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The First Prince of Shinoxia paces up and down inspecting the troops.

"Have they all been mobillized and trained?" he asks

General Ross, the Secretary of War in Antarctica replied " All of the 200 million have been mobilized and trained. Most carry the Calico assault rifle and the troops are very eager to get into battle."

"Very good," the First Prince replied, "what about the equipment buildup I understand that ships are being designed, what's the completion date on them?"

The Minister of Defence in Antarctica replied " Well, we've incorporated designs on other ships into our own. Designing is going well and General Ross reports theyll been finished in another 6 weeks. The Arctic Tiger tank has been finished, and as requested 10,000 have been made. The nation of Sour Patch kids we're giving the task of designing a stealth bomber and it is believed they will be finished soon."

The First Prince smiled, paused, and said "I don't like the idea of Rotovia wasting his ships in enemy waters like that, he needs to bring them back to Antarctic waters where he may command our Navy...... Very good report, remember that for the time being we've increased military spending to 20% of our income."

The two men nodded and went back to their tasks. The Prince looked at the tanks and other weapons of war being built and smiled to himself. "This shouldnt be too difficult," he thought."With th exception of Wolfish none of the enemy nations present a threat, Ill be sure to contact Cartoria and his region though, just to be sure."

The Prince took one last look at the welders welding on metal on an Arctic Tiger tank and said to himself "And so it begins....."

OOC: Jeezes F***ing dumbass Regional amy's will only be ignored since they cant be used. That army is officially ignored and will be replaced with only YOUR national Army of 3 Million.

OOC: Ive looked at your region doesnt appear to be that big of a threat. Im pretty sure it could be squashed by the current protectorates of Rebeland. so dont go waving around your so called mighty army cause it aint that mighty.

OOC: I know this is an open-rp war, but Svalvard, could you please tell me your reasons for being involved in this conflict? Because so far your behavior is suggesting (a good example of this is in the above quote) that you are simply looking for a fight, and particularly, on the 'big' guys side...
Besides our regional pop. is 4 billion i dont think it will be 'squashed' that easily

P.S.- I also think you should just take it down a notch buddy, your taking this way to seriously into making it a personal matter... Calm down... its just a game.


OOC: Jeezes F***ing dumbass Regional amy's will only be ignored since they cant be used. That army is officially ignored and will be replaced with only YOUR national Army of 3 Million.

Alot of people are granted control of there regions army, this is a popular thing to do on NS, with of course, the other members in the regions consent.
P.S.- Please dont use language like that anymore, thats the last thing everbody needs

OOC: But we will ignore the Regional Army if it is used since the WHOLE Antarctic Region isnt being attacked or NOT all of the Antarctic Nations are posting here. ONlY National Army's will be used if you guys have a problem with that too bad casue thats the way this conflict is since its not Region vs region its Nations vs nations.

ooc: Shinoxia - RP your regional army one more time and you'll be ignored for the duration of this fight.

Here comes my first attack - I'm trying not to get too far ahead, so if there are changes needed to account for counter attacks, I'm willing to make those.

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Rebeland Territorial Waters, midnight.

Admiral Greyson couldn’t sleep. But that was something he was getting used to.

The phone call with Admiral Halsey, at Wolfish Defense Command, had gone well enough – but this was the first big one that Halsey was sitting out – and he had more than a few suggestions for Greyson.

He walked through the hanger deck – over to where the elevator was busy lifting munitions and planes to the flight deck. The bright red shirts of the ordinance teams blurring with controlled, but frantic activity.

He really should be in the C&C – but there was something of a tradition to be followed. Since the earliest days of the Wolfish military, the commander would walk amongst the troops, getting a first hand feel for the mood – for the almost electric tension in the air.

He was sure the mood was the same on board each of the almost 360 warships and supply vessels under his command for this fight.

As he reached the edge of the platform, he light his pipe, and looked down into the cold ocean waters below. He couldn’t help but think about the young men and women who would find their sleep tonight below those depths.

“Admiral?” The voice said from behind. “Admiral – we’ve received the updated intel – the first flights are ready to go.”

“Alright,” he replied slowly, “Let’s get up to the battle bridge.”

=

Flight Briefing Room, WWS (Wolfish Warship) Pegasus

Tim Fitzpatrick had now gone over the plan three times. First when he ripped open the package marked “Top Secret”, the second time with his wingman as they talked through the mission, and now with the whole flight – each time he refined the image in his mind – each maneuver – each stick movement – from takeoff to touchdown.

Minutes later – suited up – he sat waiting his turn to rocket off the deck in a burst of steam. His F-22 heavy with fuel and ordinance.

The crew worked feverishly – his plane moved through the line – finally he took his hands off the stick, saluted the launch team on the deck, and was pushed back into his seat as his plane was thrown into the air.

A millisecond later, his hand reached for the stick and eased the plane upward to meet up with his flight – for the first time in his life – he watched around him as hundreds of planes were launched from carriers throughout the region – forming up over their carriers and waiting to move out.

Refuellers were already busy gassing the planes that were launched first.

Minutes later the call came. “Destiny flight lead – commence Broken Hull.”

“Copy. Destiny flight – let’s go.”

He pushed his stick forward as 7 jets formed up behind him in tight formation. The “operating deck” for his flight was just over 200 feet – at an initial cruising speed of mach 1.1. It would only take about 10 minutes until they were within hostile range.

He continued to play his moves out in his head – keep it low – let other flights worry about hostile aircraft – pop up at the last minute and turn on radar for the first time – and launch as soon as the target is locked – switching off radar as soon as the missile clears the rail…

As he approached his launch zone, he checked his weapons status. The lights on his HUD showed one Moskit anti-ship missiles on the belly rail – on the outer pylons 4 HARM anti-radar missiles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/moskit.htm (mach 3, 250 km range)

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-harm.html (1200 km/h, 100 km range)

“Okay kids,” he said to his flight, “Coming up on the outer marker, arm Moskit,” he flipped the switch himself and pulled back on the stick – gaining 500 feet in a second – he hit the active radar switch and the HUD started screaming with contacts – he locked target on the big radar return – the carrier in the centre of the group – and fired the big missile. “FOXTROT.” He called over the open frequency, hearing at the same time, dozens of voices making the same call.

He pushed the stick back down till he was skimming the wave tops and followed his missiles in – increasing speed to mach 2 as he armed his HARM missiles.

“TALLY HO,” he cried – adrenaline pumping through his body as he loosed the next four missiles.

They quickly streaked away from the plane following the course set by the larger ship-killer.

If the Rotovian ships wanted to survive the Moskit attack, they’d need to turn on their radar to use their defensive systems – but if they turned that radar on – even for a second – the HARMs would lock on and – if all went well – impact on the foredeck – knocking out their command centers.

Tim flung his stick over to the left and throttled back to save fuel for the return flight.

=

The subs had spread out from their battle groups – and had begun the job of tracking the enemy ships long before the flights left the carrier decks.

Sonar operators waited and listened as the subs held back – waiting – their job was to keep deep and quiet – waiting for the ships above to begin to take evasive action to avoid the airborne threats – then the twelve Seawolf-class subs would strike.

=

Summary: 12 carriers (Nimitz or better) launched F-22s or IceBlades for this attack. Each launched 36 strike aircraft. Of those 18 (each) were designated to launch anti-ship missiles as RPed above. Therefore 216 Moskits were launched, and 864 HARMs.

Every single ship in your fleet (in Rebeland waters) was targeted, with multiple planes targeting the big ships (Cruisers, Carriers, Battleships).

The remaining 216 fighters provided air-defense for the strike craft – patrolling above in case of enemy aircraft or missile launches (which I will RP when you make them).

OOC: But we will ignore the Regional Army if it is used since the WHOLE Antarctic Region isnt being attacked or NOT all of the Antarctic Nations are posting here. ONlY National Army's will be used if you guys have a problem with that too bad casue thats the way this conflict is since its not Region vs region its Nations vs nations.

