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The Zoogie People is looking for a few good tanks to have a contract with. Starting next NS year (Next RL week regardless what system you go by,) The Zoogie People will grant a contract to a single nation. The contract, as it looks now, will be to construct a tank factory (ecological of course :P) inside of The Zoogie People and construct

100 New Tank Destroyers
400 Light Battle Tanks
100 Heavy Battle Tanks
200 Main Battle Tanks

Every year for fifteen NS years. Contract may be extended but may not be ended by either party. Post here with either links or pics of your tank and descriptions. The contract's numbers are not firm they are adjustable, but we do ask that you at least have the latter 3 tanks.

I am currently looking into the tanks of Kazakhstania, as my prime candidate. However to be open-minded, one needs a broader spectrum to look at.

These are better than Kazakhstanias (better armor, better fire control, better armament!):

New generation tanks on sale (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2037025#2037025)

For your light tank contract (theyre protected by titanium armor and can have Electrical Effect Armor installed, however then they are no longer airdroppable).
Amphibious and airdroppable tanks on sale (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80069&highlight=)

Hold on, I asked an ally who makes excellent tank destroyers to post here.

PS:
The GT-1 and GT-2 can be considered both heavy and main battle tanks. Officially, theyre heavy battle tanks. By weight, they do not exceed 65 tons due to the advanced armor used. By armameny, they have ATGM pods, 135mm ETC guns, 40mm coaxial autocannons, and gun fired ATGM's.

Hey Zoogie I have a tank that works well for tank destroying.

In fact Ive sold millions of them and ppl regulary ask for production rights. Ill post pictures and specs later.

Hey Zoogie I have a tank that works well for tank destroying.

In fact Ive sold millions of them and ppl regulary ask for production rights. Ill post pictures and specs later.

Keep this in mind.

Shut Up.

Integrated Defence Systems would like to intrest you in our "Al-Khaild" MBT, we are sure you will be pleased with the price.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2527079#2527079

Please follow the link.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103133&highlight=
M-26 Main Battle Tank (Best one I got)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101825&highlight=
M-22 Tank Dstroyer (Worlds best)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100354&highlight=
M-15 Light Main Battle Tank

AGNOS Arms Manufacturing (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41165) To navigate, simply go to the page upon which the master list has indicated for the specifications.

We'd like to be considred as another potential contractor. We currently have five tanks for sale with new ones in development.

AMG-45 Emminence
AMG-100 Excelsior
AMG-101 Relegator
AMG-102 Eradicator
AMG-002 Cossack

M1A5-04 Abrams Main Battle Tanks

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1a1-xf-pic103.jpg

Crew: Commander, Gunner & Driver (Three)

Weight: 58 Tons
Length (Gun Forward) 414.25 inches
Turret Height: 121 inches
Width: 157 inches
Ground Clearance: 24 inches
Armor Type: Chobham-2
NERA-1 Blocks (not pictured)

Obstacle Crossing: 56 inches
Vertical Trench: 9 Feet 10 inches
Power Plant: AGT-2500 Hydrogen Turbine Engine
Power Rating: 1650 HP
Power to Weight Ratio:
Hydro Kinetic Transmission: 5 Speed Forward
2 Speed Reverse

Speed - Maximum: 48 mph
Speed - Cross Country: 35 mph
Speed - 10% Slope: 24 mph
Speed - 60% Slope 5.1 mph
Acceleration: (0 to 20 mph): 7 Seconds
Cruising Range 295 Miles

Main Armament: 140mm ETC Smoothbore
Co-Arnament: 30mm AutoCannon
Commander's Weapon: .50 Cal M2B Machinegun
Coaxial Weapon: 7.62 M240 Machinegun
Pod Mount Weapons: 8 Stinger SAM's or 8 Dragon ATGM's
Autolaoder: 12 RPM

NBC System: 225 SCFM - CleanCooled Air
Computer Systems: Battlefield Management Computer
Auto Target Computer
Cannon and Coax Management Computer
Infrared, Thermal and Optical Imagers
Anti Aircraft Thermal Device
Engine Economy Monitor

Upgrades:

Computer Systems
Armor
Non Explosive Reactive Armor (not in pic)
Major Arnament Change
12 RPM Autoloader
Hydrogen Engine
Missile Pods

NOTE: All heat problems solved with new engine, and the armor no longer is weak at certain points.

