase(tact nukes they can be fitted on any missile) and Pocket nukes(dirty bombs they can also be fitted on any missile)

We'll take 50 of each and thank you. These will be stored away.

*350 million wired on confirmation*

They are being sent.

General Note: all Belem nukes are equipped with a tracking/self destruct device so Belem knows where they are at all times we will not interfere in anything you do with the said nukes unless you try to bring them back into Belem. Also any attempt to reverse engineer the bomb or tamper with the tracking device will result in self destruction.

They are being sent.

General Note: all Belem nukes are equipped with a tracking/self destruct device so Belem knows where they are at all times we will not interfere in anything you do with the said nukes unless you try to bring them back into Belem. Also any attempt to reverse engineer the bomb or tamper with the tracking device will result in self destruction.

ooookkkk fine. Thank you.

They are being sent.

General Note: all Belem nukes are equipped with a tracking/self destruct device so Belem knows where they are at all times we will not interfere in anything you do with the said nukes unless you try to bring them back into Belem. Also any attempt to reverse engineer the bomb or tamper with the tracking device will result in self destruction.

cough cough GODMOD cough cough

On another note, you have just bought weapons which he can blow up in your nation any time he feels like... except that it's a godmode to say so...

On another further note, if you move these bombs into a bunker... whatever godmode communication technology they are using to tell Belem where they are will cease to work and they will blow up.

UK has a population of 60 million and France a population of 45 million(estimations) and they have nuclear weapons. Why cant this guy? personally I despise the use of nuclear weapons. They are a cowards way out.

I don't know where u got 45million from France has a Population of 60 Million ~

They are being sent.

General Note: all Belem nukes are equipped with a tracking/self destruct device so Belem knows where they are at all times we will not interfere in anything you do with the said nukes unless you try to bring them back into Belem. Also any attempt to reverse engineer the bomb or tamper with the tracking device will result in self destruction.

cough cough GODMOD cough cough

On another note, you have just bought weapons which he can blow up in your nation any time he feels like... except that it's a godmode to say so...

On another further note, if you move these bombs into a bunker... whatever godmode communication technology they are using to tell Belem where they are will cease to work and they will blow up because.

OOC:the only ways for them to explode is 1. they get brought within 150 miles which puts a warning up in the system, once they are within 50 miles they are self destructed from the command center.
2. the tracking device, firing triger and self destruct device are hardwired together so if you try to unhook one they all go off.
If we just lose contact with it a regular flag goes up and when it reappears(i.e. through transit) its location will be updated. As long as it doesnt go near Belem or as long as it is tampered with it wont be destroyed.

They are being sent.

General Note: all Belem nukes are equipped with a tracking/self destruct device so Belem knows where they are at all times we will not interfere in anything you do with the said nukes unless you try to bring them back into Belem. Also any attempt to reverse engineer the bomb or tamper with the tracking device will result in self destruction.

cough cough GODMOD cough cough

On another note, you have just bought weapons which he can blow up in your nation any time he feels like... except that it's a godmode to say so...

On another further note, if you move these bombs into a bunker... whatever godmode communication technology they are using to tell Belem where they are will cease to work and they will blow up because.

OOC:the only ways for them to explode is 1. they get brought within 150 miles which puts a warning up in the system, once they are within 50 miles they are self destructed from the command center.
2. the tracking device, firing triger and self destruct device are hardwired together so if you try to unhook one they all go off.
If we just lose contact with it a regular flag goes up and when it reappears(i.e. through transit) its location will be updated. As long as it doesnt go near Belem or as long as it is tampered with it wont be destroyed.

OOC:the only ways for them to explode is 1. they get brought within 150 miles which puts a warning up in the system, once they are within 50 miles they are self destructed from the command center.
2. the tracking device, firing triger and self destruct device are hardwired together so if you try to unhook one they all go off.
If we just lose contact with it a regular flag goes up and when it reappears(i.e. through transit) its location will be updated. As long as it doesnt go near Belem or as long as it is tampered with it wont be destroyed.

Ok, I'll take this a step at a time.

For your bombs to go off (by your control) they would require you to send a signal to them. So if I put them in a case of lead, I could just take them as close to your nation as I wanted to on the account that your could find out where it is or tell it to explode.

On another note, your bomb has to have a very power signal to reach as far as you are talking about.

Meanwhile, I don't think anyone has ever managed to make something completely tamper proof... I could probably buy a couple of these things, freeze one completely then find out some of the basics. Then use the knowledge of the frozen one to take apart another bomb safely, changing it how I like.

You want us to accept that these bombs could never get used against you... you're basically trying to get rid of the down side of selling nuclear weapons to the world.

You are also selling weapons normal nations should want to buy... I mean they have to trust you that you, a nation with enough morals to happily sell nuclear weapons to terrorists, not to blow their bombs up in their countries.

