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The Government of the Nation of Elizabethshire, after much deliberation has decided to host a Confrence on Disarmament of Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons. All nations are invited to attend. The Confrence is being held in the Capitol of Elizabethshire, Elizabeth's Town. Heavy Security by Units of the Army, Municpal Police, Civil Guard (Assault Police), Federal Security Service (Intelligence Branch).

<The Emperor Elect of Anthonycha, Chang Buck Yunn attends flanked by all sides by 8 members of his Elite Republican Guard>

"You have a very nice capitol here. I hope this conference goes well. We are interested in what you and others have to say on the matter".

As a nation heavily against such destructive weaponry, we would be glad to send a representative to these talks, if you would accept.

The world doesn't want NBC disarmament. Dats why ur thread only has 4 posts.

As a strong opponent of such weapons I would gladly join a conference about it.

Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons are a complete disgrace to humanity. Never before has warfare had such a heavy and long-lasting impact on civilian lives. Full-scale conventional warfare should not even be used too often; never mind nuclear, biological, or chemical warfare.

We will be sending a representative.

It is the opinion of the Elizabethshire Government that this confrence establish the framework for the following

The Eventual Phasing out of all Biological and Chemical Weapons.

Criminalizing those states that do use such genoicidal weapons and bringing them to justice.

Reducing Nuclear Weapons to a level consistent with National Security.

That is the position of the Government of Elizabethshire

The government of Hudecia agrees to the framework described by Elizabethshire. Nuclear weapons, however aweful, are necessary for defence of many nations, especially smaller ones.

We agree that the phasing out of nuclear weapons may be for many nations, not a practical goal. To some extent, nuclear weapons are a deterrent. Therefore, I am in full agreement with your framework.

However, personally, The Zoogie People will never have nuclear weapons of any kind unless absolutely necessary. We prefer a solid missile defense system. How would you go about criminalizing a warmongering 1.5 population state, though?

The Government of Elizabethshire goes one better, As a Part of this treaty, A Commission will be established creating a Committee to watch for use of Biological and Chemical weapons and will have charges brought up, even if they must be tried in Absentia.

Thoughts?

Although the nation of Sagatia is avowedly opposed to the concept of the UN involving itself in the affairs of sovereign states, is this not a concept that should go before the UN as a resolution?


Cordially,
M. Orphem

(Undersecretary, Office of Foreign Affairs, Sagatious Diplomatic Corps)

The leader of Gurning believes that the sensible ownership of nuclear and chemical weapons is not a problem. While we personally are against biological weapons, we can understand why other nations would use them. The leader feels that this conference will be a waste of time.

Although the nation of Sagatia is avowedly opposed to the concept of the UN involving itself in the affairs of sovereign states, is this not a concept that should go before the UN as a resolution?


Cordially,
M. Orphem

(Undersecretary, Office of Foreign Affairs, Sagatious Diplomatic Corps)

OOC No, not really, because that would do nothing to solve this problem, even if it passed. To put it simply, very few nations listen to what the UN proposals mean to them, and they would make no plans to disarm. This kind of action is far better than a proposal of that kind.

The Foriegn Minister of the Dominion of Elizabethshire stood up

"My fellow delgates, We live in a Corrupt, warmongering World. We must accept that. However we can attempt to do something about the worst of abuses.

Thus I present the Elizabeth's Town Treaty for discussion.

"Elizabeth's Town Treaty"

Whereas All Nations aparty to the pact acknowledge the evil nature of Chemical and Biological weapons

Whereas, they cause nothing but terror, pain and suffering that is appalling to all civilized nations.

The Signers of the Elizabeth's Town Treaty declare the following

Their intentions to remove Chemical and Biological weapons by economical means and by diplomacy

Their intention to research new medical prevention vaccines to prevent the worst of the suffering.

Their intention to remove from their Armories and Arensals all Chemical and Biological weapons.

Their intention, to aide and if neccessary aid with military measures, signers of the treaty who are attacked by these evil and horrendous weapons.

And the signers of this treaty declare their commitment to bring those who dare to use these evil weapons to world justice.

Chairman Hans von Marienholst
The Military Ruled Dominon of Elizabethshire

President William Ciel
The Free Land of the Zoogie People

If you wanted to sound really annoying and formal, include a preamble, articles, etc...:P but I agree with what the treaty means.