Cost: $3,500,000 each

Probably get murdered but.....

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110533

It really depends on what you want in each of your four classifications. For example, for most people my ST-1 Firefly would be an MBT instead of a light infantry support tank. However, the MT-7 Jackson is our MBT class tank and compared to that the Firefly is a light tank. The HT-1 Conqueror is both a heavy tank and a tank destroyer, it just depends on what role you want to use it for.

OOC:
kazakhstania, your tank destroyer is really pitiful as my GT's could whoop it, much less Hole Where Evil Lives' T-7 Gilgamesh tank destroyer with tis 155mm ETC gun.

Hey Zoogie I have a tank that works well for tank destroying.

In fact Ive sold millions of them and ppl regulary ask for production rights. Ill post pictures and specs later.

Keep this in mind.

Shut Up.

Wow nice post there buddy, way to be completely off topic.

Good post, now go play with your Legos buddy.

Congratulations ATA, your an idiot.

Hole Where Evil Lives' major armored combat vehicle provider Aresmat has an announcement:

CEO: We would like to announce our bid for the contract.
(he motions to a man in a suit which is not quite as nice as his and he presses a button which causes a big screen with specifications on it to come into view, which can be seen here along with its sales and reputation, its very good reputation:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=)
The T7 Gilgamesh is being put forward as a tank destroyer or heavy tank. It can clearly fill both roles and if you have any questions about its specifications contact us via telegram. Its reputation is excellent which you can see from sales and approvals. Crookfur is the other main developer (although there are four) and may assist you as well.

HWEL government rep: I would like to recomend Dark Terrors well designed vehicles as well as our own. You may ask him, a good friend of ours about the quality of the T7 Gilgamesh which is in service with his military in great numbers.

Design engineers:
(guy#1): We may also be of help in your decision process. We of course have excellent knowledge of tank design so any questions regarding certain technologies we can help you with. Besides we love to discredit other peoples designs.
(guy#2 from behind a large set of glasses and pathetic goatee): Yea. Kazahkistania's tank destroyer can't be the best in the world because our's is.
(guy#1): The tank's sales speek for themselves. Multiple, massive orders is what best describes it.
(guy#3 with a beard): I would advise it as an MBT but there are a few complications in your chosing it as one. Many people do but that's all considering the circumstances of its deployment. Our government has chosen for it to be deployed as an MBT. We the designers have been looking at the few elements of its design which make it less effective as an MBT but we are still only in the looking phase. Its unlikely we'll get beyond this point because it has achieved all its design goals. The real problem is that it has very few weaknesses and we like to say it has none (that is of course from our point of view as its designers) and that is one problem. It was designed to be the best at everything and thus compromises have to be made. Weight is of course one of its main issues but which our engineering has got a good crack at of course. This of course will not be a matter in its advised roles of tank destroyer or heavy tank. However I've strayed from my point which is simply that you should consider its capability for your forces as an MBT.
(guy#2): Yeah sure.. Whatever.

We can testify that the T-7 is a kickass tank destroyer, pretty well armored, but it can use some improvements, like a missile jammer, active defenses, and millimeter wave radar.