Your arent being attacked either, so why are u sending in forces? We have split our region into different fields of control, such as im the Secretary of War, Dimmimar is the Minister of Defense, Shinoxia is the is the First Lord, etc. We all work together, since different people are interested in different fields. It makes perfect sense and if you persist on not letting us this army then u will be ignored and Rebeland will be attacked. If Rebeland choses to ignore us then so be it, its probably for the better anyway.
P.S.- Im disappointed in you Wolfish, you are supposed to be the professional one in this, and yet u put up with people like Svalvard, and, well... thats just sad.

OOC: But we will ignore the Regional Army if it is used since the WHOLE Antarctic Region isnt being attacked or NOT all of the Antarctic Nations are posting here. ONlY National Army's will be used if you guys have a problem with that too bad casue thats the way this conflict is since its not Region vs region its Nations vs nations.

Your arent being attacked either, so why are u sending in forces? We have split our region into different fields of control, such as im the Secretary of War, Dimmimar is the Minister of Defense, Shinoxia is the is the First Lord, etc. We all work together, since different people are interested in different fields. It makes perfect sense and if you persist on not letting us this army then u will be ignored and Rebeland will be attacked. If Rebeland choses to ignore us then so be it, its probably for the better anyway.
P.S.- Im disappointed in you Wolfish, you are supposed to be the professional one in this, and yet u put up with people like Svalvard, and, well... thats just sad.

Svalvards motives are his own for being involved. Its his call. But you continue to try to RP what isn't yours.

OOC: But we will ignore the Regional Army if it is used since the WHOLE Antarctic Region isnt being attacked or NOT all of the Antarctic Nations are posting here. ONlY National Army's will be used if you guys have a problem with that too bad casue thats the way this conflict is since its not Region vs region its Nations vs nations.

Your arent being attacked either, so why are u sending in forces? We have split our region into different fields of control, such as im the Secretary of War, Dimmimar is the Minister of Defense, Shinoxia is the is the First Lord, etc. We all work together, since different people are interested in different fields. It makes perfect sense and if you persist on not letting us this army then u will be ignored and Rebeland will be attacked. If Rebeland choses to ignore us then so be it, its probably for the better anyway.
P.S.- Im disappointed in you Wolfish, you are supposed to be the professional one in this, and yet u put up with people like Svalvard, and, well... thats just sad.

Svalvards motives are his own for being involved. Its his call. But you continue to try to RP what isn't yours.

Wait, i just got a good idea... why dont we just continue out the war the way it is now, and when its over, everything will just go back the way it was?

OOC: Just went by this thread, wanted to mention something.

One cannot RP or represent an entire region in a case of a war, and use the total force to fight that person. The typical rule is that either the nation RP its own forces, or if some nations are unable to RP (RL reasons, whatever), he has to give permission to the "representive" to allow him to RP his forces assigned for him to RP.

OOC: Just went by this thread, wanted to mention something.

One cannot RP or represent an entire region in a case of a war, and use the total force to fight that person. The typical rule is that either the nation RP its own forces, or if some nations are unable to RP (RL reasons, whatever), he has to give permission to the "representive" to allow him to RP his forces assigned for him to RP.

Are you sure? Almost all of the wars Ive been in the nations that are involved use their region's military. Whenever you get a regional recruiting tg or see a regional recruiting thread the recruiting nation always promises a regional army.

I understand you have been here for awhile and I deeply respect you for that but regional militaries are used quite often.

OOC: Just went by this thread, wanted to mention something.

One cannot RP or represent an entire region in a case of a war, and use the total force to fight that person. The typical rule is that either the nation RP its own forces, or if some nations are unable to RP (RL reasons, whatever), he has to give permission to the "representive" to allow him to RP his forces assigned for him to RP.

Are you sure? Almost all of the wars Ive been in the nations that are involved use their region's military. Whenever you get a regional recruiting tg or see a regional recruiting thread the recruiting nation always promises a regional army.

I understand you have been here for awhile and I deeply respect you for that but regional militaries are used quite often.

I know you and I share a deep respect for Wolfish and Omz222 and their respective accomplishments here. From my point of view, if they tell me that things are done in a particular way, then that's that. I would not dream of telling you what you ought to think or how to conduct an RP, I would only ask you to consider seriously what they have to say regarding the use of regional forces. I'm willing to grant you a fair amount of latitude in style, but if you want to stick with the Regional Army premise, I'll probably just ignore it or leave the thread altogether rather than get into a dispute about it. Again, I'm not telling you what to do, I'm not trying to interfere with your style or concept, I'm just letting you know where my continued participation stands.

By the same token, I'm really not comfortable with some of the OOC insults and namecalling we're seeing here. Svalvard, please tone it down. IC belligerence is one thing, OOC insults and profanity are quite another and not something with which I wish to be associated in any way.

Respectfully,
Hatch

Thank you Hatch. Once again im asking if anybodys up to my idea, that we continue out the war and when its over we just put back everything the way it was.

Thank you Hatch. Once again im asking if anybodys up to my idea, that we continue out the war and when its over we just put back everything the way it was.

ooc I appreciate your effort Moose - and if this conflict started under other circumstances, then perhaps I'd agree - but there are other RPs tied to this one now, and I for one plan on counting this as 'real'. If other nations choose to ignore this after its over, then that's up to them, and I won't stand in their way.

Thank you Hatch. Once again im asking if anybodys up to my idea, that we continue out the war and when its over we just put back everything the way it was.

ooc I appreciate your effort Moose - and if this conflict started under other circumstances, then perhaps I'd agree - but there are other RPs tied to this one now, and I for one plan on counting this as 'real'. If other nations choose to ignore this after its over, then that's up to them, and I won't stand in their way.

OOC: Hey could we postpone this for a week or so, Antarctica has some very important matters that need tended to and we cant be in a war at the moment.

I suspect it will last more than a week anyway.

Thank you Wolfish... Im glad that we finally agree upon something, and to aid in the future of this commerce, all of the Antarctic forces will refrain from military action for 1 week. I repeat, on my order, the Antarctic forces are standing down.

ooc: I suspect Rotovia is going to have a very bad week.

ooc: I suspect Rotovia is going to have a very bad week.
Judging from the Regional message board, it appears that some "restructuring" is contemplated in Antarctica.

OOC: ya ill tone it down some. Its just that i cant stand new ppl who dont follow the ways that have been traditionally followed. Yes i was once an older nation but i stopped playing. i was formed about March or april and stopped playing when school got out cause i left the country the rest is long story.

OOC: ya ill tone it down some. Its just that i cant stand new ppl who dont follow the ways that have been traditionally followed. Yes i was once an older nation but i stopped playing. i was formed about March or april and stopped playing when school got out cause i left the country the rest is long story.

Who were you? Did we know each other?

ooc: I suspect Rotovia is going to have a very bad week.
Judging from the Regional message board, it appears that some "restructuring" is contemplated in Antarctica.

There are massive changes going in Antarctica right now, the ADF has been temporarily disbanded and our region and its military is undergoing a radical change.

When the process is complete, the ADF will be reformed and will be one of the largest, strongest, and best equipped armies in NS.

OOC: ya ill tone it down some. Its just that i cant stand new ppl who dont follow the ways that have been traditionally followed. Yes i was once an older nation but i stopped playing. i was formed about March or april and stopped playing when school got out cause i left the country the rest is long story.

Who were you? Did we know each other?

Nah i refrained from International affiars during that time since i was barely ever at my computer. i Checked up on my nation like once a week and didnt have time to get involved in Wars or anything like that. but incase you might have known me somehow i was North Platte ( that was my current city at the time)

On the Bridge of the RNS Firestorm

Admiral: "There's an odd quiet about this place, haven't seen a single Wolfish spy plane in hours..."

Commander: "Sir, I suspect they wouldn't try anything in the middle of peace ta..."

His words are cut off by the raised hand of the Admiral as, even with his encrouching years the night vision equipment means, he can see the flicker of shapes in the distance.

Admiral: "Ensign, radar! Now!"

Ensign: "Aye sir"

The radar dish begins to spin slowly as the the young officer's panel reveals a grim picture...

Ensign: "We have hostiles", sir!"

Admiral: "And here we are lit up like a god-damn christmass tree!"

