NationStates Jolt Archive

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Invited Nations
Austar Union (Of Course!)
Soviet China II
Grays Hill
Wekawiwoerkn
Aztec National League
Northrop-Grumman
Austica
Lauda
Indigalia
Har Land
Ozymandias IV
Crookfur
Bonstock
Vrak
Euroslavia
Tom Joad
Darkwing Vampyres
Twisted Clan

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[At the Manakar Island Conference Center]

NBC News: LIVE

[The President of the AU stands at the entrance of the Conference Center. Highly Armed Security can be seen everywhere in black suits, and undercover agents are everywhere through-out the crowd of about 10000.]

"I, President William Andrew Sherman, President of the Austar Union, officially declare the world summit on the Profiliation of Weapons of Mass Destruction, OPEN!"

[He cuts the red ribbon and the crowd becomes deadening as he steps off the podium. The President is temproraly lit up in the flashes from the cameras from the world media. On queue, all the attending delegates shuffle into the conference center. Inside, it has been set up similar to that of a circular senate. The delegates move to their designated seats, wherapon they are served with light food and drinks before the meeting begins. A man walks into the chamber, and sits in a large oak chair.]

"Hello, and welcome to the Manakar Island Conference Center on the topic of Weapons of Mass Destruction profiliation amongst rogue nations. I invite you all to read the time-table presented before you."

Time-Table for Debate

Section One: Developing WMD Programs
Article I
The time nations should have to wait before developing a WMD Industry
Article II
The time nations should have to wait before purchasing WMD's

Section Two: The Corporate Sale of WMD's
Article I
The time nations should have to wait before selling WMD's
Article II
The restrictions on the sale of WMD's. eg: who can buy them, how powerful they can be etc

Section Three: Enforcement of this treaty
Article I
The Establishment of a WMD Watchdog?
Article II
Penalties for breach of this treaty

Section Four: Miscellaneous
Article I
Other notes on this treaty

"As you can see, the time-table has been set. There os no set time-limit for debate. Now, lets begin with Section One: Article I." finishes the Speaker.

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Delegate Robertson from the Austar Union stands up.

"Mr Speaker, our world of Nationstates is ravaged with rogue nations. Many of them dont bother to purchase the weapons of mass destruction, instead, simply claiming they own the weapons. Most times they are ignored, however, when does the time come when a nation can legally develop a WMD Industry of their own?

I believe Mr Speaker, that a nation must be at least 30NS Years before a WMD program can be recognised. This translates to approximately 1 RL month. I do not believe that a rogue nation will be willing to stay that long to randomly attack any other nation. That is my proposition to the summit."

Professor James Anderson of the Crookfur office of strategic studies based at Kirkhill unversity asked to be acknowledged by the floor.

SecState Merek III sips his water and prepares to listen to the debate. He had been given orders to wait for at least six hours before entering in the discussions...

Professor James Anderson of the Crookfur office of strategic studies based at Kirkhill unversity asked to be acknowledged by the floor.

Your acknowledgment has been granted Professor James Anderson.

The speaker sips his glass of soda water, and turns to one of his groundsmen, "Ugh, what the hell is this stuff? I asked for spring water damn it."
"Sorry sir, I'll get you your water right away," replied the groundsman, shuffling out of the chambers.
The Speaker turned to the assembly, "So, are there any more arguements on Section One: Article I, or shall I motion to vote?"

OOC:You expect who to accept these rules? and if you wil ltry and enforce them on people, well, you might just get people opposing that...

The DSUANL's Foriegn Affairs Minister, Dr. Darius Wellington waits to hear the upcomming comments. Since the ANL has banned all WMDs, he is interested in what the other nations have to say.

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OOC:You expect who to accept these rules? and if you wil ltry and enforce them on people, well, you might just get people opposing that...

Chellis, note in the topic line:

Anti-Profiliation of WMD's Summit Opened! (invite only)

multiple posts

My most sincere apologies

The DSUANL's Foriegn Affairs Minister, Dr. Darius Wellington waits to hear the upcomming comments. Since the ANL has banned all WMDs, he is interested in what the other nations have to say.

OOC:
OOC:You expect who to accept these rules? and if you wil ltry and enforce them on people, well, you might just get people opposing that...

Chellis, note in the topic line:

Anti-Profiliation of WMD's Summit Opened! (invite only)

Whats your point? Im not getting involved in the rp part. However, I assume this will have some impact on something somewhere. I just wish to know who you plan on trying to enforce this on.

The DSUANL's Foriegn Affairs Minister, Dr. Darius Wellington waits to hear the upcomming comments. Since the ANL has banned all WMDs, he is interested in what the other nations have to say.

OOC:
OOC:You expect who to accept these rules? and if you wil ltry and enforce them on people, well, you might just get people opposing that...