But hell... if someone wanted an excuse to go to war, they could just tamper with it anyways, have it blow up and then say you did it. Cause your the evil nation of Belem...

How about just selling normal nuclear weapons... it bad enough you sell "pocket" nukes... but to then tell me it's 100% impossible to mess with is bullshit.

OOC: The signal system I use is based more on sattelite relays built into GPS sats then a powerful transmitter in the bomb. So when its far away we will have a general idea where it is. Say if u bought a bomb instead of being able to tell "ok its Iuthia in such and such a city on Pine street second house from the right and its in the second floor bedroom" it would be "its in Iuthia someplace...probably in this city" But as it gets brought closer to Belem and more scanning devices its alot easier to track its location. So you would need alot of lead to shield the frequency once it gets close to Belem borders.

Of course theres nothing that is completely tamper prooof theres a way to mod everything but its not like your modding your CD Writer to copy pirated protected discs where the worst that could happen is you need a new CD writer or a new disc. The worst that could happen here is use off a nuclear device kill some of your tops engineers and scientists.

In fact thats the reason when asked once why I have the bombs self destruct when tampered with and not just go inactive or have the firing pin break because it makes it easier to tamper with. If you know the bomb is going to fizz out on you youll tamper with it your hearts delight reassemble it and deassemble it, it will probably only take 2 or 3 bombs to figure out how to break the system. but if it self destructs its really not in your best interest to tamper with it because you will lose alot more then you will gain.

Again I woulg like to reiterate, I am willing to purchase WMD's in bulk. one mentioned a suitcase bomb worth $5mil USD. are there anymore bidders?

Free RR will guarantee payment!

We will purchase WMD's at bulk. thank you

I can give you 3 nukes. I use speed delivery for all nations requesting WMDs with a population under 150 million. Speed delivery is where I launch the nukes to your major cities. Still want WMDs?

Oh that is cool nanakaland! could you give me the remote control so I may direct it to my air base. that is an amazing idea!

OOC: The signal system <snip reasonable explaination>

Semi OOC: Fair enough... I'll leave it at that.

However (I say this to all nations that sell nuclear weapons) should any of your Nuclear Weapons be found in Iuthia, or find evidence that it was one of your bombs that our NAFDA system disabled we will hold you to account even if the weapon was not used by your nation.

The last people I said this to argued that ownership stops when the weapon is sold, however, I would beg to differ as we would feel that your lack of responcability when selling these weapon in part caused (or would cause) the death of many of our citizens.

As always, we condemn the sale of these weapons and as such you will remain on the black list as normal...

I suppose that doesn't mean much, but it's the least I can do.

Oh that is cool nanakaland! could you give me the remote control so I may direct it to my air base. that is an amazing idea!

I was being sarcastic, but if you join the Legion of Defence (http://s3.invisionfree.com/Protectorate_Service/index.php?act=idx) as a Protectorate, you'd be allies of many neuclar capable nations and maybe even get a nuke.

Once again, we are asking for WMD's we will pay in bulk! thank you!

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hmmmm if you want nukes wait till your atleast a month old. otherwise some nation who hates Nukes will attack you for possesing a nuclear weapon. Thats why i waited till i was large enough to atleast put up a fight by myself for nuclear weapon hating nations.

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you want a WoMD? is this so you can go up to chicks and say

"Would you like to inspect my Weapon of Mass Destruction?"

my offer still stands.

anyone WMD's we will purchase it. our age is no matter, our people are our own, they work for food and not for money. we are a rich country. lol!

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Belem, in order to maintain anything, you need to be able to fix it, thus taking out parts that are defective, etc. Now, unless these are 100%, never break down, never have a fault, they have to be maintained. As well, even if you had a see-all tracker that sets them off if tampered with, you could work on them by remote from a million (theoretically speaking) miles away. And if this test facility was deep underground, away from your country, I doubt your GPS system, or whatever magical thing you use, would be able to even guess where it is.

All in all, I agree, you are just trying to get rid of the down side of selling nuclear arms. If you are willing to sell them to anyone, be prepared to have them come right back at you if you're not careful.

ooc: How dificcult would it be to haul the system off the active components and put your own on? It's a suitcase bomb not a missile guidance system (you'd have a piece of equipment on the table that sparked because it recognized fault but it'd have no access to the bomb)

Belem, We are a nation that is now a month old. We have waited this long to purchase Nuclear weapons for the reasons already discussed. We are now interested in purchasing five Nukes from you, this amounts to $25 million?

We will wire the money when confirmed

Although you cannot afford a nuclear warhead (alas, neither can we), the ARM is willing to sell you all other components of a nuclear missile. Tracking system, detonator, propulsion, chassis, etc. You state a price you find reasonable (in USD) and we will sell. Note: These units were built before our economy was 'Weak'

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i will sell nukes wire me the money and you will get them