He paces back and forth accross the Bridge before giving what would likely be the last order of his life.

Admiral: "Send and encoded transmission to all Rotovian Vessels; Maintain radio silence, do not activate radar, discontinue all power, Pray."

ComOfficer: "Message sent, sir"

Admiral: "Let's give ém one hell of a fight, activate counter-messures, heck give me flood lights! No point in hiding now"

Commader: "Aye sir"

Alarm klaxons sound as the Admiral takes one last look into the horizen...

ooc: I'm basing my attack on the ships shown on page 8 - could you give me an update of what survived? I'm quite willing to loose a number of planes as well - I assume you'll launch Standard Missiles which have a similar range to the HARMs.

W.

Current status of Naval Fleet in Rebelandi waters

Air Craft Carriers:

RNS Hathor
RNS Themis
RNS Heavy Arm
RNS Caretaker (Disabled)
RNS Flamming Arrow (Unknown)
RNS Infinty
RNS Standing Pride
RNS Pathfinder
RNS Liberty (Destroyed)
RNS Lowrider

Battle Ships:

RNS Firestorm (Flagship)
RNS International (Destroyed)
RNS Sympathy (Destroyed)
RNS Anastasia
RNS Hammer
RNS Nighthawk
RNS Gandhi
RNS Broadband (Destroyed)

Support/Supply Craft:

RSS Hail and Thunder
RSS Established
RSS Waters Clear
RSS Standby (Destroyed)
RSS Brisbane
RSS Proffesional

Submarine and aircraft list to come...

bump

I truly tried to avoid this, but it seems as if it was inevitable.

the Full 1st and 2nd fleet are being deployed in Rebeland watars to help Remove Rotovian navy from Rebelands waters.

1st Fleet
1 carrier (200 JSF fighters on board)
35 BattleShips
50 Destroyers
10 Cruisers
2 Guided Missile Cruisers
5 Submarines
50,000 marines on transports

2nd Fleet
1 Carrier ( 100 Dive Bombers, 100 F/A-22 Raptors)
35 battleships
25 Destroyers
10 cruisers
2 Guided Missile Cruisers
5 Submarines
50,000 marines on transports

they will be there in 3 Rl Hr's.

ooc: Rotovia - do you plan on posting an attack, or should I post my next?

ic:

"Scott," Todler looked over to where his Chief of Staff sat, "I think its time we sent them terms for their surrender."

"Don't you think that's premature?"

"Well - the death toll from that last attack was substantial - a carrier and three battleships gone - others hit and damaged - they've got to be feeling that. At the very least its a few billion dollars sitting on the sea floor."

"All right - I'll get in touch with their government - let them know they can quit at any time without economic, or political sanctions - just a promise not to harass Rebeland anymore."

OOC: Sorry for the lack of posting, I was away...will try to respond wiht more later tonight.

IC:

The Argyri fleets stealthily strove through the waters north of the region of conflict, silently moving towards an ever-worsening situation. Admiral Gregorio Albiades knew his hands were tied; how was he supposed to keep peace when all the parties seemed to want naught but war?

Never mind that. Your people and crew are counting on you

Albiades folded his hands in front of him, hoping his troubled thoughts were not betrayed by his expression. There was much work to be done.

Message to all Concerned Parties

The HMR of Argyres continues to call for a peaceful resolution to this crisis. Enough blood has been spilt already.

Admiral Josh Giving orders to his fleet Commanders.Fleet 2 send your 100 dive bombers fully equipped to torpedo the enemy navy and hel give them an incentive to give into Wolfish's Proposed Surrender.

Aye aye sir is heard on the radio. half an hr later 100 Dive bombers take off from the carrier Platte River.

This is Mavro Airo squad leader set your targets on carriers & battleships.

1AM: 100 Dive Bombers suddenly appear on radar after flying at sea level most of the trip. They simultanously release torpedo's at carriers and battleships. The Bombers then turn tail and run away under the cover of ocean. Flying just below Radar level. 5 Dive bombers are lost do to flying to low. 2 Pilots are Recovered 3 others are still MIA.

heres a picture taken by our photographer at 6AM
http://www.wtj.com/articles/kamikaze/img_intrepid.jpg

Office of Obadiah Sistrunk - Minister of Defense, The Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar

"They did what??" Sistrunk slammed his fist on the desk and the speaker-phone let out a squeal as it bounced sideways on the polished teak surface. With a grimace, Sistrunk reached out a hamlike hand and steadied the phone, then continued "You mean to tell me that Rotovia sailed a fleet into hostile waters, got into this damn conflict and never bothered to bring a hospital ship along? All right, that's it. I want HRMS Mercy, HRMS Solace, and HRMS Recompense to make full speed for the Rotovian fleet. Damn it, I know we'll be crossing out of International waters to do it, but there are dying sailors out there. I'll take care of everything here. Do it, now!" Sistrunk stabbed the phone with a thick finger and the protesting voice was cut off, mid-sentence.

***15 minutes later***

Office of Her Royal Majesty Queen Celeste, Lady of the Mahout, Benefactress of the Arts, Defender of the People

"Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy" the corpulent queen clucked softy, "why didn't they listen to you? My late father, may he rest in peace, always said a Todler's word was worth its weight in gold. Those poor Rotovian boys just had to force the issue and now look what's happened." Celeste paused and took a most unladylike gulp from a rhinestone-encrusted gatorade bottle, then belched loudly, smacking her lips as the echo died out. "Myrtle, send the following message to James Todler:

Jimbo: Understand Rotovian fleet has incurred heavy losses. Intelligence indicates that there are no hospital ships in theatre. We are sending three across International line to provide humanitarian aid. HRMS Mercy, HRMS Solace, and HRMS Recompense will cross from your west to east. Kindly do not sink them. Please have Halsey advise Sistrunk or me regarding disposition of our fleet to your south. Also advise on Rotovian resupply, our MEU's have seen no indication of convoy activity.
Sign it Celeste and better not call him Jimbo, he's so stiff and formal sometimes we'd beter just say Mr. President." The queen let out a raucous peal of laughter that set her ample bosom to trembling, and gatorade splashed onto her chin.

From: Pom Palavi, IV - Foreign Minister, the Holy Empire of Hatchibombitar
Open Channel to all Rotovian authorities
We understand that you have incurred heavy losses and are without adequate medical facilites. Three Hospital ships are in transit, will pick up and treat any wounded. Survivors will be delivered to the neutral country of your choice, post hostilities. Kindly do not fire on hospital ships. Humanitarian aid should not be misconstrued as a cessation of hostilities on our part.
signed, Palavi

ok could i have a quick list of sides. i am probly gonna join my allies.

its Defence side-
Rebeland
Wolfish
Hatchibombitar
Svalvard

Agressors-
Rotovia
Shinoxia
& a few others that i cant think of right now

well hell no i'm not gonna help you out shin. wolfish is in this and i know damn well not to go against him

OOC: LOL i never knew Wolfish had that much of a meaning to his name to make another nation say hell no im not going to help you out.

ooc: shin you should just resign before you get your ass beat in by these guys. if it were rebel alone maby you'd have a chance but damn. what are you trying to do metaphoricly speakin break into alkatraz ( damn spellings down the shitter tonight. those waterproofer fumes really get to ya sometimes whoo

ooc: shin you should just resign before you get your ass beat in by these guys. if it were rebel alone maby you'd have a chance but damn. what are you trying to do metaphoricly speakin break into alkatraz ( damn spellings down the shitter tonight. those waterproofer fumes really get to ya sometimes whoo

OOC: hahhaha i cant even spell when im sober so i have no idea how to spell alkatraz or any other word that i dont use much.

i'm just exausted too from too much partyin with friends. god least i don't have school tomorrow

i'm just exausted too from too much partyin with friends. god least i don't have school tomorrow

WHAT you dont have school. OMFG neither does my brother. SOOO unfair just cause i didnt have school when he had a half day doesnt mean i should have to go for a full day one Monday and he doesnt have school at all. man i hate my highschool time to bring it down. Anybody got some C-4 i can borrow.

its Defence side-
Rebeland
Wolfish
Hatchibombitar
Svalvard

Agressors-
Rotovia
Shinoxia
& a few others that i cant think of right now

OOC:
I believe Shinoxia withdrew for a RL week or more, citing restructuring in Antarctica. No one has recently posted, that I can recall, as an ally of Rotovia.