Heres the specs to my tank as designed by Dancing Moose, Ill try and get pics up later

Artic Wolf
Date of first production January 2007 Total acceptances 769
Manufacturer Antarctic Arms AG Crew 4 men:
Commander in hull left rear
Gunner in hull left center
Loader in hull right rear
Driver in hull left front

Artic Wolf: Dimensions
Combat weight 58,000lbs
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28,000kg Height 79.83"
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200.0cm
Length overall 280.0"
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700.0cm Width 170.8"
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333.0cm
Tread 96.46"
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256.0cm Ground clearance 18.7"
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60.0cm
Fire height 75.1"
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160.0cm Ground pressure, zero penetration 19psi
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.86kg/cm²
Artic Wolf: Armament
Type Mount Ammunition Traverse Elevation

(10° left and right;
manual) +15° to -5°
(manual)
MAIN: 88 mm Artic superstructure front 79 rounds Manual
SECONDARY: 7.92mm Loose MG3 machine gun 1800 rounds
Artic Wolf: Armor
Assembly
Welding and bolting
Hull
Location Thickness Angle from vertical
Upper front 4.4"
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6.0cm 50°
Middle front 4.4"
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6.0cm 45°
Lower front 4.0"
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5.0cm 55°
Upper sides 2.2"
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3.0cm 30°
Lower sides 2.2"
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3.0cm 0°
Upper rear .89"
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2.0cm 35°
Middle rear .89"
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2.0cm 11°
Lower rear .89"
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2.0cm 9°
Top .89"
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2.0cm 90°
Floor .50"
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1.0cm 90°
Gun mantlet 4.1"
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Artic Wolf: Automotive
Engine Maybach HL120TRM; 12 cylinder, 60° vee gasoline
Horsepower 300@3000rpm Fuel capacity 124gal
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470L
Transmission ZF SSG 76 Aphon, 6 speeds forward, 1 reverse
Steering Krupp-Wilson clutch-brake, steering levers
Brakes Mechanical, external contracting
Artic Wolf: Suspension
Type Road wheels Track return rollers
Leaf spring 4 bogies/track;
2 dual/bogie 4 dual/track
Drive sprockets Idlers Shock absorbers
19-tooth front drive Dual adjustable at rear of track None
Artic Wolf: Track
Kgs 61/400/120
Center guide, single pin, steel
Width 17.7"
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40.0cm Pitch 5.72"
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15.0cm Shoes/track 99 Ground contact length 168.6"
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452.0cm
Artic Wolf: Performance
Max level road speed 55mph
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40kph Max trench 96.61"
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320.0cm
Max grade 58% Max vertical obstacle 53.6"
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70.0cm
Min turning diameter 39.4'
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5.92m Max fording depth 59.4"
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150.0cm
Cruising range ~180mi, roads
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~310km, roads

WHAT?! PRETTY WELL ARMORED?! COULD USE SOME COUNTER-SYSTEMS AND MILLIMETER RADAR?

Don't joke DT. And I quote:

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

End quote.

As for armor, it isn't classified but its complicated. Its actual thickness is somewhere in the range of 950mm or so in the glacis and turret front. Its actual effectiveness is roughly estimated as up around 1500mm of eRHA. It also has spacers. There are several different types of armor specificly designed to be more effective for their weight like Chobham, ceramics plus tungsten plate, etc. Check out its counter systems. They're pretty sweet.

The Democratic States of Nordea is offering the following units for the competition:

Main Battle Tank: Leopard 2S (the best variant in the Leopard 2 family and one of the best tanks in the world) [more info (http://www.haaland.info/sweden/tank/)]
Light Tank / Tank Destroyer: CV90120 (CV90 IFV equipped with 120mm smoothbore cannon) [more info (http://members.surfeu.fi/stefan.allen/cv90120.html)]

The licenses for those aren't cheap, but well worth the price. Normally they wouldn't be offered for export, but The Free Land of The Zoogie People is the best imaginable customer. :)

FT-6A1 'Beowulf':

