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"Today in esryia, a man, age 31, claimed to have seen a test of a nuclear weapon. he says that a large ball was hoisted to the top of a 450-Foot tall framework, and being detonated just within his sight."

"is this man Seeing things? or has esryia really tested there first domisticly-built nuke?"

...the man should be, like, dead, shouldn't he?

Either that... or Esryia's nuclear weapons engineering is as bad as his spelling.

The blast would of killed the dude, his retnas fried from the explosion, its some-thousand times brighter than the sun after all, hotter too, just like lightning.

The guy would of been incenerated, no question.

"Newly Elected Esryian Info Minister M. S. S. Speaks his word;"

"Esryia has a nuclear program, it is not a lie. the man that witnessed the explosion has been braver tha any of the American Infidels to surrvive."

"and there you have it, the word of MSS."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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He might've witnessed it, but he's DEAD.

"From the goverment of Esryia, we bring you this message;"

The president sat uneasily in an armchair in the national hall, and began his speech.

"As you know from RadarTV's latest report, esryia dos have a nuclear program. however, it is nowhere near done. it is only in the planning stages, and we are still not able to enrich a large enough amount of uranium to go into our new missles. The goverment shall not release any more news abiut esryia's nuclear program until an undisclosed date."

This man should be "relocated" to somewhere he can't make noise.

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He might've witnessed it, but he's DEAD.

(OOC: How so? You can witness an explosion WITHOUT being in the center of it, or then we wouldn't have any pictures nor videos of any kind of exploding nuclear weapons.)

...the man should be, like, dead, shouldn't he?It would depend on how close he was. Best case scenario, if he was to see this from far away (assuming he has no cover, he's a civilian after all), his eyes would explode and he would develop 10 different types of lymphoma in the next 2 years. So he technically could say that he saw something. Of course, he'd never see anything else ever again, but he should count himself lucky.

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He might've witnessed it, but he's DEAD.

(OOC: How so? You can witness an explosion WITHOUT being in the center of it, or then we wouldn't have any pictures nor videos of any kind of exploding nuclear weapons.)

Those pictures and videos were made with special cameras taken at a safe distance or from hardened bunkers.

Hmm, seems I'm being ignored, I believe I shall finish my opinion on this topic.

If one would witness a Nuclear Explosion from a Thermal Nuclear Bomb detonating from a certian distance from the ground, he would be required to wear saftey equip such as special goggles and be required to be in a bunker some miles away.

However, if that person is standing below or near the Nuclear Atomic Bomb right when it detonates, the crushing emplosion of atoms against each other followed by the combustion and explosion of the uranium would instantly desintergrate the man in question. The intense heat of the blast alone would fry the person so bad, and so quickly, nothing would be left, depending on how far away he is of course.

If the man is some odd miles away he would get hit by the massave blast wave, then, seconds later, the intense heat wave followed by the massive suction of air from the blast radious to the center of the explosion, where the bomb detonated. This alone, meaning the air suction, would draw all the air from the person lungs and sufficate him, if not he already dead by being blown away by the blast wave.

When a Nuclear Atomic Bomb explodes, even 400 odd feet from the ground, the explosion itself would be 1,000 times brighter than the sun, the heat generated from atoms splitting and whatnot would also be somewhat hotter than the sun. The blast radious no matter where detonated is always 50 to 80 miles, if not 100 by a Hydrogen Bomb.

Anywho, I have stated all I know pertaining to the subject of an Atomic Fission Bomb exploding and how it explodes and what it does when it explodes. Physical Science can be a cool class to be in, as you learn about this stuff in there. :)

Well, I have stated my statement, thank you for your time.

Those pictures and videos were made with special cameras taken at a safe distance or from hardened bunkers.

Yeah they were very far away. Very!

However. When they tested the AIR-2 Genie at something like 36,000 feet or was it in the 20s. Someone correct me on that please. They had men in a trench on the ground under the blast and no harm came to them.

When they did numerous nuclear tests, especially battlefield artillery nukes, soldiers were in trenches with protective eyewear and it turned out fine.

The only thing is the eyewear. Now if you were in a car with sunglasses on, not only will the glass shield you from the radiation (thus why you can't get a sunburn inside a car through glass) but your eyes will be mildly protected enough for you to look away from the flash.

Those pictures and videos were made with special cameras taken at a safe distance or from hardened bunkers.

(OOC: EXACTLY, which was exactly what I meant with it. So, WHY the man could not have been at a safe distance? Everyone seems to assume that if he witnessed the explosion, he had to be right where it happened. Of course, it could even be quite possible that the man was in fact one of the people who was doing the project in the first place... There are many reasons why he could've survived.)

I placed the possibility he was in abunker avaliable, I try to see all possibilities.

You can't get a sunburn inside a car through glass? That's funny... because I've seen friends' arms get sunburned for leaving them near the driver's side window too long on a sunny day. My girlfriend drives a bus for her university and has a permanent tan on her left arm.

The B-52 has/had special curtains that the pilot and copilot would pull over their windshields on nuclear bomb runs... why? Because they had to fly by instruments alone after dropping the bomb because the flash would have blinded them, even through the thick windshields.

Those pictures and videos were made with special cameras taken at a safe distance or from hardened bunkers.

(OOC: EXACTLY, which was exactly what I meant with it. So, WHY the man could not have been at a safe distance? Everyone seems to assume that if he witnessed the explosion, he had to be right where it happened. Of course, it could even be quite possible that the man was in fact one of the people who was doing the project in the first place... There are many reasons why he could've survived.)

It could have been a small nuke you realize that. The nuclear cloud from the Los Alamos test in July 1945 was seen as far away as Texas and would have easily been visible by space.

You can't get a sunburn inside a car through glass? That's funny... because I've seen friends' arms get sunburned for leaving them near the driver's side window too long on a sunny day. My girlfriend drives a bus for her university and has a permanent tan on her left arm.

Was the window open?

Those pictures and videos were made with special cameras taken at a safe distance or from hardened bunkers.

(OOC: EXACTLY, which was exactly what I meant with it. So, WHY the man could not have been at a safe distance? Everyone seems to assume that if he witnessed the explosion, he had to be right where it happened. Of course, it could even be quite possible that the man was in fact one of the people who was doing the project in the first place... There are many reasons why he could've survived.)

If the man was at a safe distance away from the radiation... overpressure... air suction effects... etc... he still would have had to had ample eye protection against the flash. Esryia has given far too little information about how this man "saw" the test, thus our incredulity. Personally, I think Esryia is just trying to garner attention in the belief that nuclear power makes him one of the big boys now.

You can't get a sunburn inside a car through glass? That's funny... because I've seen friends' arms get sunburned for leaving them near the driver's side window too long on a sunny day. My girlfriend drives a bus for her university and has a permanent tan on her left arm.

Was the window open?

No.

He explains how Anti-Matter works THEN I'll believe him, cause once we create an Anti-Matter bomb we create a Planet Killer.

You can't get a sunburn inside a car through glass? That's funny... because I've seen friends' arms get sunburned for leaving them near the driver's side window too long on a sunny day. My girlfriend drives a bus for her university and has a permanent tan on her left arm.

Was the window open?

No.

Can't say that I can believe you on this one. I have Irish skin and thus burn VERY easily and spent countless hours in cars with the sun beaming right through the glass and never once got 1/100th of a sunburn. Plus it was a topic of discussion in my HS phsyics class as well.

Can't say that I can believe you on this one. I have Irish skin and thus burn VERY easily and spent countless hours in cars with the sun beaming right through the glass and never once got 1/100th of a sunburn. Plus it was a topic of discussion in my HS phsyics class as well.

You can believe whatever you want... it doesn't change the fact that a car windshield is not going to protect you from either the prompt radiation or the flash of a nuclear bomb. Nor does it change the fact that my girlfriend's left arm is almost perenially tanned nor that I've seen friends get sunburned slightly on their driving arms.

Can't say that I can believe you on this one. I have Irish skin and thus burn VERY easily and spent countless hours in cars with the sun beaming right through the glass and never once got 1/100th of a sunburn. Plus it was a topic of discussion in my HS phsyics class as well.

You can believe whatever you want... it doesn't change the fact that a car windshield is not going to protect you from either the prompt radiation or the flash of a nuclear bomb. Nor does it change the fact that my girlfriend's left arm is almost perenially tanned nor that I've seen friends get sunburned slightly on their driving arms.

Do you know that paper can stop some forms of radiation?

Do you know that paper can stop some forms of radiation?

Considering that I've taken calculus-based physics and have a degree in engineering... yes.

If you want to hide behind a car windshield when a nuke goes off, though... be my guest.

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/keepingfit/ARTICLE/Cars.htm
University of Florida dude

Now when it says that about side and rear yeah sure but if you were facing the blast at a safe distance the radiation isn't going to come through and they have been putting much safer measures in glass now on all areas that allow it to prevent from shattering.

http://www.crscientific.com/radiation.html

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/keepingfit/ARTICLE/Cars.htm
University of Florida dude

Now when it says that about side and rear yeah sure but if you were facing the blast at a safe distance the radiation isn't going to come through and they have been putting much safer measures in glass now on all areas that allow it to prevent from shattering.


*facepalms* The only radiation that link talks about is UV radiation... and the most dangerous form gets through side and rear windows. Hmmm... I wonder where my girlfriend got that tan on her driving arm from?

It's not going to protect you from the sort of prompt radiation (which is more than just UV radiation) or the intense light flash from a nuclear weapon.

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/keepingfit/ARTICLE/Cars.htm
University of Florida dude

Now when it says that about side and rear yeah sure but if you were facing the blast at a safe distance the radiation isn't going to come through and they have been putting much safer measures in glass now on all areas that allow it to prevent from shattering.