My best understanding of the tactical situation is that the Rotovian fleet remains in Rebeland waters where it has suffered two attacks from the Wolfish combined battle groups (which re-entered Rebeland waters after Rotovia proved intransigent at the peace talks). Rotovian losses have been posted, however it is unclear to me if they cover both attacks or only the first. Hatchibombitar has directed three hospital ships towards the Rotovian fleet as a humanitarian gesture, while maintaining its 3d and 4th Fleets just outside Rebeland waters in support of Wolfish. Hatchibombitar has also placed 4 Marine Expeditionary Units (MEU-SOC's) shipboard in the shipping lanes between Rotovia and Rebeland, with orders to engage and destroy any attempt to resupply the Rotovian fleet. They are also authorized to conduct a limited tactical invasion of Rotovia should circumstances so dictate.

IC: We encourage the Rotovian fleet to depart Rebeland waters posthaste. We have not yet joined the battle, however our patience is not limitless.

Heres my response, the 50 nations in my region and the leaders of the 10 sectors are preparing for war. Weve downsized our military to 150 million and my NAVY alone now has about 350 ships and my airforce alone has about 6,000 planes. By the end of the weak well be far more powerful than wolfish and rebeland.

Also two more allies almost as large as wolfish may get into the war, making us FAR stronger than our enemies

Heres my response, the 50 nations in my region and the leaders of the 10 sectors are preparing for war. Weve downsized our military to 150 million and my NAVY alone now has about 350 ships and my airforce alone has about 6,000 planes. By the end of the weak well be far more powerful than wolfish and rebeland.

Also two more allies almost as large as wolfish may get into the war, making us FAR stronger than our enemies

Heres my response, the 50 nations in my region and the leaders of the 10 sectors are preparing for war. Weve downsized our military to 150 million and my NAVY alone now has about 350 ships and my airforce alone has about 6,000 planes. By the end of the weak well be far more powerful than wolfish and rebeland.

Also two more allies almost as large as wolfish may get into the war, making us FAR stronger than our enemies

OOC: you will of course remember that regional armies will be ignored as we discussed earlier. You'll need to have all 50 nations posting here individually.

Heres my response, the 50 nations in my region and the leaders of the 10 sectors are preparing for war. Weve downsized our military to 150 million and my NAVY alone now has about 350 ships and my airforce alone has about 6,000 planes. By the end of the weak well be far more powerful than wolfish and rebeland.

Also two more allies almost as large as wolfish may get into the war, making us FAR stronger than our enemies

if need be i can bring in support from nations just as large if not bigger then wolfish to our support. that shouldnt be necessary but i will if need be. Those allies of mine consist of The Holy Empire of Ugarit, The Holy Empire of Womblingdon, Wyrd Witches of Pearlian thats all that i had need post for now but there are more from my region and from my alliance that would be willing to support us in the Defence of rebeland.

Now look at their size They could very easily triple our size with only helping us with a % of their army's.

Heres my response, the 50 nations in my region and the leaders of the 10 sectors are preparing for war. Weve downsized our military to 150 million and my NAVY alone now has about 350 ships and my airforce alone has about 6,000 planes. By the end of the weak well be far more powerful than wolfish and rebeland.

Also two more allies almost as large as wolfish may get into the war, making us FAR stronger than our enemies

if need be i can bring in support from nations just as large if not bigger then wolfish to our support. that shouldnt be necessary but i will if need be. Those allies of mine consist of The Holy Empire of Ugarit, The Holy Empire of Womblingdon, Wyrd Witches of Pearlian thats all that i had need post for now but there are more from my region and from my alliance that would be willing to support us in the Defence of rebeland.

Now look at their size They could very easily triple our size with only helping us with a % of their army's.


IC: SHIT



ooc: i am pondering who you will bring in weather its Russian forces Dr_Twist or the other billions

OOC: ok im out guys got school tomorrow. & try try not to make this another 4 pages in the time im gone cause i really really hate reading alot in a short amoiunt of time especially after school is out.

*Open Transmission to all Naval Forces in and adjacent to Rebeland waters from HRMS Mercy*

We have crossed out of International waters into Rebeland waters to aid fallen sailors with our sister ships HRMS Solace and HRMS Recompense. Our mission is merciful, our purpose humanitarian, our manifest medical. We urge all parties to refrain from warlike acts upon us.

http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/smallpics/small.mercy.jpg

Hayes watched the hospital ships move through from the Flag Deck, passing through the DEF lines and out of the International Waters. He sent a transmission to the Hatchibombitar vessels. "This is Admiral Hayes, acting CO of the DEF. You are clear through. We will not fire." he paused. "I hope your ships aren't needed, but it looks like they will be."

To DEF Vessels:
"No firing upon the hospital ships will be tolerated."

The hospital ships showed clearly now on the radar screen.

"Admiral Greyson, I'm showing the humanitarian ships on the board. Designating H1, H2, and H3."

"Very good seaman. Ensure we maintain contact with those ships - and provide them with the location of the ships we put under. No one seems to have started Search and Rescue operations yet."

"Aye Sir - transmitting now."

Greyson sat back in his chair, a spoke in a soft voice, almost to himself, "Brave souls on those ships...brave souls. Hope they keep their heads down - don't trust that Rotovia....nope...not one bit."

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A 941 Typhoon Nuclear Submarine, the NRSS Behemoth, arrives clearly in view of any naval vessel. However, the reason for its being is absolutely unknown.

[code:1:f15dc3b99f]BEHEMOTH begin observing mission of statis ENGAGE if engaged DO not engage civilian ships, hospital ships OBSERVE caution as to actions INITIATE code 45.44 BEGIN observing for possible survivors of any ships ASSIST only when needed assisting for other vessels BEGIN code 48.42 INITIATE scouting[/code:1:f15dc3b99f]

The CSA pilot from the Wolfish carrier Volans had been on routine patrol when he picked up the new contact - a typhoon sitting in plane view on the surface, gently rocking in the ocean swells.

Pushing the mic button he transmitted to both the sub and back to the carrier.

"Unidentified sub - unidentified sub. This is CSA Echo, Volans, please identify yourself...."

He waited, and then continued...

"Unidentified sub - please be advised - you are operating in a combat zone. Conditions are hostile. Repeat - you are operating in a combat zone... please acknowledge."

"Captain," said the Senior Lieutenant suprisingly, "An aircraft has contacted us, they wish for us to acknowledge we are in a Hostile Combat Zone."

Captain Zogrena nodded to the Senior Lieutenant, "We must obide by their requests, for as long as were visible we must comply. Also," he paused, then continued, "Inform them we are on routine patrol and we will dive to periscope debth to be of no trouble."

The Senior Lieutenant nodded, pressing a button to respond, "Carrier based Aircraft, this is the NRSS Behemoth on routine patrol mission, we acknowledge the hostilities and will begin diving manuvers for Periscope Depth to be of no trouble. Behemoth out."

The Captain looked to the Helm Officer, "Go to Periscope Debth and maintain speed of 15 knots."

The Helm Officer nodded, "Go to Periscope Depth, maintain 15 knots, Aye sir."

OOC: Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, I'm still not at my home. Anyway I'm goign to skip ahead since Hatchibombitar pretty much covered everything and it's prettyclear we lost a ship, but not before Wolfish lost a few planes, I'd assume.

IC:

The sun rose slowly as if tauntign the night and the stillness of the water was broken only by the intense flciker of flame and shimer of metal left by the once proud ship, now desolate on the ocean floor.

Morning silence seemed unnatural to be disturved by the voices of sailors clinging desberately to liferafts as the RNS Hathor glides swiftly towards them.