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type96_4.JPG

Weight: 68tons
Crew: 3 (driver, gunner, commander).
Engine: FC-178 Hydrogen Turbo
Max Speed: 82kph
Range: 550km
Main gun: 145mm high velocity gun
Co-Axial 1: 25mm Autocannon
Co-axial 2: 12.7mm HMG
External: 20mm grenade launcher, and universal MG mounting.
Ammo: 40main gun rounds, 10 ATGMs and 1000 MG rounds stored in armoured boxes inside at sides of turret with pressure release system to vent ammo detonations away from the tank, 20mm and external MG ammo carried externally (500 20mm and 800MG rounds)
Armour: Titanium Alloy in an Epoxy Resin Honeycomb
External Electrical reactive armour
Survivability: Fully integrated defensive counter measures system including threat detection and active counter laser system, heat signature obscured by cool air mixing in exhaust and advanced engine cooling system (mixture of exhaust water and small amounts of fuel), radar absorbing paint
Systems: Full digital fire control with fully stabilized gun and suspension system, fire direction system for GL and target detection radar, full thermal/IE vision systems for all weather/Joint Tactical Distrubtion System/ coms systems allowing direct transmission and receipt of recon and target data to and from support elements via JTIDS

Cost: $4,500,000

Bringing back the Beowulf? Stick with the M-26, rather than making a replacement thats even worse.

The GT-1 and GT-2 tanks feature in comparison to the FT-6A1 the following advantages-
•A more advanced fire control system, which integrates millimeter wave radar with the previous systems, and is driven by a Geforce-4 made supercomputer (supercomp is the size of a palm pilot, dont worry).
•A better gun :roll:
•12 Yastreb ATGM's, compared to 10 ATGM's
•Gun fired ATGM's (Vorona series, 6km range and 1000mm RHA penetration)
•Coaxial 40mm autocannon for APC killing

:roll: I know I know, I was just bringing it in to say I am back.

I still dont really see what is wrong with the M-26. UM2 will hvae an autocannon and some jazzy new electronics I believe.

I remind you I am premium supplier of SuperComputers in military equipment.

OOC: i really don't see the whole point of bandying about the term "supercomputer" using the exact defination the power mac G3 or G4 was one...

BTW, remember that the Sprut-SM can have ERA or NERA fitted, at the expense of the ability to be airdropped.

[code]
Subject: Tank Contracts
From: Defense Agency
To: Defense Minister
14 January 2004 8:24 pm
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Decision on tank contracts is being evaluated.

Recommendations have been listed here.

Light Tanks:

Dark Terror: Amphibous Tank Sprut-SDM

Advice: Official Recommendation with production

rights.

Kazakhstania: M-15 Light Battle Tank

Advice: Recommended

Main Battle Tanks:

Kazakhstania: M-26

Advice: Official Recommendation with production rights

Dark Terror: GT-2

Advice: Recommended.

Heavy Tank:


Scandavian States: HT-1

Advice: Recommended.

Tank Destroyer:

Kazakhstania: M-22

Advice: Recommended.

Crookfur: T-7 Gilgamesh

Advice: Recommended
[/quote]

In an announcement today, the Defense Minister indicated the following plans:

To negotiate production rights purchases and contract negotiating with Dark Terror in regards to the Sprut-SDM light tank, and GT-2 MBT;

To negotiate contracts with Scandavian states with regards to the HT-1 for Heavy Tank usage;

To negotiate contracts with Crookfur regarding the T-7 Tank Destroyer;

To inquire Kazakhstania in regards to the eventual production rights purchasings of all his products, because they are so damn good.


:P

AVS can set up a factory in your nation to build the HT-1 that will be capable of pumping out 2,000 units per year for 50 million USD. We would request royalties for 5% of the production cost (6 million per unit). You would not be liscenced to sale the HT-1, only build it.

May we ask why you did not consider our CV90120 (http://members.surfeu.fi/stefan.allen/cv90120.html) for your tank destroyer and/or light tank? It is state of the art technology and the price is only 2.8 million EUR each.

Woho :)

Ok.