Elizabethshire should go for just biological weapons, since they are a threat to all of humanity rather than nuclear and chemical whose effects are on the whole limited to the target area.

OOC

IF you do agree to this treaty put your ruler's name and and formal country name on the acceptence post.

Signed,
President William Ciel

(Sorry, I suck at coming up with names :P)

Their intention to remove from their Armories and Arensals all Chemical and Biological weapons.

Their intention, to aide and if neccessary aid with military measures, signers of the treaty who are attacked by these evil and horrendous weapons.

And the signers of this treaty declare their commitment to bring those who dare to use these evil weapons to world justice.

Chairman Hans von Marienholst
The Military Ruled Dominon of Elizabethshire


How will the undersigning nations combat a nation that has chemical/biological weapons without recourse to those very same technologies *themselves*?


Cordially,
M. Orphem

(Undersecretary, Office of Foreign Affairs, Sagatious Diplomatic Corps)

Their intention to remove from their Armories and Arensals all Chemical and Biological weapons.

Their intention, to aide and if neccessary aid with military measures, signers of the treaty who are attacked by these evil and horrendous weapons.

And the signers of this treaty declare their commitment to bring those who dare to use these evil weapons to world justice.

Chairman Hans von Marienholst
The Military Ruled Dominon of Elizabethshire


How will the undersigning nations combat a nation that has chemical/biological weapons without recourse to those very same technologies *themselves*?


Cordially,
M. Orphem

(Undersecretary, Office of Foreign Affairs, Sagatious Diplomatic Corps)

Since we do not have Chemical or Biological weapons, we must consider all WMDs to be the same and retailiate with Nuclear weapons, however Its doubtful that anyone but a truely insane (ooc: newb) nation would resort to that. Besides, we could combat them with Special Forces or Bombs in special places (aka government seats)

The Foriegn Minister of the Dominion of Elizabethshire stood up

"My fellow delgates, We live in a Corrupt, warmongering World. We must accept that. However we can attempt to do something about the worst of abuses.

Thus I present the Elizabeth's Town Treaty for discussion.

"Elizabeth's Town Treaty"

Whereas All Nations aparty to the pact acknowledge the evil nature of Chemical and Biological weapons

Whereas, they cause nothing but terror, pain and suffering that is appalling to all civilized nations.

The Signers of the Elizabeth's Town Treaty declare the following

Their intentions to remove Chemical and Biological weapons by economical means and by diplomacy

Their intention to research new medical prevention vaccines to prevent the worst of the suffering.

Their intention to remove from their Armories and Arensals all Chemical and Biological weapons.

Their intention, to aide and if neccessary aid with military measures, signers of the treaty who are attacked by these evil and horrendous weapons.

And the signers of this treaty declare their commitment to bring those who dare to use these evil weapons to world justice.

Chairman Hans von Marienholst
The Military Ruled Dominon of Elizabethshire


The nattily attired Minister of Relations with the Other Side, who had arrived in some haste from the Pangeo Mitigations Office of the Borderlands of Twisynchorum, cleared its throat (or was that a belch -- there were crumbs all over its vest) and declaimed in stentorian tones:

"This wording of the treaty, dear Honorable presiding voice of Elizabethshire, is quite catchy. Still, your previously mentioned idea of capping the amount of nuclear weapons, or of reducing them gradually to a mutually acceptable level around the globe: this idea seems to have dropped clear out of sight! Will you offer a suitable rider or amendment to the proposed treaty in its current stage, so that the nuke question can be included in the manner that you had originally suggested? The Borderlands of Twisynchorum respectfully thanks this forum for its tolerance in this, and all regards."

The Minister of ROS began to sit, then lost its balance, and thumped into its recliner rather undecorously, as the feet of the settee screeched upon the highly polished floor of the forum.