On board the RNS Hathor

Captain: "Send out this message on all frequencies; This is Captain Banks of the Rotovian Naval Ship Hathor. We are searching for survivors of the assault on the RNS Firestorm and as such expect to be granted safe passage. All Rotovian Navy-persons located are to be surrended as sson as possible, Hathor out"

LtCmdr: "Sir, we have located some survivors. Permission to begin rescue efforts?"

Captain: "Granted, and someone contact Naval Command... this is not going to be good."

Ensign: "Sir, since you are acting Fleet Commander what are you orders for the fleet?"

The room was filled with a silence unlike anything heard before as all eye were on the Captain....

NRSS Behemoth, Periscope Depth, 15 Knots

Captain Zogrena paced the bridge, the sonar scanning all the contacts in the area. The masts were still extended to provide both Radar and Radio, the torpedo tubes loaded for any skirmish which the Behemoth would undoubtably win. "Chief of the Watch, send out Microwave Sonar Pulses through the water," Captain Zogrena started, "and make sure the radar is set to low-intense microwave signals to hide it from normal detection." With an "Aye-Aye, Sir" from both the Senior Lieutenant and Junior Lieutenant, Sonar Officer, they got to work adapting the signals at a steady pace.

"Microwave Pulse sent, sir," said the Jr. Lieutenant, "We'll know whats out there in a few seconds at most." Captain Zogrena nodded, looking to the Sr. Lieutenant as he turned and said, "Radar sending low-intensity signals, sir, they wont detect us, much." Nodding again, he returned to pacing, then sat on the single Captains Chair on the bridge, just in front of the periscope.

Sighing, the Captain remembered they had Mini-Nuclear Torpedoes stored on board, to be used against anyone attacking civilians. It was hard keeping The People safe, yet they were determined to keep The People defended and at ease from the trails of war.

ooc: Rotovia - I'm almost ready with my next major attack - unless there is something you want to do first?

Hatch - new tg.

ooc: Rotovia - I'm almost ready with my next major attack - unless there is something you want to do first?

Hatch - new tg.

OOC: In response to the hostile actions taken against Rotovia’s fleet (that we knew was going to occur) we feel compelled to counter this strike with one, single, massive fleet. This force should be enough of an impact to wipe out a nations entire fleet and deeply impact the ships of their allies. The following forces are Shinoxia, Fangar, and my ships combined. They are over at my house right now so they will be unable to post (at least until boot my other computer up). We have the rest of our navy in reserve, if it comes down to using those. They will arrive on site in 3 days (1 RL hour) and will be ready for combat.

Naval Force (provided in the attack):
Flagship: ADF Jack Frost- Guided Missile Cruiser

40 Nimitz Carriers
40 Iowa Class Battleships
30 Hellfire Heavy Cruisers
60 Ticonderoga Guided Missile Cruisers
20 AEGIS Destroyers
100 Spruance Destroyers
40 Zumwalt Destroyers
60 Amundson Class Destroyers (our newly designed class)
30 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
200 Visby Class corvettes
60 Weathered Class torpedo boats
5 Pegasus Class PT boats
20 LA Class attack subs
20 Special Ops Seahorse Class subs
10 Ohio Class Ballistic Missile subs
10 Virginia Class subs
40 Sea Wolf subs
30 Sea Shadow stealth assault ships
20 Arsnel Class stealth ships
3 Minesweepers

Air Force (provided in the attack):

1000 MiG-29’s
300 Su-35’s
500 F-16CZ’s
500 ZF-12c’s
100 ZF-24A/C Stealth Bombers
200 ZF-26A/B Stealth Bombers
100 F-22 Sea Raptors
50 Arctic Subsider Stealth Bombers- Armed with Trident D3 missiles
60 Tigerlily Attack choppers (carried on the Amundsen Class Destroyers)

IC: General Ross stared at the light gray skies though the control room windows on board the ADF Jack Frost. He watched as a massive fleet, his fleet, slowly, one by one edged out into the sea and then picking up speed as they reached international waters. Never in his entire life did he think he would have seen what he saw just then, he thought. 838 fully armed fighting ships. 2,700 planes. He scoffed, quietly and thought new that this gigantic fleet would make his country proud. Then he turned, sat down in his chair, and leaned over to the captain. He said, ‘This is gonna be one hell of a fight’. And the Captain chuckled, and nodded his head.

On the Bridge: HRMS Mercy

It was the smell that reached them first. A soft offshore breeze carried the earthy motes of bunker fuel high aloft and far out to sea. When he scented it, Captain Roger Faulkner, MD, knew he had only to follow his nose. Soon, the scent became mingled with the more acrid pungency of burnt petroleum and seared metal. What had been a bright day darkened as the sun began to be filtered through greasy black smoke.

"Cut your speed, Mr. Dixon" Faulkner ordered. "Put two crewmen on the bow with spotting scopes and let's get a Jayhawk aloft. Get me Recompense and Solace on the radio and let's get them searching in an open grid, west and north. Send an open channel message that we're putting three Search and Rescue birds in the air, I don't want anyone taking potshots."

The huge white ship slowed. As she did, the tone of the increasingly brown-tinged water changed from a crisp slap against the hull to a dull lapping. Waterlogged paper and bits of scrap bobbed half-submerged in the oily sea as yet another smell wafted across the waters, the smell of charred flesh.

OOC: Rotovia, I can't declare survivors for you, but I'll rescue and treat them according to your declaration. While I've made a point of repeating that these ships are humanitarian, feel free to sink one if you want to advance the RP and bring my fleet into active combat.

EDIT: double post

The crusier Divine Retribution orbited the planet. The torpedo bays opened and 60 TYR-Plasma Torpedos spurted out heading towards the Rotovian fleet.


OOC:
Note that each one could destroy a Rotovian ship easily. I do not mind if you ignore these attacks Rotovia...They are locked on to the Rotovian ships and have a radious blast of 60 metres.

OOC:
You will of course be explaining to us how three December nations with a combined population of under 400 million can produce, support and deploy "one, single, massive fleet" to "arrive on site in 3 days" consisting of, by my count:
835 ships
2700 planes

while claiming that "We have the rest of our navy in reserve"!

I can't speak for anyone else here, but my inclination is to ignore you. I'll defer to the judgement of Wolfish in this matter, however.

Uh......Dimm Rotovias on our team man

War ! Who needs it ? Nuke the king lot of them i say.

OOC:
You will of course be explaining to us how three December nations with a combined population of under 400 million can produce, support and deploy "one, single, massive fleet" to "arrive on site in 3 days" consisting of, by my count:
835 ships
2700 planes

while claiming that "We have the rest of our navy in reserve"!

I can't speak for anyone else here, but my inclination is to ignore you. I'll defer to the judgement of Wolfish in this matter, however.

This is perfectly feasable. We temporarily dismantled the ADF which had the combined military budgets and money from exports of all 50 nations in our region, which added up to 15 trillion dollars. So each nation was awarded 300 billion to spend on a new military equipment for each individual nation (this whole dismantiling process was partly done because of everyones insistent complaints of using one big army for our region). Therefore, this 300 billion added to our military budgets we have been saving up makes it perfectly legal in the rules of RPing. We had all of this remoldeling stuff in our regional headquaters, and you yourseft Hatch indicated this in a previous post. Obviously you didnt read it.

OOC: Actually that is not ok, for several reasons

1. There are costs incurred even when you disband something
2. You are still RPing for someone else
3. Your 3 nations cannot have 40 Nimitz carriers let alone the rest of that fleet. How will you crew your ships? Maintain them? Pilot your aircraft? Maintain your aircraft? Populate your cities?
4. You cannot magically spend $300 billion in time for this crisis. You have what you have. If you want to play these games, anyone could just keep buying and buying, and several countries here can easily outspend you

As such, you will be ignored unless you stop these ridiculous claims. You claim to have more aircraft carriers than the entire RL world of over 6 billion people! Multiple TIMES more, in fact.

IC: The Argyri fleets have taken up positions in waters to the east (?-anyone have a map) of the conflict zone, and intend nothing more than to protect innocents and prevent the escalation of this conflict. Reinforcements are on their way. King Memnon once again urges all countries involved to choose the way of peace.