Chellis, note in the topic line:

Anti-Profiliation of WMD's Summit Opened! (invite only)

Whats your point? Im not getting involved in the rp part. However, I assume this will have some impact on something somewhere. I just wish to know who you plan on trying to enforce this on.

These talks are planned to affect the whole NS World. We are pretty much just establishing game RP rules, becuase there really isnt anything properly set here yet.

The DSUANL's Foriegn Affairs Minister, Dr. Darius Wellington waits to hear the upcomming comments. Since the ANL has banned all WMDs, he is interested in what the other nations have to say.

OOC:
OOC:You expect who to accept these rules? and if you wil ltry and enforce them on people, well, you might just get people opposing that...

Chellis, note in the topic line:

Anti-Profiliation of WMD's Summit Opened! (invite only)

Whats your point? Im not getting involved in the rp part. However, I assume this will have some impact on something somewhere. I just wish to know who you plan on trying to enforce this on.

These talks are planned to affect the whole NS World. We are pretty much just establishing game RP rules, becuase there really isnt anything properly set here yet.

OOC: and how are u going to enforce these rules? People are allowed to buy and sell what they please. I sell suitcase nukes for a reason because they are cheap and theres a big market for them with small nations.

We will discuss on the enforcement of these rules in this conference. Maybe a WMD watchdog will be established...

OOC:Like you said, this affects the NS world. Besides, how can a bunch of small nations make desicions for the game? Shouldnt it be limited to the large, important nations?

Well get the larger nations to come here, and TG me, and then they can take part in this conference.

END ALL OOC COMMENTS AS OF NOW

Back in character...

The Minister of State for Foreign Affairs looks up to address the convention:

"The Kingdom of Austica wishes to know just exactly what happens to nations under the specified age, who currently possess ICBM's or WMD's?

The decisions of this conference cannot be made retrospectively. Austica does not intend to disarm all of it's Strategic Missile Submarine Fleet. We would be willing to start dismantling some of it, however with the present global situation it would be adverse to our national security to destroy all of our ICBM's presently in operation on the seas.

The Kingdom of Austica calls for a realistic approach. Yes, set limits to the dates of when a nation can acquire a nuclear capability, however, at the same time, let us all be realistic in dealing with the problem of nations who already possess such weapons.

Austica proposes a Systematic dismantling of up to 1/5 of all nuclear weapons presently in operation in all nations which are attending this forum - Further, we request that the convener of this meeting, then approach the United Nations with a proposal for the rest of the world to follow.

If voted for, in this meeting, all nations attending this meeting would have to begin dismantling 1/5 of their nuclear capability. This should be complete by July of this year"

Austica hereby passes this resolution to the chair of the meeting to be voted on, alongside Section One.

The AU Delegate looks over to the Delegate from Austica,

"Obviously it would be unfair to ask any nations to currently dismantle their nuclear capability. I propose that when this resolution to be put into effect, it will effect all new nations as of the date the full agreement is signed. There will be a full RL month before this treaty comes into full effect then.

I would not support the dismantlement of my nation's nuclear capablities. We will not dismantle 1/5 of our WMD program. We may be involoved in a conflict soon which requires every weapon we've got."

The Minister looks accross to the chair

"Austica is satisfied with those comments, however asks that AU consider such a dismantlement program perhaps sometime in the future. Austica is not comfortable with such dismantlement, however, if every nation were to commit itself to this kind of disarmament, we would consider it

Thank You"

Austica votes Yes to AU's first motion with regards to section I

Current Vote on AU proposal Section One: Article I

Yes: 2
No: 0

OOC: Just do updates on this poll as it goes along ppl. :wink:

The Minister looks accross to the chair

"Austica is satisfied with those comments, however asks that AU consider such a dismantlement program perhaps sometime in the future. Austica is not comfortable with such dismantlement, however, if every nation were to commit itself to this kind of disarmament, we would consider it

Thank You"

Austica votes Yes to AU's first motion with regards to section I

We believe that such a dismantlement program is quite a good idea, and may re-consider in the future.

OOC: I'm getting mixed up here. It seems that you are trying to take an IC action (this treaty) over an OOC thing (nations have to wait before developing WMDs). If that's the case, then count me out. I'm not going to waste my time policing newbies because it's not my job.


IC:

The Vrakian rep looks over the proposed treaty.

"Really," he begins, lowering his glasses and eyeing the assembled delegates, "This is far too idealistic. As well, why should we place ourselves as so called 'watchdogs' over other nations telling them what they should do? We ourselves have enough worries without having to send out troops and equipment to police others.

We don't worry about these so called 'rogue' states because, quite frankly, any nation that dares to launch a WMD our way will face a swift and full-scale retaliation.

As well, this document does not mention the dangerous practice of using ICBMs to launch conventional warheads. I'm sure you all can agree that an ICBM heading towards your respective nations would be perceived as an ICBM carrying a WMD payload, not a conventional one. To think otherwise is folly. Therefore, we recommend that an official condemnation go out to those nations that continue in the absurd behaviour of launching ICBMs with conventional warheads."