*facepalms* The only radiation that link talks about is UV radiation... and the most dangerous form gets through side and rear windows. Hmmm... I wonder where my girlfriend got that tan on her driving arm from?

It's not going to protect you from the sort of prompt radiation (which is more than just UV radiation) or the intense light flash from a nuclear weapon.

There was a scientist who also worked on the Manhattan Project and while they did the test he was sitting inside his truck, I think it was a pickup, with his protective eyewear on to shield himself from the radiation. It's documented and if I could remember his DAMN name I could get an article but I can't. So I'm going with that dude.

And I still never got any sunburn on my arm while driving, being in the passenger seat, whatever with the window up and the sun beaming right in.

How far out was he? If he was far enough outside the lethal radiation zone, then all he would need is eye protection.

How far out was he? If he was far enough outside the lethal radiation zone, then all he would need is eye protection.

I don't remember how far out the command center was for the test but several of them were outside the building, several inside, and one in a car outside.

And the lethal radiation zone isn't exactly confined. Wind shifts the wrong way and it'll be in your backyard half a world away as was seen with Chernobyl.

Which is why I'm not going to trust car windshield glass to keep me safe. I'd rather not take my chances. Prompt radiation... flash... fallout... etc... Yeah, not smart.

One must also wonder... what did that scientist in his truck eventually die of? :)

Which is why I'm not going to trust car windshield glass to keep me safe. I'd rather not take my chances. Prompt radiation... flash... fallout... etc... Yeah, not smart.

I'd rather be a million miles away myself from this damn things but it is possible for a person to be driving in a car with sunglasses on to witness a nuclear explosion and be unharmed except for a BAD headache from that flash. Sunglasses won't block out the blinding flash at all and you'll immediately duck out of the way as reaction but it'll be enough to limit the effects somewhat where he probably won't be blind. Hell you'd need a welders helmet to stare at a nuclear flash.

B-29 Enola Gay pilot took off his protective eyewear as they were turning off the target because he couldn't see the instrument panels.

Time for bed now.

Do you know that paper can stop some forms of radiation?*imagines a 50's-style public service video*
What's that Johnny? A nuclear bomb went off? Well, you know what to do!

*catchy song beings*
Cover yourself in Post-It notes! Cover yourself in Post-It notes! Na-na-na-na-na, hmm hmm yeah! Post-It!
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[quote="Esryia"]" he says that a large ball was hoisted to the top of a 450-Foot tall framework, [\quote]

if he was close enoguh to see the warhead being loaded and hoisted into the air....and determine that the framework was 450 feet tall.....he was close enough to die

*tsk tsk* It is very possible to survive the viewing of a nuclear bomb testing. In the 1940's when the nuclear bomb was being developed in Los Alamos (or Alamagordo) New Mexico, testings were frequently viewed by scientists and other military personnel on the base. As long as you are a safe distance away and have protective eye gear you can survive such an event.

Im pretty sure thats been generaly agreed on already.....

[quote=Esryia]" he says that a large ball was hoisted to the top of a 450-Foot tall framework, [\quote]

if he was close enoguh to see the warhead being loaded and hoisted into the air....and determine that the framework was 450 feet tall.....he was close enough to die

If it was a 1 kT weapon then no he could have been far enough away to be safe and yet close enough to see it being hoisted. If he were on top of a mountain he could have increased vision and be further enough away but that would go against the driving theory I was talking about. If it were a larger weapon then no if he could see it he'd be eradicated.

But figure this. The ball was hoisted right. Then the people in the area had to vacate and get far enough away themselves. He could have done the say and then see the explosion from that direction. Like I said the Los Alamos test was seen in Texas.

[quote=Esryia]" he says that a large ball was hoisted to the top of a 450-Foot tall framework, [\quote]

if he was close enoguh to see the warhead being loaded and hoisted into the air....and determine that the framework was 450 feet tall.....he was close enough to die

If it was a 1 kT weapon then no he could have been far enough away to be safe and yet close enough to see it being hoisted. If he were on top of a mountain he could have increased vision and be further enough away but that would go against the driving theory I was talking about. If it were a larger weapon then no if he could see it he'd be eradicated.

But figure this. The ball was hoisted right. Then the people in the area had to vacate and get far enough away themselves. He could have done the say and then see the explosion from that direction. Like I said the Los Alamos test was seen in Texas.

Thats true, though i still think this was a horrible way to portrey a nuclear test, since the weapons power was never released, either of us could be right, but it seems like you're MORE correct ebcuase, appearnetly, the man is still alive

1 kT isn't a whole lot I mean it's enough to cause death and destruction for a while but it is a nuclear test so it would be a way to start out with a nuclear blast. The Trinty test was 20 - 22 kT.

Still 1 kT is equal to1 1,000 tons or 2,000,000-lb. of TNT, which is a lot of explosive power. The AIR-2 Genie nuclear rockets were only 0.5kT, big enough to create a fireball 1/2 mile wide.