OOC:
You will of course be explaining to us how three December nations with a combined population of under 400 million can produce, support and deploy "one, single, massive fleet" to "arrive on site in 3 days" consisting of, by my count:
835 ships
2700 planes

while claiming that "We have the rest of our navy in reserve"!

I can't speak for anyone else here, but my inclination is to ignore you. I'll defer to the judgement of Wolfish in this matter, however.

This is perfectly feasable. We temporarily dismantled the ADF which had the combined military budgets and money from exports of all 50 nations in our region, which added up to 15 trillion dollars. So each nation was awarded 300 billion to spend on a new military equipment for each individual nation (this whole dismantiling process was partly done because of everyones insistent complaints of using one big army for our region). Therefore, this 300 billion added to our military budgets we have been saving up makes it perfectly legal in the rules of RPing. We had all of this remoldeling stuff in our regional headquaters, and you yourseft Hatch indicated this in a previous post. Obviously you didnt read it.

How could 3 nations formed in December have the economic strength to produce that strong of a navy in about 2 Rl days. If they purchased them it would take days for them to be shipped and outfitted for combat.Plus the approximite man power to man 1 carrer with just seamen is 6,000 Ppl plus if you put air crews on it and pilots your looking around 15,000 PPl per carrier( hence the name of Floating Palaces) i took it on my calulator your looking at over half a million men on just your carriers ALONE. Plus the cost to keep an aircraft carrier out to sea everyday is about 10,000 US $ thats for 1 carrier lets take that times 40 Carriers see what the total would be 400,000 US $ a day to keep 40 carriers out to sea all ALONE. You'd be broke in a matter of days.

:lol: The concentration of godmoding in this thread is overwhelming.

plus 40 Carriers HA way too big. thing that makes me laugh more is they are all going out to sea. the United States of America (The worlds Largest Super Power) only has 15 Aircraft Carriers. Know how many of those go out to sea during war. 2 its cause if all 15 plus battleships, other naval ships, troops & aircraft all went out it would break the US in under 1 month.

IC: The Argyri fleets have taken up positions in waters to the east (?-anyone have a map) of the conflict zone
OOC: No map that I've seen. Here's how I have visualized it, using a clock face for references. Rebeland (the country) roughly spans the entire right side or east side, from 1:00 to 5:00. Rotovia (the country) sits somewhere well south, below the clock on a line drawn from the center of the dial through 6:00. I'm not including any Antarctic forces in this for the time being, for reasons noted earlier.

The Rotovian fleet sits somewhere in the center of the dial. The Wolfish fleet is around 8:00 or 9:00 inside Rebeland waters. The Hatchibombitarian fleet is at 6:00 outside Rebeland waters. The Hatchibombitarian MEU SOC's are south of the fleet, astride the line that leads to Rotovia. Finally, the Hatchibombitarian hospital ships are also in the center of the dial. I welcome corrections, additions etc...

OOC: Actually that is not ok, for several reasons

1. There are costs incurred even when you disband something
2. You are still RPing for someone else
3. Your 3 nations cannot have 40 Nimitz carriers let alone the rest of that fleet. How will you crew your ships? Maintain them? Pilot your aircraft? Maintain your aircraft? Populate your cities?
4. You cannot magically spend $300 billion in time for this crisis. You have what you have. If you want to play these games, anyone could just keep buying and buying, and several countries here can easily outspend you

As such, you will be ignored unless you stop these ridiculous claims. You claim to have more aircraft carriers than the entire RL world of over 6 billion people! Multiple TIMES more, in fact.

IC: The Argyri fleets have taken up positions in waters to the east (?-anyone have a map) of the conflict zone, and intend nothing more than to protect innocents and prevent the escalation of this conflict. Reinforcements are on their way. King Memnon once again urges all countries involved to choose the way of peace.

Ok.
1. I still have 200 billion to spend on things so that should easily cover what your talking about.
2. I can get the two other people that i stated the navy for to post on here, easily. In fact, it seems that Shinoxia has already posted after i did meaning that he is perfectly okay with what i did and he will RP his forces movements shortly.
3. The answer im providing for this accusation should cover what Svalvard is saying also. We bought those carriers fair and square with our share of 300 billion each. I can even show were i bought them from. I crew them with 245,400 men. Svalvard, these carriers dont need 6,000 pilots. They only need 135 each, given 2 pilots per plane, for 67 planes on each ship. Maintaining aircraft and the ship is obviously done by the crew. Oh and on a side note, the pilots, man the planes in case u didnt know. Umm, populating my cities is easy. I have 150 million people and 245,400 men doesnt take that much out of it.
4. This one is easy. I can show u were i bought everything thats mine, just ask me.

Your just gonna have to get better reasons for ignoring me.

To answer questions..... When a military budget is 15 trillion and it breaks up among 50 nations each nation is awarded 300 billion. Other nations I discussed this with agreed with it and had no problem with where the money came from. However, Ill just use my fleet, no one elses

10 Nimitz Carriers
15 Iowa Class Battleships
5 Hellfire Heavy Cruisers
20 Ticonderoga Guided Missile Cruisers
10 AEGIS Destroyers
50 Spruance Destroyers
20 Zumwalt Destroyers
15 Amundson Class Destroyers (our newly designed class)
15 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
100 Visby Class corvettes
30 Weathered Class torpedo boats
10 LA Class attack subs
10 Special Ops Seahorse Class subs
5 Ohio Class Ballistic Missile subs
5 Virginia Class subs
20 Sea Wolf subs
15 Sea Shadow stealth assault ships
5 Arsnel Class stealth ships
3 Minesweepers

Air Force (provided in the attack):

500 MiG-29’s
300 Su-35’s
500 F-16CZ’s
500 ZF-12c’s
100 ZF-24A/C Stealth Bombers
200 ZF-26A/B Stealth Bombers
50 Arctic Subsider Stealth Bombers- Armed with Trident D3 missiles

There I took off the other naval fleets. I'll attack Wolfish's fleet tomorrow, however I will call it off the attack if Rotovia is allowed to return his fleet home.

BTW no hosptial or neutral ships will be targeted.

There is no way a country of your size could afford such a navy or air force.


Consul Supreme McCallister
Head of State, Dominion and Principalities of Eredron
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My fleet:

15 Nimitz Carriers
10 Iowa Class Battleships
20 Hellfire Heavy Cruisers
20 Ticonderoga Guided Missile Cruisers
30 Amundsen Class destroyers
10 Arsnel Stealth Ships
5 Pegasus Class PT boats

My Air Force:
100 F-22 Sea Raptors
50 F-16SF Super Falcons
50 F-15F Sky Eagles
20 F/A-186 Ground Attack Hornets

The following Helicopters are housed on the Amundson Class destroyers:
15 AH-64H Apache Crossbow choppers
15 Tigerlily Assualt Choppers

There is no way a country of your size could afford such a navy or air force.


Consul Supreme McCallister
Head of State, Dominion and Principalities of Eredron
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Jeez he bought all of that with the 300 billion dollars he was awarded! I feel we have made this quite clear and i hope for the sake of common sense that i dont have to say it again.

So, he had 300 billion to purchase those vessels. So what? You think he has anywhere near the servicemen and command personnel required to man those ships, as well as pilot the aircraft? AND the money to maintain those ships?


Consul Supreme McCallister
Head of State, Confederated Republic of Eredron
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5% of his population is like a little more than 7 million people availible for his armed forces, including his navy. That is plenty enough to man those ships. And as for the next thing, he still hasnt gone into his original military budget so im pretty sure he can keep his ships out for the remainder of the war.

The only time that anywhere NEAR 5% of the population could be devoted to the military is during total war, something on the scale of the Second World War. You are looking at something closer to .02%-1% for a standard military force.

To man those Nimitz carriers would require 82,500 servicemen and pilots.

The Iowa's would be well over 20,000 naval personnel.

No support ships were listed, which probably means you don't think you need them, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was an oversight to exclude them.



Consul Supreme McCallister
Head of State, Confederated Republic of Eredron
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OOC: Don't have time for a full response, but suffice it to say that all three Antarctic nations are being ignored as of now (this could change) for godmodding. Countries with populations of 150 million simply do not have 10-15 air craft carriers, and if they do, they don't have nearly the level of other military equipment you claim to have.