Since we do not have Chemical or Biological weapons, we must consider all WMDs to be the same and retailiate with Nuclear weapons, however Its doubtful that anyone but a truely insane (ooc: newb) nation would resort to that. Besides, we could combat them with Special Forces or Bombs in special places (aka government seats)


Although unndoubtedly laudable in concept this motion is, at this time the Sagatious nation is not convinced that such a treaty would not result in a vigilantist mindset amongst the undersigners, resulting in their encroaching upon the affairs and interests of nations whose only 'crime' would be the possession of perfectly acceptable technologies, rather than the means or motive to use such technologies against other nations and, consequently does not feel that it would currently be appropriate to become a signitary at this juncture

We shall watch developments with interest, however, and may be inclined to undersign the treaty at some time in the future when we have seen that this concern is unfounded

We wish you well in your enndeavours


Cordially,

M. Orphem

(Undersecretary, Office of Foreign Affairs, Sagatious Diplomatic Corps)

I believe we should bring the offending nations to trial in an international court; i.e, new thread for all to see. Might gain more support. If they use them, we can launch air strikes against their chemical/bio facilities and only their chemical/biological faciliites. About the nuclear weapons being dropped out of site...I have no idea.

Greetings from Xeraph!

We agree with the nation of Gurning that WMD are a sovreign state's business, nobody else. We of Xeraph do not presently have WMD, but are part of an alliance wherein a few nations do. All WMD are for defense only, and therefore not subject to the whims of foreign legislation.

We of Xeraph also have a sneaking suspicion that these nations who are screaming "disarmament" are simply bored and looking for a fight. Notice that the nations instigating this "conference" are large and powerful....nations who have hundreds of billions of USD worth of armament and who can enforce any "democratic vote". Political correctness, nothing more.



There have been very few good wars lately, and even fewer good
reasons to start one. Forcing legal national entities to bend to the wishes of a few "sour pusses", however, is a real good reason.

Please don't force the hand of those with WMD.........there are a lot of them, and no one can fight them all.


Respectfully,

Alaric, King of Xeraph, Ambassador to the Alliance Regioni Militaria
Envoy to the New Nations Alliance
Envoy to the Alliance Rebelandi

Cayo has already abandoned her Chemical and Biological weapons program. Our nuclear stock is smaller than that of many nations and will be retained for defence.

Due to current domestic issues Cayo will not send a representative to this conference.

THe Empire of Eizen supports and promotes the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction throughout nationstates.

What is your little "court" going to do about this?

The way I see it, the optimistic ideas espoused in this thread are destined to fail.

Greetings from Xeraph!

We agree with the nation of Gurning that WMD are a sovreign state's business, nobody else. We of Xeraph do not presently have WMD, but are part of an alliance wherein a few nations do. All WMD are for defense only, and therefore not subject to the whims of foreign legislation.

We of Xeraph also have a sneaking suspicion that these nations who are screaming "disarmament" are simply bored and looking for a fight. Notice that the nations instigating this "conference" are large and powerful....nations who have hundreds of billions of USD worth of armament and who can enforce any "democratic vote". Political correctness, nothing more.



There have been very few good wars lately, and even fewer good
reasons to start one. Forcing legal national entities to bend to the wishes of a few "sour pusses", however, is a real good reason.

Please don't force the hand of those with WMD.........there are a lot of them, and no one can fight them all.


Respectfully,

Alaric, King of Xeraph, Ambassador to the Alliance Regioni Militaria
Envoy to the New Nations Alliance
Envoy to the Alliance Rebelandi

What sort of defense would this be? If someone were to launch an ICBM at you, how exactly would you use a WMB for defense? If someone launched an invasion in your land, how would you use them for defense?

While the Trinisian government currently has no biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons programs, we are interested in the phasing out of barbaric chemical and biological weapons, so we are sending a delegate to Elizabeth's Town. We are a small nation, and we wish to live long enough to see us grow.

Minister of Foreign Affairs Gregory Olp

Greetings from Xeraph!

If an ICBM, presumably nuclear, were launched toward one of our nations, the simple detonation/destruction of it by our Strategic Defense Systems would constitute a WMD incident. If several were launched, our WMD Early Detect/Destroy System would counter-attack with Tactical Nukes.

If someone were foolish enough to invade, we would not hesitate to use tactical and/or battalion size nukes. You don't need a hammer to kill a flea............

Respectfully,


Alaric, King of Xeraph

Greetings from Xeraph!