The Republic will agree to the proposal in Article I though we do not believe it restrictive enough.

Current Vote on AU proposal Section One: Article I

Yes:3
No: 0

Dana Barrett, secretary of press for The Doomsday Cult, steps to the podium.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I can't believe what I'm hearing. Although it is The Doomsday Cult's belief that the threat of Weapons of Mass Population Restructuring is in fact a real one, let's be perfectly honest. Who's going to ensure that the "waiting period" is adhered to? There is a very real risk that whichever nations end up on the 'watchdog panel,' as it were, would be an extremely likely threat for state-sponsored terrorist attacks and threats. The Doomsday Cult feels that before the world can deal with the threat of Weapons of Mass Population Restructuring (which are very effective in the right hands), it must first deal with its growing terrorist threat. Therefore, as the resolution stands now, The Doomsday Cult must vote no.

Current Vote on AU proposal Section One: Article I

Yes:3
No: 1

Delegate Robertson from the AU Stands to his feet:

"Gentlemen, I can agree that the policing of these ideal will be difficult, but it is my firm belief that if we can pursude our world to accept these rules, the rules will police themselves..."

The Speaker looks out to the general assembly,
"Delegate from Vrak, your mention of conventional warheads on ICBMs belongs in the misellaneous section. Please, you know the time-table, and please keep on topic."

Prof. Anderson takes the stand:

Fellow concerned nations, it has fallen to myself to perhaps point out some facts:
While the developement of a nuclear capability is a massive undertaking it is not impossible and it is quite possible that a small nation could conceivably develope one. But this would cause huge deficites on all other areas of thier military and civilian programs. Chemical and biological weapons are also not implausable for a young nation to produce.

While this may cause some concern as it suggests that a young nation can run around with such weapons let me allay your fears. While the deveopemnt of these weapons is plausable, to do so while biulding up the infrastructure to support them and develope and/or purchase delivery mechanisms is almost impossible.

A young nation professing to posses such capabilities is obviously engaging in missinfromation. Even if they were to be able to afford the purchase of such material on the market they simply cannot afford the infrastucture to support these weapons and as such any such claims should be disregaurded(selective ignore basically)

secondly any such programs in the possesion of a small nation will be both obvious to a properly concerned advisor and very vunerable to attack (ie isreal effectively destroyed Iraq's program in one go and have a plan to destroy Iran's even though it would involve flying miles out of the way and dodging allied air defense in iraq for political reasons).

In conclusion his majesties government feels that set restrictions placed upon younger nations are simply not needed as these situations tend to limit themselves.

hence the Crookfur delagation votes Nay to this matter

OOC: basically if a young nation threatens you with a nuke and can't supply good evendence of how on earth he can support it (be picky and demad spreadsheets etc etc) then first point out to him that either he has the nuke and no realy army or defenses or he has an army and if this doesn't work then just ignore him.

Current Vote on AU proposal Section One: Article I

Yes:3
No: 2

The representative for the ISTJ collects his thoughts and shuffles a few papers in preperation for his opening decleration.

"There is much cause for concern amongst us all present, if there was not then this summit would of never been possible, however we cannot set ourselves the goal of enforcing, policing or deciding the law for those who cannot do so for themselves. We therefore suggest that this summit turn it's attention away from such matters and instead focusing on security measures that can be put in place to at least attempt to prevent the use of any WMDs.

Also the classification of WMDs needs to be established for the purposes of this summit. The ISTJ classes radialogical, biological, chemical and napalm or it's equivalents as WMDs.

The Delegate from the Austar Union sips his glass of water, and leans forward towards his microphone:

"Such matters of policing would not be the duty of ourselves, but the general international community. If we were to influence them to accept the things discussed here, it would not be our own duty.

I agree with the representative for the ISTJ. Perhaps some kind of defense treaty may be formed out of these talks. But we will discuss such matters later."

Secretary of State Norman McKinney approaches the podium:

"A newly formed nation can have the ability to buy WMD, but they lack the necessary resources to develop them. Also, you do not need an expensive delivery mechanism to transport an atomic bomb to its intended target. Currently, the F/A-18 Hornet which costs just under $60 million has the ability to carry B-57 or B-61 nuclear bombs, which has a yield of 170 kilotons or 170,000 pounds of TNT and can level a city.
Secondly, we should not be determining whether or not a small nation can have WMD. Instead, we should be making sure those that have them are responsible and not blowing everyone they do not like to tiny bits.

The AU Delegate raises his hand, "Agreed."

The Speaker stands up, "Should I consider this vote as final?"

agrees and votes in favour

ooc: I think this thread is pretty dead!

OOC: pretty much. I was offline for quite a while. Can you TG me the details of the whole forum?