Dancing Moose: Even if we say you spend 12% of your nation's GDP on the military (35.72% of budget!), you still have only $444 billion total, good enough for say 14,276 F-15Es. IF THATS ALL YOU BOUGHT. You cannot simply say you purchased all this because there are costs for maintenance, fuel, repairs, crew, docking facilities, etc.

In contrast, let's say I am the one spending 12% of my GDP (only 20.04% of budget)...I have over four TRILLION dollars. If I spend the same proportion of my budget (35.07% in my case), my military can spend over 7 billion dollars.

Please, stop these BS claims that 150 million person nations can field this many ships and reduce your numbers.

OOC:
Shinoxia, Dancing Moose: I mean you no disrespect but your numbers don't hold up.
1) You're asking us to accept that a group of December nations happen to have $15 trillion lying around to split up. Assuming we accept that, it came from a regional military budget. You can't claim you suddenly retrieved $300 billion apiece on top of your military budget; that was your military budget, you spent it on a regional force.
2) Shinoxia, you spent $100 billion on mercenaries a few pages back so you're hurting financially.
3) Seawolf class subs cost between $4-$5 billion apiece. You're claiming 20 of them, which just ate up another $100 billion.
4) Stealth bombers run about $2 billion apiece. That's $600 billion more, for you, Shinoxia.

I told you earlier I'd defer to Wolfish's judgement, and I'll stand by that, but for the short term I feel obliged to ignore the various Antarctic forces. I hope we can come to a mutually agreeable rapprochement, or that Rotovia will sail out and solve the problem. It''d be a shame to have to walk away after we all have invested time and care in this scenario.

The search crews are still out looking for the 3 lost pilots 1 aircraft was found floating in pieces atop the waves. Only 2 Pilots have been located out of 5. The 3 MIA pilots are suspected to be dead or POW to Rotovia.
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Just to make sure my forces are within correct numbers, I ask the veterans of the board to TeleGram to on their opinions to I may know if I have my Armed Forces numbers right:

Supreme Commander of Socialist Armed Forces
Chief Socialist President Thomas Alexandri Ha'Goth
Chief High Commander of Socialist Armed Forces
Chief Socialist General Dandri Gorga Valdri'Katar

Peoples Socialist Defense Army
Classified Battle, Assault, Command, Troop Support, Artillery and Battle Assault Tanks.

-Troops- 800,000 (400,000 in Socialist Defense Reserve)

-Armored Units-
x280 T-55AM Battle Tanks
x240 T-62MK Battle Tanks
x280 T-64B1 Battle Tanks
x280 T-84 Battle Tanks

x420 M60A3 Main Battle Tanks

x80 T-80UM2? "Black Eagle"

x140 M1A2 Abrams Battle Assault Tanks
x280 T-72BV Battle Assault Tanks
x140 T-90K Command Tanks

x200 M551A1 Troop Support Tanks
x180 M3A3 Bradely Troop Support Tanks
x420 BMP-2E Troop Support Tanks

x150 M109A6 Paladin Main Artillery Tanks

Peoples Socialist Defense Navy
Classified NRSS for Nodea Rudav Socialist Sea

-Sea Surface Units-
x1 Sverdlov class Battlecruiser
-NRSS Battle Warrior

x5 Modified Iowa Class Battleships
-NRSS Independence
-NRSS Titan Defender
-NRSS Rudavia
-NRSS Peoples Might
-NRSS Peoples Voice

x1 Orel Ul'yanovsk class Aircraft Carrier
-NRSS Trinity



-Sea Submerged Units-
x4 Akula I-Improved Nuclear Attack Submarine
-NRSS Reliance
-NRSS Defiance
-NRSS Freedom
-NRSS Triton Guardius

x2 Akula II Nuclear Attack Submarine
-NRSS Reliant
-NRSS Relentless

x2 Oscar II Cruise Missle Submarine
-NRSS Socialist Protector
-NRSS Socialist Democracy

x1 941 Typhoon Nuclear Submarine
-NRSS Behemoth

x4 667BDRM Dolphin DELTA IV
-NRSS Delta One
-NRSS Delta Two
-NRSS Delta Three
-NRSS Delta Four

Peoples Socialist Defense Air Force
Classified Fighter, Attacker, Fighter/Attacker, Intercepter, Bomber, Intercepter/Bomber, Tactical Fighter, and Supreme Tactical Fighter

-Military Aircraft-
x40 Su-27 Flanker (SUKHOI)
x40 Su-25 Frogfoot Grach (Rook)
x20 Su-24 Fencer (SUKHOI)
x80 MiG-31 Foxhound (MIKOYAN-GUREVICH)
x20 MiG-27 Flogger D, J (MIKOYAN-GUREVICH)

x40 F-4 Phantom II
x40 F-14 Tomcat
x120 F-16 Fighting Falcon

x20 B-52 Stratofortress
x35 AC-130H Spectre Gunship

x40 C-141B Starlifter
x20 KC-135R Stratotanker

x20 F/A-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter
x20 F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter
x10 B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber
x5 SR-71 Blackbird Spy Planes
x20 B-1B Lancer

x20 Beriev A-50 Mainstay
x40 E-2C Hawkeye
x20 E-3 Sentry (AWACS)

-[i]Rotary Military Aircraft[i]-
x40 Mi-35 Hind E
x80 Mi-17 HIP H
x50 Mi-14 Haze

x20 RAH-66 Comanche
x40 AH-64 Apache
x80 UH-1 Huey Helicopter

x40 V-22 Osprey
x40 H-3 Sea King

Peoples Socialist Nuclear Weapons Defense Command
x10 100 Kt Atomic Bombs
x10 2000 kt Hydrogen Bombs

Socialist Defense Neutronic Weapons Command
x2 2000 Kt Neutronic Fission Bomb
x10 500 Kt Neutronic Fission Bomb

I'm not one of the veterans of the board, by any means, but I suspect no one is going to accept a 2 1/2 week old nation having nuclear technology deployed in the field, let alone having this:

x10 100 Kt Atomic Bombs
x10 2000 kt Hydrogen Bombs
x2 2000 Kt Neutronic Fission Bomb
x10 500 Kt Neutronic Fission Bomb

Other, wiser heads can comment on the overall numbers.

im only little over 1 month old and have yet to start making Nuclear Weaponry but do own 4 Nuclear warheads thanks to its allies. We put most of our Military budget into naval and land power. this is a copy of our Most recent Weapons development. it currently has 40,000 In service 10,000 for special forces 20,000 AB & 10,000 Infantry. thats how many in eaach group are equiped with these
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Dancing Moose, Shinoxia, Fangar: I cannot accept your numbers. Perhaps you'd like to attend Role Play University and take The Evil Overlord's course on logistics, because that's where it all falls apart for you.

Perhaps you could affort to buy it. I could accept that (maybe). But you could never, ever, afford to maintain or operate those forces. Just the salary would bankrupt you.

But - if you tell your story to The Evil Overlord (who is a pro on this stuff) and he says what you've done is okay - then I'll accept it. But for now, you are ignored.

W.

Dancing Moose, Shinoxia, Fangar: I cannot accept your numbers. Perhaps you'd like to attend Role Play University and take The Evil Overlord's course on logistics, because that's where it all falls apart for you.

Perhaps you could affort to buy it. I could accept that (maybe). But you could never, ever, afford to maintain or operate those forces. Just the salary would bankrupt you.

But - if you tell your story to The Evil Overlord (who is a pro on this stuff) and he says what you've done is okay - then I'll accept it. But for now, you are ignored.

W.

if wolfish ignores you then so does The Armed Republic of Svalvard. If you wish to be unignored get more Reasonable Forces then we'll talk. Till then good bye shin, moose,Fangar!

Wolfish and Svalvard,

How much money would the Antartic nations need to supply, mantain, pay the salaries of workers etc.?