If an ICBM, presumably nuclear, were launched toward one of our nations, the simple detonation/destruction of it by our Strategic Defense Systems would constitute a WMD incident. If several were launched, our WMD Early Detect/Destroy System would counter-attack with Tactical Nukes.

If someone were foolish enough to invade, we would not hesitate to use tactical and/or battalion size nukes. You don't need a hammer to kill a flea............

Respectfully,


Alaric, King of Xeraph

I'm sure your defenses are worthy, but for being a new nation, are they really able to stand up to 1,000 nuclear devices plus dirty nukes and Chem weapons?

Greetings from Xeraph!

We truly hope that we never have to find out.

Respectfully,


Alaric, King of Xeraph

It is the opinion of the Elizabethshire Government that this confrence establish the framework for the following

The Eventual Phasing out of all Biological and Chemical Weapons.

Criminalizing those states that do use such genoicidal weapons and bringing them to justice.

Reducing Nuclear Weapons to a level consistent with National Security.

That is the position of the Government of Elizabethshire

With all due respect, this has got to be one of the more ridiculous things I've seen in here recently. First off, you have no right to decide for every nation what is right and what is wrong. You do not rule the world. Second, this would be impossible to enforce, as you'd need weapons inspectors in every nation to assure that they don't have such weapons. Your idea is honorable in concept, but foolish in practice.

Furthermore, The Dark Legions of Skullzz will not abandon such weapons. We will not let other nations take the upper hand against us when they have them, and we do not.

http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload1/Skullzz23.jpg

The United Socialist States of Rojo Cubana will send a delegation, but wishes to keep at most five nuclear warheads in its arsenal strictly for defense.

Respectfully,

Francisco Mendoza
Minister of Defense
U.S.S.R.C.

Though the ideals of such a treaty is commendable, the majority of the international community will most likely ignore it or in the worst case scenario, annihilate the treaty's supporters. The United Communist States of Zvarinograd, does not and will not have any weapons of mass destruction due to it's military doctrines revolving upon dedication to airpower. However, basing upon our knowledge of the international community, it would be wise to leave the handling of such weapons to the governments of such nations who have them as they are extremely powerful (in terms of military prowess) and some of which will not hesitate to use that power against any of us.

Premier Alexey Zvarinsky
United Communist States of Zvarinograd

Two more problems with your plan:

1. The old NRA chestnut "If you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns." The same holds true in your plan. If you make these weapons illegal, the only nations that will have them are nations who are ready and willing to defy the international community. We will be defenseless against such nations.

2. What's to stop your committee from corruption? What will keep you and the other supporting nations from using their influence as an advantage in making their own illegal weapons and then using them for their own agendas?

Two more problems with your plan:

1. The old NRA chestnut "If you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns." The same holds true in your plan. If you make these weapons illegal, the only nations that will have them are nations who are ready and willing to defy the international community. We will be defenseless against such nations.

2. What's to stop your committee from corruption? What will keep you and the other supporting nations from using their influence as an advantage in making their own illegal weapons and then using them for their own agendas?

You forget to add that this proposal would also seek to impose their standards on other nations. This "international court" would attempt to gain jurisdiction over nations that are not a part of this treaty. Last time I checked the united nations already did this anyway.

The Empire of Eizen will treat signatories of this particular in the same manner we do UN Nations. With Heavy Economic embargoes, Travel restrictions, and mandatory executions for infiltrators discovered in our territory.

You forget to add that this proposal would also seek to impose their standards on other nations. This "international court" would attempt to gain jurisdiction over nations that are not a part of this treaty. Last time I checked the united nations already did this anyway.

The Empire of Eizen will treat signatories of this particular in the same manner we do UN Nations. With Heavy Economic embargoes, Travel restrictions, and mandatory executions for infiltrators discovered in our territory.

I did have something in my first post in here about that.

"First off, you have no right to decide for every nation what is right and what is wrong. You do not rule the world."

Ah, was just looking in the previous post. Gotcha.

Even though Midlonia has no bio-chem weapons as of yet, we shall still sign this treaty

Prime minister
Habbak Shariff

His Royal Highness
King Hykar I

The Kabal Of Commorargh promotes anything that causes pain and suffering. So we shall not sign this treaty.

Urien Rakarth
Master Haemonculus

Aye, pain and suffering is all the fun unless it happens to you. :wink: