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New Aircraft (pl) slated for production - comments wanted

The Zoogie People
31-12-2003, 23:28
(Changed the title to be more reflective of subject matter)

The Zoogie People and its colony (The Zoogies) are starting development of domestic jets. Plans are already in the works and we don't want this to be an international joint program; funding would be appreciated. Several major domestic contracts will be going out to domestic companies in the next couple of decades (at most). All of the planes in plan are going to be as low-RCS as possible, if not stealth. Plans include:

Air superiority
Multirole
Attack
Stealth bomber
Reconaissance
Various naval versions

OOC-wise, I'm a bit sketchy on some details, especially stealth percentage relative to the F-22 (I believe the stealthiest aircraft around). The first contract is going to be an advanced, low-RCS attack aircraft with reasonable air-to-air capabilities. Any funding is appreciated.


For the purposes of a healthy multirole force of aircraft...this mulitrole attacker....
ZF-26A/B

Type: Advanced Low-RCS Multirole Attack Fighter

http://www.cafeduweb.com/images/rafale.jpg

Class: Air Force (ZF-26B naval version)
Mode: Multirole but leaning on attack more; influenced by Eurofighter, F-16XL, Su-37
Manufactured by: Zoogie Aerospace
Engines: Two with combined 56,000-lb thrust
Performance: Max speed Mach 2.3; cruise speed Mach 1.22; automated thrust vectoring +/- 40˚; service ceiling 65,000ft
Persona: One
Hardpoints: Internal Cannon, centerline hardpoint for fuel tank or bomb, fuselage hardpoints for four AAMs/ASMs/laser-guided bombs are as many as 8 500-lb bombs or cluster bombs, four wing hardpoints for AAMs or ASMs, two wingtip hardpoints for IR-AAMs
RCS-factor: 80% relative to F-22
Guidance: What can I say, radar, HARM and IR. No specs cos I don't know any. Oh, and a jamming system, of course.
Domestic cost: $31million per; $37m naval version
Export pricing: $33million per; $38m naval version
Export profit return: 21%/16%
Production rights: How much do aircraft production rights sell for, anyways? Tanks I heard can go around 5 billion...so...
Domestic contracts: Starting next week, a five-year contract for 750 ZF-26As and 400 ZF-26Bs. Worth a total of $36.4 billion (cut off the .05 because of overly mass production) or 7.28 billion yearly for five years.

...and this multirole fighter. More versions of this are expected.

ZF-24A/C

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/photogallery/parisairshow/photos/photo05.jpg

Type: Advanced Low-RCS Multirole Fighter
Class: Air Force (ZF-24C Navy)
Mode: Influenced by F-18E/F, Eurofighter-2000, Su-37
Manufactured by: Star Systems
Engines: Two with combined 61,000-lb thrust
Performance: Max speed Mach 2.4; cruise speed Mach 1.42; automated thrust vectoring +/- 40˚; service ceiling 65,000ft
Persona: One
Hardpoints: Internal cannon, fuselage hardpoints (four AAMs, ASMs, or bombs), 4 wing hardpoints, 2 wingtip hardpoints, center hardpoint for fuel tank or single bomb, ASM, HARM seeker.
Domestic Sell Price: $35million/$37m naval version
Export Sell Price: $41million/$43m naval version
RCS Factor: 83% Stealth; 98% if completely unloaded


ZF-24B

Type: Advanced stealthy/low-RCS reconnaissance and/or combat-incapable trainer
Class: Air Force (Naval version in consideration)
Mode: Influenced by F-18E/F, Eurofighter-2000, Su-37
Manufactured by: Star Systems
Technology level: +5 years
Engines: Two with combined 62,000-lb thrust
Performance: Max speed Mach 2.8; cruise speed Mach 1.7; automated thrust vectoring +/- 45˚; service ceiling 65,000ft
Persona: Two
Hardpoints: Internal cannon, fuselage hardpoints for four AAMs (other weapons not recommended), wingtip hardpoints; various internal cameras
Domestic Sell Price: $36million
Export Sell Price: $42million
RCS factor: Near full stealth
Contracts: Starting next year, 10 year contract for 700 A version, 300 C-version, and 240 B-Version. Grand total of $43.8 billion (cut some off due to mass production), or $8.76 billion a year.



I would appreciate any comments and suggestions on how to fix my statistics so they're realistic, etc...and suggestions on the pricing of such a plane as well as what the production rights would be worth.
Virgin Atlantic
31-12-2003, 23:37
OOC: It's good.
The Zoogie People
31-12-2003, 23:39
How much would it cost?

OOC: Thanks, I am currently thinking $28 million for domestic selling and those with production rights, and $34 million for exports (because, of course, they're exported and made on demand)...is this too low?
01-01-2004, 00:23
Comments are appreciated....as well as suggestions...come on, people, you're usually so good at flaming...

nice. :D but for price, pick my Cheap US Jets :D cheap cheap cheap!!!
The Zoogie People
01-01-2004, 00:30
Thanks for the comments Esryia and Barentsburg...no flames yet :) not that I'm asking for them...

A flying jammer is a great idea :lol: Something to replace EF-111s and EA-6Bs...(none of which I have, so good for me)
Aztec National League
01-01-2004, 00:33
It looks pretty good. I hope you have as much luck with your plane as I have had with my redesigned MiGs.
The Zoogie People
01-01-2004, 00:35
It looks pretty good. I hope you have as much luck with your plane as I have had with my redesigned MiGs.

Thanks. Nice MiGs by the way. :)
_Taiwan
01-01-2004, 00:36
At $34m you would have to build over a thousand of them. It would be worth it though.
The Zoogie People
01-01-2004, 00:39
A thousand!? :shock: Wasn't expecting that many...oh well, between raising prices and extending contract, I'll go with extending contract. I guess that would kill the EFM version, unless I take some and update them...thanks Taiwan for notifying me, I'd have probably underpriced everything :)
Doujin
01-01-2004, 01:06
It's a piece of sh*t. Crapola. I wouldn't even use that 10 years ago. It's JUNK! You call that poor excuse for a airplane a fighter jet? Sorry, not buying it.

:P

Looks good.
Virgin Atlantic
01-01-2004, 01:23
Virgin Aerospace, a division of Virgin Group in _Taiwan, would like to invest funds into this project.
Virgin Atlantic
01-01-2004, 01:24
Virgin Aerospace, a division of Virgin Group in _Taiwan, would like to invest funds into this project.
Kazakhstania
01-01-2004, 17:56
Awwww.

So youve given up on my planes?

Lets have a little competition when you finish these, I am sure mine will win :wink:

Nah, good on you. Keep it up and you might rival some of us major players.