The Republic of Wert3813

im only little over 1 month old and have yet to start making Nuclear Weaponry but do own 4 Nuclear warheads thanks to its allies. We put most of our Military budget into naval and land power. this is a copy of our Most recent Weapons development. it currently has 40,000 In service 10,000 for special forces 20,000 AB & 10,000 Infantry. thats how many in eaach group are equiped with these
http://www.smg4u.com/PDW.jpg


Simple OOC Question

Isnt that an MP-7 PDW? Its obviously an H&K design, but which one is it?

im only little over 1 month old and have yet to start making Nuclear Weaponry but do own 4 Nuclear warheads thanks to its allies. We put most of our Military budget into naval and land power. this is a copy of our Most recent Weapons development. it currently has 40,000 In service 10,000 for special forces 20,000 AB & 10,000 Infantry. thats how many in eaach group are equiped with these
http://www.smg4u.com/PDW.jpg


Simple OOC Question

Isnt that an MP-7 PDW? Its obviously an H&K design, but which one is it?

im only little over 1 month old and have yet to start making Nuclear Weaponry but do own 4 Nuclear warheads thanks to its allies. We put most of our Military budget into naval and land power. this is a copy of our Most recent Weapons development. it currently has 40,000 In service 10,000 for special forces 20,000 AB & 10,000 Infantry. thats how many in eaach group are equiped with these
http://www.smg4u.com/PDW.jpg


Simple OOC Question

Isnt that an MP-7 PDW? Its obviously an H&K design, but which one is it?

im only little over 1 month old and have yet to start making Nuclear Weaponry but do own 4 Nuclear warheads thanks to its allies. We put most of our Military budget into naval and land power. this is a copy of our Most recent Weapons development. it currently has 40,000 In service 10,000 for special forces 20,000 AB & 10,000 Infantry. thats how many in eaach group are equiped with these
http://www.smg4u.com/PDW.jpg


Simple OOC Question

Isnt that an MP-7 PDW? Its obviously an H&K design, but which one is it?

Wolfish and Svalvard,

How much money would the Antartic nations need to supply, mantain, pay the salaries of workers etc.?

The Republic of Wert3813

OOC:
I'm not either of them, but I can help with the supply and mantainance area. Each sailor in a modern fleet needs about 500 lbs. of supplies a day in food, fuel, spare parts, ect. (Not for the sailor, for the ship). Each airman needs 1,000 lbs. We'll use Dancing Moose as an example:

15 Nimitz Carriers (3,360 sailors and 2,500 airmen each)
10 Iowa Class Battleships (2,800)
20 Hellfire Heavy Cruisers (I don't know but 358 if it's like Ticonderoga Class)
20 Ticonderoga Guided Missile Cruisers (358)
30 Amundsen Class destroyers (unsure, 346 for Arleigh Burke Class)
10 Arsnel Stealth Ships (No clue)
5 Pegasus Class PT boats (23)

For a total of 96,755 sailors and 37,500 airmen
or
42,938 tons of supplies a day.
(Sources for above info from Jane's Fighting Ships and How To Make War by James F. Dunnigan.)

Now we enter into guess work, although you can see that it would cost a lot to get all of those supplies.

There are several major problems with getting supplies to men at sea:
-Assembling crews (would you like to go into a combat zone if you are a merchant ship's crew?)
-Mobilizing merchant ships (he would have to stop trade with everyone else to supply them)
-Forming convoys (He needs more ships to protect the merchant ones)
-Moving convoys (Unless he is in many wars, his navy has little experiance with working in convoys)
-Time (It takes a while to get the convoys there)

Now this gives some idea of the difficulty, not the cost. So,
50% of the supplies are ammunition at an $30,000 a ton = $645 million a day
35% of it is fuel at $500 a ton = $7.5 million a day
the rest is spare parts which are very expensive, but we'll ignore them

So for 1 day of operation it will cost about $652 million USD in supplies!

Oh, and I guess I can guess at salary cost.
Most of the personnel on the ships are enlisted, for about an average daily salary of $50 dollars per person a day times 96,755 sailors and 37,500 airmen is:
$67 million dollars a day

That is a low estimate, because really guessed low on the average, and I have an old pay grade table.

So to run the fleet for 1 day it would cost Dancing Moose:
$719 million USD!

sorry for the evil super post, trying to edit it

Ya its the Mp-7 PDW. I cant help but love german weaponry since i am German born.

Yea, Germany has ALWASY had an edge on weapons, at least since the end of WW2, my military uses almsot all H&K weapons

Ya its the Mp-7 PDW. I cant help but love german weaponry since i am German born.

Ill have to agrees with u on that Svalvard, german weapons are the best, pariculary H&K.

As for everything else, i just give up. I know i have an adequit system set up for our region (the whole 300 billion dollars thing) but im just tired of trying to back it up. Have a fun war guys!

Now that the First Prince has been overthrown Comrade Amundsen no longer wishes to go to war.

The Revolutionary Army of Shinoxia has been damaged from a war with the Prince and cannot be in a war.

War did i hear someone declare war hahahhaha i want to fight too i want to rid you pacifists from this world rebeland is right they should nuke you all hahahahaha bring it on my massive demon armies will crush all who oppose me ahahahahaha you cant nuke or do anything to my nation cause if you do then the gates to hell will open up and satan and his armies will destroy everyone and everthing dont you dare upset satan now do you hahahaha. :twisted:

all in favor of ignoring TortureandPain say I

War did i hear someone declare war hahahhaha i want to fight too i want to rid you pacifists from this world rebeland is right they should nuke you all hahahahaha bring it on my massive demon armies will crush all who oppose me ahahahahaha you cant nuke or do anything to my nation cause if you do then the gates to hell will open up and satan and his armies will destroy everyone and everthing dont you dare upset satan now do you hahahaha. :twisted:
"Cry havoc and fire the ignore cannons!"

hmm i say Ignore Torture. The devil will be my army setting upon your nation Torture. The flames you will be seeing will be from all the burning builings we bring upon your tiny nation. The Ultimate weapon shall be used the Nuclear Ignore ICBM.

countdown initiated 10...9...8...7....6...5....4....3...2....1...FIRE
http://www.ppu.org.uk/learn/common_picts/atom-bomb-explosion.jpg

FOO! Thats my line, FOO! Don't ever use those nukes, FOO! :lol:

FOO! Thats my line, FOO! Don't ever use those nukes, FOO! :lol:

Actually i was using this before you since i was formed December 16th and started using it 28th of December.

Well, from my standpoint this RP is officially dead. Rebeland, if I were you I would continue on like these guys never attacked you (in this thread). And if they start a new action against you, let me know.

Rotovia - you've got potential as an RPer. If you want to really get into it, let me know. I can help you out.

Cheers,
W.

Well, from my standpoint this RP is officially dead. Rebeland, if I were you I would continue on like these guys never attacked you (in this thread). And if they start a new action against you, let me know.

Rotovia - you've got potential as an RPer. If you want to really get into it, let me know. I can help you out.

Cheers,
W.

I'll join you in bidding adieu. Pity, I though this RP had potential, too.
Best to all,
Hatch

*takes a shot and holds empty glass out to sinking thread*

OOC: my computer has been screwing up alot latly so i havent been able to post in the forum up untill now

RP: my country is still recovering from a civil war but would like to assist Rebeland. EI sends 10,000 dwarfs releif troops to assist in any peace or medical way they can in this situation. Rebeland is simply being pushed around and bullied by older nations. STOP THE FIGHTING

OOC: EI- We've basically called off the RP because we're getting nowhere.

Wolfish- expect to see me @ your role play place soon :)

FOO! Thats my line, FOO! Don't ever use those nukes, FOO! :lol:

Actually i was using this before you since i was formed December 16th and started using it 28th of December.
Actually I was using the IgnoreNUke well before both of you, infact I made a couple of IC.

Ignore weapons predate me - so they predate all of you as well.

I remember people with orbital bombardment nuclear ignore attacks long ago.

Of course, I also remember when half of Nation States turned Bisons into a glass bowl with "real" nuclear weapons. Bisons of course then switched to his puppet, which you may now know as Dark Terror. Ah. Those were the days...