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I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

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. Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.


speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

Weaponry:

4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!


okay.... *god modder* I barely know anything about subs and My design has been called god modder but nothing is as bad as yours.... 70 knots... What the hell are you thinking? My design is a secret- you just don't know

Radar:latest design(WTF) you should bother to check yourself

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air

yeah... and it's only 200 feet

HAve a nice day :x

I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

I dont know that much about subs myself, but that is quite a lot of launch pads you have. Your largest submarine, is, quite frankly, humongous. And your speeds are incredibly fast.

I can understand your 'lastest' though, I don't want the radar for my upcoming attack submarine to be carbon copies of realworld versions.

200 feet isn't that small, actually :) But 700 is huge.

I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

I dont know that much about subs myself, but that is quite a lot of launch pads you have. Your largest submarine, is, quite frankly, humongous. And your speeds are incredibly fast.

I can understand your 'lastest' though, I don't want the radar for my upcoming attack submarine to be carbon copies of realworld versions.

200 feet isn't that small, actually :) But 700 is huge.

I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

I dont know that much about subs myself, but that is quite a lot of launch pads you have. Your largest submarine, is, quite frankly, humongous. And your speeds are incredibly fast.

I can understand your 'lastest' though, I don't want the radar for my upcoming attack submarine to be carbon copies of realworld versions.

200 feet isn't that small, actually :) But 700 is huge.

I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

I dont know that much about subs myself, but that is quite a lot of launch pads you have. Your largest submarine, is, quite frankly, humongous. And your speeds are incredibly fast.

I can understand your 'lastest' though, I don't want the radar for my upcoming attack submarine to be carbon copies of realworld versions.

200 feet isn't that small, actually :) But 700 is huge.

I have created a new shbmarine, that at best would resemble a tuna on radar, infra red, heat sensing, sonar(active or passave), or any other means of dectecting a submarine, exept visual (could only be seen very short distances, even in shallow water). Also, there is much reduced wake, as there are no propellers! I cannot tell exactly how it works, for design safety.

Spesefications:

speed:(knot's 70 55 50
length:200 (torpedo) , 500 (whale) , or 700 (Hayoo) feet (please spesify)
width: 50, 125, or 175 feet (depending on length)

Detection systems:

Radar: latest
sonar: active and passave
Heat detecting: latest
Sonar mines

max time submerged: torpedo: 2 months Whale: 3 months Hayooo: 5 months

Weaponry:

Torpedos: 4 tubes
4 heatseeking
20 guided
10 radar seekind
30 lock-on

Missiles: 10 launch pads, 25 launch pads, 35 launch pads
General 50 patriot 75 patriot 200 patriot
10 balistic 20 balistic 50 balistic
20 anti-air 50 anti-air 100 anti-air
the price is as follows:
torpedo: 1 billion
whale: 1.5 billion
Hayooo: 2 billion

have a nice day!

I dont know that much about subs myself, but that is quite a lot of launch pads you have. Your largest submarine, is, quite frankly, humongous. And your speeds are incredibly fast.

I can understand your 'lastest' though, I don't want the radar for my upcoming attack submarine to be carbon copies of realworld versions.

200 feet isn't that small, actually :) But 700 is huge.

it is entirely possible, as there is no ingines inside the sub, if I could show you, you would agree.

thats one big tuna :shock:

(thats what id think if i saw it whilsty in a sub, about an eigth of a second later i would realise it wasnt a tuna)

a) Radar-seeking torps won't do jack underwater...sonar tends to be the main tech.

b) Heat-seeking torps will to quite a bit less than jack.

c) "lock-on" is an indication that a seeker (for any seeker-type weapon) has identified a target and is following it...it isn't an independant type of torp.

d) Patriot missiles won't do well in a sub...not adapted for launch from underwater in anyway.

e) The design is way too farked for even me to figure out...please try again and stick with one figure set/stat.

Actually, on the 700 feet sub, 35 Launch pads could be squeezed in there. Who says launch pads have to be gigantic in size? So, yea, the launch pads would possibly fit.

Taiwanese satellites have successfully detected the submarines from space, due to cavitation.

it is entirely possible, as there is no ingines inside the sub, if I could show you, you would agree.

Dear God, newb of the year award, hear ya go *hands you an award that says "n00b".

First off, the only way you would be able to achieve those speeds is by cavitation(super-cavitation) and that would make everyone and their mother be able to detect you on sonar.

Second, generally the water is -very- cold out there, so I doubt Heat Seeking devices will do any good. Radar is air, Sonar is water, a sub wouldn't need any radar devices.