Prod Rights to M-26: $3 Billion

Prod Rights to M-15: $2 Billion

Prod Rights to M-22: $2.5 Billion

Zoogiedom:

Many thanks for selecting the T-7 Gilgamesh.

We would be obliged if you could make any requests for purchases or production agreements (limited to specified numbers) in the following thread (mainly for tidiness).
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56860

We thank you for your business. Building such a factory usually takes around two years, with eighteen months of actual building and six months where the factory produces two hundred tanks on AVS' checkbook to make sure everything works right. These test production tanks would be available for purchase at half the production price and your government would be able to experiment with them as they see fit.

Thank you. Scandavian States, Crookfur, and Dark Terror, please confirm for final prices. Oh. Crap. I forgot to list how many I wanted of each.

Well, you guys can make offers like Scandavian states ;)


Nordea, the reason we did not consider your offer is not because we did not like your tank, or because the name was too long. Rather, tank destroyers, we believe, are becoming more and more useless. Our contract for tank destroyer also was a heavy battle tank, which we believe to be more effective.

Thank you. Scandavian States, Crookfur, and Dark Terror, please confirm for final prices. Oh. Crap. I forgot to list how many I wanted of each.

Well, you guys can make offers like Scandavian states ;)


Nordea, the reason we did not consider your offer is not because we did not like your tank, or because the name was too long. Rather, tank destroyers, we believe, are becoming more and more useless. Our contract for tank destroyer also was a heavy battle tank, which we believe to be more effective.

Kazakhstania, I will purchase all three :)

That's fifty million for the factory and 60 billion for the tanks.

Well the Gilgamesh goes at $8.5million per unit, for a large order to be delivered over an extended time scale this might be reduced a bit.

Well sell domestic only prod rights to them for both for $1 bil.

Alright, domestic only prod rights to the GT-1 and Sprut-SDM have been given, technical assistance will be sent as necessary.

Aresmat CEO:
Thank you for your decision. We never had doubts that you would make the right choice. Our tank is clearly awesome. Regarding production rights: our policy is slightly different than that of most other companies. You must specify the quantity you are producing and then pay the amount that those tanks are worth. We give you the nessisary information to produce them. You are also not permited to sell those vehicles to other countries (for varying political reasons of course).

Government official:
Damn you Kazakhstan! One of these days!

Aresmat Designer:
The reason one would not choose the CV90 as a tank is that its armor can only hold up against 14.5mm armor with a lot of help from high strength ceramics. Its overly expensive, and poorly armored. Not that it doesn't have its role in combat. Its just that its role is definately not as a tank.

OOC:

I dont use the CV90.

I do use it as an IFV which can take up to 30mm, and as an AIFV which can take 35mm.

The latest one can take out most RL tanks with ease.

My tank isn't all that special in one area, but is an all rounder.

OOC:
Really...? So you don't use the CV90 but you do? That makes no sense at all. Exactly how much armor do you have on your IFVs and AIFV (those are usually interchangable) to stop 30-35mm? I'd be more worried about APFSDS 25mm rounds. So how much armor and how much weight and how big an engine?

500 hp Hydrogen Engine
Titanium Alloy and Epoxy Resin Honeycomb
I dont know armor figures, scared to godmod. There arent many IFV armor figures bouncing about.

As I figured. The problem is that if you use enough armor to stop weapons like 25-35mm cannons you're adding a lot of weight to your IFV. Your IFV requires room for lots of infantry (you need room for anywhere from 6 to 13 men). The more men that are in it the bigger it needs to be. The bigger it is the more weight you're adding each time you make your armor thicker. And the greater the cost. Using high strength ceramics and advanced titanium alloys will greatly increase the cost. I don't want to godmod either so I found out exactly how much armor an IFV would need in order to survive 25-35mm cannons. Trust me its a lot. Its almost greater (in some cases it is greater) than the glacis armor on a Leopard 1 MBT.

can i buy 200 main battle tanks please

Buy the T-7 here if you can afford it:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=