Patriots are generally anti-air missiles, and fired from the Patriot Missile Launcher system ;) If you mean Tomahawk, wel then that's fine and dandy - but you have way to many launch pads, and have to many missiles. A submarine wouldn't need anti-air missiles either, those are for destroyers and frigates(and cruisers)

If your boat would be able to go underwater for that many months, it would have to be Nuclear Powered. Nuclear Powered submarines cost a lot to build, and to maintain. You wouldn't be able to sell them for 1-2 billion. More like 4+ billion. Assuming this thing has top of the line gear.

Really, if you are going to "develop" a product, at least read some information on the type of product you are going to design. You could have at least researched submarines to figure out what was possible and what isn't.

OOC: Egad! That 700 footer's larger than the mighty Typhoon class.

Second, generally the water is -very- cold out there, so I doubt Heat Seeking devices will do any good. Radar is air, Sonar is water, a sub wouldn't need any radar devices.

Actually, the heat-seeking torpedoes are one of the most reasonable things on the sub. Because of the temperature difference between a sub and the water, it would be able to identify it well. Unfortunately it could just as easily target the sub that fired the torpedo or a passing whale. Active sonar is still better. Also, radar doesn't even work underwater.

Radar does not work underwater, yes, but modern day subs DO have radar for anti-air and anti-ship applications. It works quite well.

Second, generally the water is -very- cold out there, so I doubt Heat Seeking devices will do any good. Radar is air, Sonar is water, a sub wouldn't need any radar devices.

Actually, the heat-seeking torpedoes are one of the most reasonable things on the sub. Because of the temperature difference between a sub and the water, it would be able to identify it well. Unfortunately it could just as easily target the sub that fired the torpedo or a passing whale. Active sonar is still better. Also, radar doesn't even work underwater.

The heat difference between a sub and the surrounding water would not be significant vs. the heat gradient between the water at the fired level and at a slightly higher level (like at the surface)...heat-seeking missiles seak large heat signatures, submarines have at most a few degrees difference from the surroundings and could be mistaken for a cold or warm pocket of water. Jet exhausts with temperature gradients vs. the surroundings of scores of degrees...IR is useless for such targets.

Radar works against air and sea targets, but there aren't radar-guided torps.

Sub-based SAMs could work...no problem with that.

As a critic of Penguisiana I called it God moding however this is a king of Godmoding. Not only would it take major new technologies to produce the sub it is completly idiotic and serves no function other then being a terribly designed sub. Penguisiana's was 50 times more realistic then this BS

And here we have an example of what happens when someone decides to design the perfect unit without bothering to do any research on the subject. In other words, utter crap.

Reduction: IR and Radar are pointless. The only portion that can be detected by radar is the mast, when it's poked above for using the periscope, radar, or communications equipment. And there's not much you can do there. IR as stated, won't do squat. For sonar, it's physically impossible for it to have the signature of a tuna. Active sonar will show it as a big sub. You can only reduce the range at which it can get a good return. Passive sonar again, you can't make the sub sound like a swimming tuna. It sounds like a moving sub. All you can do is reduce the ability of sensors to hear it. Visual detection: again, you can't make it invisible, so in shallow, clear water, it can be seen - easily. You could use some camoflage paint, but you'd have to repaint it every time you wanted to send it somewhere else. Kind of stupid.

70 knots is only obtainable on torpedoes (and only 2 existing models at that), and the largest sub that broke 40 knots was an Alfa, which is less than 5000 tons. No submarine in history could make 50. Since I know of no means of propulsion that would allow for this kind of speed and reduce wake, I get the impression that the only reason you don't give a plausible explanation is that you can't. Go back to standard propulsion, and remember that this shouldn't exceed 35 knots on the small one. As for the 700 ft sub, it would not be going much more than 20 knots. It's just too big.

Patriots cannot be launched from any ships. The reason is that they were designed for land use, and are not resistant to salt water. Most of your missiles would be rendered useless before they were even launched. The naval version is the SM-2.

Submarines do have radar, but they don't have sufficient capability to guide a missile, and have only limited aircraft tracking ability, and only that really big one could have the systems needed for that. For the others, it has to be an active homer. Guess what, the only active homing naval missile in the US arsenal is the RAM. Range <10 km. No one else has much better. The only SAM-armed submarines are Soviet diesel-electric boats with modified SA-7/14s (shoulder-fired SAMs).

Missile and torpedo numbers are absurd. The most combined missiles and torpedoes on a sub is less than 60. Most have much less. They don't have the space for more. You should nave no more than 24 torpedoes, based on the number of tubes. And the missile armament is just stupid. I won't even bother with it.

As noted, torpedoes have 4 categories of guidance available: command, acoustic, inertial, and none. Only the first can autonomously track an evading target. Command (wire guidance) and inertial would normally be used to back up acoustic, as that has short range. They would not be effective on their own.

Price. I'd say at least triple it, but only if you drop the missiles. Otherwise, 10x would do.